I own my property, house garage, etc....How am I able to get a title to avoid property taxes?

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You may check with your state, most I believe will let you pay your life time taxes in one lump sum. You have to have a state appraiser to calculate the amount, the average it I think. Something, I read years ago. If you leave it to someone they have to do the same so they do not have a problem.
Now if you had a land grant deed you renew your land grant, your not suppose to have to pay taxes on land grant deeded property, they could have changed the laws but that is the way it used to be.

Good to know thank you

The Pope and the Queen won't allow you to own their land. You can only rent it.

Anytime, here is a good link that also discusses the legal ramifications and requirements of foreign trust.

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Mods if the above link violates any rules please feel free to delete the post and let me know so that I don't do it again.

you never OWN anything-you LEASE it from the Government.

Just try not paying taxes and you'll see

Anubis thanks for the info, I've got another question about trust law and civil court infractions. I'll send you through PM but we could also have the discussion here as well.

Please discuss here. I'm learning a lot here from you guys.

Well since the home next door is my mothers in law, we never plan on selling either property. Since I'm only 43 I don't believe I'd be interested in paying 20 some years of taxes at once....

Yes sure I'll sum up as simply as possible. It generally relates to trust law as applied to citizens' legal names(fictitious corporate names) and how those names need to be managed in a court of law(civil or criminal)

Dean Clifford covers this stuff in detail but I'm looking for feedback from Anubis72 or another person with knowledge of trust law.

As I understand it, 2 trusts are created when a child is born. The first trust is through the Cert of Live Birth in which the state is Trustee of our Live Birth Record, parents are beneficiaries until the child turns 18(in which case the child becomes beneficiary).

The 2nd trust is through the Birth Certificate. This is another trust created by the state but it's reversed. So we are the trustees of that document and the state is the beneficiary of the fictitious personhood created by the trust.

This Trust is the name they ask for in court. It's said that you never align yourself directly with the name because then you become trustee(and thus hold ALL liability. Trustees hold liability for a trust).

So from what I know in court you must clarify that you are the beneficiary and the Judge is the Trustee. This dictates jurisdiction and clarifies that the name in question is not me, but a trust in my name.

So for example, a ticket of any kind would be levied against the trust itself. But if you unknowingly take on that name then it's levied against you.

The goal would be to distance yourself from the fictitious person & claim your beneficiary status. If the judge acts as Trustee, then the judge holds liability & must behave in a manner that's in the beneficiary's best interest(ie. rescind the ticket)

I'm looking for feedback if this is the correct approach or if I'm missing anything here.

I own the land my house sits on, but not the mineral rights under it.

Now in USA I believe (and I'm sure I'll be corrected) but we own a certain depth of our property. But if I were to start drilling, I know FOR CERTAIN I'd drill into the crystal salt mines, otherwise known as Morton salt Co.

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I've researched that angle quite a bit. I believe what you are describing is a usufruct.

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Learning that and putting that knowledge to good use will cause lawyers and judges alike to squirm. Dean Clifford does understand what a usufruct is and how to apply it so that he doesn't have to take the liability from a claim against the trust that is in his name.

I'm still learning that approach. In the past, as in like the past 2-3 years I've been using the Marc Stevens approach to traffic cases. I.E. show me you have jurisdiction. They can't because they don't have it. But that's a totally separate discussion. I literally had a prosecutor yell at me and tell me "You don't know law, I do." I smiled and said "No, you're a lawyer you went to school for 4 plus years to learn procedure, if you knew law you wouldn't need law books, or a Blacks Law Dictionary. Don't sit there and patronize me because you can't extract additional wealth from my via theft from this fraud you call a court."

In the USA, you do not own any depth of land. You own Real estate. Picture your property in your mind with no house. You see that picture? That's the states land. Put your house on it, and viola, that is real estate. You don't technically own the real estate either. If you look at the mortgage paperwork you are referred to as Stewart or tenant, or occupant. No where in the mortgage paperwork are you referred to as the home owner.

Get a Black's Law Dictionary 6th Edition if you want to learn the meaning of the legalese word usage in legal documents. You'll be amazed at how many rights you are giving up by contracting with financial and government entities.

You have the UNLIMITED RIGHT to contract, just be careful on who you contract with and if you really know the REAL language of the contract you are agreeing too. Not what it looks like on the surface.

But actual part of the land my home sits on, is owned by me.
I own the freehold to this land.

As a home occupier I do have to pay the local council a tax based upon the value of the property but this is only to pay for local services such as schools, fire, police, library etc. If I didn't pay then I wouldn't loose my home.


Some property in the UK, especially apartments are leasehold and you have to pay an annual rent to the land owner. The lease is agreed when you purchase the property and is normally 99 years in length.

It sounds like the local government own the freehold of the land your home sits on and so you have to pay them rent.

Great point glad you're familiar with this. I had heard of usufruct and usufructuary agreements but it didn't click that it's what we're talking about.

I am also familiar with the angle you've mentioned about jurisdiction and burden of proof. It all ties in with the person and which name you're operating through. It seems more complicated and/or leaves more room for error but I will look up Marc Stevens.

What have been your results using Stevens' approach?

I tried to respond to your private message, but it won't allow me as I'm not an "upgraded member." So I'll expand upon answering your question and tying it in with your above question here.

Challenge Jurisdiction. Marc Stevens has good success because it works. I've used his method with good results as well. Bringing up trust law in a traffic court just provides the prosecutor and judge argument. Judges and Lawyers like to do nothing more than to argue. So why provide them argument? Don't give them any ammunition. Go right to the jugular and challenge jurisdiction.

If the judge tries to skirt his or her responsibilities, you can put them in their place with a supreme court case:

"Once jurisdiction is challenged, the court cannot proceed when it clearly
appears that the court lacks jurisdiction, the court has no authority to
reach merits, but, rather, should dismiss the action
- Melo v. US, 505 F2d 1026.

Marc Stevens approach is very simple and easy to follow. Knowing trust law is a bonus, but challenging the courts jurisdiction is the key to winning 90% of cases with the government. I've seen the same approached used against the IRS with success. Which is kind of confusing considering if the person agreed to use the federal reserve notes and by definition of 12 USC 411 they have admitted to being a federal reserve bank or an agent thereof. No other use are authorize, so if you're not a federal reserve bank or an agent of said bank you are not allowed to be using Federal Reserve Notes. I wonder if they (the IRS) just drops the case as they don't want to let the cat out of the bag in a court of law that you contracted to agree to be a federal reserve bank or an agent of said bank? They could easily apply jurisdiction. So I'm a little baffled by Marc's success with the IRS with regards to income taxes.

I haven't paid income taxes in about 5 years now. Haven't heard a peep from the IRS because I redeem lawful money and let them know that I have not willfully agreed to accepting federal reserve notes and apply redemption per 12 USC 411. I even had to threaten my financial institutions charter to get them to accept my altered signature. I said over the call to their lawyer that if the institution you represent does not allow me to redeem lawful money per 12 USC 411 I will bring you into federal court for breach of contract with the Federal Reserve System. Your institution has to agree with every single line of the Federal Reserves Charter or you cannot do business with the Federal Reserve System. 12 USC 411 is part of the Federal Reserves Charter. So like it or not you have to allow me to redeem lawful money.

He shut up and told them they would allow me too. I said thank you, but you are not in the position to allow me to do anything. If you decided to not disallow me I would of had your charter suspended.

The answer is in a little box on the Deed

Its called Acknowledge the Deed... Rob Ryder

Sign it and its yours.

Have the luxury of being 100% disabled from the armed services.

I pay no taxes whatsoever except for sales tax.

Fact is you deluded Americans think you live democracy and have rights were in fact you don't own shit, you are not free and you pay an annual rent for something that is never really yours.

You live in a feudal system were everyone is a slave among a chaste stratified economic system .

Yet you fear anything with the looks of socialism not knowing you already live in the worst form of feudal communism !



set aside whatever ISMs you may believe in and look for the facts ...

Even though I paid cash for my "property"? No mortgage. Not that this has anything to do with anything, but the original title says I'm not legally supposed to sell to "colored people"

Can you give a brief recap of the "challenging jurisdiction" defense?

From my (lack of) knowledge, you'd argue that the officer overstepped jurisdiction by fining the fictitious person operating under statue law... where in turn "I" was operating under inherent jurisdiction where statutes cannot apply to a non-fiction(which as a live man I am not a fiction).

Anything specific that you've argued that helped your defense? I'll check out his vids too & if you recommend anything in particular that'd be great

We could get into the lawful money discussion too as I find that very interesting.

But at the moment I doubt I'd pursue that avenue, only because it seems our USD is on life support and about to take a turn for the worst.

lawyers do not decide what the meaning of "is" is. I DO, without agreement on the definition there is no definition, that is what Clinton was saying when he said that. "Define your terms before I agree with the terms."

there is no allodial title until and unless that property (you, your own body) is REDEEMED FROM THE DEBT SYSTEM.

THERE IS NO WAY TO REDEEM ANY PROPERTY FROM THE DEBT SYSTEM UNTIL THE DEBT IS PAID LAWFULLY!!

read that until it sinks in, without Gold or Silver coin, there is no payment, or at the very least, gold or silver backed lawful money of the united states Treasury (US Notes).

Gold or silver coin has ALWAYS been lawful money (or paper directly backed by gold or silver).

DEBT is not payment for property, no owner rights can be granted or recognized without lawful payment. That is the law of the land and its Gods law (even if you do not believe in God, it is not relevant because the law is biased on law from a source higher than man).

once you can prove, in a proper court of record, that the property in question has been REDEEMED via lawful payment of gold or silver or gold or silver backed MONEY, you can challenge anyone or anythings (government) STANDING on the property as the OWNER.

the reason the other poster cannot give you the answers you seek is simply because he does not have them himself or else he would be paying no property tax and hold provable standing in a court of competent jurisdiction that he is the owner of said property, lawfully redeemed from the national DEBT system.

utter bullshit. the USD you speak of is the FEDERAL RESERVE NOTE, which has never held any value for itself. something that is worth nothing can not become worth less than nothing.

the ONLY US Dollar is issued by the Treasury and it is a codified amount of silver of a known certified weight and purity.

There are 300 million US mint gold coins held in trust (issued by Abe Lincoln via the US Treasury and given to the Government under FDRs 'NEW DEAL' in 1933). those gold coins are PUBLIC property and lawful money, as are the 239 million in US Notes currently outstanding in the US according to the US Treasurys own accounting given to congress each month.

You can go see the coins in Denver Colorado, on public display.

When you demand lawful money redemption per 12 USC 411, you have accessed that TRUST and then can, with full support of the law of the land via the clean hands doctrine, start redeeming your property.

until and unless you abide by the law of redemption and payment of DEBTS, you have NO protection of the law, nor the Government.

Pretty difficult to follow I must say. However seems logical to retain an attorney?

the USA, inc was bankrupt in 1933 and you fools keep talking like its some future event.

READ THE CONGRESSIONAL RECORDS of 1933, the collapse you all fear has happened already, 1977 was the official DEFAULT and taking the US off the international and internal Gold Standard was the default after the bankruptcy fact.

Federal Reserve NOTES ARE DEBT, they cannot pay debt, no matter what anyone tells you.

the DEBT CLOCK in TIMES square is the public notice the debt is not being PAID, it is the RECORD of every FEDERAL RESERVE NOTE being exchanged as legal tender, but not paying the debt.

you can either continue sinking in debt or you can REDEEM yourself and your property from it.

the choice is and always has been yours.

Search "the Trading with the enemy ACT" and see what happens, you all are trading with the enemy of the Republic and then get upset when the LAW takes your property and treats you like the ENEMY when its your own doing!!

No that's the last thing I'd want.

Very hard to find a BAR lawyer who's willing to openly admit this is going on. He will not help me... I can represent myself if I know enough of the law to present a defense.

Most of the people who speak about this recommend defending yourself & from my research I'd have to agree.

retaining an attorney proves to the court you are unable to act as an adult (incompetent) and handle your own affairs.

i do not argue with Judges, I over see my own court, make my own 'rulings' and simply record them in my court of record, why? HOW?

because none of those blacked curtain wearing servants have jurisdiction over me! WHY? HOW?

Because they do not demand lawful money and are also guilty of "trading with the ENEMY" by their open endorsement of the enemies money (the Federal Reserve NOTE)!

Clean hands doctrine, folks, look it UP, the judges violate their oath of office AND the law of the land by endorsing competing currency (the FRN) with the lawful money issued by constitutional authority of Congress and the Treasury to "coin money and set the value thereof"!

They AND YOU are TRAITORS, but since you are just as guilty, they can sit in Judgement of YOU, you cannot argue the fact they do not have clean hands when YOU do not have clean hands either!

Get it?