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US_NPP Fermi (MI) ongoing problem MANUAL SCRAM DUE TO LOSS OF TURBINE BUILDING CLOSED COOLING WATER

[link to www.nrc.gov]

The leak rate was reported as approximately 5-10 gallons per minute from a weld on the standby feedwater pump header drain valve F326. The licensee reported the leak stopped once RCIC was placed into service. The licensee is still investigating the issue.

Operators were manually controlling Reactor Pressure Vessel (RPV) level and pressure with Reactor Core Isolation Cooling (RCIC) and Safety Relief Valves (SRV).
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Other US_NPPs reporting a power drop over the weekend

Calvert Cliffs 1 (MD) 89 % saturday

Limerick 1 (PA) 62% saturday, Limerick 2 (PA) 80%n last sunday

NineMilePt2 (NY) 75% saturday, 85% today, NMP1 (NY) shutdown last weekend

Oyster Creek1 (NJ) 95% saturday

Susquehanna 1 (PA) 65% saturday, 93% sunday, 90% today

Browns Ferry 1 (AL) 69% saturday, 76% sunday, 86% today

Hatch 1 (GA) 84 % today
Hatch 2 (GA) 96% last saturday

Sequoyah 1 (TN) 0 % today

Diablo Canyon 2 (CA) 98% saturday, 50 % sunday and today

GrandGulf 1 (MS) 63% sunday and today

River Bend 1 (LA) 93 % saturday, 61% last saturday
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I'm 46 miles north. I might have to get in my car and drive further upstate.
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Other US_NPPs reporting a power drop over the weekend

Calvert Cliffs 1 (MD) 89 % saturday

Limerick 1 (PA) 62% saturday, Limerick 2 (PA) 80%n last sunday

NineMilePt2 (NY) 75% saturday, 85% today, NMP1 (NY) shutdown last weekend

Oyster Creek1 (NJ) 95% saturday

Susquehanna 1 (PA) 65% saturday, 93% sunday, 90% today

Browns Ferry 1 (AL) 69% saturday, 76% sunday, 86% today

Hatch 1 (GA) 84 % today
Hatch 2 (GA) 96% last saturday

Sequoyah 1 (TN) 0 % today

Diablo Canyon 2 (CA) 98% saturday, 50 % sunday and today

GrandGulf 1 (MS) 63% sunday and today

River Bend 1 (LA) 93 % saturday, 61% last saturday
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What the hell? This makes me so mad. Why are we not allowed to vote on issues like nuclear power plants, and not building them? Instead the issues are always the same... we the people have lost the power to actually choose what happens in our country.

If the doom so many wait for actually happened, the survivors will slowly be nuked to death anyways.
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Other US_NPPs reporting a power drop over the weekend

Calvert Cliffs 1 (MD) 89 % saturday

Limerick 1 (PA) 62% saturday, Limerick 2 (PA) 80%n last sunday

NineMilePt2 (NY) 75% saturday, 85% today, NMP1 (NY) shutdown last weekend

Oyster Creek1 (NJ) 95% saturday

Susquehanna 1 (PA) 65% saturday, 93% sunday, 90% today

Browns Ferry 1 (AL) 69% saturday, 76% sunday, 86% today

Hatch 1 (GA) 84 % today
Hatch 2 (GA) 96% last saturday

Sequoyah 1 (TN) 0 % today

Diablo Canyon 2 (CA) 98% saturday, 50 % sunday and today

GrandGulf 1 (MS) 63% sunday and today

River Bend 1 (LA) 93 % saturday, 61% last saturday
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What the hell? This makes me so mad. Why are we not allowed to vote on issues like nuclear power plants, and not building them? Instead the issues are always the same... we the people have lost the power to actually choose what happens in our country.

If the doom so many wait for actually happened, the survivors will slowly be nuked to death anyways.
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There are more--not trying to scare--just want awareness to be spread

Great Report RADCHICK!!
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I'm 46 miles north. I might have to get in my car and drive further upstate.
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winds going north.
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F*** me im in newport about 5 miles away
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F*** me im in newport about 5 miles away
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[link to www.michigan.gov]

Get potassium iodide to keep on hand.....
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Multiple problems at site, Monroe MI/Lake Erie (SE Michigan)

Reactor is in Hot Shutdown

Large leak in turbine pump hose, but there's more.

Unisolable leak in feedwater system. Meaning, they can't find it.

Water level was 137 inches at lowest, at least that is what is being reported...meaning fuel have been uncovered.

Anyone local with eyes on this plant?

The NRC event is detailed here with add'l info detailing new leaks, etc.

[link to www.nrc.gov]

If the cooling system is compromised, well. More on that later, hopefully it won't be necessary to discuss the ramifications of having a nuclear meltdown next to the largest freshwater lake system in the world. Oh, wait, they already had one there in 1966...

"We almost lost Detroit" by John Fuller [link to wsrl.org]
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Oh shit. Im 20 miles upwind from FermiII
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Me too.. Probably closer. Woodhaven Michigan here.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19567971


Those of you within ten miles can get free potassium iodide, in case of emergency. They really need to expand this to 30 miles, imo.

here is the link to get some.. [link to www.michigan.gov]

I am outside the 50 mile zone, but worry all the same.
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bump
To follow. 25 miles south here.
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On 9/14 they wrote "The scram signal has been reset"

what does that mean?
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Thanks for this post!! Haven't heard anything about this at all & I live 10 miles from there. Thank you guys for the links to get the potassium iodide pills as well! Headed to the pharmacy first thing tomorrow morning!
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Im good as edad..

I live on boblo island
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:Woahhhhsee:
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Stuxnetz?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6837954


That was my first thought too... or something similar.

If so... the question now is 'who?'


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The current radiation reading in Windsor, Ontario is fluctuating from 0.060 uSv/h to 0.130 uSv/h. Nothing to worry about right now.
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Fuck me in the motherless goat! I'm in Utah!
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Fuck me in the motherless goat! I'm in Utah!
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Panic meltdown pizza should be here already! I pay top delivery dollar for this pie!
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The Fermi 2 emergency plans are tested regularly. The Federal government requires a complete test of the plan each year.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This does not boost my confidence level at all.

Tested how?

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Geez, give it a rest. The POTUS has had little or nothing to do with the regulation of nuclear power....ever.

Look to the NRC, and see what kind of palling around in the bathhouse is happening in THAT agency. They've been dumbing down the standards since the 1970's.

eyeroll2
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The Fermi 2 emergency plans are tested regularly. The Federal government requires a complete test of the plan each year.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This does not boost my confidence level at all.

Tested how?

Barry and his homosexual pals splash around in the Cooling Pool like it was one of their Bath-Houses?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43177270


Geez, give it a rest. The POTUS has had little or nothing to do with the regulation of nuclear power....ever.

Look to the NRC, and see what kind of palling around in the bathhouse is happening in THAT agency. They've been dumbing down the standards since the 1970's.

eyeroll2
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"The buck stops here," as they say. Anyway, the regulators and inspectors are probably all surfing for porn or on vacations paid for my MichCon instead of doing their fucking jobs, just like the SEC guys were doing in 2008 before the financial crash.

Like communism, it all looks good on paper, until you toss the worthless, lazy, equal opportunity government worker into the mix.
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Probably a weld on the reactor vessel. Those things are old and most should be shut down. But like everyone else, I enjoy the benefits of electricity. To bad there is a moratorium on construction of new nuclear power plants so these 60's designed and 70's built plants cannot be easily replaced.

As this is GLP I expect people with no scientific understanding or education to start in on greeeeeen energy, the classified power sources from zeti reticuli UFO's, secret Nazi super power systems, and extraction of unlimited energy from farts.

The only real solution is to abandon everything that draws power in any form. If you are in a rural area, you can do renewable on an individual basis, but this will never work in a high population density city.
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Not to go off topic but this is from the top of the page from the nrc dot gov link you gave.

"On 8/31/15, at approximately 1300 EDT, a NASCO worker operating the #4 Protos cigarette making machine noticed that the nuclear gauge seemed to be malfunctioning."

They have nuclear powered cigarette making machines?! Wow! And I thought the $60.00 one I had with a hand crank was powerful.
initiating doom on elites in 5...4...3...2...1

Try a vegetarian dinner tonight! :D
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On 9/14 they wrote "The scram signal has been reset"

what does that mean?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58881983


I thought the scram signal was an overheat warning.

Last Edited by M*walk on 09/16/2015 12:09 AM
But I'd play with fire to break the ice...
And I'd play with a nuclear device...
Is it something I'll regret?
Why do I want what I can't get?
I wish it didn't have to be so bad...
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But I'd play with fire to break the ice...
And I'd play with a nuclear device...
Is it something I'll regret?
Why do I want what I can't get?
I wish it didn't have to be so bad...
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Credit goes to "We almost lost Detroit"

[link to www.wsrl.org]

This is the meat of the story...

How the accident happened...

Fascinating story...

""
Just before the start of the experiment, an assistant operator in the basement below the reactor opened, by mistake, four valves that kept air pressure form raising the control rods after the initial start-up. If the rods were to rise, the fuel in the reactor would immediately begin splitting atoms at a faster unplanned rate, leading to one of the most feared circumstances of all, a nuclear runaway. From that point on it would be impossible to predict what would happen.

At the control panel, the supervisor of the operation was horrified when he saw red warning lights suddenly flash on the panel board. He grabbed the phone and yelled to the operator in the basement to stop what he was doing, then rushed down to the basement, leaving his assistant in charge of the panel.

In the basement, he was relieved to find that not all the valves were open. He closed the valves immediately, and was sure the control rods had returned to their proper position.

He checked the air pressure, and it was good. Up in the control room the red warning lights went off, indicating that the control rods were where they should be.

What hd did not know, nor did anyone else at the time, was thatin some inexplicable way the rods had jammed, and had dropped down just far enough to turn off the warning lights, but not far enough to choke off the reactivity which was rising rapidly.

When the supervisor realized what was happening, he grabbed the basement phone to call the control room, intending to order his assistant to push buttons numbered 4 and number 3 to stop the reactivity. Instead, he said: "Push number 4 and number 1".

Up at the control panel, in order to reach the two buttons, the assistant had to put the phone down. The moment he did so, the supervisor in the basement realized he had called out the wrong numbers. He yelled into the phone, but no one heard him. The reactor began to run out of control - "above critical" in the parlance of the nuclear engineer.

It took only twenty seconds to realize this. Meanwhile, the power of the NRX reactor was doubling every two seconds. By that time, the reactor was on its way to a fuel meltdown. Four banks of control rods had been raised when the assistant had pushed button number 1. He immediately took the prescribe safety measure: He scrammed the reactor, tripping it so that all the control rods would slide safely back into place.

But, because of a lack of air pressure the control rods were not forced back into place. The galvanometer, which measures the electric current, indicated that the power level was still climbing on its way to disaster. The assistant at the controls screamed over the phone for the supervisor to do something about the air pressure, so that the control rods would drop and stop the reaction. There was no way to do this. The combination of errors had snowballed into an uncorrectable situation.

Exactly forty-four seconds after the accidental pushing of button number 1, a plant physicist realized that the only thing left to do was to dump the heavy water from the reactor, and thus cut off the fission process. There were thousands of barrels of heavy water in the reactor-each barrel worth more than a Cadillac. But it was the only option. The physicist reached over and slammed the dump switch.

It took several second to see what would happen. The power seemed to drop, but almost immediately another hazard loomed up: The whole sealed reactor vessel might collapse form the vacuum formed by the dumping. The operation was halted, then cautiously resumed. A sigh of relief went up when the instruments went back to normal, about thirty seconds after the dumping had begun.

But the disaster was far from over. Someone looked through an open basement door, and saw tons of water rushing out of the reactor, flooding the basement area. The supervisor and his assistant rushed with a bucket, carefully handled at a distance, to take a sample. A quick test showed it to be ordinary light water, but highly radioactive.

Then, four minutes after button number 1 had been accidentally pushed, a dull rumble was heard. The huge Four-Ton lid on the reactor vessel, called a gasholder, rose in the air. A spurt of water gushed out through the top of the reactor, spilling over the building floor. Radiation alarms went off, and the sensor near the steam fan showed lethal doses of radiation escaping.
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Credit goes to "We almost lost Detroit"

[link to www.wsrl.org]

This is the meat of the story...

How the accident happened...

Fascinating story...

""
Just before the start of the experiment, an assistant operator in the basement below the reactor opened, by mistake, four valves that kept air pressure form raising the control rods after the initial start-up. If the rods were to rise, the fuel in the reactor would immediately begin splitting atoms at a faster unplanned rate, leading to one of the most feared circumstances of all, a nuclear runaway. From that point on it would be impossible to predict what would happen.

At the control panel, the supervisor of the operation was horrified when he saw red warning lights suddenly flash on the panel board. He grabbed the phone and yelled to the operator in the basement to stop what he was doing, then rushed down to the basement, leaving his assistant in charge of the panel.

In the basement, he was relieved to find that not all the valves were open. He closed the valves immediately, and was sure the control rods had returned to their proper position.

He checked the air pressure, and it was good. Up in the control room the red warning lights went off, indicating that the control rods were where they should be.

What hd did not know, nor did anyone else at the time, was thatin some inexplicable way the rods had jammed, and had dropped down just far enough to turn off the warning lights, but not far enough to choke off the reactivity which was rising rapidly.

When the supervisor realized what was happening, he grabbed the basement phone to call the control room, intending to order his assistant to push buttons numbered 4 and number 3 to stop the reactivity. Instead, he said: "Push number 4 and number 1".

Up at the control panel, in order to reach the two buttons, the assistant had to put the phone down. The moment he did so, the supervisor in the basement realized he had called out the wrong numbers. He yelled into the phone, but no one heard him. The reactor began to run out of control - "above critical" in the parlance of the nuclear engineer.

It took only twenty seconds to realize this. Meanwhile, the power of the NRX reactor was doubling every two seconds. By that time, the reactor was on its way to a fuel meltdown. Four banks of control rods had been raised when the assistant had pushed button number 1. He immediately took the prescribe safety measure: He scrammed the reactor, tripping it so that all the control rods would slide safely back into place.

But, because of a lack of air pressure the control rods were not forced back into place. The galvanometer, which measures the electric current, indicated that the power level was still climbing on its way to disaster. The assistant at the controls screamed over the phone for the supervisor to do something about the air pressure, so that the control rods would drop and stop the reaction. There was no way to do this. The combination of errors had snowballed into an uncorrectable situation.

Exactly forty-four seconds after the accidental pushing of button number 1, a plant physicist realized that the only thing left to do was to dump the heavy water from the reactor, and thus cut off the fission process. There were thousands of barrels of heavy water in the reactor-each barrel worth more than a Cadillac. But it was the only option. The physicist reached over and slammed the dump switch.

It took several second to see what would happen. The power seemed to drop, but almost immediately another hazard loomed up: The whole sealed reactor vessel might collapse form the vacuum formed by the dumping. The operation was halted, then cautiously resumed. A sigh of relief went up when the instruments went back to normal, about thirty seconds after the dumping had begun.

But the disaster was far from over. Someone looked through an open basement door, and saw tons of water rushing out of the reactor, flooding the basement area. The supervisor and his assistant rushed with a bucket, carefully handled at a distance, to take a sample. A quick test showed it to be ordinary light water, but highly radioactive.

Then, four minutes after button number 1 had been accidentally pushed, a dull rumble was heard. The huge Four-Ton lid on the reactor vessel, called a gasholder, rose in the air. A spurt of water gushed out through the top of the reactor, spilling over the building floor. Radiation alarms went off, and the sensor near the steam fan showed lethal doses of radiation escaping.
""
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ALL of the reactors on the Great Lakes should be shut down!!

In the event of a Fukushima type event MULTIPLE CITIES on the Great Lakes that would lose their drinking water ... and without water a city DIES

1) Already there has been a meltdown at Fermi 1 and that reactor has never been able to even be unloaded ever since.

2) The Davis Bessie, about 30 miles as the crow flies from Fermi had an exact duplicate of the situation that led to the 3 Mile Island meltdown BEFORE 3 Mile Island happened, but the operators there figured out that the readings were wrong and unlike the slow learners in PA managed to flood the reactor just BEFORE the fuel got uncovered
(the NRC was so stupid and bureaucratic that they did NOT notify the other operators of clones of that B&W reactor as to what happened and what to watch out for ... thus when 3 Mile Island had a similar event about 18 months later it actually melted down)

3) Davis Bessie AGAIN had a serious issue where the lid on the pressurized reactor had almost been eaten all the way through because of an acid leak. The hole was about 8 inches deep on the 10 inch lid. It was only found before the pressure broke through because an OUTSIDE CONTRACTOR had to make a quick trip into the reactor room to check on something and it was just sitting there obvious to anyone walking in the room when you first walked in.
(the operator of the Plant was filing reports stating that they were PHYSICALLY INSPECTING the reactor inside the containment structure once every 6 weeks as required. The final report said that the HOLE in the top of the reactor lid would have been clearly visible for 18 months before it was accidentally discovered, probably about 6 weeks from the lid giving way and pressure being lost in the reactor)

US nuclear reactor operators are not very good ... and obviously LIE REGULARLY in their reports. They have had a difficult time keeping the Genie in the Bottle.

Time to shut down ALL nuclear power plants in the US before we have an accident that is really damaging here ... ala Fukushima level.
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My father used to work there in the late 80's. What a trip.
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What we need now are experts, people who understand a emergency in the nuclear field!!!!!!!
Call Fukushima and get those people over here now, they understand, they have experience!!!!
And they might be able to make the lake glow at night!
Why was that reactor built next the lake!!!!!!!!!!
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Cra0 I live 15 miles north of fermi.
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can someone give me a laments summary. im not too familiar with these terms
 Quoting: HeftyBump


All of the various systems to keep a reactor powered up seem to have failed at once.

It started with a leak, which they fixed - but pressure was still wonky.

Then water dropped to dangerous low level for no apparent reason.

They started manually "controlling" pressure and then found the water system has some totally new leak somewhere else, which they can't seem to find. But they know it's happening.

At some point while looking for other mysterious leak the water dropped AGAIN, so they are pumping and keeping water in and controlling relief pressures manually...which you only do in a fairly extreme emergency.

Next few hours very important, they have to maintain water over rods or you can get something like this:
[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

FERMI 2 is the same style of reactor as Fukushima.

As this plant sits right on the Great Lakes it would be very bad if things got out of hand there. They had a partial meltdown there in 1966.
 Quoting: RadChick


When I read the report it sounds nothing like what you are saying.





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