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What Catholics really believe!!!! It's all in the Nicene Crede!!!!

 
Oxi moran  (OP)

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Check out the Larry king interview with Billy Grahan
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Op. You know damn well that the creed is sort of comparable to The preamble to the constitution of the United states.

You also know likewise that the universal Catholic church has many more laws and doctrines not represented in the creed, just as the US has many more statute and doctrines not represented in the constitution.
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Op I know that to attack an institution you must understand what they stand-what is there universal belief- everything is just interpret ion!
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Ahh I see the problem clearly. Your self identity is so wrapped up in the organization that you interpret an attack on that organization as an attack on you.

The problem is not Catholic people Op. It's the organization.
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So let me get this straight you can't find anything in their central document to criticize?
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Yeah, seriously what is your point. I mean if you're going to make a thread like this, then take item by item and why you disagree with it. You're thread makes no sense whatsoever.
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The Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed is more relevant since the holy spirit hadn't yet been promoted to person and co-equal God in the original Nicene Creed. Those creeds also applies to Protestants and pretty much any trinitarian denomination. Pledging allegiance to the mother church they call harlot.
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Spamming your own thread. Tsk, tsk.
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You want to attack Catholics use that.
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There's also plenty to attack protestants over.
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Op I know that to attack an institution you must understand what they stand-what is there universal belief- everything is just interpret ion!
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Ahh I see the problem clearly. Your self identity is so wrapped up in the organization that you interpret an attack on that organization as an attack on you.

The problem is not Catholic people Op. It's the organization.
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So let me get this straight you can't find anything in their central document to criticize?
 Quoting: Oxi moran


Yeah, seriously what is your point. I mean if you're going to make a thread like this, then take item by item and why you disagree with it. You're thread makes no sense whatsoever.
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If you haven't fiqured it out yet- I have no problems with this creed! In fact it's spot on! All we hear on here is catholic bashing!
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all of Christianity is of the Nicene creed.
all denominations were created by catholics.


lol foolish Christian, thinking himself better than catholics.
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Re: What Catholics really believe!!!! It's all in the Nicene Crede!!!!
Here I'll help you out a bit. I was raised Lutheran and we were made to recite a version of it. I had a problem with being forced to recite things in general, I do not feel it is from the heart then. There are several versions of Niceene Creed.



The first part I had the problem with was God of God Light of Light. Are they saying he is god of light? What exactly does that mean anyways, makes no sense.



The other part I had a problem with was:

I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church. Now in later years they took the Catholic out in some protestant churches, however, the meaning is still there. Personally, I don't put my faith in any church. We are not to put our faith in the church, but in God himself.
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Then why is there a bible if all we need is a creed. Hopefully they concentrate on the creed and ignore the Pope. Jesus is King. Read the Bible.
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The Pope will lead them to slaughter. Get out now to save yourselves.
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Re: What Catholics really believe!!!! It's all in the Nicene Crede!!!!
all of Christianity is of the Nicene creed.
all denominations were created by catholics.


lol foolish Christian, thinking himself better than catholics.
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No, you are incorrect. That may be true of some bigger mainline Protestant churches, but there are plenty that know the truth. The Catholic church wasn't even start until 300 AD. Pretty much Catholics hijacked true Christianity and merged it with pagan Rome. Peter was no where near the first pope, that is complete blasphemy.
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Re: What Catholics really believe!!!! It's all in the Nicene Crede!!!!
Here I'll help you out a bit. I was raised Lutheran and we were made to recite a version of it. I had a problem with being forced to recite things in general, I do not feel it is from the heart then. There are several versions of Niceene Creed.



The first part I had the problem with was God of God Light of Light. Are they saying he is god of light? What exactly does that mean anyways, makes no sense.



The other part I had a problem with was:

I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church. Now in later years they took the Catholic out in some protestant churches, however, the meaning is still there. Personally, I don't put my faith in any church. We are not to put our faith in the church, but in God himself.
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the RCC gave you your bible.
even as a nonedenominational you are still in the spiritual system of rome/Babylon.
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Then why is there a bible if all we need is a creed. Hopefully they concentrate on the creed and ignore the Pope. Jesus is King. Read the Bible.
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If you're a trinitarian or deity of Christ believer you're following Catholic creeds.
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Re: What Catholics really believe!!!! It's all in the Nicene Crede!!!!
all of Christianity is of the Nicene creed.
all denominations were created by catholics.


lol foolish Christian, thinking himself better than catholics.
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No, you are incorrect. That may be true of some bigger mainline Protestant churches, but there are plenty that know the truth. The Catholic church wasn't even start until 300 AD. Pretty much Catholics hijacked true Christianity and merged it with pagan Rome. Peter was no where near the first pope, that is complete blasphemy.
 Quoting: Shasta 22281908


peter (if existed[he didn't but whatever]) was entrusted by jesus to start a church.
since catholics are the only ones claiming peter started the church, they are right.

no judge would dare to say otherwise, since there is a law, that says, if I have a coat, and someone claims I stole it from him, that person has to prove I indeed stole it from him before the court can rule the coat be returned to him.

no since no one but the rcc, claims peter created their church, rcc is the church peter created.

mmmm if you think rome hijacked Christianity, is because you are talking about outdated official version of history, recent discoveries teach us ROME CREATED CHRISTAINITY rome was involved in Christianity since day one.
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Then why is there a bible if all we need is a creed. Hopefully they concentrate on the creed and ignore the Pope. Jesus is King. Read the Bible.
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If you're a trinitarian or deity of Christ believer you're following Catholic creeds.
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have you emailed me?
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Re: What Catholics really believe!!!! It's all in the Nicene Crede!!!!
all of Christianity is of the Nicene creed.
all denominations were created by catholics.


lol foolish Christian, thinking himself better than catholics.
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No, you are incorrect. That may be true of some bigger mainline Protestant churches, but there are plenty that know the truth. The Catholic church wasn't even start until 300 AD. Pretty much Catholics hijacked true Christianity and merged it with pagan Rome. Peter was no where near the first pope, that is complete blasphemy.
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That is not correct!
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Re: What Catholics really believe!!!! It's all in the Nicene Crede!!!!
Here I'll help you out a bit. I was raised Lutheran and we were made to recite a version of it. I had a problem with being forced to recite things in general, I do not feel it is from the heart then. There are several versions of Niceene Creed.



The first part I had the problem with was God of God Light of Light. Are they saying he is god of light? What exactly does that mean anyways, makes no sense.



The other part I had a problem with was:

I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church. Now in later years they took the Catholic out in some protestant churches, however, the meaning is still there. Personally, I don't put my faith in any church. We are not to put our faith in the church, but in God himself.
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the RCC gave you your bible.
even as a nonedenominational you are still in the spiritual system of rome/Babylon.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70415143


Once again, you do not know your history. Why do you think Rome fought so hard against Europe getting the true Bible printing and literally burned people at the stake for it? Please read up on your history and why Rome was literaly killing people for having or printing the true Bible.
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Re: What Catholics really believe!!!! It's all in the Nicene Crede!!!!
all of Christianity is of the Nicene creed.
all denominations were created by catholics.


lol foolish Christian, thinking himself better than catholics.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70415143


No, you are incorrect. That may be true of some bigger mainline Protestant churches, but there are plenty that know the truth. The Catholic church wasn't even start until 300 AD. Pretty much Catholics hijacked true Christianity and merged it with pagan Rome. Peter was no where near the first pope, that is complete blasphemy.
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That is not correct!
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Ah, so you must be Catholic.
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Re: What Catholics really believe!!!! It's all in the Nicene Crede!!!!
all of Christianity is of the Nicene creed.
all denominations were created by catholics.


lol foolish Christian, thinking himself better than catholics.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70415143


No, you are incorrect. That may be true of some bigger mainline Protestant churches, but there are plenty that know the truth. The Catholic church wasn't even start until 300 AD. Pretty much Catholics hijacked true Christianity and merged it with pagan Rome. Peter was no where near the first pope, that is complete blasphemy.
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Do you have links for that? Or is it all just made up in your head
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Re: What Catholics really believe!!!! It's all in the Nicene Crede!!!!
all of Christianity is of the Nicene creed.
all denominations were created by catholics.


lol foolish Christian, thinking himself better than catholics.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70415143


No, you are incorrect. That may be true of some bigger mainline Protestant churches, but there are plenty that know the truth. The Catholic church wasn't even start until 300 AD. Pretty much Catholics hijacked true Christianity and merged it with pagan Rome. Peter was no where near the first pope, that is complete blasphemy.
 Quoting: Shasta 22281908


That is not correct!
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Ah, so you must be Catholic.
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Because I disagree with your obvious lie?
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Re: What Catholics really believe!!!! It's all in the Nicene Crede!!!!
Here I'll help you out a bit. I was raised Lutheran and we were made to recite a version of it. I had a problem with being forced to recite things in general, I do not feel it is from the heart then. There are several versions of Niceene Creed.



The first part I had the problem with was God of God Light of Light. Are they saying he is god of light? What exactly does that mean anyways, makes no sense.



The other part I had a problem with was:

I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church. Now in later years they took the Catholic out in some protestant churches, however, the meaning is still there. Personally, I don't put my faith in any church. We are not to put our faith in the church, but in God himself.
 Quoting: Shasta 22281908


the RCC gave you your bible.
even as a nonedenominational you are still in the spiritual system of rome/Babylon.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70415143


Once again, you do not know your history. Why do you think Rome fought so hard against Europe getting the true Bible printing and literally burned people at the stake for it? Please read up on your history and why Rome was literaly killing people for having or printing the true Bible.
 Quoting: Shasta 22281908


true bible?

dude rome wrote all the gosples as a massive psyop, since many were contradictory they had the nicean council to fix that mess.

the RCC hid the bible because it is STILL CONTRADICTORY and they didn't want people comparing the NT with the OT.
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Re: What Catholics really believe!!!! It's all in the Nicene Crede!!!!
all Christian bibles today are RCC authorized.

they decided which books are canon.

don't tell me I don't know history, cause it seems I know it better than you.
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Re: What Catholics really believe!!!! It's all in the Nicene Crede!!!!
all of Christianity is of the Nicene creed.
all denominations were created by catholics.


lol foolish Christian, thinking himself better than catholics.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70415143


No, you are incorrect. That may be true of some bigger mainline Protestant churches, but there are plenty that know the truth. The Catholic church wasn't even start until 300 AD. Pretty much Catholics hijacked true Christianity and merged it with pagan Rome. Peter was no where near the first pope, that is complete blasphemy.
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Do you have links for that? Or is it all just made up in your head
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Of course no credible link
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Re: What Catholics really believe!!!! It's all in the Nicene Crede!!!!
all of Christianity is of the Nicene creed.
all denominations were created by catholics.


lol foolish Christian, thinking himself better than catholics.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70415143


No, you are incorrect. That may be true of some bigger mainline Protestant churches, but there are plenty that know the truth. The Catholic church wasn't even start until 300 AD. Pretty much Catholics hijacked true Christianity and merged it with pagan Rome. Peter was no where near the first pope, that is complete blasphemy.
 Quoting: Shasta 22281908


peter (if existed[he didn't but whatever]) was entrusted by jesus to start a church.
since catholics are the only ones claiming peter started the church, they are right.

no judge would dare to say otherwise, since there is a law, that says, if I have a coat, and someone claims I stole it from him, that person has to prove I indeed stole it from him before the court can rule the coat be returned to him.

no since no one but the rcc, claims peter created their church, rcc is the church peter created.

mmmm if you think rome hijacked Christianity, is because you are talking about outdated official version of history, recent discoveries teach us ROME CREATED CHRISTAINITY rome was involved in Christianity since day one.
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I am sorry you are so brainwashed and now claim all history is false except for what the Roman Catholic church rewrites, have a good day, no sense in arguing with someone who doesn't now his own history. Even Jews such as Flavius Josephus have early records of Jesus and disciples. You know want to say there writings are untrue? You are being deceived by the very Catholic church you are against.
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Re: What Catholics really believe!!!! It's all in the Nicene Crede!!!!
all of Christianity is of the Nicene creed.
all denominations were created by catholics.


lol foolish Christian, thinking himself better than catholics.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70415143


No, you are incorrect. That may be true of some bigger mainline Protestant churches, but there are plenty that know the truth. The Catholic church wasn't even start until 300 AD. Pretty much Catholics hijacked true Christianity and merged it with pagan Rome. Peter was no where near the first pope, that is complete blasphemy.
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It's not blasphemy. It's history. hf [link to www.newadvent.org]
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all of Christianity is of the Nicene creed.
all denominations were created by catholics.


lol foolish Christian, thinking himself better than catholics.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70415143


No, you are incorrect. That may be true of some bigger mainline Protestant churches, but there are plenty that know the truth. The Catholic church wasn't even start until 300 AD. Pretty much Catholics hijacked true Christianity and merged it with pagan Rome. Peter was no where near the first pope, that is complete blasphemy.
 Quoting: Shasta 22281908


peter (if existed[he didn't but whatever]) was entrusted by jesus to start a church.
since catholics are the only ones claiming peter started the church, they are right.

no judge would dare to say otherwise, since there is a law, that says, if I have a coat, and someone claims I stole it from him, that person has to prove I indeed stole it from him before the court can rule the coat be returned to him.

no since no one but the rcc, claims peter created their church, rcc is the church peter created.

mmmm if you think rome hijacked Christianity, is because you are talking about outdated official version of history, recent discoveries teach us ROME CREATED CHRISTAINITY rome was involved in Christianity since day one.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70415143


I am sorry you are so brainwashed and now claim all history is false except for what the Roman Catholic church rewrites, have a good day, no sense in arguing with someone who doesn't now his own history. Even Jews such as Flavius Josephus have early records of Jesus and disciples. You know want to say there writings are untrue? You are being deceived by the very Catholic church you are against.
 Quoting: Shasta 22281908


lol, you should know JOSEPHUS was part of a league of roman scholars who wrote the NT (and other books that didn't make it into the bible) under support of the flavian family.

there is no mention of jesus in josephus except one verse the church admitted to have faked.
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The catholic faith and their beliefs can be summed up I the Nicene Crede!

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It's all right there what Catholics really believe
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Actually, if you remove the word "Catholic" from it, it's what all Christians believe...


The Nicene Creed

I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.

I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come. Amen.
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The catholic faith and their beliefs can be summed up I the Nicene Crede!

[link to www.usccb.org]
 Quoting: Oxi moran


I am Catholic. Born and raised that way. Have been a Catholic for all my 53 years on this earth.

Yes, that creed is taught to us and we recite it at every Mass. In fact, I know it from memory. For the life of me, I do not understand what your criticism of it (and us?) is based upon.
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Christianity (all denominations and none denominationals) believe a roman lie.

rome is edom and the successor of Babylon.

Osiris was born of a virgin and symbolized by a lamb, so we killed him on Passover lol.

just thought you should know the truth.
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The catholic faith and their beliefs can be summed up I the Nicene Crede!

[link to www.usccb.org]
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It's all right there what Catholics really believe
 Quoting: Oxi moran




Actually, if you remove the word "Catholic" from it, it's what all Christians believe...


The Nicene Creed

I believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the Only Begotten Son of God,
born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
he came down from heaven,
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
he suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and his kingdom will have no end.

I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
who has spoken through the prophets.

I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come. Amen.
 Quoting: abeliever


Exactly!!!!! And catholic means universal!!!
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The catholic faith and their beliefs can be summed up I the Nicene Crede!

[link to www.usccb.org]
 Quoting: Oxi moran


I am Catholic. Born and raised that way. Have been a Catholic for all my 53 years on this earth.

Yes, that creed is taught to us and we recite it at every Mass. In fact, I know it from memory. For the life of me, I do not understand what the criticism of it (and us?) is based upon.

UPDATE: As I perused the thread further, it became clear that Oxi Moran is _not_ criticizing me/us and so I re-worded my reply accordingly. Still, I do not see why we Catholics are so maligned.
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The catholic faith and their beliefs can be summed up I the Nicene Crede!

[link to www.usccb.org]
 Quoting: Oxi moran


I am Catholic. Born and raised that way. Have been a Catholic for all my 53 years on this earth.

Yes, that creed is taught to us and we recite it at every Mass. In fact, I know it from memory. For the life of me, I do not understand what the criticism of it (and us?) is based upon.

UPDATE: As I perused the thread further, it became clear that Oxi Moran is _not_ criticizing me/us and so I re-worded my reply accordingly. Still, I do not see why we Catholics are so maligned.
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There is a strong unfair misguided hatred for the church-





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