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What Catholics really believe!!!! It's all in the Nicene Crede!!!!

 
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The catholic faith and their beliefs can be summed up I the Nicene Crede!

[link to www.usccb.org]
 Quoting: Oxi moran


I am Catholic. Born and raised that way. Have been a Catholic for all my 53 years on this earth.

Yes, that creed is taught to us and we recite it at every Mass. In fact, I know it from memory. For the life of me, I do not understand what the criticism of it (and us?) is based upon.

UPDATE: As I perused the thread further, it became clear that Oxi Moran is _not_ criticizing me/us and so I re-worded my reply accordingly. Still, I do not see why we Catholics are so maligned.
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Because of the word "apostolic" the Catholic church is not following the teachings of the aspostles who taught us to serve others and feed the poor.

Remember when Jesus criticized the Pharasees for talking the talk, but not walking the walk? Bingo!

The Catholic church and other organized religions, are not walking the walk as Jesus taught us.

So, in answer to your question, I think anyone would see the operative word to criticize here in the creed is apostolic. The Catholic church is showing the world with all their opulance, that it is anything but apostolic. If they sold all the gold on their altars, and got the gold glitz out of their mass clothing, and truly served people as the apostles taught us, then they would be true Christians according to the teachings of Our Lord Jesus.

It is beautifully written and sums up all Christian faith (except for the word Catholic).
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The Catholic Church doesn't walk the walk? Please explain why you would say this? You must be unaware of the many Catholic charities and missions all over the world.

And more importantly, I know you are unaware that many individual Catholics live their faith more than you would believe, and the saints are just a small fraction of them.
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Proud Roman Catholic here. I pray one day you all see the folly of your hatred. May God forgive you. Go in peace.
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Absolutely no hatred... God bless you!



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No, it most definitely did not. It was officially adopted at the First council of Constantinople in 381 AD, and it still took several centuries to fully develop the doctrines.
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It was a view held by the Church fathers before the First Council of Constantinople.

It was only had to be adopted as an offical statement as response to the heresy known was Arianism, which is same heresy you Unitarians adopted in the 1500's.
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Nope. Arianism was debated at Nicea 56 years earlier not Constantinople, and even Nicea didn't present a developed trinity. And this is almost four centuries after Jesus. Fact is the holy spirit wasn't even promoted to person- and Godhood at Nicea. And even after Nicea several bishops retracted the votes they felt they were pressured into. Constantine himself also converted back to Arianism and Arianism remained the dominant faith in East Rome. The trinity was invented between the 4th and 7th century after Jesus' earthly ministry. A man-made lie.

Not that I care about any of this; I don't do man-made doctrines invented by apostate bishopes. According to the Bible, Jesus, God Himself, the prophets of the Most High God, there is one Most High God, YHWH alone. Jesus called Him Father. According to your own words, Jesus was a heretic. That says all I need to know about your faith.
 Quoting: Monotheism


Jesus said: "Before the world was, I Am." I Am is the name of God revealed to Moses in the burning bush. He also said "I am in the Father and the Father is in me. Anyone who knows me knows the Father."

Regarding the Holy Spirit, that one is even easier because Jesus said to the apostles "When I send you My Spirit..."
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No, Jesus said "ego eimi", God's name from Exodus 3:14 is "ego eimi ho on", "ho on" being emphasised. We know for a fact that Jesus is not YHWH, the Father alone is. Several passages and verses conclusively attest to that. And I've never heard a trinitarian call Jesus YHWH anyway. He's only YHWH when the ego eimi lie is being regurgitated for some reason. The reason being trinitarian apologists are compulsive liars peddling a false doctrine.

Yes, he said the Father as in him and he in the Father, and he also prayed that his followers would become one as they are one and one with them. No trinity their either. The holy spirit can absolutely not be reconciled with trinitarian dogma. No way. Which verse and chapter did Jesus say "When I send you My Spirit". And how is that "easy? There's a possessive pronoun. The holy spirit is referred to with possessive pronouns in relation to the Father/YHWH in several verses. That is inconsistent with trinitarian dogma where the holy spirit is a third separate person. Why the possessive terminology if it's a separate person?

Thread: Another trinitarian contradiction; who would be speaking through the disciples?

Thread: Trinitarian inconsistency. No one knows the Father except the Son

Thread: Matthew 24:36 according to...

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It was a view held by the Church fathers before the First Council of Constantinople.

It was only had to be adopted as an offical statement as response to the heresy known was Arianism, which is same heresy you Unitarians adopted in the 1500's.
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Nope. Arianism was debated at Nicea 56 years earlier not Constantinople, and even Nicea didn't present a developed trinity. And this is almost four centuries after Jesus. Fact is the holy spirit wasn't even promoted to person- and Godhood at Nicea. And even after Nicea several bishops retracted the votes they felt they were pressured into. Constantine himself also converted back to Arianism and Arianism remained the dominant faith in East Rome. The trinity was invented between the 4th and 7th century after Jesus' earthly ministry. A man-made lie.

Not that I care about any of this; I don't do man-made doctrines invented by apostate bishopes. According to the Bible, Jesus, God Himself, the prophets of the Most High God, there is one Most High God, YHWH alone. Jesus called Him Father. According to your own words, Jesus was a heretic. That says all I need to know about your faith.
 Quoting: Monotheism


Jesus said: "Before the world was, I Am." I Am is the name of God revealed to Moses in the burning bush. He also said "I am in the Father and the Father is in me. Anyone who knows me knows the Father."

Regarding the Holy Spirit, that one is even easier because Jesus said to the apostles "When I send you My Spirit..."
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No, Jesus said "ego eimi", God's name from Exodus 3:14 is "ego eimi ho on", "ho on" being emphasised. We know for a fact that Jesus is not YHWH, the Father alone is. Several passages and verses conclusively attest to that. And I've never heard a trinitarian call Jesus YHWH anyway. He's only YHWH when the ego eimi lie is being regurgitated for some reason. The reason being trinitarian apologists are compulsive liars peddling a false doctrine.

Yes, he said the Father as in him and he in the Father, and he also prayed that his followers would become one as they are one and one with them. No trinity their either. The holy spirit can absolutely not be reconciled with trinitarian dogma. No way. Which verse and chapter did Jesus say "When I send you My Spirit". And how is that "easy? There's a possessive pronoun. The holy spirit is referred to with possessive pronouns in relation to the Father/YHWH in several verses. That is inconsistent with trinitarian dogma where the holy spirit is a third separate person. Why the possessive terminology if it's a separate person?

Thread: Another trinitarian contradiction; who would be speaking through the disciples?

Thread: Trinitarian inconsistency. No one knows the Father except the Son

Thread: Matthew 24:36 according to...
 Quoting: Monotheism


You know what, I might have been wrong about both of those Bible verses, you got me. I obviously need to check myself before I try to share or defend what Catholics believe. We believe that there is one God though, and that the Trinity is both three and one. Here is a Catholic defense for the Trinity. [link to www.catholic.com]
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The catholic faith and their beliefs can be summed up I the Nicene Crede!

[link to www.usccb.org]
 Quoting: Oxi moran


I am Catholic. Born and raised that way. Have been a Catholic for all my 53 years on this earth.

Yes, that creed is taught to us and we recite it at every Mass. In fact, I know it from memory. For the life of me, I do not understand what the criticism of it (and us?) is based upon.

UPDATE: As I perused the thread further, it became clear that Oxi Moran is _not_ criticizing me/us and so I re-worded my reply accordingly. Still, I do not see why we Catholics are so maligned.
 Quoting: ShockJock


Because of the word "apostolic" the Catholic church is not following the teachings of the aspostles who taught us to serve others and feed the poor.

Remember when Jesus criticized the Pharasees for talking the talk, but not walking the walk? Bingo!

The Catholic church and other organized religions, are not walking the walk as Jesus taught us.

So, in answer to your question, I think anyone would see the operative word to criticize here in the creed is apostolic. The Catholic church is showing the world with all their opulance, that it is anything but apostolic. If they sold all the gold on their altars, and got the gold glitz out of their mass clothing, and truly served people as the apostles taught us, then they would be true Christians according to the teachings of Our Lord Jesus.

It is beautifully written and sums up all Christian faith (except for the word Catholic).
 Quoting: abeliever


The Catholic Church doesn't walk the walk? Please explain why you would say this? You must be unaware of the many Catholic charities and missions all over the world.

And more importantly, I know you are unaware that many individual Catholics live their faith more than you would believe, and the saints are just a small fraction of them.
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Sorry not trying to be a jerk it just obviously irks me when somebody says my faith is a faith without works, as I'm sure it would irk you. Catholics are not as different from other Christians as you might think, not at all.
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Nope. Arianism was debated at Nicea 56 years earlier not Constantinople, and even Nicea didn't present a developed trinity. And this is almost four centuries after Jesus. Fact is the holy spirit wasn't even promoted to person- and Godhood at Nicea. And even after Nicea several bishops retracted the votes they felt they were pressured into. Constantine himself also converted back to Arianism and Arianism remained the dominant faith in East Rome. The trinity was invented between the 4th and 7th century after Jesus' earthly ministry. A man-made lie.

Not that I care about any of this; I don't do man-made doctrines invented by apostate bishopes. According to the Bible, Jesus, God Himself, the prophets of the Most High God, there is one Most High God, YHWH alone. Jesus called Him Father. According to your own words, Jesus was a heretic. That says all I need to know about your faith.
 Quoting: Monotheism


Jesus said: "Before the world was, I Am." I Am is the name of God revealed to Moses in the burning bush. He also said "I am in the Father and the Father is in me. Anyone who knows me knows the Father."

Regarding the Holy Spirit, that one is even easier because Jesus said to the apostles "When I send you My Spirit..."
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No, Jesus said "ego eimi", God's name from Exodus 3:14 is "ego eimi ho on", "ho on" being emphasised. We know for a fact that Jesus is not YHWH, the Father alone is. Several passages and verses conclusively attest to that. And I've never heard a trinitarian call Jesus YHWH anyway. He's only YHWH when the ego eimi lie is being regurgitated for some reason. The reason being trinitarian apologists are compulsive liars peddling a false doctrine.

Yes, he said the Father as in him and he in the Father, and he also prayed that his followers would become one as they are one and one with them. No trinity their either. The holy spirit can absolutely not be reconciled with trinitarian dogma. No way. Which verse and chapter did Jesus say "When I send you My Spirit". And how is that "easy? There's a possessive pronoun. The holy spirit is referred to with possessive pronouns in relation to the Father/YHWH in several verses. That is inconsistent with trinitarian dogma where the holy spirit is a third separate person. Why the possessive terminology if it's a separate person?

Thread: Another trinitarian contradiction; who would be speaking through the disciples?

Thread: Trinitarian inconsistency. No one knows the Father except the Son

Thread: Matthew 24:36 according to...
 Quoting: Monotheism


You know what, I might have been wrong about both of those Bible verses, you got me. I obviously need to check myself before I try to share or defend what Catholics believe. We believe that there is one God though, and that the Trinity is both three and one. Here is a Catholic defense for the Trinity. [link to www.catholic.com]
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No, you (Catholics and other trinitarians alike) does not believe in one God, you pay lipservice to the concept, but you believe in three Gods but are forbidden by the church to admit it. Three Gods in one substance is still three Gods.

You should check out the links in my signature.

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Jesus said: "Before the world was, I Am." I Am is the name of God revealed to Moses in the burning bush. He also said "I am in the Father and the Father is in me. Anyone who knows me knows the Father."

Regarding the Holy Spirit, that one is even easier because Jesus said to the apostles "When I send you My Spirit..."
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No, Jesus said "ego eimi", God's name from Exodus 3:14 is "ego eimi ho on", "ho on" being emphasised. We know for a fact that Jesus is not YHWH, the Father alone is. Several passages and verses conclusively attest to that. And I've never heard a trinitarian call Jesus YHWH anyway. He's only YHWH when the ego eimi lie is being regurgitated for some reason. The reason being trinitarian apologists are compulsive liars peddling a false doctrine.

Yes, he said the Father as in him and he in the Father, and he also prayed that his followers would become one as they are one and one with them. No trinity their either. The holy spirit can absolutely not be reconciled with trinitarian dogma. No way. Which verse and chapter did Jesus say "When I send you My Spirit". And how is that "easy? There's a possessive pronoun. The holy spirit is referred to with possessive pronouns in relation to the Father/YHWH in several verses. That is inconsistent with trinitarian dogma where the holy spirit is a third separate person. Why the possessive terminology if it's a separate person?

Thread: Another trinitarian contradiction; who would be speaking through the disciples?

Thread: Trinitarian inconsistency. No one knows the Father except the Son

Thread: Matthew 24:36 according to...
 Quoting: Monotheism


You know what, I might have been wrong about both of those Bible verses, you got me. I obviously need to check myself before I try to share or defend what Catholics believe. We believe that there is one God though, and that the Trinity is both three and one. Here is a Catholic defense for the Trinity. [link to www.catholic.com]
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No, you (Catholics and other trinitarians alike) does not believe in one God, you pay lipservice to the concept, but you believe in three Gods but are forbidden by the church to admit it. Three Gods in one substance is still three Gods.

You should check out the links in my signature.
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Dude trust me, Catholics believe in one God. You clearly didn't read my link. It's actually the first line of the Nicene Creed that is the topic of this thread.
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No, Jesus said "ego eimi", God's name from Exodus 3:14 is "ego eimi ho on", "ho on" being emphasised. We know for a fact that Jesus is not YHWH, the Father alone is. Several passages and verses conclusively attest to that. And I've never heard a trinitarian call Jesus YHWH anyway. He's only YHWH when the ego eimi lie is being regurgitated for some reason. The reason being trinitarian apologists are compulsive liars peddling a false doctrine.

Yes, he said the Father as in him and he in the Father, and he also prayed that his followers would become one as they are one and one with them. No trinity their either. The holy spirit can absolutely not be reconciled with trinitarian dogma. No way. Which verse and chapter did Jesus say "When I send you My Spirit". And how is that "easy? There's a possessive pronoun. The holy spirit is referred to with possessive pronouns in relation to the Father/YHWH in several verses. That is inconsistent with trinitarian dogma where the holy spirit is a third separate person. Why the possessive terminology if it's a separate person?

Thread: Another trinitarian contradiction; who would be speaking through the disciples?

Thread: Trinitarian inconsistency. No one knows the Father except the Son

Thread: Matthew 24:36 according to...
 Quoting: Monotheism


You know what, I might have been wrong about both of those Bible verses, you got me. I obviously need to check myself before I try to share or defend what Catholics believe. We believe that there is one God though, and that the Trinity is both three and one. Here is a Catholic defense for the Trinity. [link to www.catholic.com]
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No, you (Catholics and other trinitarians alike) does not believe in one God, you pay lipservice to the concept, but you believe in three Gods but are forbidden by the church to admit it. Three Gods in one substance is still three Gods.

You should check out the links in my signature.
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Dude trust me, Catholics believe in one God. You clearly didn't read my link. It's actually the first line of the Nicene Creed that is the topic of this thread.
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Where did you hear that Catholics don't believe there is one God? We believe that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are one, as did almost all Christians throughout Christian history including most non-Catholic Christians today. Jesus said "Go forth and baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.
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God Bless the Catholics. The only ones who stood up to European invaders.
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The trinity ...

What a fraud.
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So what? What do you believe? What are you trying to say is wrong with what Catholics believe?wtf
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I am a traditional Roman Catholic from the society of St Pius the Tenth (SSPX) and our priests recite this in Latin during mass.
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No, Jesus said "ego eimi", God's name from Exodus 3:14 is "ego eimi ho on", "ho on" being emphasised. We know for a fact that Jesus is not YHWH, the Father alone is. Several passages and verses conclusively attest to that. And I've never heard a trinitarian call Jesus YHWH anyway. He's only YHWH when the ego eimi lie is being regurgitated for some reason. The reason being trinitarian apologists are compulsive liars peddling a false doctrine.

Yes, he said the Father as in him and he in the Father, and he also prayed that his followers would become one as they are one and one with them. No trinity their either. The holy spirit can absolutely not be reconciled with trinitarian dogma. No way. Which verse and chapter did Jesus say "When I send you My Spirit". And how is that "easy? There's a possessive pronoun. The holy spirit is referred to with possessive pronouns in relation to the Father/YHWH in several verses. That is inconsistent with trinitarian dogma where the holy spirit is a third separate person. Why the possessive terminology if it's a separate person?

Thread: Another trinitarian contradiction; who would be speaking through the disciples?

Thread: Trinitarian inconsistency. No one knows the Father except the Son

Thread: Matthew 24:36 according to...
 Quoting: Monotheism


You know what, I might have been wrong about both of those Bible verses, you got me. I obviously need to check myself before I try to share or defend what Catholics believe. We believe that there is one God though, and that the Trinity is both three and one. Here is a Catholic defense for the Trinity. [link to www.catholic.com]
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No, you (Catholics and other trinitarians alike) does not believe in one God, you pay lipservice to the concept, but you believe in three Gods but are forbidden by the church to admit it. Three Gods in one substance is still three Gods.

You should check out the links in my signature.
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Dude trust me, Catholics believe in one God. You clearly didn't read my link. It's actually the first line of the Nicene Creed that is the topic of this thread.
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The first line in the original Nicene Creed is:

"I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible."

That's not what Catholics believe. Thar is what is asserted before the creed expounds on the allaged nature of the son, and later revised in the The Niceno–Constantinopolitan Creed and further expounded on in the Athanasian Creed and the Catechism. They don't believe that the Father alone is the only God (which is what the Bible teaches). In fact they consider that a heresy. They also believe that the holy spirit and the son are persons separate from the Father and fully God themselves. One, two, three.

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You know what, I might have been wrong about both of those Bible verses, you got me. I obviously need to check myself before I try to share or defend what Catholics believe. We believe that there is one God though, and that the Trinity is both three and one. Here is a Catholic defense for the Trinity. [link to www.catholic.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37428371


No, you (Catholics and other trinitarians alike) does not believe in one God, you pay lipservice to the concept, but you believe in three Gods but are forbidden by the church to admit it. Three Gods in one substance is still three Gods.

You should check out the links in my signature.
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Dude trust me, Catholics believe in one God. You clearly didn't read my link. It's actually the first line of the Nicene Creed that is the topic of this thread.
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The first line in the original Nicene Creed is:

"I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible."

That's not what Catholics believe. Thar is what is asserted before the creed expounds on the allaged nature of the son, and later revised in the The Niceno–Constantinopolitan Creed and further expounded on in the Athanasian Creed and the Catechism. They don't believe that the Father alone is the only God (which is what the Bible teaches). In fact they consider that a heresy. They also believe that the holy spirit and the son are persons separate from the Father and fully God themselves. One, two, three.
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John 1:1 - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
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You know what, I might have been wrong about both of those Bible verses, you got me. I obviously need to check myself before I try to share or defend what Catholics believe. We believe that there is one God though, and that the Trinity is both three and one. Here is a Catholic defense for the Trinity. [link to www.catholic.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37428371


No, you (Catholics and other trinitarians alike) does not believe in one God, you pay lipservice to the concept, but you believe in three Gods but are forbidden by the church to admit it. Three Gods in one substance is still three Gods.

You should check out the links in my signature.
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Dude trust me, Catholics believe in one God. You clearly didn't read my link. It's actually the first line of the Nicene Creed that is the topic of this thread.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13071576


The first line in the original Nicene Creed is:

"I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible."

That's not what Catholics believe. Thar is what is asserted before the creed expounds on the allaged nature of the son, and later revised in the The Niceno–Constantinopolitan Creed and further expounded on in the Athanasian Creed and the Catechism. They don't believe that the Father alone is the only God (which is what the Bible teaches). In fact they consider that a heresy. They also believe that the holy spirit and the son are persons separate from the Father and fully God themselves. One, two, three.
 Quoting: Monotheism


It's very common knowledge that Catholics believe that there is one God, not three. Jesus says "I and the Father are one" and does things that only God can do, like forgive sins by His own authority. And by the way, Jesus did refer to himself as "I Am," the name of God, 4 times in John. Thomas calls Jesus "My Lord and my God." I could go on for a while, but an article about it was already written so here's the link: [link to www.catholic.com]
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Fascinating as usual to see ALL the Laodiceans, so steadfast in their "Beliefs" that they are unable to consider The Witness Of THE WORD...

Jesus: "No man Cometh Unto The Father But BY ME!" John 14:6


catholics got no heart for that Witness. Most Christians either. None of you Hebrews 12 Bastards can tumble to HIS Meaning.

So what do "Beliefs" matter?


Holy Spirit Told me in March 2004: "Anyone who ever Loved Christ Jesus with a True heart, even if only as a child, will not be lost or condemned".

Yet, not being "lost or condemned" is not same as being Born-Again... Loving God, but being unable to manifest your heart to HIM still makes you a Failed-Vessel.


Think the Christians who had done "mighty works, cast-out demons, and prophesied IN HIS Name" per Matt 7:22 didn't Love HIM? They Did!

Yet HE Says in verse 21 that HE Only Knows those "Who DO The Will Of My Father Which Art In Heaven".

Only by Being Born-Again are we Enabled to Know and DO God's Will. Such is the Ezekiel 36:26-27 Concise Born-Again Witness.


You Love HIM?
You try and be a "good catholic" or whatever denomination you identify with; but, you just ain't got the heart to let God Guide your life....

So, you don't make your surrender, and you never are Born-Again.... You remain carnal-hearted and apart/unKnown By Father.

Jesus Witnesses those who weren't Born-Again, but expect HIM to Know them will be REJECTED!

"Depart from ME, you who work iniquity; I KNOW You NOT!"



Knowing is what matters.
Your Beliefs are not enough.
NOT Enough For God!


It is an amazing time to be alive.
Yet, unless you are Born-Again, you have almost NOTHING of all that God Wants To Give You!


You do have all your conjecture and rationalizations; but they are nothing to God...


catholicism denies The Gospel and God's Plan.
Christians that can't manifest their hearts are no different.

Just as Christ says about Laodiceans in Revelation ch 3. Wretches who think what they have is worth something...


Only Relationship With God Matters.
Only ONE WAY to Be Brought Into HIS Accord.
Have to surrender self and Trust HIM Fully.

Many are Called, but few Choose to Answer HIS Call.


Most here can't even Hear HIS Call; too busy mouthing off about things they have no Knowledge of.
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No, you (Catholics and other trinitarians alike) does not believe in one God, you pay lipservice to the concept, but you believe in three Gods but are forbidden by the church to admit it. Three Gods in one substance is still three Gods.

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Dude trust me, Catholics believe in one God. You clearly didn't read my link. It's actually the first line of the Nicene Creed that is the topic of this thread.
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The first line in the original Nicene Creed is:

"I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible."

That's not what Catholics believe. Thar is what is asserted before the creed expounds on the allaged nature of the son, and later revised in the The Niceno–Constantinopolitan Creed and further expounded on in the Athanasian Creed and the Catechism. They don't believe that the Father alone is the only God (which is what the Bible teaches). In fact they consider that a heresy. They also believe that the holy spirit and the son are persons separate from the Father and fully God themselves. One, two, three.
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John 1:1 - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
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That's because you don't know what the logos is.

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No, you (Catholics and other trinitarians alike) does not believe in one God, you pay lipservice to the concept, but you believe in three Gods but are forbidden by the church to admit it. Three Gods in one substance is still three Gods.

You should check out the links in my signature.
 Quoting: Monotheism


Dude trust me, Catholics believe in one God. You clearly didn't read my link. It's actually the first line of the Nicene Creed that is the topic of this thread.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13071576


The first line in the original Nicene Creed is:

"I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible."

That's not what Catholics believe. Thar is what is asserted before the creed expounds on the allaged nature of the son, and later revised in the The Niceno–Constantinopolitan Creed and further expounded on in the Athanasian Creed and the Catechism. They don't believe that the Father alone is the only God (which is what the Bible teaches). In fact they consider that a heresy. They also believe that the holy spirit and the son are persons separate from the Father and fully God themselves. One, two, three.
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It's very common knowledge that Catholics believe that there is one God, not three. Jesus says "I and the Father are one" and does things that only God can do, like forgive sins by His own authority. And by the way, Jesus did refer to himself as "I Am," the name of God, 4 times in John. Thomas calls Jesus "My Lord and my God." I could go on for a while, but an article about it was already written so here's the link: [link to www.catholic.com]
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They are one in purpose as revealed by context. He also prayed for his followers to become one as they are one, and one with them. Are you expecting being promoted to God too any time soon?

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And Jesus sais ego eimi, not the divine name in Exodus 3:14 which is "ego eimi ho on", "ho un" the subject of emphasis. You have three Gods, Jesus the Father and the holy spirit. Three. Claiming they are as one or of one substance does not change the fact that there three separate being called fully God. Three!
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Dude trust me, Catholics believe in one God. You clearly didn't read my link. It's actually the first line of the Nicene Creed that is the topic of this thread.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13071576


The first line in the original Nicene Creed is:

"I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible."

That's not what Catholics believe. Thar is what is asserted before the creed expounds on the allaged nature of the son, and later revised in the The Niceno–Constantinopolitan Creed and further expounded on in the Athanasian Creed and the Catechism. They don't believe that the Father alone is the only God (which is what the Bible teaches). In fact they consider that a heresy. They also believe that the holy spirit and the son are persons separate from the Father and fully God themselves. One, two, three.
 Quoting: Monotheism


It's very common knowledge that Catholics believe that there is one God, not three. Jesus says "I and the Father are one" and does things that only God can do, like forgive sins by His own authority. And by the way, Jesus did refer to himself as "I Am," the name of God, 4 times in John. Thomas calls Jesus "My Lord and my God." I could go on for a while, but an article about it was already written so here's the link: [link to www.catholic.com]
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They are one in purpose as revealed by context. He also prayed for his followers to become one as they are one, and one with them. Are you expecting being promoted to God too any time soon?

[link to www.biblicalunitarian.com]

And Jesus sais ego eimi, not the divine name in Exodus 3:14 which is "ego eimi ho on", "ho un" the subject of emphasis. You have three Gods, Jesus the Father and the holy spirit. Three. Claiming they are as one or of one substance does not change the fact that there three separate being called fully God. Three!
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Jesus never said that his apostles could be God. The New Testament says countless times that Christians are one... in Christ. My Catholic High School's motto (Marist in Eugene, Oregon) was "We are one." The Bible says countless times that Jesus is God. [link to carm.org (secure)] Out of curiosity, what denomination are you?
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The first line in the original Nicene Creed is:

"I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible."

That's not what Catholics believe. Thar is what is asserted before the creed expounds on the allaged nature of the son, and later revised in the The Niceno–Constantinopolitan Creed and further expounded on in the Athanasian Creed and the Catechism. They don't believe that the Father alone is the only God (which is what the Bible teaches). In fact they consider that a heresy. They also believe that the holy spirit and the son are persons separate from the Father and fully God themselves. One, two, three.
 Quoting: Monotheism


It's very common knowledge that Catholics believe that there is one God, not three. Jesus says "I and the Father are one" and does things that only God can do, like forgive sins by His own authority. And by the way, Jesus did refer to himself as "I Am," the name of God, 4 times in John. Thomas calls Jesus "My Lord and my God." I could go on for a while, but an article about it was already written so here's the link: [link to www.catholic.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37428371


They are one in purpose as revealed by context. He also prayed for his followers to become one as they are one, and one with them. Are you expecting being promoted to God too any time soon?

[link to www.biblicalunitarian.com]

And Jesus sais ego eimi, not the divine name in Exodus 3:14 which is "ego eimi ho on", "ho un" the subject of emphasis. You have three Gods, Jesus the Father and the holy spirit. Three. Claiming they are as one or of one substance does not change the fact that there three separate being called fully God. Three!
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Jesus never said that his apostles could be God. The New Testament says countless times that Christians are one... in Christ. My Catholic High School's motto (Marist in Eugene, Oregon) was "We are one." The Bible says countless times that Jesus is God. [link to carm.org (secure)] Out of curiosity, what denomination are you?
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Also, you clearly have a similar respect and love for Jesus as me, you just have a different view of God I guess. As many Catholics and I'm sure other Christians often come to know, we agree about much more than we disagree about and our faiths are much more similar than we realize.





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