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What Catholics really believe!!!! It's all in the Nicene Crede!!!!
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It was a view held by the Church fathers before the First Council of Constantinople.
It was only had to be adopted as an offical statement as response to the heresy known was Arianism, which is same heresy you Unitarians adopted in the 1500's.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68782876 Nope. Arianism was debated at Nicea 56 years earlier not Constantinople, and even Nicea didn't present a developed trinity. And this is almost four centuries after Jesus. Fact is the holy spirit wasn't even promoted to person- and Godhood at Nicea. And even after Nicea several bishops retracted the votes they felt they were pressured into. Constantine himself also converted back to Arianism and Arianism remained the dominant faith in East Rome. The trinity was invented between the 4th and 7th century after Jesus' earthly ministry. A man-made lie. Not that I care about any of this; I don't do man-made doctrines invented by apostate bishopes. According to the Bible, Jesus, God Himself, the prophets of the Most High God, there is one Most High God, YHWH alone. Jesus called Him Father. According to your own words, Jesus was a heretic. That says all I need to know about your faith. Jesus said: "Before the world was, I Am." I Am is the name of God revealed to Moses in the burning bush. He also said "I am in the Father and the Father is in me. Anyone who knows me knows the Father." Regarding the Holy Spirit, that one is even easier because Jesus said to the apostles "When I send you My Spirit..." No, Jesus said "ego eimi", God's name from Exodus 3:14 is "ego eimi ho on", "ho on" being emphasised. We know for a fact that Jesus is not YHWH, the Father alone is. Several passages and verses conclusively attest to that. And I've never heard a trinitarian call Jesus YHWH anyway. He's only YHWH when the ego eimi lie is being regurgitated for some reason. The reason being trinitarian apologists are compulsive liars peddling a false doctrine. Yes, he said the Father as in him and he in the Father, and he also prayed that his followers would become one as they are one and one with them. No trinity their either. The holy spirit can absolutely not be reconciled with trinitarian dogma. No way. Which verse and chapter did Jesus say "When I send you My Spirit". And how is that "easy? There's a possessive pronoun. The holy spirit is referred to with possessive pronouns in relation to the Father/YHWH in several verses. That is inconsistent with trinitarian dogma where the holy spirit is a third separate person. Why the possessive terminology if it's a separate person? Thread: Another trinitarian contradiction; who would be speaking through the disciples? Thread: Trinitarian inconsistency. No one knows the Father except the Son Thread: Matthew 24:36 according to... You know what, I might have been wrong about both of those Bible verses, you got me. I obviously need to check myself before I try to share or defend what Catholics believe. We believe that there is one God though, and that the Trinity is both three and one. Here is a Catholic defense for the Trinity. [ link to www.catholic.com]
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