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People are kept from real Truth and Knowledge by labeling the information and the messenger as evil. Then weak people are afraid to explore it.

 
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People are kept from real Truth and Knowledge by labeling the information and the messenger as evil. Then weak people are afraid to explore it.
Fear is our worst and most potent enemy. All you have to do to keep weak minded and lost people from real Truth and Knowledge is to label the information(book, message, messenger) as evil and people will avoid it like the plague.

Only those brave and wise enough to think for themselves will make up their own minds.
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Weak minded people won't even consider the message themselves. They will simply believe what other deceivers tell them.

They will parrot what others have spouted and never even consider what they are missing.

Only the brave ever explore beyond the boundaries given to humanity.
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Re: People are kept from real Truth and Knowledge by labeling the information and the messenger as evil. Then weak people are afraid to explore it.
Some of the most profound and best sources of Truth that I have ever found were from sources that others labeled as "evil" or "dangerous".
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Re: People are kept from real Truth and Knowledge by labeling the information and the messenger as evil. Then weak people are afraid to explore it.
Conditioning begins very young...you have to have a rebel mentality to free yourself and find truth..and when you find it you will be disturbed.
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Re: People are kept from real Truth and Knowledge by labeling the information and the messenger as evil. Then weak people are afraid to explore it.
How can you believe since you accept glory from one another but do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?

John 5:44


..call good evil and evil good.
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Re: People are kept from real Truth and Knowledge by labeling the information and the messenger as evil. Then weak people are afraid to explore it.
If you really are searching for Truth, read everything that you can get your hands on! There is absolutely NOTHING that you can read, watch, hear or see that can harm you as long as you are strong at heart.

This is YOUR journey, YOUR trial, YOUR labyrinth to solve. How are you going to do that if you believe what others tell you?

Be brave!
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How can you believe since you accept glory from one another but do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?

John 5:44


..call good evil and evil good.
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Truth, but...

This from a person that only follows one book!
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Conditioning begins very young...you have to have a rebel mentality to free yourself and find truth..and when you find it you will be disturbed.
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Yes. It requires effort, courage and wisdom to find your Truth Path Home.

You will never find the Truth by only listening to others.
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I don't think anyone really knows the "truth" ....
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09/28/2015 02:16 PM
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It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.
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Re: People are kept from real Truth and Knowledge by labeling the information and the messenger as evil. Then weak people are afraid to explore it.
Here are a few books that I always keep close to me and that I have found much Truth. I am NOT telling you to read them or to even read them! These are sources of Truth for me.

* Buckminster Fuller - Synergetics
* Fulcanelli - Le Mystere des Cathedrales and Dwellings of the Philosophers
* Aleister Crowley - Book of Thoth
* Albert Pike - Morals and Dogma

Decide for yourselves what is real Truth!
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I don't think anyone really knows the "truth" ....
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That is what people that are not looking always say.
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It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.
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Well stated.

Op, I'm with you. I'm not sure if I'll fine my way all the way to truh, but I'm overjoyed to release the shackles of indoctrination and programming at any cost! Nice thread.
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It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.
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A minority of ONE!!!
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Re: People are kept from real Truth and Knowledge by labeling the information and the messenger as evil. Then weak people are afraid to explore it.
That is why "paganism" had to be demonized and its gods made into "devils".

That would be a good place to start, IMO.
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Re: People are kept from real Truth and Knowledge by labeling the information and the messenger as evil. Then weak people are afraid to explore it.
Label any knowledge as evil and people will avoid it like the plague! Even though they never even read one page of what is written! Not one single page.

Look at how many people label people like Pike and Crowley as evil, even though they have never read a single page of any of their writings.

Judge the message, NOT the messenger!
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How can you believe since you accept glory from one another but do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?

John 5:44


..call good evil and evil good.
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I can quote Harry Potter - doesnt mean I'm not completely wrong.

The whole point of what the OP is saying is you need to open your mind and be willing to consider that your truth may not actually be true. You clearly cannot do that if you're going to respond with quotes from a work of fiction.
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That is why "paganism" had to be demonized and its gods made into "devils".

That would be a good place to start, IMO.
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EXACTLY!

And Gnosticism, Celtic beliefs, Tarot, Runes, Occult. The list is endless.
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How can you believe since you accept glory from one another but do not seek the glory that comes from the only God?

John 5:44


..call good evil and evil good.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69160624



I can quote Harry Potter - doesnt mean I'm not completely wrong.

The whole point of what the OP is saying is you need to open your mind and be willing to consider that your truth may not actually be true. You clearly cannot do that if you're going to respond with quotes from a work of fiction.
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Agreed.
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Re: People are kept from real Truth and Knowledge by labeling the information and the messenger as evil. Then weak people are afraid to explore it.
People will get angry and argue for hours on end that the bible is the ONLY real Truth, when they have never even considered other books!

HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT IF YOU HAVE NEVER READ THEM?

Ignorance is NEVER bliss.

Read everything, then decide what is lies and what is Truth for yourself!
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I have tried to discuss esoteric issues with Christians I know. They will argue and quote scripture for hours, while never having read anything but the bible.

How can people be so blind?
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Re: People are kept from real Truth and Knowledge by labeling the information and the messenger as evil. Then weak people are afraid to explore it.
Ask anyone here, especially a Christian, what they think of Aleister Crowley. Ha,ha!

They say that he was a Satanist, a baby eater, an evil "Beast".

Then ask them if they read any of his books? No.

Read a biography of the man? No.

Met anyone that actually met the man? No.

So, how do you know that he was what he has been described as?

By what people on websites say about him!!!

How crazy is that!
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According to Scandinavian legends, I am a descendent of Odin, through Princess Aslaug, wife of Ragnar Lothbrok.




I have been studying and meditating on the runes lately.


Yes, knowledge and wisdom has been hidden away from the world, in my opinion -- and much of that is the result of the demonization of the cultural heritage of our "pagan" predecessors.

Hell, sometimes even genealogy itself may have been a bit of a conspiracy, perhaps.



But be careful, much of our "heathen" heritage has been co-opted and abused, IMO, by various groups and individuals, who don't really study them in depth, have only a cloudy or even completely mistaken understanding of them, and have agendas they wish to put forward, often abusing history and tradition.


Basically, I think you are very right, though.
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People on this damn site will argue and post for hours on end about the so called bible. They will post scripture. They will argue what Jesus was supposed to have said.

BUT, they would not even consider a thread like this! Why? Because it disturbs them! It makes them feel insecure.

Because they actually read very little...
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Re: People are kept from real Truth and Knowledge by labeling the information and the messenger as evil. Then weak people are afraid to explore it.
But be careful, much of our "heathen" heritage has been co-opted and abused, IMO, by various groups and individuals, who don't really study them in depth, have only a cloudy or even completely mistaken understanding of them, and have agendas they wish to put forward, often abusing history and tradition.

Basically, I think you are very right, though.
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Be careful? No, be courageous and be wise.
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Re: People are kept from real Truth and Knowledge by labeling the information and the messenger as evil. Then weak people are afraid to explore it.
Why do people go to a preacher/priest?

Why do they desire to have a guru, teacher, master, sage, leader or a guide?

Why do people read what other say about books or writings?

Because people want to be told what to do, what to believe and what to read. They LIKE being led! They feel more comfortable being told what to believe, what our world is about and who God really is.

It is easier than having to explore it themselves.

That is why they stay a slave...
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"Be careful? No, be courageous and be wise."


Being wise means being careful/wary, IMO.

But, yes, we must be courageous as well.


That was a cardinal virtue, courage, for the bad ignorant "pagan" predecessors of Christian Europe.
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"Be careful? No, be courageous and be wise."


Being wise means being careful/wary, IMO.

But, yes, we must be courageous as well.


That was a cardinal virtue, courage, for the bad ignorant "pagan" predecessors of Christian Europe.
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The American Indians constantly told their children to "be brave". Not just in battle, but in life.

We only grow when we are brave enough to explore, both our physical world and the metaphysical one.
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Native Americans -- perfect example.


Their ancestry was often covered up by missionaries -- especially the Jesuits.

They didn't want the descendants of natives to even know they had "pagan" ancestors.


Shameful what western institutions like that did.
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Native Americans -- perfect example.


Their ancestry was often covered up by missionaries -- especially the Jesuits.

They didn't want the descendants of natives to even know they had "pagan" ancestors.


Shameful what western institutions like that did.
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Any culture that still had knowledge of what our world was about were systematically destroyed and labeled as "barbaric", "uncivilized" or evil.

Ignorant people accepted this view without ever considering what these cultures understood of our world for themselves.
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Never mind. Another waste of my time...





GLP