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Anonymous Coward User ID: 70102859 ![]() 10/01/2015 01:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Protestants invented a doctrine called Sola Scriptura, which basically teaches that Christianity should be "based on the Bible." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63805196 There are a few logical problems with this, however. 1.) It was the Church that decided which books are canonical. By accepting the books of the Bible and in that order, you implicitly accept Church authority. Martin Luther removed some books of the Old Testament. (Yes, Catholic Bibles have are longer.) He also almost removed 2 Peter and James from the New Testament because he felt that they contradicted his novel ideas of Christianity. Why don't you Protestants develop your own Bible canon, since you don't believe in the Church's spiritual authority? A lot of early Christians included the Didache in their canon, for instance. Some considered the epistles of the Bishop Ignatius as scripture, as well. 2.) If you read all the earliest church fathers (the so-called "Apostolic Fathers") you'll see that the Church has been clearly catholic since the beginning. Do you know what catholic means? It comes from the Greek katholicos, which means 'universal.' Ignatius was the first to call it that in 107 AD on his way to martyrdom. By the way, Ignatius was a disciple of and ordained by the Apostle John. Two other of John's disciples whose writings survive are the Bishops Polycarp and Clement. (It's interesting to note that Clement, the 4th bishop of Rome, wrote a letter in approx. 96 AD to correct the teaching of the Phillipines. Ignatius also described the church at Rome as "presiding in love" over all churches.) 3.) What do you think the earliest Christians did without a New Testament?! The only "scripture" that existed was the Old Testament. When Paul was writing his epistles to various churches, there literally was no NT yet! Christianity is a communal thing; they would be baptized into the church by the bishop, who was the spiritual leader of a particular flock and, according to Ignatius, ought to be obeyed "as the Lord Himself." The reason why the NT doesn't directly address the structure of the church is because it wasn't necessary. All the Christians Paul was writing to would have known about the sacraments, apostolic succession, etc. (Although, these things are briefly alluded to here and there throughout the NT.) Imagine a US Congressman writing a letter to another Congressman. Would he need to spend a few paragraphs outlining the structure of the federal government? No, because it's understood that the Congressman already knows that there exists a Congress and a president and a court system. It was the same thing with the NT writers. However, Ignatius offers a rare glimpse into early Christian life by extolling the virtues of key catholic aspects of the church. He talks about the importance of the celebration of the Eucharist, the "beauty" of how the bishop and presbyters, along with the faithful, together contain the fullness of the church when celebrating the Eucharist. He talks about the importance the apostolic succession and the need to be wary of those who wish to cause division by disregarding the bishop's holy authority. There's a lot he talks about this sort of stuff, actually, and you would do well to read his and other Apostolic Fathers' writings online. Polycarp was called upon to settle an interesting dispute in Rome. There was an early group of heretics who wanted to disregard the bishop of Rome, claiming that, because he didn't personally know the Apostles, he had no authority over them. Polycarp, who was a disciple of John, travelled to Rome. When the heretics saw him, they were in awe. They asked him what they should do. Polycarp's answer? Obey the bishop. In the early church, the union of the faithful to the bishop was of ultimate importance. It was believed that, outside of this sacred bond, there could be no union with Christ because Christ established His church as both a spiritual body AND a visible gathering centered around the mystery of the Eucharist. According to Ignatius, Jesus ordained the Apostles as bishops the night of the Last Supper. From the beginning, the church was a VISIBLE community run by the Apostlea and the ones whom they annointed as bishops. This succession of bishops (apostolic succession) continues to this day. Martin Luther even felt guilty about protesting the Catholic Church because he knew all this. This is why, when he created the Lutheran Church, he sought to maintain the "ancient traditions." The only reason why many Protestants today (like the evangelicals) have none of this is because they took the false doctrine of Sola Scripture to its logical extreme, as well as the fact that most are completely ignorant of Christian history prior to the Protestant Reformation. But, according to countless early church fathers, "replicating" the church is not good enough. Even if bishops decide to form their own church and celebrate the sacraments, without the ecclesiastical unity there is nothing. So important and vital is this unity with the Church that, without it, no heretics or schismatics or pagans can share in eternal life. Even if someone who had knowingly rejected the true faith sheds their blood for Christ, his sacrifice is meaningless. Salvation does not exist outside of the Church, and all who end up receiving life will do so through the Church, because the Church is the Body of Christ. (That's not to say that a non-Catholic can't be saved, or that a professing Catholic will automatically be saved. It just means that anyone who receives life will through the Church.) Jesus said you'll know a tree by it's fruit. Look at the fruits of Protestantism. In a mere five hundred or so years, you have thousands of sects with zero sense of doctrinal agreement or spiritual authority. The faulty notion of Sola Scriptura has led millions to arrogantly become their own teachers, prophets and popes. A house divided can't stand. The ever-increasing discord of Protestantism is contrary to God's Will. It's absurd, but Protestants are so used to it that they have to invent novel ideas about the church being an "invisible community" who share "any doctrines" they want. It's absolutely absurd and the work of Satan, who plants the seeds of confusion and dissent. YOU ARE DECEIVED |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 69160624 ![]() 10/01/2015 02:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus said you'll know a tree by it's fruit. Look at the fruits of Protestantism. In a mere five hundred or so years, you have thousands of sects with zero sense of doctrinal agreement or spiritual authority. The faulty notion of Sola Scriptura has led millions to arrogantly become their own teachers, prophets and popes. A house divided can't stand. The ever-increasing discord of Protestantism is contrary to God's Will. It's absurd, but Protestants are so used to it that they have to invent novel ideas about the church being an "invisible community" who share "any doctrines" they want. It's absolutely absurd and the work of Satan, who plants the seeds of confusion and dissent. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63805196 YOU ARE DECEIVED Since there is an "elect" group that won't be deceived, that means everyone else will be. Now, you just have to figure out if 1.5 billion Catholic people amount to the elect. I would say not . But the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. John 14:26 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70442208 ![]() 10/01/2015 02:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus said you'll know a tree by it's fruit. Look at the fruits of Protestantism. In a mere five hundred or so years, you have thousands of sects with zero sense of doctrinal agreement or spiritual authority. The faulty notion of Sola Scriptura has led millions to arrogantly become their own teachers, prophets and popes. A house divided can't stand. The ever-increasing discord of Protestantism is contrary to God's Will. It's absurd, but Protestants are so used to it that they have to invent novel ideas about the church being an "invisible community" who share "any doctrines" they want. It's absolutely absurd and the work of Satan, who plants the seeds of confusion and dissent. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63805196 YOU ARE DECEIVED Since there is an "elect" group that won't be deceived, that means everyone else will be. Now, you just have to figure out if 1.5 billion Catholic people amount to the elect. I would say not . But the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. John 14:26 There are unfortunately not 1,5 billion proper catholics. Not even the pope is a catholic. If you are a catholic you have to reject the current anti-pope and his sect. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70451813 ![]() 10/01/2015 02:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | as a jew, I think Christianity is pure BS. but for the sake of discussion, catholics are right. jesus said peter would build his church, not martin luther. and since there is only one group claiming peter build their church, they are the legitimate church of jesus. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 13333803 ![]() 10/01/2015 02:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Protestants invented a doctrine called Sola Scriptura, which basically teaches that Christianity should be "based on the Bible." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63805196 There are a few logical problems with this, however. Note this top grade troll's subtle attack on truth by using an old trick. He "basically" sums up his thesis using his own framework and then attacks the outcome by claiming "problems" with it's logic! ![]() |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 63805196 ![]() 10/01/2015 02:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Your Bible is from Christ's Church. This the main difference between Catholicism and Protestantism: Protestants believe Christianity comes from the Bible, whereas Catholics believe the Bible comes from Christianity. How does a Protestant define or identify heresy and schism? They can't, because there's a Protestant group for literally any and every random religious idea you can imagine, and in order for Protestants to justify their religion' existence, their only option is to conclude thst the church is invisible and doctrine doesn't matter. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 63805196 ![]() 10/01/2015 02:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Protestants invented a doctrine called Sola Scriptura, which basically teaches that Christianity should be "based on the Bible." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63805196 There are a few logical problems with this, however. Note this top grade troll's subtle attack on truth by using an old trick. He "basically" sums up his thesis using his own framework and then attacks the outcome by claiming "problems" with it's logic! ![]() Protestants invented a "bible-based" Christianity. Christianity is older than the bible. (By bible, I mean NT.) Therefore, the bible is based on Christianity. The Protestants have it backwards. Jesus didn't hand us a copy of the NT the way Mohammed gave his followers a complete book. Jesus left a Church. There would be no NT without Christianity. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 13333803 ![]() 10/01/2015 02:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Protestants invented a doctrine called Sola Scriptura, which basically teaches that Christianity should be "based on the Bible." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63805196 There are a few logical problems with this, however. Note this top grade troll's subtle attack on truth by using an old trick. He "basically" sums up his thesis using his own framework and then attacks the outcome by claiming "problems" with it's logic! ![]() Protestants invented a "bible-based" Christianity. Christianity is older than the bible. (By bible, I mean NT.) Therefore, the bible is based on Christianity. The Protestants have it backwards. Jesus didn't hand us a copy of the NT the way Mohammed gave his followers a complete book. Jesus left a Church. There would be no NT without Christianity. Let's list the things the catholic church has invented! No. Let's don't. Some of the Babylonian influences can be overlooked, but making Mary "Co-redemptress" is BLASPHEMY. |
repatriated_one User ID: 67236501 ![]() 10/01/2015 02:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What Roman Catholics and Protestants don't realize, is that Gnosticism and the Coptic & Orthodox churches are all closer to the original Christianity. Quoting: Asuralikeproduction Many Catholics don't even understand their church is the one that drifted away from Orthodoxy. We all breathe the same air. .-.. --- ...- . / .- .-.. .-.. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69160624 ![]() 10/01/2015 02:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus said you'll know a tree by it's fruit. Look at the fruits of Protestantism. In a mere five hundred or so years, you have thousands of sects with zero sense of doctrinal agreement or spiritual authority. The faulty notion of Sola Scriptura has led millions to arrogantly become their own teachers, prophets and popes. A house divided can't stand. The ever-increasing discord of Protestantism is contrary to God's Will. It's absurd, but Protestants are so used to it that they have to invent novel ideas about the church being an "invisible community" who share "any doctrines" they want. It's absolutely absurd and the work of Satan, who plants the seeds of confusion and dissent. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63805196 YOU ARE DECEIVED Since there is an "elect" group that won't be deceived, that means everyone else will be. Now, you just have to figure out if 1.5 billion Catholic people amount to the elect. I would say not . But the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. John 14:26 There are unfortunately not 1,5 billion proper catholics. Not even the pope is a catholic. If you are a catholic you have to reject the current anti-pope and his sect. You need to reject all of the manmade teachings that go against Jesus' and the Father's command. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 63805196 ![]() 10/01/2015 02:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What Roman Catholics and Protestants don't realize, is that Gnosticism and the Coptic & Orthodox churches are all closer to the original Christianity. Quoting: Asuralikeproduction Regarding Gnosticism: During the first few centuries of Christianity, there were dozens of groups claiming gnosis, or "secret knowledge" of Jesus. They would actually write their own versions of the gospel, then hide them and "accidentally" discover them. St. Irenaeus, bishop of Lyons of disciple of Polycarp (who himself was disciple of the Apostle John), wrote a famous book called Against Heresies. He says that the easiest way to tell the true Christian faith is to consider that all the churhes in the known world (he was writing circa 180 AD) follow the same faith handed down from the Apostles, and that the various gnosis sects are localized groups that come and go every few years with no substance. Regarding the Oriental Orthodox and Eastern Orthodox Churches: Practically speaking, they're identical in doctrine and practice to the Catholic Church. At one point, were all in communion. The main point of contention between the Catholic and Orthodox is the role of the papacy. The Orthodox believe the pope is a place of symbolic honor, and the Catholic Church believes the papacy is a position created by Christ with spiritual authority. But if you look past this and a few esoteric theological disagreements, the Catholic and Orthodox churches are the same. The both have apostolic succesion, the sacraments, and so on. |
javierruizleon User ID: 41997929 ![]() 10/01/2015 02:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter" Galatians 2:7 "James, Cephas and John, those esteemed as pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the grace given to me. They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, and they to the circumcised." Galatians 2:9 Genesis-Acts,Hebrews-Revelation to, you know who Romans-Philemon to the Church Mid-Acts Pauline Dispensational Right Division |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70442208 ![]() 10/01/2015 02:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Since there is an "elect" group that won't be deceived, that means everyone else will be. Now, you just have to figure out if 1.5 billion Catholic people amount to the elect. I would say not . But the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. John 14:26 There are unfortunately not 1,5 billion proper catholics. Not even the pope is a catholic. If you are a catholic you have to reject the current anti-pope and his sect. You need to reject all of the manmade teachings that go against Jesus' and the Father's command. Then tell me which christian denomination is the true church. Which doctrines does a christian have to follow? Answer the question. |
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javierruizleon User ID: 41997929 ![]() 10/01/2015 02:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69160624 Since there is an "elect" group that won't be deceived, that means everyone else will be. Now, you just have to figure out if 1.5 billion Catholic people amount to the elect. I would say not . But the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. John 14:26 There are unfortunately not 1,5 billion proper catholics. Not even the pope is a catholic. If you are a catholic you have to reject the current anti-pope and his sect. You need to reject all of the manmade teachings that go against Jesus' and the Father's command. Then tell me which christian denomination is the true church. Which doctrines does a christian have to follow? Answer the question. The bible does not speak of "denomination" but the church started with Paul. It is his letters that are to the church. Genesis-Acts,Hebrews-Revelation to, you know who Romans-Philemon to the Church Mid-Acts Pauline Dispensational Right Division |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 60891689 ![]() 10/01/2015 02:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Protestants invented a doctrine called Sola Scriptura, which basically teaches that Christianity should be "based on the Bible." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63805196 There are a few logical problems with this, however. Note this top grade troll's subtle attack on truth by using an old trick. He "basically" sums up his thesis using his own framework and then attacks the outcome by claiming "problems" with it's logic! ![]() Protestants invented a "bible-based" Christianity. Christianity is older than the bible. (By bible, I mean NT.) Therefore, the bible is based on Christianity. The Protestants have it backwards. Jesus didn't hand us a copy of the NT the way Mohammed gave his followers a complete book. Jesus left a Church. There would be no NT without Christianity. The bible was written by the revelation of the Holy Spirit Who is supreme high priest according to the bible? Is it not God in the flesh? YET THE ROMAN KING WHON YOU CALL POPE DECLARES HIMSELF SUPREME PONTIFF WHICH MEANS HIGH PRIEST, OF THE UNIVERSAL CHURCH. THERE IS ONLY ONE UNIVERSAL CHURCH AND ONLY ONE GREAT HIGH PRIEST AND THRY BOTH BELONG TO THE ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST THE BEAST KING PONTIFF The 8 KING WHOM YOU CALL DADDY IS THE MAN OF SIN. SCRIPTURE PROVED IT LONG BEFORE THAT MAN OF SIN WAS REVEALED HE RIEGNS SUPREME FOR A PROPHETIC 1260 days THR BEAST KING PONTIFF OF ROME WHOM YOU CALL DADDY WAS SUPREME FOR 1260 years 538 ad to 1798 ad That is 1260 years During this reign of blasphemy your daddy murdered 100 million Christians who would not submit to the man of sin whom you call daddy Now you daddy has come in the form of a lamb With two horns And is speaking like the dragon who gave power to the first beast king pontiff of rome who ruled over all the kings of the earth from the city of seven hills for 1260 years but suffered a wound to one of its heads One of those you call daddy. The second beast which is how the one you call holy father and daddy Set up an image to the first beast king and his power He set up a plan to cause two world wars and tried to destroy all the jews from earth Then He fooled the kings into giving up their power to him So the one you call daddy has set up an image to the beast So that the beast king sovereign of rome becomes the only sovereign in the area the first beast used to have supreme power over ROME a d all its territories, |
Doomy Tunes User ID: 60228948 ![]() 10/01/2015 02:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Protestants invented a doctrine called Sola Scriptura, which basically teaches that Christianity should be "based on the Bible." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63805196 There are a few logical problems with this, however. Note this top grade troll's subtle attack on truth by using an old trick. He "basically" sums up his thesis using his own framework and then attacks the outcome by claiming "problems" with it's logic! ![]() Yay |