Nuclear Disaster Threatens Millions In The Heart Of The USA!

Where is "Homeland Security" when you really need them?

:dog1:

and it!

:-/

Great post op. 5 star pin request.

oh fuck off you flag fag.....

fuggin proxy japanese illegal immigrants again

go back to confusing the japanese...

show me where in the article the links aren't valid?....

ahh.. pffft... never mind... yer gone....

5*

Where is the smoke?

Does anyone have any footage of the fire? Sure, it is underground, but has to be spewing smoke out somewhere, I would think?


Here is a video, but no footage of the fire.

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]





Here is an underground coal fire that has been burning underground for FIFTY YEARS... but you see SMOKE:

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

sure

doom tards

Really good catch, OP. This is disturbing news.

Maybe this is what that exiting DHS lady was talking
about in her quote...Someone has known about this
"worst-case-scenario" for longer than just the last
year or 2. Why wasn't this addressed when the fire
BEGAN burning 5 years ago?

:NapoliWarns:
Remember this statement? Always wondered
what she was talking about.

Keep us up-dated on this, OP. Very sad news.

O'sCookie

This sent to me on the state of the Rad Detectors:
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This was a Facebook link flagged to me in closed group; however, for care of copyright, was searched down to content of the following article, thankyou to the member who alerted me ;)

[link to www.wsj.com]

[FB closed group snip/ as received]
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A national radiation-monitoring system enhanced after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks isn’t working as intended, with nearly three-quarters of stations not checking for a type of radiation in real time, including ones in New York, Chicago and Los Angeles.

Environmental Protection Agency officials confirmed 99 of 135 beta-radiation sensors in its RadNet system—which monitors in all 50 states, the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico—aren’t working and have been turned off. Officials blame electromagnetic interference from sources such as cellphone towers and said efforts to resolve the problem have been unsuccessful.

EPA officials said the beta-detection problem cropped up in 2006 when they started putting the real-time monitors into the field.

The agency can compensate for the lack of real-time beta data, officials said, by relying on each RadNet station’s gamma-radiation monitor, which hasn’t been affected by the interference. Almost all radionuclides that emit beta particles also emit gamma radiation, they said. Both types of radiation can cause cancer.

Some nuclear experts said that in an emergency, knowing as much as possible about whether beta or gamma emitters are present, and in which amounts, can be crucial for making decisions such as how large an area might need protective measures. In instances where only a beta emitter is present, the lack of a working monitor could leave officials unaware of potentially dangerous levels of contamination, they added.

The beta-monitoring issue could fuel critics who contend the EPA has been pulling back on its radiation-protection mission—an assertion the agency strongly disputes.

Gamma- and beta-emitting radionuclides can be carried by the wind long distances from a nuclear event, such as an explosion or power-plant accident. Gamma rays from those radionuclides can then travel hundreds of feet or more and penetrate objects, including human tissue, according to federal government websites. Beta particles generally travel only several feet from their emission source. While they can penetrate skin, their main health threat comes if inhaled or ingested in tainted food or water.

The EPA upgraded the RadNet system after 9/11 to monitor and transmit data on both types of radiation. While the attacks didn’t involve radioactive material, “one of the weaknesses identified in the post-9/11 reassessment of the RadNet air network was that decision makers were not receiving data quickly enough,” the EPA said in 2012.

Officials said they don’t know why some beta monitors still work, including locations in Phoenix, Dallas, Pittsburgh and Washington, D.C.

Real-time information on various types of radiation “is very important to the emergency-response community” because it could help determine the need for ordering evacuations or telling people to stay indoors, said Jim Hardeman, retired manager of the environmental radiation program at the Georgia Department of Natural Resources.

Federal officials said they can still obtain beta data by retrieving the filter from each monitoring station. These filters, which collect particles from air flowing through the machines, are sent to an EPA lab for analysis. The EPA said filters are typically changed once or twice a week.
Even with the beta-detection problem, the RadNet system, along with other government radiological resources, has enough capability to do the job, EPA officials said. “We can confidently say that this system is fully capable now and fully operational now with the current monitors it has to detect fairly minute levels of radiation,” said Jonathan Edwards, director of the EPA’s radiation protection division.

EPA officials acknowledged that one major radionuclide—strontium-90, which can get into people’s bones—emits only beta particles. However, they said, an event releasing a large amount of strontium-90 would also release large amounts of gamma-emitting radionuclides that could be picked up. Even with beta monitors, laboratory filter analyses would be needed to confirm the strontium, they added.

But some experts, inside and outside of government, argue that being able to separately and quickly detect the presence of a beta emitter such as strontium-90 could influence evacuation or other emergency plans. The 2012 EPA report also said gamma monitoring wasn’t sufficient to deal with the threat from strontium-90, which could “cause large-scale public health impacts.”

“If real-time beta measurements were unnecessary, why did the government spend money installing the capability in the first place?” asked Daniel Hirsch, a lecturer on nuclear policy at the University of California, Santa Cruz, and a longtime critic of federal radiation-protection efforts who has studied the RadNet system. The EPA’s explanation “seems like an after-the-fact rationalization when they discovered the monitors didn’t work.”

EPA officials said the beta detectors are considered much less important than the gamma monitors. “Not having the beta monitor is absolutely not a concern of ours,” said John Griggs, director of the EPA’s National Analytical Radiation Environmental Laboratory.

Each RadNet monitoring station is a roughly 5-foot-tall metal box with an attached pole to hold additional equipment. There is at least one at a fixed location in every state. The devices on average cost about $52,000 each, according to the EPA. The annual cost of up to $2 million to operate the fixed monitoring system is a fraction of the EPA’s 2015 budget of $8.1 billion.

A separate 2012 report by the EPA’s inspector general criticized the condition of the RadNet system at the time of the March 2011 accident at the Fukushima nuclear complex in Japan. Radiation from Japan reached the U.S., though not at high-enough levels to pose a public-health threat, federal officials said.

Even though the RadNet system was designated as “critical infrastructure” for protecting the public, 25 RadNet monitors had been out of service for an average of 130 days at the time of the Fukushima accident and weren’t providing any usable real-time data, beta or gamma, the inspector general’s report said.

“Because EPA did not manage RadNet as a high-priority program, parts shortages and insufficient contract oversight contributed to the extensive delay in fixing broken monitors,” the report concluded. Repairs were completed by early April 2011, as monitoring of the Fukushima accident continued.

Responding to the report when it was released, the EPA said the RadNet system had nonetheless been able to adequately monitor Fukushima radiation. A follow-up inspector general’s report last year found the EPA had taken recommended corrective actions.

The inspector general’s reports didn’t mention the beta-monitoring problem, though it existed at the time of the Fukushima accident. A spokeswoman for the inspector general’s office said that examining the beta-monitoring system wasn’t part of its RadNet investigation.

Two other EPA actions have raised concerns about the agency’s radiation-monitoring activities.

Earlier this year, the EPA combined its two mobile radiation-analysis labs into one, scrapping a location in Las Vegas and beefing up one in Montgomery, Ala. The mobile lab can be sent to investigate suspected radiation events.

California Gov. Jerry Brown’s Office of Emergency Services warned in a May letter that “leaving the western U.S. without this critical resource will increase response time to our state, jeopardizing our combined ability to adequately protect the public.”

The EPA said the move was a cost-saving measure and that remaining radiological resources in Western states are sufficient to deal with emergencies.

In addition, the EPA last year discontinued a part of its RadNet system that tested milk from dairies for radiation. The agency said the task would be handled by the Food and Drug Administration, which for years has also had a milk-sampling program.

Moving the mobile lab and dropping the milk monitoring are “part of a pattern of retreat” by the EPA on its radiation-protection work, said Jeff Ruch, executive director of Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility, a Washington, D.C.-based advocacy group.

The EPA, in a response, said it remains “dedicated to protecting public health and the environment through the use of sound radiation science.”

Write to John R. Emshwiller at [email protected] and Gary Fields at [email protected]

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Also am looking for an answer as to 'where's' the smoke question from another poster.... good question....

Last Edited by CitizenPerth™ on 10/20/2015 03:35 PM

We can assure you there is no danger from the radiation. Please go about your daily lives. Thank you.

ok, got sent some stuff on this... they're a good bunch... closed group though...

I've put together a mini-paper for you on the question of smoke as it was a good question...


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Current Situation[edit]

Smoldering fire[edit]

On December 23, 2010, multiple gas extraction wells reported rising temperatures. Further investigation revealed elevated hydrogen and carbon monoxide and reduced methane levels in extracted gas, suggestive of a subsurface smoldering event (SSE). A subsurface smoldering event or fire occurs deep within a landfill and produces no visible flame or smoke - instead, this form of combustion is slow and low-temperature. The smoldering fire is located 1,000 feet (300 m) away from OU-1, raising fear about the consequences the county of St. Louis will face if the fire does reach the toxic material.


Surface fire at the West Lake Landfill, February 2014
February 16, 2014 greater concern was raised from the public when a surface fire emerged, emitting heavy black smoke and a thick stench. The cause for the surface fire was a pipe break, which allowed oxygen underneath the cap and burned through a chunk of plastic cover. This fire, however, was unrelated to the subsurface smoldering fire, which had been ongoing for approximately 3 ½ years.

Although unrelated in this most recent event, state officials have raised concern that the smoldering fire may be next to break through the surface. Temperatures have been constantly rising, so much so that one temperature monitor, TMP-13, had readings above 200 °F (93 °C) approximately 9 feet (2.7 m) below the surface between May and early June 2014. As the smoldering fire reaches depths of more than 150 feet (46 m),
high temperatures in such shallow areas are cause for concern.

However, excavating and attempting to put an end to the fire, which spans an area of at least 15 football fields (16 acres or 6.5 hectares), would be close to impossible.[10] The excavation would increase the probability of the fire breaking through the surface, due to an increased flow of oxygen.[11]

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ADDITIONALLY:

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Isolation Barrier[edit]

Since the discovery of the smoldering fire, Republic Services ordered an isolation barrier be built in September of 2013, which will prevent smoldering sanitary waste from reaching the radioactive waste stored in OU-1. The EPA will oversee the construction of the barrier in the South Quarry section of the landfill. Further, landfill owners plan to install a cap over the North Quarry, create trenches to capture liquid and gas underneath the cap, in addition to improving techniques used to monitor gas.

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that's the lack of smoke question: But they know it's ongoing due to temps and other gaseous tests...


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FURTHER:

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Risks Associated with Hazardous Waste[edit]
Potential Health Risks[edit]
All compounds listed below have already been found, or are daughter isotopes to compounds found within the West Lake landfill.

Uranium 234, 235, and 238 that remains in the body targets the kidneys, leading to severe kidney damage.

Thorium 227, 228, 230, 231, 232, and 234 lead to an increased chance of lung and panaceas cancer, lung disease, DNA mutation, liver disease, and bone cancer. Although most thorium leaves the body through exhalation, some desposits have the potential to remain in the lungs or bones for many years.

Radium 223, 224, 226, and 228 causes fractured teeth, anemia, cataracts, cancer, and death. Inhaled radium gradually entered the bloodstream and travels to all parts of the body, usually targeting the bones.

Radon 219, 220, 222 has the potential to result in lung cancer as the radon has that is not exhaled becomes stored in fatty tissue and other organs.

Polonium 210, 212, 214, 215, 216, 218 causes bone cancer, damage to the spleen, kidneys, and liver, in addition to death. The compound Polonium 210 was notable used to kill Russian spy Alexander Litvinenko in 2006, and is thought to be responsible for the death of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat, in 2004.

Lead 206, 207, 208, 210, 211, 212, and 214 have the potential to result in anemia, weakness of fingers and wrists, an increase of blood pressure, damage to the brain and kidneys, miscarriage, lower sperm production, and death. 99% of lead taken into the body of an adult will leave in the waste, while children retain 68% of lead they are exposed to.

Environmental Health Risks[edit]

Leaving the radioactive waste at the West Lake Landfill poses many environmental health risks, as the surrounding area is susceptible to natural disaster. In the case of an earthquake, the landfill is highly prone to landslides and liquefaction, which would exponentially increase the chance of groundwater contamination or radioactive materials directly seeping into the Missouri River.[12]

Additionally, the smoldering fire approximately 1,000 feet (300 m) from OU-1 poses a threat to people in the area through contaminated smoke and increased leachate production. A test conducted by the Department of Natural Resources displayed harmful compounds in the air downwind from the landfill, suggesting emissions from the fire have already begun to become present.[13]

Further, the West Lake Landfill is located within the Missouri River flood plain. As the landfill is unlined, there is no layer to prevent radioactive materials from interacting with the water table, and leaves the possibility for radium to leak into groundwater.[14]

quoted sources:

"Risks of Leaving Radioactive Waste at West Lake Landfill". Missouri Coalition for the Environment. June 19, 2014.
Jump up ^ "Risks of Leaving Radioactive Waste at West Lake Landfill". Missouri Coalition for the Environment. June 19, 2014.
Jump up ^ "Risks of Leaving Radioactive Waste at West Lake Landfill". Missouri Coalition for the Environment. June 19, 2014.


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Can someone remind me of who posted the article about the MW fires near the cold-war nuclear dump in the US?
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Helen Guernon Here you are... [link to miningawareness.wordpress.com (secure)]

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Citizen Perth thankyou! next question? a reader wants wants to know? as they have been looking? were are the smoke plumes, even if the fire is under ground? thanks anyone smile emoticon
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Kristina Vitalone Not sure about the plumes. West Lake Landfill pg has much information.
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Last Edited by CitizenPerth™ on 10/20/2015 07:06 AM

This underground fire has been threatening the site for years now. Did it reach the storage site yet, or what?

that's what the people watching are flagging NOW

1. vague warnings and political press releases, information to residents

2. shutting down just over the weekend of now 80 monitors

as an aside but important, someone also pointed out they also have found documents that show a huge petro-chemical waste dump site is located nearby, so if that catches... doom...

their group contacted the relevant authorities who quietly confirmed this...

(i can't find that one yet)

Last Edited by CitizenPerth™ on 10/20/2015 06:03 AM

I've posted on other threads regarding the situation, as I live at ground zero, here in Bridgeton, MO.

There's SO much I could post and ramble about, and have hesitated because we're about overwhelmed and so exasperated...the responses about "just move" don't consider real estate issues. Many of you have similar disposal situations near you that "could or could not" be having issues, UNTOLD AND UNKNOWN at the time you purchase a home. Sure, I'll move. Sure, I'll take a loss even. And sure...like I've got the cash to just up and go...NOT. Many factors, too many for easy judgement.

Basically, the "fire" is not what most everyone thinks. It is a thermogenic, non-oxidizing, chemical reaction. Any exposure to oxygen would cause a combustive/explosive situation. And that has ZERO to do with any nucleotide compounds. Essentially nitrogen injection is the only real solve...and that is so cost prohibitive, you don't know. Six football fields in linear square footage, not to mention depth...hundreds of feet!...UNIMAGINABLE volumes of nitrogen required...uh-uh, science fiction. The usual management of such conditions is to let them burn. There are mine fires that have burnt for decades in this country and that's multiple and consistent.

The two landfill pits are connected at a neck, forming basically, an hourglass shape, aligning north and south.

The southern pit has the chemical reaction and trash composition.

The northern pit has the nucleotide wastes and earth/boulder fill of unknown volume and composition. At one point, untold numbers of trailers, with trucks inclusive, were pulled into the open pit area, in the cover of night and left, bulldozed and covered by morning...AMONGST ALL the other fill materials that are admitted to, like massive amounts of jet fuel/kerosene and other chemical wastes, BESIDES the primary concern of radioactive stuff. This was the go-to site for ALL kinds of illegal dumping, with the cover of government looking the opposite way! This is mentioned only to demonstrate the covert and illegal activities, AND the magnitude of the highest levels of radiating compounds...THE TRUCKS AND TRAILERS WERE BURIED WITHIN HOURS BY MASSIVE NUMBERS. No one knows how many or what was inside. Note: the tractors were only attached to the trailers for a matter of a couple of hours and BURIED TOO.

There have been recorded underground temperature flare-ups, like the southern pit now, in the distant past, IN THE NORTHERN pit...just not media presented.

The southern pit's underground reaction encompasses over six football fields square footage. The process is consistently progressing northward towards the neck area. Recorded temperatures in the neck have shown elevating temperatures. Recorded radiological readings are showing migration of nucleotides outside the northern pit. Recording instrumentation in the southern pit have consistently failed due to temperatures...they've had difficulty repairing these because of such...they're too hot to fix.

The last and only "tolerated" solution (by the property owners) was to be a barrier trench to effectively separate the situations. This plan was abandoned after radioactive materials were found outside the perimeter originally thought to be DEFINED. No other solutions are on the table, other than to not publish anything regarding the problems. This "new" emergency "plan" was discovered only by sheer luck...NO FORMAL community presentation was intended. ONLY UPON DISCOVERY, instigated the release of these letters from the school districts. That would NOT have happened if the plan wasn't found!

Not in the least, the southern pit has a condition regarding "leachate" or liquid runoff from the trash decomposition. Massive volumes of liquid is seeping into the ground, in an area that is nearly reclaimed floodplain from the Missouri River. The water table, therefore, is extremely shallow and this leachate is thought to have reached the water table already. Within 3 miles downstream on the Missouri is a local water treatment plant that services about 60 plus percent of the metropolitan water needs. Massive, unknown quantities of leachate is pumped off into tanker trucks and hauled off to disposal sites, with the assurance that it's being handled properly. But the entire, two pit system is unlined and truly open pits in the ground.

Removal of ALL radiologically contaminated earth/rock mixture from the northern pit would be a herculean task...largest infrastructurally for this country, historically. It would need to be containerized safely and hauled to an appropriate "plasma" incinerator system. It's estimated that billions of cubic feet of materials would be required to be treated.

At this point, the push/pull is against the governmental agencies and owners, AND the citizens. Follow the money...the usual course of events. Nothing will be done...the citizenry can't compete financially. The EPA and Missouri Department of Natural Resources are both firmly planted in the pockets of Republic Services.

The only LIKELY outcome is for an untold, vast area to be, essentially, quarantined. Very similar to an area locally called Times Beach...a metropolitan "town" that was essentially closed up and barricaded, decades ago, and still is to this day. Many, many square miles. The thought process there, basically revolved around the "half life" concept. The same will happen here...a dead zone to be left vacant, and zoned around the airport, with the "politically correct" presentation of "noise reduction zone" for the aircraft noise...just a convenient extention of what is already there. Just smooth the whole affair over quietly and efficently, not unlike icing a cake...reduce or eliminate as much of the furvor and noise and just "make it go away".

Again, I thought better of even started all this...I can and did go on and rambled. But, there are too many ideas here that are too simple or lack an understanding of the scope and science here...I had to post.

The absolute latest, and of most importance, to us, is the timeline that's been published...it should take about 3 to 6 months for the reaction to reach radioactive material. I'm estimating it's less time, since those numbers were released some time ago. AND, I highly suspect that these numbers were NOT intended to be published. Leaked. I'm still reading over and considering the 14 page emergency plan. As it stands this is piecemeal, and void of substance. Just panic if something happens...essentially. No formal structure or context.


Big thanks for reading and letting me post. Wish us luck!!!

B

I'm sorry if this is a stupid question-but if they fear further ignition and spread because of contact with O2 (reason for not excavating the underground fire); couldn't they "inject" large amounts of foam or water deep into the burning material? In the same ways they inject fracking fluids? It just seems like they could even create a "wet boundary" in the ground to prevent, or at least inhibit, the spread of the burning.


EDIT: Sorry!! That last post wasn't up yet before I typed this. I'm so sorry you all have to go through this & pray they can figure something out before anyone is exposed to high levels and you all lose everything.
Unfortunately, I suspect this won't be the last situation of this type in this country. :(

Last Edited by LostAndFound60 on 10/20/2015 06:39 AM

Thread: St Louis MO West Lake Landfill - 2/2/2016 - S.2306 passes in senate

This thread is a good one for more data.

YES!

ty.. i did a quick look but got side-tracked by all the info sifting.... i knew it was here!

moreover, as i just posted i think we are just shy of getting a soeks to someone that can use it...

Last Edited by CitizenPerth™ on 10/20/2015 06:46 AM

It's gonna make a loud BOOM when Nucci and Bayou Corne go off.
Everyone will stand far off, looking, shaking their heads.

Statement from Atty General confirmed offsite contamination. incl the fact that fire has moved past intercepters/wells:

[link to ago.mo.gov]

USTREAM of meeting held several nights ago:

[link to www.ustream.tv]

When is the fire supposed to hit the first storage area?

Since winds mostly move from north west to east this time of year, wouldn't this be kinda damaging to the east coast?

Thanks!

OK. How about injecting a gas that would remove the oxygen in the dump?
Place pipes vertically in the dump material and start to remove the oxygen that feeds the fire.
It would be able to permeate the trash and stop any possibility of the fire being able to hit the radioactive area.
Start the injection at the neck and allow the gas to flow back towards the fire.
Safe cheap foolproof, oops should not have added foolproof.
Remove the oxygen.

See post above...

it's a chemical reaction...thermogenic...non-oxygenating. Any exposure to oxygen will cause a combustive/explosive situation.

The only solve is nitrogen injection...big bucks! Allowed to burn out is usually the answer, historically. See mine fires...decades in the running.

ty as always.. and howdy stranger ;)

xo

See post above...

Latest estimates have interaction at 3 to 6 months...reduce that by age of that report...make it 2 to 5 months.

West Lake & St Louis County Shelter-in-place evacuation plan, which was drawn up a year ago.

The only reason this has become mainstream is because a local reporter found the documents and KMOX published them.

Needless to say, residents are not happy. The radiation has already been found on trees, ditches, neighborhood lawns, and baseball diamonds. 2 researchers from Univ of Missouri found the neighborhood contamination.

They will need a big firm like the Erin Brockovich one to negotiate a buyout - like she did for Bayou Corne. Lots of gas buildup under the site, hydrogen too.

The residents don't need to wait for the fire, they should leave now.

PDF of disaster plan:
[link to cbsstlouis.files.wordpress.com (secure)]

ty.. just read your post...

good luck...

The whole world is a giant



Search underway for missing radioactive container

[link to www.fox5vegas.com]

My family and I lived and worked in that area for many years. I'm wondering if that whole "buyout" thing for the expansion of Lambert Field's runways years ago had something to do with this.

The Bridgeton Buyout was for expansion of Lambert Airport, due to growth and hub of TWA. Federal dollars were aligned and subject to loss without the go ahead of the expansion. The demise of TWA would not halt that expansion..."regional growth" PR, etc.

The landfill is further west. One particular airport expansion plan had designs for enveloping all lands out to the Missouri River. THIS would have solved this situation and buyouts would have occurred decades ago. Hindsight is 20/20!