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Per US Navy Chief: USS Lassen (detroyer) on standby to make transit of South China Sea/Spratly Islands

 
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US Navy’s chief of naval operations: South China Sea Is ‘Everybody’s Sea’

By Christopher P. Cavas
Defense News

WASHINGTON — Adm. John Richardson, in office as the US Navy’s chief of naval operations (CNO) for just over a month, has spent nearly half of that time on a world tour, traveling to Hawaii, Japan, South Korea, the Persian Gulf and Italy to gauge the state of global seapower and meet his international counterparts.

He’s also been assessing the activities of the Russian and Chinese navies, both of which are challenging the international scene in numerous ways. Richardson, in an interview Thursday with Defense News, was asked about a Chinese admiral’s claim in early September about one tension point, the South China Sea, where China has been building island bases and where territorial disputes involve several nations.

In those remarks, Vice Adm. Yuan Yubai, commander of the Chinese Navy’s northern fleet, said, “the South China Sea, as the name indicated, is a sea area that belongs to China. And since the Tang Dynasty a long time ago, the Chinese people have been working and producing around the sea area.”

In that Sept. 14 address, Yuan also spoke of China’s efforts to become a guarantor of safe passage over international waters — a role long embraced by the US.

Richardson isn’t buying it.

“What is coming into clear focus is that the defendant of the guarantor of prosperity and access is the system of rules and norms that we all abide by,” Richardson said. “It’s interesting that some of the folks that are making contrary claims now … are the very nations who prosper the most under the current system of international rules and norms.”

...Richardson spoke from Venice, Italy, where he was attending a regional seapower symposium...


...The US Navy has been preparing for a South China Sea demonstration cruise close to China’s newly constructed artificial islands. According to Pentagon sources, the destroyer Lassen has been on standby to make the transit, but so far hasn’t done so. Asked about when that would happen, Richardson declined to provide details.

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I figured it would be a destroyer they sent to run the gauntlet of those islands and not anything more valuable. Surprised they couldn't dig up an old tug boat for it.
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Yeah, I still kinda wonder if they will send the USS Fort Worth after all (newer Littoral-class).

But by sending the old destroyer, it makes me wonder more and more if the ship (and its crew) are considered expendable.
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This crew is definitely being seen as expendable, in case things really do kick-off in that sea.

Though I doubt they will. China knows our Navy assets in the area alone could wipe those islands from the map in under an hour.
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They are making a big deal out of it. Like they fear China would not attack them if they go in.
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I make no prediction really as to what the Chinese reaction to such a transit would be.

Merely observing.
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I make no prediction really as to what the Chinese reaction to such a transit would be.

Merely observing.
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BTW, thanks for the article
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The Chinese will do something this time. Its a mistake to rank the Chinese as equal to North Koreans. North Korea is all talk. But Chinese do what they say.
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I figured it would be a destroyer they sent to run the gauntlet of those islands and not anything more valuable. Surprised they couldn't dig up an old tug boat for it.
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USS Lassen is an Arleigh Burke-class destroyer, built fairly recently, based in Yokosuka.

It 's primary mission is air and sea missile defense for the carriers. So it seems to be a good choice for this task.

If you are going to send a ship in, do it with something the Chinese are going to have to think really hard about going after, that will require sizable assets to counter it.
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"If you are going to send a ship in, do it with something the Chinese are going to have to think really hard about going after, that will require sizable assets to counter it."


Following that logic, why not a carrier group? Or two?


No sarcasm. Honest question.
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Got to also weigh the opportunity cost of it. What if it really does get sunk?

A carrier is a much larger target, and much more valuable.

What if China uses an exotic weapon? Better to have the other ships in safe waters on standby ready to retaliate.

Also, it seems that this ship has it's own countermeasures for missiles, which is another plus. It won't have to rely as much on the aid of other vessels.
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So then, how vulnerable are our carriers and carrier groups?

Are we entering a new period of naval warfare as a result of the development of carrier-destroying missiles?
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"If you are going to send a ship in, do it with something the Chinese are going to have to think really hard about going after, that will require sizable assets to counter it."


Following that logic, why not a carrier group? Or two?


No sarcasm. Honest question.
 Quoting: Adytum


My personal conjecture: A measured size of force asserts the desired presence without inviting a larger response. China, the whole world knows that we have the largest most powerful Navy in the world. It is also a very big deal when you send an entire carrier group. This measured message is one of presence, not war.

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Re: Per US Navy Chief: USS Lassen (detroyer) on standby to make transit of South China Sea/Spratly Islands
My real question is: in an age of missiles, does it really matter who has the "most powerful Navy in the world"?

If China does not wish to tolerate any naval presence in what it claims to be its waters, does it have to?

Are we fooling ourselves really about the status of our Navy?

Again, have we not perhaps entered a new era of naval combat as when carriers kind of took over from destroyers?

Are we operating from an outdated military outlook?
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My real question is: in an age of missiles, does it really matter who has the "most powerful Navy in the world"?

If China does not wish to tolerate any naval presence in what it claims to be its waters, does it have to?

Are we fooling ourselves really about the status of our Navy?

Again, have we not perhaps entered a new era of naval combat as when carriers kind of took over from destroyers?

Are we operating from an outdated military outlook?
 Quoting: Adytum


Depends on how capable the enemy is and how effective our countermeasures are. You have to add though the largest naval military powers of the world have not been in a hot war against each other since WWII. No one is itching to let that happen again any time soon.
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I think we are in an era where we perhaps need to completely re-evaluate our technology and the future of warfare -- especially naval warfare -- as we did in WWII.

I agree, it would not be wise to send in a carrier or a carrier group (or more than one) as I think they no longer represent naval "superiority". Given present missile technology (among all the major powers), carriers are no longer invulnerable and are, in fact, of questionable value.

In short, no country can really impose itself by naval forces alone on the waters of any other country.

The country that attempts to do so in 2015 may learn that lesson the hard way.


This is no longer a unipolar world in that regard.

The oceans are not ours any more than they are England's at this point.

That is reality.


But human beings have never been very fond of reality.





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