Religious question 2 - Sabbath Observance

The Sabbath was made for man, simple as that.

1) The question as to where christians & muslims were taught how to keep the Sabbath remains unanswered. The best take from what you say is to reduce what the Jews had Traditionally kept. What happened to the traditions they received at Sinai from G-D?

2) How is "Sabbath made to serve people"?

3) Man was created to keep G-D's statutes, whatever they may be. It is not up to a single man to determine the fate of an entire people nor does he have the ability to reduce a single law. That is why there was a central, all-binding, court system that was called the Sanhedrin. This is part of both the written &oral law.

4)Reducing the Sabbath restrictions does anything but show it's importance

5) Who claimed that observing the Sabbath was a burden? That is totally false.

any answer?

The Sabbath is a day to rest and spend time with the Lord and your family.
THere are multiple verses about how to celebrate the Sabbath.
Christ never changed the Sabbath to Sunday, it is still sundown on Friday to sundown on Saturday. I did a search of what it meant to honor the Sabbath and one of the main things was not spending money. I have found that very difficult with a Monday to Friday 9-5 job.
Walter Veith has some great teaching on Sabbath Keeping and why it is important. It will still be honored when Christ returns and rules for the next thousand years.

Who was witness to Moses receiving the law at Sinai, OP?

2.4 million people

where is the source verses on where christians/muslims were taught how to keep Sabbath?

You believe in jesus yet you argue with all christians; you are making your own religion?

Where did you see that not spending money is one of the ways to observe it?

Yes, and the Sabbath predated Mt Sinai. All the law predated Mt Sinai. Cain murdered Abel. God only gave the law at Mt Sinai to remind the hebrews as they had forgotten God and his law.

Muslims keep a different day, i suppose as dictated by Mohammad.

We can't even get all Christians on the same day of worship, so muslims would be out of the question.

It a nice juster. It would be like trying to convince all Jews to accept Jesus. Conversely, all Muslims to accept Jesus is God.

where is the source for where christians/muslims were taught how to observe it?

where is your source that it predated Mt Sinai?

You say it was a reminder to the Hebrews who forgot God's law- when did G-d give a law before? Who kept it?

The same source that says the Sabbath predated Mt. Sinai is the same source that says all the nations were offered to receive the Torah but refused it due to their national bias

what does that prove?

The question was where were christians/muslims taught how to observe the Sabbath..

There was no witness when Moses received the commandments. He was alone atop the Mt. So it would appear that one man did determine the fate of an entire people.

I am being silly to demonstrate a point...

Each of us approaches God like Moses did... Alone.

Each of us is justified or condemned like Moses was.... Alone.

May you be justified by God, op. Alone.

Peace,

2.4 million people heard from G-D the first two of the ten commandments.

You need to study the Bible before you talk. Look into the portion of receiving the Torah in the portion of Jethro.

2.4 million people.

It's not difficult, op.

May you be justified by God alone.

May god give you rest from your labors.

Peace,

all you need to do is read the portion of the Torah which discusses the receiving of the Torah. There you will see it was in front of 2.4 million people and an Earth shaking event.

This is funamentally accepted by christians and muslims. You are far outnumbered in your theory which tries to replace facts.

It is a shame nowadays people have become so foolish as to not know what is fact and what is made up.

Not that difficult.

Here OP, I think this is the verse you're looking for:

Deuteronomy 5:14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.

There's no need to observe the sabbath anymore, Christ fulfilled the sabbath, rest in Him.

Matthew 11:28-29 Come unto me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

It says in the 4th Commandment how to observe it.

Cain murdered Abel long before Sinai.

The Flood was do to SIN. Noah was found to be a just man. He kept God's law.

Abraham kept the law.

Gn 6:9 "These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God."

Gn 26:5 "Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws."

God's Ten Commandments From Creation
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There has always been sin. Sin is the transgression of God's law.

1 John 3:4 "Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."

No that's not true. Did Jesus fulfill all the other commandments or just the Sabbath?

What Jesus fulfilled was the law of Moses, the sacrificial system. Replacing it with Grace. (Col 2:14-17)

where does it define what is work? The question was where does it teach how to observe the Sabbath, not merely say keep it. The question remains unanswered.

Sabbath is not something to fulfill, rather something that must be observed.

The verse from matthew does not answer anything either.

Does the 4th of the Ten Commandments really tell you How to observe it when it says "Remember the Sabbath"?

I don't see how anything else you said is relevant to the Sabbath.

Typical Jew. He needs exact instructions for everything, and then misses the whole point of what he is actually doing. That is Judaism for the last several thousand years

yes, the typical Jew can prove his religion and disprove others. Indeed, when you are talking about a real religion there needs to be exact instructions lest one transgress which isn't something not to care about.

Your christian religion is one of comfort, trying to usurp the holiness of Judaism while casting off whatever you do not understand and what You define as burdensome. Excuse us, but we don't care what your version of the Jews' Torah is.

The question remains unanswered, christians/muslims were never given instructions on how to keep the Sabbath.

Matthew 12:1-8 1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were hungry, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat. But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day. But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was hungry, and they that were with him; How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple. But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless. For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Mark 2:27-28 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.


John 9:16 Therefore said some of the Pharisees, This man is not of God, because he keepeth not the sabbath day. Others said, How can a man that is a sinner do such miracles? And there was a division among them.

Colossians 2:16-17 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.


John 5:16-18 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day. But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.


That word "broken" in John 5:18 in the Greek (3089) means: to loosen, break up, destroy, dissolve, melt, put off..

John 5;18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had *destroyed* or *dissolved* etc.. the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.


Do a word search on the word "sabbath" and count for yourself how many times Jesus healed, or taught, or travelled on the sabbath. If you're still not convinced, then by all means continue keeping it. My rest is in Jesus. Every day is a sabbath for me.

Matthew 12:1-8, There was no corn in the holy land, it was still in America. Get you a new bible.
Jesus was accused of picking wheat on the sabbath by the Pharisees. They do lie and now not how to keep the sabbath, but Jesus knew. He did not work on the Sabbath.

Mark 2:27-28, yes all God's people will keep God's sabbath.

John 9:16, Pharisees make false charges.

Colossians 2:16-17, high sabbaths, not weekly sabbaths - food & drink for the high sabbaths for sacrifice.

Jesus never traveled on the sabbath. He waited till the next day.
God created the sabbath and it is the 7th-day.

1) You have not answered my response to you that you did not answer the original question.

2) David never entered the Temple to eat showbread as that bread is only reserved for priests who are from the tribe of Levi while David was of Judah. Nor was it ever recorded anywhere in scripture. Indeed, what it is saying is that the holy and righteous King David, who wrote the greatly respected psalms was a sinner.
And being a King, it wouldn't make any sense for him to need to enter the Temple to eat food to quench his otherwise base needs, not withstanding the fact that King David was capable of totally suppressing even the strongest desires such as not being intimate with the Shulamite.

3) The priests were not profaning the Sabbath law as essential work was not prohibited in the Temple on the Sabbath.
And by christians own explanation of the prohibitions being a burden from the get-go, there would not be a problem of "profaning" the Sabbath in the Temple described in matthew; a contradiction.

4)Nor could you explain the fact that an individual does not have the capacity to change a single law from the Torah as the Torah says itself.

5) you are arguing with the christian religion at large, which claim to observe the Sabbath, but by your own verses [& confusion] try to prove that it need not be kept at all. What a mess of a religion to say the least. Indeed, you have your own personal "religion".

The commandment is to remember the sabbath and to make it holy. Holy basically means dedicated to God. No there isn't a list of things to do, nor does it make sense to have a list. God gave people a brain and free will and he expects us to use them.

Just because your corrupt Talmud has a list for everything doesn't mean it came from God(it's as evil as the Quran). Torah is true, the Talmud is an outright abomination and the source of so many problems for Jews.

Observing the Sabbath puts one in harmony with G-d, creation, each other and oneself. It's very rewarding.

5:14 answers your question. It defines what work is by it's inclusion of all house members and specific animals. The normal day to day was work, whether your day was managing the house or going out to do something. There are vs. regarding currency and trade on the Sabbath. Also, there is verse in the Bible that specifically states the Sabbath is not a day for worship. I'm working at the moment but they aren't hard to find.


If your ultimate question is going to be do we observe the Sabbath as defined in the texts the answer is no.

The 4th Commandment


Ex 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shall you labor, and do all your work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD your God: in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: why the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.


It is the longest commandment