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Hear me out...To those who aren't Millennials.

 
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I was born in the late 80s. Things were not bad then. People got married, had kids, families were closely tied for the most part, neighbors helped each other for free (and spoke to each other), people didn't work outrageous hours in most cases, there was no internet obviously, family dinners were common since food wasn't freakishly expensive, gas was cheap so going places wasn't a hassle (I remember gas being under a dollar when I was in my young years), jobs were obtainable and available, people could buy houses and not worry nearly as much today. The list goes on and on.

Millennials grew up seeing all of this. I remember being super young and having young parents. They bought their house when they were 20. Shit, they had a kid when they were 20! I don't think it is possible for a 20 year old to own a house now or have kid, unless they inherit money or the family owns a booming business.

Anyway....Millennials were surrounded by positive things for our extremely important years. Those really young years are crucial to a human and their learning processes. We see everything and learn from everything we see. It was a pretty positive time in life.

Finally the millennials start to grow up, finishing high school and going away to college. The day to buy college books comes and you realize that it isn't cheap. We buy food on our own, figure out how to get by on inexpensive foods. We live with all of our friends, so things are relatively cheaper since bills are split 4 or 5 ways. We are living off loan money, so it doesn't seem too bad.

The last day of college comes and you go where? Back home. Its really the only option. High as HECK because you completed a huge step in your life by graduating. None of it mattered. Your degree is worthless in most cases. Shit, even getting a job that pays 30k-40k isn't going to get you anywhere in some states. Those years after college are PACKED with negativity, the economy crashing, less jobs, people not being able to take care of themselves and so on. Kids....Are you kidding? I can hardly buy myself food. Marriage? What.....? How? A house....? Property taxes cost more than the mortgage.

We grew up where kids trick or treated, hung out with neighbors, smiled often because there were things to smile about and a lot of great things in general. It went from great to poor really fast.

Moral of the story is Millennials aren't lazy, clueless, stupid or whatever adjective it may be to describe them...
Times changed super fast and extremely negatively that it bogs you down so bad, it makes you want to give up. Every generation of humans has their bad ones, but if Millennials had a fair chance, I bet they would really succeed. Including myself...

Our only hope is to live barebones. Living barebones is unhealthy, unsafe, depressing and so on. Who wants to be a part of all that? No one I know now owns a house. Some rent crap holes, live at home or live at girlfriend/boyfriends parent's house. Sucks the wind right outta' you.

Don't hate on the all Millennials. There are A LOT of good ones and a lot of bad ones, but don't generalize.

Good day!
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"Anyway....Millennials were surrounded by positive things for our extremely important years. Those really young years are crucial to a human and their learning processes. We see everything and learn from everything we see. It was a pretty positive time in life."

I'm a Millennial and that wasn't my experience at all.

Glad you had a good upbringing but wouldn't say it was typical.
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I was born 82 and I totally understand where you're coming from, even though i'm on the cusp of Millennial and Gen Xer.

I feel bad for most of the youth now. What hope is there to go pursue anything in this society??

The only issue I have with them is when they think that they are super jaded and have experienced everything in life because of being on smart phones and the internet for most of their lives. I'm old enough to remember how to entertain yourself without all the electronics and social media.

If they could survive one full day sitting with their thoughts and no social media, phones, laptops, etc. I would give them more credit as to what they are capable of handling.
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"Anyway....Millennials were surrounded by positive things for our extremely important years. Those really young years are crucial to a human and their learning processes. We see everything and learn from everything we see. It was a pretty positive time in life."

I'm a Millennial and that wasn't my experience at all.

Glad you had a good upbringing but wouldn't say it was typical.
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Well, I am mostly speaking in general. Times were better for a lot of people. No one bitched about much. People spoke to each other. People actually cared about one an other.

A lot of people I knew grew up super well. Regardless where we were from. Most of the ones I know are really smart with a lot of things. Super athletic people and so on. Its just sad that we aren't given much of a chance.

But, yes I was lucky in many ways and I appreciate that a lot. It has made me into a good human. But, that is pretty much my point. So many of us were brought up so well and were promised "if you go to college, you can do whatever you want". That was because in the 80s and 90s, that was true! Our parents told us that because that is how it used to be!
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I was born 82 and I totally understand where you're coming from, even though i'm on the cusp of Millennial and Gen Xer.

I feel bad for most of the youth now. What hope is there to go pursue anything in this society??

The only issue I have with them is when they think that they are super jaded and have experienced everything in life because of being on smart phones and the internet for most of their lives. I'm old enough to remember how to entertain yourself without all the electronics and social media.

If they could survive one full day sitting with their thoughts and no social media, phones, laptops, etc. I would give them more credit as to what they are capable of handling.
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True, but what you need to also understand is that isn't their fault. We are FORCED to rely on those technologies to just APPLY for jobs, buy cars and so on. Most Millennials I know grew up taking vacations, spending time with families, playing baseball, having birthday parties with friends and meeting their families.

But, also....Look at everyone. Shit, my grandparents have tablets, smart TVs, iphones, netflix and such. It isn't just a Millennial thing. Everyone relies on it.

What pushes me to want to succeed? DAMN!! I succeeded a lot in my young years. With sports, grades, education, learning things, building relationships, learning proper manners. I was one of the best athletes around. I was encouraged and felt like it would get me somewhere.

What will a 40k job get me these days? Hardly jack shit.

There is nothing to reach for....Its seriously messed up.

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And can you really blame Millennials for hating a lot of the jobs/work they end up landing? $10-12 per hour jobs? How can you even take pride in that? You get a paycheck, it pays the car, the phone and your school loans. We just want more...And for a really good reason. Because times used to be so much better and that is what we are/were used to. As for me, I feel embarrassed...

I have really realized lately things just sucking in general. Food, service at business, grocery stores and just everything and everywhere. People look like they want to just die...No one is treated well enough to care anymore.
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I feel bad for most of the youth now. What hope is there to go pursue anything in this society??
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As a GenX'er I'd say that the mistake the parents of Millennials have made was to give you hope in the first place.

I was in my pre-teen years at the height of Cold War and under the threat of total nuclear annihilation. My parents never lied to me about the results of an all-out nuclear war and always explained to me what the arms treaty negotiations in the news meant. Thus, at the age of about 12-13 I came to the conclusion that I would never grow up to be an adult. I was sure I would perish in nuclear fire before that. In hindsight, it was perhaps the best way to grow up.

The doom never materialized and everything's been just gravy ever since. Yeah, shit still happens. I've gone through a personal bankcruptcy, have been unemployed several times, and almost lost a battle to cancer. Today, as far as I can see, the world is going to hell in a handbasket and I see no hope for myself or the future generations.

None of this has ever fazed me. Even as a pre-teen I was at ease with my inevitable death. I am alive and enjoying life today. Tomorrow I may be dead. So why should I worry about silly trivial shit like a job, income, friends or the future?

When you have no more hope, life becomes so much easier.
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I feel bad for most of the youth now. What hope is there to go pursue anything in this society??
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As a GenX'er I'd say that the mistake the parents of Millennials have made was to give you hope in the first place.

I was in my pre-teen years at the height of Cold War and under the threat of total nuclear annihilation. My parents never lied to me about the results of an all-out nuclear war and always explained to me what the arms treaty negotiations in the news meant. Thus, at the age of about 12-13 I came to the conclusion that I would never grow up to be an adult. I was sure I would perish in nuclear fire before that. In hindsight, it was perhaps the best way to grow up.

The doom never materialized and everything's been just gravy ever since. Yeah, shit still happens. I've gone through a personal bankcruptcy, have been unemployed several times, and almost lost a battle to cancer. Today, as far as I can see, the world is going to hell in a handbasket and I see no hope for myself or the future generations.

None of this has ever fazed me. Even as a pre-teen I was at ease with my inevitable death. I am alive and enjoying life today. Tomorrow I may be dead. So why should I worry about silly trivial shit like a job, income, friends or the future?

When you have no more hope, life becomes so much easier.
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I see where you're coming from. The parents didn't exactly lie to us or get our hopes up though. Times were good and working hard to get things was the norm. If you got a job and tried hard, good things would happen. There would be enough money for a house, cars, children of your own and so on. They didn't lie by any means. It was true then...If you went to college in the 80s and 90s you would surely succeed in most circumstances.

I don't see losing hope as a good idea. It is human nature to be hopeful for better things. Humans like a challenge, but nothing that isn't obtainable. It is becoming more and more obvious what is obtainable and what is not. My own house...Most likely not obtainable anytime soon. Kids, god no.

There is nothing to go for anymore....

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1990 here

Listen, my past is worse then most
I still kick older generations ass. My own generation doesnt even scale up so not mentioning that. I work harder, am smarter.. I always moved fucking mountains in everything I did. I couldve become the fucking pres. Listen, this is what it got me. Hate, envy. It never got me anywhere, i have grands hating on me.

Now im all up, i lost because everyone is hating..

Older generations should just stfu. They are dumb and resentfull. They are destroying the light of the future because they are envious assholes and greedy assholes.

Youre all lucky i found God, .. If it wasnt for God i would rob all of you, for sport. And make you scared like a little bitch and take your manhood, sense of security and your money.
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You're making us look bad ><

Stopppppppp ban3
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1990 here

Listen, my past is worse then most
I still kick older generations ass. My own generation doesnt even scale up so not mentioning that. I work harder, am smarter.. I always moved fucking mountains in everything I did. I couldve become the fucking pres. Listen, this is what it got me. Hate, envy. It never got me anywhere, i have grands hating on me.

Now im all up, i lost because everyone is hating..

Older generations should just stfu. They are dumb and resentfull. They are destroying the light of the future because they are envious assholes and greedy assholes.

Youre all lucky i found God, .. If it wasnt for God i would rob all of you, for sport. And make you scared like a little bitch and take your manhood, sense of security and your money.
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Yet you are here with the rest of us delusional people. Nice story bro.
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Very few generations of people have had it "easy". The US from about 1950 until 1972 was soaring economically, then faded from 1972 until about 1984. We had another boom of good times from '84 til about 2008. Your youth just happened to coincide with some unusually good times (late 80s thru the 90s). We've just slipped backed.

I was born in the 1950s, I've seen good times and bad. You just have to take the situtation you're in and do the best you can. Be the best at what you do, and eventually your break will come along. If not, at least you'll enjoy life much more knowing you're excelling at whatever you're doing.
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Millennials grew up seeing all of this. I remember being super young and having young parents. They bought their house when they were 20.
Our only hope is to live barebones. Living barebones is unhealthy, unsafe, depressing and so on. Who wants to be a part of all that? No one I know now owns a house. Some rent crap holes, live at home or live at girlfriend/boyfriends parent's house. Sucks the wind right outta' you.

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although I agree things are different and more difficult, I think you are over romanticizing things. Im of the "older" generation and I don't know anyone who bought a house at 20.

the majority, myself included, started out at the bottom in the craphole apt and worked, scrimped, saved, sacrificed, and essentially paid our dues. the first kid had hand-me-downs, used cribs/carseats, and cloth diapers.

the problem in part, as I see it, these millennials want to start out at the top with big house, fancy car, lots of money for i-gadgets etc...... and they are simply unrealistic. If you start out on the top, then you have nowhere to go but down.

living bare bones as you put it is a great motivator and is how the vast majority started out in life. crappy apt, used everything, 2nd hand clothes, no-name goods and foods, and so on.----which years later makes one more thankful and appreciative of what they do have.---which is something else that is lacking in the younger generations.
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I dunno man.

I was born in 84.

I own 3 cars, a house, and two businesses while also working a day job. I guess OWN is a strong word, I technically own 2 cars and about 1/3 of my house.


Wife and two kids, and I had zero help from mommy and daddy.

In fact when i was 19, my parents enrolled me in a community college saying they would pay for it. I signed up for everything and they paid for 1 semester, after that they were like good luck, at which point I was on the hook for my classes.


Not very helpful. I too feel like the world collapsed around me.

In 2007 I started my first business, which did well until November 2008.

I spent 2008 to 2013 recovering from that episode and now Im racing against the clock for 2016 elections when things will most likely take a dump again.




Personally, I think our parents screwed us, they endorsed PC bs, sent EVERYONE to college, and told all their children all they ended to do in life was be a good little salve in school and go work for the man and it will all be ok. We can all see how that idea is turning out eh?
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Thanks OP!

So this isnt about us being ignorant or lazy. It is solely the economy. Which I believe is intentionally orechestrated by some psycopaths.


I did all the right moves and after 6 years of grinding life feels hopeless. I cant get ahead. I am burdened with $430/mo student loans for 30 yrs. I was told my field makes $60k base a year and I spoke to people in my city confirming it was true - but after 2008 these once standard jobs have hundreds of people applying. I ended up having to do the job for $46k per year next door to that business. My life is financially hopeless.

I'll be 29 this year and have decided not to delay anymore having a kid until I have a house, marriage, and savings account, like I had always been told is right to do in my culture. Because it's never going to happen.

I think I'm smart enough and a good person that I should have kids. Even though thanks to the Israelis owning the Federal Reserve, it means I dont have enough money for a house or a wedding or a baby room.

I already started a curriculum to homeschool. And I bought items from china at healthy prices, for reusuable diapers. I wont be able to afford disposable ones.
I know enough about the poison in our food to properly give nutrition to an infant and kids. I plan to make my own baby food by pureeing organic produce.

I cook every day and reject food from boxes. I know how to garden and how to preserve food by canning it. My parents and my boyfriends' parents have an acre of land each and are happy to let us grow food and help maintain it. So I can save money by growing my own food for the baby.

My parents live too far away from my work (different state), and my boyfriends' parents already have one of their adult children living there with her 2 kids. And she is a Gen X, so she is too selfish to let us have one of the rooms. She hasnt lived on her own since before 2008 and is oblivious to the struggle. She chooses to live there for free child care from grandpa and grandma since her husband realized she was a psycopath and they divorced years ago.

When I was 18 I had the same realization as you. This is not the life I grew up accustomed to.

I just checked my bank account. It has $1680. I have to pay rent on the 1st along with phone bills, electric bill, internet bill. So I took $400 out just now and bought silver.

Atleast it will hedge against the constantly increasing inflation. It's the only hope I have in this misery.
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And can you really blame Millennials for hating a lot of the jobs/work they end up landing? $10-12 per hour jobs? How can you even take pride in that? You get a paycheck, it pays the car, the phone and your school loans. We just want more...And for a really good reason. Because times used to be so much better and that is what we are/were used to. As for me, I feel embarrassed...

I have really realized lately things just sucking in general. Food, service at business, grocery stores and just everything and everywhere. People look like they want to just die...No one is treated well enough to care anymore.
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Things do suck. I certainly agree about that. The economy has been gutted out, opportunities for employment are not plentiful as they once were.

When I refer to employment I'm talking about jobs that pay well and offer good benefits. Not the $10 per hour jobs you were referring to.
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When I was 18 I had the same realization as you. This is not the life I grew up accustomed to.

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I think you had unrealistic expectations......

if you think you are going to start out in life at the same level that your parents paid for/provided......that is unrealistic.

if you think you will start out life with an executive level job, corner office, big salary etc.......that is unrealistic.

if you think you will start out life with the same standard of living and lifestyle as people who have been working for decades, you are being unrealistic.
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If you think a 40k/year job won't pay for shit you are a spoiled little millennial brat. I can easily live off 12k/year although 90% of it goes to rent.

Spoiled rotten kids these days.
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in the olden days, young people started at home.

i'm talking about 200 years ago, not 1950.

you met a girl in town. you moved in with her parents or she moved in with yours.

when she was growing up she started a "trouseau" of things like towels and bed spreads. she kept working on those things when she wasn't spinning, weaving, sewing clothes for the family.

when you got married, people gave you a few things.

as you worked on the farm, maybe you managed to talk one parent or the other into letting you build a little house somewhere on the land. or maybe you inherited.

or maybe you approached an old widow across town to allow you to live in her house, run her farm, and live in the house with her until she died, at which time you would inherit.

wife kept sewing, you both kept saving pennies and buying things like pots and pans, pitchforks and buckets.

only when you had everything you needed to run a house did you leave and begin your life on your own.

by that time, your own sons were picking out their wives in the little one room school house.

the benefits of this were a feeling of tribe. the drawbacks of this was, i'm sure, a bit of a struggle when a twenty year old married person isn't the head of his own house hold.

the booming economy of the 1900's that brought in a new age of independence from family ties is over.
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This is a great thread.. and totally agree. I wonder if you see a solution OP?
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I think the Millennials had more smoke,rainbows and skittle shitting unicorns thrown at them then any other generation,too bad mommy and daddy stood by and let you believe life after home was going to be a cake walk.
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OP, you sound like a nice kid but the truth is most millennials were coddled to point that they don't know how to function in a life that is not always fair. That is your parents fault. Most kids born in the 80's and beyond never had to work for a thing.

My oldest is 16 years old, even though we have the means to give him much of what he wants, we do not. He must work for the "extras". The excuse that there isn't any work out there does not fly either. He mows lawns, shovels snow, stacks wood, paints, whatever he needs to do to make some money. I can tell you he is much more frugal with his money than he is with mine. He takes care of the the things he has because it was his sweat that got it for him.

Parents need to stop coddling their kids and prepare them for real life. If a kid is living in their basement at 30 than parenting went wrong somewhere along the line.
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I was born 82 and I totally understand where you're coming from, even though i'm on the cusp of Millennial and Gen Xer.

I feel bad for most of the youth now. What hope is there to go pursue anything in this society??

The only issue I have with them is when they think that they are super jaded and have experienced everything in life because of being on smart phones and the internet for most of their lives. I'm old enough to remember how to entertain yourself without all the electronics and social media.

If they could survive one full day sitting with their thoughts and no social media, phones, laptops, etc. I would give them more credit as to what they are capable of handling.
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True, but what you need to also understand is that isn't their fault. We are FORCED to rely on those technologies to just APPLY for jobs, buy cars and so on. Most Millennials I know grew up taking vacations, spending time with families, playing baseball, having birthday parties with friends and meeting their families.

But, also....Look at everyone. Shit, my grandparents have tablets, smart TVs, iphones, netflix and such. It isn't just a Millennial thing. Everyone relies on it.

What pushes me to want to succeed? DAMN!! I succeeded a lot in my young years. With sports, grades, education, learning things, building relationships, learning proper manners. I was one of the best athletes around. I was encouraged and felt like it would get me somewhere.

What will a 40k job get me these days? Hardly jack shit.

There is nothing to reach for....Its seriously messed up.
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You are a fucking dipshit moron if you think a 40k job won't get you shit. Spoiled rotten fool is what you are.
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Listen, GM. Youre wrong. Not all of you worked hard. I agree some of you oldtimers knew struggle, but it is not even close to some of us currently. Most of your generations knew better economic situation and grew up with cultural morals. You worked hard, you were rewarded.

At my age those that worked in your time could afford a house, marriage, kids. I worked myself to death and can afford none of those, next to that my rights are withold from me.

I also have learned myself to save money, and upheld the idealistic image to be succesful. Yet they justified to keep me poor.

Hey man, most of my generation dont do shit, they deserve what they have. Im speaking for the few among us who do everything they can for succes but are withheld their reward.

It has come to a point where it is beyond words how pathetic this is.

We are certainly targeted. Especially with the retarded kids who do absolutely nothing for gain but do gain, and the amount of rap kids and youtub wonders.

The most retarded species are rewarded but us die hards are completely forsaken.

This part of Europe they even find in strange some of us rolemodels among my generation turn to extremism and crime. I consider myself to be an extremist now, because it has forced me to bond with God to keep my sanity.

Write that in your nsa records. Aslong you people are scared shitless for confrontation im happy. Stay in your cowardly lanes.
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OP, you sound like a nice kid but the truth is most millennials were coddled to point that they don't know how to function in a life that is not always fair. That is your parents fault. Most kids born in the 80's and beyond never had to work for a thing.

My oldest is 16 years old, even though we have the means to give him much of what he wants, we do not. He must work for the "extras". The excuse that there isn't any work out there does not fly either. He mows lawns, shovels snow, stacks wood, paints, whatever he needs to do to make some money. I can tell you he is much more frugal with his money than he is with mine. He takes care of the the things he has because it was his sweat that got it for him.

Parents need to stop coddling their kids and prepare them for real life. If a kid is living in their basement at 30 than parenting went wrong somewhere along the line.
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I agree. Most, not all, millennials are seriously lacking in coping skills. They're clueless when it comes to budgeting money and it's mostly the parent's fault for not properly preparing them for the real world. I was raised on the premise that it's not just how much you make, but how much you spend.
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Re: Hear me out...To those who aren't Millennials.
"Anyway....Millennials were surrounded by positive things for our extremely important years. Those really young years are crucial to a human and their learning processes. We see everything and learn from everything we see. It was a pretty positive time in life."

I'm a Millennial and that wasn't my experience at all.

Glad you had a good upbringing but wouldn't say it was typical.
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Well, I am mostly speaking in general. Times were better for a lot of people. No one bitched about much. People spoke to each other. People actually cared about one an other.

A lot of people I knew grew up super well. Regardless where we were from. Most of the ones I know are really smart with a lot of things. Super athletic people and so on. Its just sad that we aren't given much of a chance.

But, yes I was lucky in many ways and I appreciate that a lot. It has made me into a good human. But, that is pretty much my point. So many of us were brought up so well and were promised "if you go to college, you can do whatever you want". That was because in the 80s and 90s, that was true! Our parents told us that because that is how it used to be!
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I was a teenager when you were born. Yes, things were cheaper but then again, the minimum wage was like $4.50 per hour. Yes, gas was around a dollar a gallon. It was all relative. I think you are romanticizing this time period. Mortgage interest rates were super high at that time...over 10%. I remember this because my parents were in the middle of buying a home in 1989 and they didn't know if they could qualify right before the loan was locked in because the interest rates were so volatile. In my neighborhood of the 80's, lots of people knew each other but lots did not. We didn't have BBQ's. But I also know my neighbors now and they are good people (I live out in the country, so it might be different).

I am a parent of a millennial and I have noticed some interesting things about this generation:

1. They don't appear to be interested in going out into the world and making their own way. They're not "chomping at the bit" to move out, to buy a house, or even to own a car and drive. I couldn't wait to drive and when I did, I had my own car.
2. They appear to be socially awkward when it comes to face-to-face interactions. This is not to say that they do not have the capability to speak to someone else on a "one on one" basis. It just means they are more comfortable in the electronic world where they can think about their comments before they actually make them, safe behind their iPhone, iPad or laptop. In real life, they can't sit and think about what they are going to say and edit it before they say it, and that appears to be hard for them.
3. They don't just "hang out" at each other's houses. Everything has to be planned ahead of time. No one just "drops by" to drop by. It's like they got stuck in the idea of a "play date" from their childhood and it never occurred to them just to hang out for the sake of hanging out with nothing specifically planned ahead of time.
4. They have no concept of privacy because they can't remember a time where the internet did not exist. It's natural and normal for them to paste their lives on the interest through Facebook, snapchat, Twitter and other similar social media sites.

Of course, there are always deviations from the norm, but generally this is what I find.
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Re: Hear me out...To those who aren't Millennials.
Not awake enough at the moment to type an intelligent contribution but I appreciate the thoughts offered in this thread.

I think the high rents and the student loan bills are what's throwing everything off. That and maybe unrealistic expectations like some said.

The rent is too damn high, that's a given, everywhere.
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Thus, at the age of about 12-13 I came to the conclusion that I would never grow up to be an adult. I was sure I would perish in nuclear fire before that. In hindsight, it was perhaps the best way to grow up.
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I remember thinking the same thing... I was about 5 years younger but I remember being really bummed out because I thought I would never get to drive a car because the world would end first.

Maybe that's where I got my taste for doom...

hmm
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The rent is too damn high, that's a given, everywhere.
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There isn't a lot that can be done about that... Most landlords are actually operating at break even or a small loss, unless you are talking about huge complexes.

Most of the people I know who own rental property are only getting the equity out of it right now.
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Re: Hear me out...To those who aren't Millennials.
I was born in '82 and at this point I'm grateful to have a job that pays 30k with full coverage health insurance and 401k. I went to college and paid my way working full time. I'm purposely living with my parents and paying a small rent just so I can save up money. I'll likely never own a house of my own, definitely not getting married. I'll try to save for possible retirement, but I'll likely be working into old age. It is what it is. We just have to deal with it and appreciate what we have. Once economic collapse comes these will seem like the good old days, I'm sure.
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Re: Hear me out...To those who aren't Millennials.
"Anyway....Millennials were surrounded by positive things for our extremely important years. Those really young years are crucial to a human and their learning processes. We see everything and learn from everything we see. It was a pretty positive time in life."

I'm a Millennial and that wasn't my experience at all.

Glad you had a good upbringing but wouldn't say it was typical.
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Sounds pretty typical to me....maybe your one of those negative fucks he's talking about...
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Re: Hear me out...To those who aren't Millennials.
I was born in the late 80s. Things were not bad then. People got married, had kids, families were closely tied for the most part, neighbors helped each other for free (and spoke to each other), people didn't work outrageous hours in most cases, there was no internet obviously, family dinners were common since food wasn't freakishly expensive, gas was cheap so going places wasn't a hassle (I remember gas being under a dollar when I was in my young years), jobs were obtainable and available, people could buy houses and not worry nearly as much today. The list goes on and on.

Millennials grew up seeing all of this. I remember being super young and having young parents. They bought their house when they were 20. Shit, they had a kid when they were 20! I don't think it is possible for a 20 year old to own a house now or have kid, unless they inherit money or the family owns a booming business.

Anyway....Millennials were surrounded by positive things for our extremely important years. Those really young years are crucial to a human and their learning processes. We see everything and learn from everything we see. It was a pretty positive time in life.

Finally the millennials start to grow up, finishing high school and going away to college. The day to buy college books comes and you realize that it isn't cheap. We buy food on our own, figure out how to get by on inexpensive foods. We live with all of our friends, so things are relatively cheaper since bills are split 4 or 5 ways. We are living off loan money, so it doesn't seem too bad.

The last day of college comes and you go where? Back home. Its really the only option. High as HECK because you completed a huge step in your life by graduating. None of it mattered. Your degree is worthless in most cases. Shit, even getting a job that pays 30k-40k isn't going to get you anywhere in some states. Those years after college are PACKED with negativity, the economy crashing, less jobs, people not being able to take care of themselves and so on. Kids....Are you kidding? I can hardly buy myself food. Marriage? What.....? How? A house....? Property taxes cost more than the mortgage.

We grew up where kids trick or treated, hung out with neighbors, smiled often because there were things to smile about and a lot of great things in general. It went from great to poor really fast.

Moral of the story is Millennials aren't lazy, clueless, stupid or whatever adjective it may be to describe them...
Times changed super fast and extremely negatively that it bogs you down so bad, it makes you want to give up. Every generation of humans has their bad ones, but if Millennials had a fair chance, I bet they would really succeed. Including myself...

Our only hope is to live barebones. Living barebones is unhealthy, unsafe, depressing and so on. Who wants to be a part of all that? No one I know now owns a house. Some rent crap holes, live at home or live at girlfriend/boyfriends parent's house. Sucks the wind right outta' you.

Don't hate on the all Millennials. There are A LOT of good ones and a lot of bad ones, but don't generalize.

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