Does faith override destiny or does destiny override faith?

they are intertwined.

G-d knows where you'd end up.
but you choose were to end up.

lets say you chose A, G-d knew you would choose A.
if you chose B, G-d had known that as well.

so you ask, what difference does it make?

well, I ask... do you know what G-d knows?

Maybe he decided he was tired of fighting and purposely chose to die in that battle.

The Will of the Arm vs. the Will of the Heart.

lol, my answer is one has nothing to do with the other...your destiny is your destiny...the only destiny your faith affects is what happens to your soul...here in the temporal,even a faithful person may have a horrible destiny ahead of them

That's a kinda innarestin' question.



A week ago I would have said that it's faith.

meh
who cares at this point. I'm not about to schmooze some crowners

Natalie=Iset???

The correct and only answer:

Only you can answer that because only you are experiencing your own life. Whatever you want your own life to be will be.

The very word "possible" only exists because we impose limits on everything we do with our senses. Think about that.

Faith is the acceptance of what you cannot fathom based
on a logical pattern that you can.

Destiny is something that is relative to your evolution in time.

God can override both.

Destiny over faith!

Ecclesiastes 3:1-2 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted..

Not really.

You cannot create outside of the laws
that govern your reality

everything created is subject to universal law &

order appropriately

outside of delusion


You are not master

go to wasaga on april 24th

byob

My faith is sort of like this. We are born into a fallen world so we can never avoid acting in a fallen manner ourselves. God gave us His law and that law convicts our sin.

If you don't separate yourself from your sin then you are also convicted by the law along with your sin. However, if you are freed from your sin, then you are freed from the law. My faith is that Christ freed me from the consequences of my sin, being judged along with it by the law.

So, to me your ultimate destiny is not a happy one unless you've detached from sin, and there is only one way to do that faith in Christ. But to get even more convoluted we still sin while we are alive in this body, but eternally we're separated from the consequences of that sin.

I guess I'm saying you are subject to destiny unless you exercise faith, and the object of that faith is very important. Having faith in a flying spaghetti monster isn't sufficient because it doesn't do anything for you in terms of this destiny quandary. I've yet to see another faith that offers you a way out of the destiny trap.

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One person's "faith" does not exist in a vacuum.

Suppose you have two people who "have faith" that two different things will happen?

If their level of "faith" is equal, does each one's faith cancel-out the other's faith?

The answer is that "faith" is anything but simple.

If you believe that G*d mandates certain (let's say) predispositions, then it stands to reason that such a G*d would show favour to the faith of those who embody those predispositions.

Then again, that same G*d may indicate that "faith" is nothing more than a confidence that everything that occurs is ultimately for the good.

That being the case, it really doesn't matter what you do or don't want, because your faith doesn't address the matters of your personal desires.

So is it written already? I have a death date for example. Is that already set in stone or can I change that? Some dude in the bible prayed and God spared his life when he was going t kill him. Or so I heard.

Another example is the promised land for the Israelites in Moses' day. But most did not enter because of unbelief. Gods will (their destiny) was for all of them to enter but only 2 did... So their faith made their destiny right?

Spiritual law overrides natural law

Im not even sure myself ..

Read this if you haven't :

[link to www.unicusmagazine.com]

Someone posted about it earlier this week ive read it, its very short about an hour read. And it's been on my mind ever since. it resonated with me and answered for me some questions I had about life, but also gave me even more questions and things to think about.

heres my take. I've thought about this subject too much and some of what i will write came from what i gained during meditation.

Whatever actually 'happens' is Gods Will. (destiny)
Gods will (destiny) is the ONLY Will.

We falsely perceive that we have free will, but this perception works so we can 'learn' and is part of the process.

Every event in every moment that actually 'happens' is when Gods will is done. When YOU use faith in that process, and it happens, YOU have aligned your will with his.

When you act in faith and it DOESN'T happen, it's because your will was not in alignment with Gods will. Gods will is the ONLY will.

The closer your will is aligned with Gods will, the 'miracles' increase. Perfect faith occurs when your will is the same as Gods.

and yes, this means that the seeming 'bad' things that happen are God's will as well.

God created ALL THINGS. and NOTHING can go against him except within illusions which have no meaning.

the truth is difficult to understand and to bear. that's why most people prefer ignorance and self deception.

Our destiny has been decreed when our souls were still lingering in the Akashic record. So generally, you can't change your destiny. Not even with your faith.

There is only ONE thing that can change your decreed destiny, and that, is PRAYING.

If you look up the word "prolong" in the Bible you'll find verses that might lead us to believe there's something we can do to prolong our days, but there's no account of someone actually prolonging their days in and of themselves, I believe it's a work only God can do. But there's at least one Biblical account, I believe you alluded to, and that's the case of King Hezekiah in 2 Kings chapter 20, the same account is repeated in Isaiah 38.

2 Kings 20:1-7 In those days was Hezekiah sick unto death. And the prophet Isaiah the son of Amoz came to him, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Set thine house in order; for thou shalt die, and not live. Then he turned his face to the wall, and prayed unto the LORD, saying, I beseech thee, O LORD, remember now how I have walked before thee in truth and with a perfect heart, and have done that which is good in thy sight. And Hezekiah wept sore. And it came to pass, before Isaiah was gone out into the middle court, that the word of the LORD came to him, saying, Turn again, and tell Hezekiah the captain of my people, Thus saith the LORD, the God of David thy father, I have heard thy prayer, I have seen thy tears: behold, I will heal thee: on the third day thou shalt go up unto the house of the LORD. And I will add unto thy days fifteen years; and I will deliver thee and this city out of the hand of the king of Assyria; and I will defend this city for mine own sake, and for my servant David's sake. And Isaiah said, Take a lump of figs. And they took and laid it on the boil, and he recovered.




The Israelites that DID NOT make it to the promise land, their destiny was to die wandering in the wilderness for 40 years. Joshua & Caleb & the children (20 years & younger) that made it to the promised land obviously had a different destiny.(Numbers 14) But I'm not sure this is a proper example, we're not under the same covenant as those Israelites, we are under the new covenant. (Jeremiah 31:31, Hebrews 8:8)

Numbers 14:27-35 How long shall I bear with this evil congregation, which murmur against me? I have heard the murmurings of the children of Israel, which they murmur against me. Say unto them, As truly as I live, saith the LORD, as ye have spoken in mine ears, so will I do to you: Your carcasses shall fall in this wilderness; and all that were numbered of you, according to your whole number, from twenty years old and upward, which have murmured against me, Doubtless ye shall not come into the land, concerning which I swore to make you dwell therein, save Caleb the son of Jephunneh, and Joshua the son of Nun. But your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, them will I bring in, and they shall know the land which ye have despised. But as for you, your carcasses, they shall fall in this wilderness. And your children shall wander in the wilderness forty years, and bear your whoredoms, until your carcasses be wasted in the wilderness. After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise. I the LORD have said, I will surely do it unto all this evil congregation, that are gathered together against me: in this wilderness they shall be consumed, and there they shall die.

I hope I didn't further confuse the issue. Personally, I believe we're predestinated before the foundation of the world. (Ephesians 1:4-5) Can we/will God prolong our days if we pray for it? I dunno'. Maybe you can find your answer in these verses:

Job 7:1 Is there not an appointed time to man upon earth? are not his days also like the days of a hireling?

Job 14:5 Seeing his days are determined, the number of his months are with thee, thou hast appointed his bounds that he cannot pass;

Ecclesiastes 3:14 I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be forever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it , that men should fear before him.

Ecclesiastes 3:1-2 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted..

Jeremiah 32:17 Ah Lord GOD! behold, thou hast made the heaven and the earth by thy great power and stretched out arm, and there is nothing too hard for thee:

Jeremiah 32:27 Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?



Last Edited by DREADN0T on 11/01/2015 12:41 PM

They are not even connected. This isnt even a valid question.

Faith-1.complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
2.strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.

destiny -events that will necessarily happen to a particular person or thing in the future.

you can have faith IN destiny. Faith is not the polar opposite of destiny.

…If you have been Chosen, Do you think you have a choice?

If someone is born into Royalty but is not loyal to their Royalty, are they still Royal?

And your Royalty was Before Birth…

….Their “path” the same, It’s your Destiny. Relax and go out. Destiny can not be changed…

Destiny is a demonic concept.