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Are Flat Earth believers CRAZY? Proof the EARTH is a ball to the non critical thinker [Video]

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Instead of answer/opinion at this stage lets look at the two arguments.

Sphere earth theory concerning Lunar eclipse in a bastardized nutshell: The spherical(ish) earth is directly between the sun an moon. The earth casts it's shadow on the moon. During a partial lunar eclipse you can see the "edge" of the earths shadow on the moon, the earths shadow will/does have a curved edge as it moves across the moon.

Who can please provide the FET explanation for these observations? honestly I would like to know what the argument is for this one. I'm open minded and even willing to call this one a possible draw if there is an argument here. I just have not heard it yet.

Once we get the two arguments side by side we can evaluate and see if either hypothesis stands alone or is adequately challenged.
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You need to make certain assumptions about the Sun and Moon for this to work with either model.

If the question is "What is the shape of the Earth", can it not be answered directly by observing the Earth itself, and not making an argument based upon the heavenly bodies, of which we may know even less?

By the way, the Flat Earth model does not say what the entire Earth is shaped like; it just says that the inhabited part is flat. For the sake of argument, the inhabited part could be in a crater on a much larger spherical planet, the "ice wall" being the edge of the crater.

Unless you make a direct measurement (curvature, exact distances, etc) of the Earth itself, you will be basing you beliefs on assumptions and arguments.
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I like the discussion, what would the assumptions that would have to be made for the FET to include the Lunar Eclipse observations?

I do not disagree with any of your points. I am actually very much in agreement. The problem being, there are so many observations and evidences where you can fit a series of assumptions to benefit either theory.

If a logical argument (including assumptions) can be made for both spherical and flat scenarios, then I will either call it a draw or dig in to begin disproving one or the other.

I am drawn to the Coriolis Force effect and Lunar Eclipse right now because I have yet to hear any "fit" in the FET model. I am actually very interested in what assumptions would have to be made to make it fit.
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For example, with a lunar eclipse, the assumption is that the moon is lighted by the Sun, and it is being occluded by the Earth, and not by some other object. Then after you assume it is the Earth's shadow, you make a conclusion about the shape of the Earth. While these assumptions may be simple and reasonable, they are still assumptions.

Isn't the Coriolis Force effect an issue having to do with the supposed rotation of the Earth, not the shape?

It is very interesting that wind patterns seem to make the most sense on the Azimuthal Equidistant (Flat Earth) map.
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Yes, I agree those are assumptions primarily associated to the Spherical earth theory. What are the assumptions for these same observations that fit FET? The observations in question are what is being called a "lunar eclipse".

I am anticipating that FET will say this is not a lunar eclipse at all, but what is the explanation/assumptions then for these observations? I'd really like to know.

Do I need to walk through the specific observations in question? I think what is being "defined" as a lunar eclipse is readily apparent. Please provide the FET assumptions that fit these observations.
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Yes, I agree those are assumptions primarily associated to the Spherical earth theory. What are the assumptions for these same observations that fit FET? The observations in question are what is being called a "lunar eclipse".

I am anticipating that FET will say this is not a lunar eclipse at all, but what is the explanation/assumptions then for these observations? I'd really like to know.

Do I need to walk through the specific observations in question? I think what is being "defined" as a lunar eclipse is readily apparent. Please provide the FET assumptions that fit these observations.
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I understand the question. I do not know if there is a standard FE explanation for this. One explanation used in the FE community is that there is a dark heavenly object which travels a path like that of the Moon, and occasionally moves in front of it.

I do not know if they have an explanation as to why this object would always be dark, and never lighted by the Sun. I do not recall seeing any diagrams as to its position.

There may be other explanations as well. FE believers do not agree on the details of the heavenly objects.

If you want a more detailed answer, you would need to ask a FE believer, and I suspect you will get different answers, depending on who you ask.
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Re: Are Flat Earth believers CRAZY? Proof the EARTH is a ball to the non critical thinker [Video]
Gaspard-Gustave Coriolis performed several experiments showing the effect of kinetic energy on rotating systems, which have ever since become mythologized as proof of the heliocentric theory.

The “Coriolis Effect” is often said to cause sinks and toilet bowls in the Northern Hemisphere to drain spinning in one direction while in the Southern Hemisphere causing them to spin the opposite way, thus providing proof of the spinning ball-Earth.

Once again, however, just like Foucault’s Pendulums spinning either which way, sinks and toilets in the Northern and Southern Hemispheres do not consistently spin in any one direction! Sinks and toilets in the very same household are often found to spin opposite directions, depending entirely upon the shape of the basin and the angle of the water’s entry, not the supposed rotation of the Earth.

“While the premise makes sense - that the earth’s eastward spin would cause the water in a toilet bowl to spin as well - in reality, the force and speed at which the water enters and leaves the receptacle is much too great to be influenced by something as miniscule as a single, 360-degree turn over the span of a day.

When all is said and done, the Coriolis effect plays no larger role in toilet flushes than it does in the revolution of CDs in your stereo. The things that really determine the direction in which water leaves your toilet or sink are the shape of the bowl and the angle at which the liquid initially enters that bowl.” -Jennifer Horton, “Does the Rotation of the Earth Affect Toilets and Baseball Games?” Science.HowStuffWorks.com

The Coriolis Effect is also said to affect bullet trajectories and weather patterns as well, supposedly causing most storms in the Northern Hemisphere to rotate counter-clockwise, and most storms in the Southern Hemisphere to rotate clockwise, to cause bullets from long range guns to tend towards the right of the target in the Northern Hemisphere and to the left in the Southern Hemisphere. Again, however, the same problems remain. Not every bullet and not every storm consistently displays the behavior and therefore cannot reasonably be used as proof of anything.

What about the precision of the sight aperture, human error, and wind? What about Michelson-Morley-Gale’s proven motion of the aether’s potential effect? Why does the Coriolis Effect affect most storms but not all? If some storms rotate clockwise in the North and counter-clockwise in the South, how do those storms escape the Coriolis force? And if the entire Earth’s spin is uniform, why should the two hemispheres be affected any differently?

Coriolis’s Effect and Foucault’s Pendulum are both said to prove the Earth moves beneath our feet, but in reality only prove how easy it can be for wolves in sheep’s clothing to pull the wool over our eyes.

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Re: Are Flat Earth believers CRAZY? Proof the EARTH is a ball to the non critical thinker [Video]
THE EARTH IS NOT SPINNING AT 1000 MPH AND TRAVELING AROUND THE SUN AT 17,000 MPH. SORRY, IT'S JUST NOT. JUST THINK.
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I've been doing research on the F.E. evidences and the proofs for AND against it, and I'm still currently at a loss. When you strip away the "argument from authority", i.e., when you open your mind to the possibility of a FE as opposed to government and NASA saying it's a sphere, you can come to some interesting conclusions.

I found that many arguments and calculations can be true for both FE and SE (sphere earth), such as the moon face - northern hemisphere sees one face, while southern hemisphere sees a mirror image. That can be true on a flat and a global earth.

So far, evidence seems to be leaning, in some areas, towards FE, while at the same time, some things lean toward spherical.

I think FE'rs need to be a bit more humble, though. Just because we may very well be on a FE, doesn't mean you need to be smug about it, because YOU believed in a sphere at one point too.

And to globalists, I think you need to be more humble as well, instead of calling FE'rs retarded.

FACT IS - None of us fucking know for 100% sure, because NONE of us have been to space to see the Earth for ourselves.

There is no "burden of proof" in this case, either. So, jeez, let's all work together to figure this one out, yeah? If you believe in FE, study and share your findings, if you don't believe in it, move along or try your best to debunk/show proof in a spherical earth.

We're all here to study and learn from each other.

Stop acting like fucking children about it.
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Perfect reply
I have spent a lot of time on FE and find the theory fascinating
But I refuse to believe all of the people on the space station and astronauts are in on a conspiracy
The FE response is that they are Mason's
But there are women and non whites on the space station and they aren't Mason's.


Can a FE respond to this serious question
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Re: Are Flat Earth believers CRAZY? Proof the EARTH is a ball to the non critical thinker [Video]
what a fucking mind fuck, psyop kind of thread.

for heavens sake grow up!

and no, earth isn't the centre of the universe.

we've been to the moon.
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Re: Are Flat Earth believers CRAZY? Proof the EARTH is a ball to the non critical thinker [Video]
Actually more egg shaped.. than oval
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Re: Are Flat Earth believers CRAZY? Proof the EARTH is a ball to the non critical thinker [Video]
and Bones are loaded with calcium just like the egg shell
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Re: Are Flat Earth believers CRAZY? Proof the EARTH is a ball to the non critical thinker [Video]
THE EARTH IS NOT SPINNING AT 1000 MPH AND TRAVELING AROUND THE SUN AT 17,000 MPH. SORRY, IT'S JUST NOT. JUST THINK.
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It is actually static since it is hard and solid, smaller particles movies faster since they are LIGHTer like the Air.
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THE EARTH IS NOT SPINNING AT 1000 MPH AND TRAVELING AROUND THE SUN AT 17,000 MPH. SORRY, IT'S JUST NOT. JUST THINK.
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It is actually static since it is hard and solid, smaller particles movies faster since they are LIGHTer like the Air.
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In other words, the things you see in the sky are moving not us... :)
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Re: Are Flat Earth believers CRAZY? Proof the EARTH is a ball to the non critical thinker [Video]
Look at your speaker set-up, the tweeter produces the higher frequencies and does not requires a big size (Sky is muc smaller than you think)

Subwoofer produces the Bass and other low frequencies But needs a bigger size (Earth is the biggest thing of the Universe if this true)
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Just my opinion
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Re: Are Flat Earth believers CRAZY? Proof the EARTH is a ball to the non critical thinker [Video]
A misconception I see often is that the crescent moon is due to the earth shadow. Could be a similar misconception about the eclipse shadow.





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