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Funny how all of the shills on here immediately dismiss desalination of ocean water as the obvious solution, as sprawling golf courses continue to get watered and Nestle & Walmart continue to drain water from the state.



This billionaire wants to solve California's water problem
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Manoj Bhargava, the man behind 5-Hour Energy, believes his affordable desalination technology can equally help wealthy Californians and poor Indians.

[...]

Take the Rain Maker, a desalination unit roughly the size of a flatbed truck that relies on a conventional power source to distill seawater into freshwater well beyond Environmental Protection Agency guidelines. A single Rain Maker can be placed in a town with a wastewater plant. In a crisis, hundreds could be stacked on an ocean barge to process seawater. Coastal desalination facilities typically cost billions to construct and require massive amounts of energy. Could the Rain Maker, produced at industrial scale, pull California back from the brink of disaster? The forecast looks promising. Regulators at the Brackish Groundwater National Desalination Research Facility, a testing facility administered in New Mexico by the Department of the Interior, have given it a stamp of approval.

[...]

The Stage 2 team aims to put the Rain Maker into production by the first quarter of 2016.

[...]
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No let California die.
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so great instead of drought we will now have radioactive vegetables..
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so great instead of drought we will now have radioactive vegetables..
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A valid concern, but it's already being done anyway.

With the units in the OP being portable, at least it would be possible to test the water used for radiation levels beforehand.


California to Ease Drought with Radiation Contaminated Ocean Water?
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so great instead of drought we will now have radioactive vegetables..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46430702


A valid concern, but it's already being done anyway.

With the units in the OP being portable, at least it would be possible to test the water used for radiation levels beforehand.


California to Ease Drought with Radiation Contaminated Ocean Water?
[link to drsircus.com]
 Quoting: Ag47



well if they do reverse osmosis on it maybe they can remove some of the raidation.

but Im sure they are not that smart
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so great instead of drought we will now have radioactive vegetables..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46430702


A valid concern, but it's already being done anyway.

With the units in the OP being portable, at least it would be possible to test the water used for radiation levels beforehand.


California to Ease Drought with Radiation Contaminated Ocean Water?
[link to drsircus.com]
 Quoting: Ag47



well if they do reverse osmosis on it maybe they can remove some of the raidation.

but Im sure they are not that smart
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46430702


It is one of the methods suggested by the EPA for that purpose.



[link to water.epa.gov]

[...]

How will radionuclides be removed from my drinking water?
The following treatment method(s) have proven to be effective in removing radionuclides at levels below their MCLs:

- Beta particle and Photon Radiation: ion exchange and reverse osmosis;

- (Gross) Alpha Emitters: reverse osmosis;

- Radium 226 and Radium 228 (Combined): ion exchange, reverse osmosis, lime softening;

- Uranium: Ion exchange, reverse osmosis, lime softening, coagulation/filtration.

[...]
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so great instead of drought we will now have radioactive vegetables..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46430702


A valid concern, but it's already being done anyway.

With the units in the OP being portable, at least it would be possible to test the water used for radiation levels beforehand.


California to Ease Drought with Radiation Contaminated Ocean Water?
[link to drsircus.com]
 Quoting: Ag47



well if they do reverse osmosis on it maybe they can remove some of the raidation.

but Im sure they are not that smart
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46430702


It is one of the methods suggested by the EPA for that purpose.



[link to water.epa.gov]

[...]

How will radionuclides be removed from my drinking water?
The following treatment method(s) have proven to be effective in removing radionuclides at levels below their MCLs:

- Beta particle and Photon Radiation: ion exchange and reverse osmosis;

- (Gross) Alpha Emitters: reverse osmosis;

- Radium 226 and Radium 228 (Combined): ion exchange, reverse osmosis, lime softening;

- Uranium: Ion exchange, reverse osmosis, lime softening, coagulation/filtration.

[...]

 Quoting: Ag47


I've read of his technology, and it makes sense to me to start de-centralizing water delivery, and to start (at least) utilizing this and other new technologies on a neighborhood and family level in addition to the monolply utilities which are the model all over the US.

This technology seem totally appropriate for small towns, families, and neighborhoods to put to work for their needs, and the investment is not so great as standard desalination plants. A few families in a cul de sac, for example, could quite possibly go together. A lot of bureaucracy would have to be dismanteled for this to work tho.
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There is another technology which would be good for families who live in areas with high humidity, and that is the atmospheric water generator, which is much like a duhidifier. They are a popular household appliance in China, where the water is unbelievably poluted nationwide.
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Most likely way of providing water will be to resue wastewater as drinking water through a process called reverse osmosis, which can capture up to 95% of toilet, shower, and other forms of water and turn it into drinking or reuseabke water.
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How much will it cost for the process? How much will the new water cost? I hope they figure out something. 5*
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A valid concern, but it's already being done anyway.

With the units in the OP being portable, at least it would be possible to test the water used for radiation levels beforehand.


California to Ease Drought with Radiation Contaminated Ocean Water?
[link to drsircus.com]
 Quoting: Ag47



well if they do reverse osmosis on it maybe they can remove some of the raidation.

but Im sure they are not that smart
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46430702


It is one of the methods suggested by the EPA for that purpose.



[link to water.epa.gov]

[...]

How will radionuclides be removed from my drinking water?
The following treatment method(s) have proven to be effective in removing radionuclides at levels below their MCLs:

- Beta particle and Photon Radiation: ion exchange and reverse osmosis;

- (Gross) Alpha Emitters: reverse osmosis;

- Radium 226 and Radium 228 (Combined): ion exchange, reverse osmosis, lime softening;

- Uranium: Ion exchange, reverse osmosis, lime softening, coagulation/filtration.

[...]

 Quoting: Ag47


I've read of his technology, and it makes sense to me to start de-centralizing water delivery, and to start (at least) utilizing this and other new technologies on a neighborhood and family level in addition to the monolply utilities which are the model all over the US.

This technology seem totally appropriate for small towns, families, and neighborhoods to put to work for their needs, and the investment is not so great as standard desalination plants. A few families in a cul de sac, for example, could quite possibly go together. A lot of bureaucracy would have to be dismanteled for this to work tho.
 Quoting: Lily o' the Valley


Absolutely, and I can't help but notice that any time desalination is mentioned as a solution to California's manufactured water scarcity, the liberal commie types always instantly dismiss it as not being feasible. As if they prefer the alternative, ie- no fresh water.
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There is another technology which would be good for families who live in areas with high humidity, and that is the atmospheric water generator, which is much like a duhidifier. They are a popular household appliance in China, where the water is unbelievably poluted nationwide.
 Quoting: Lily o' the Valley


Interesting, I think I remember seeing something about this before.
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How much will it cost for the process? How much will the new water cost? I hope they figure out something. 5*
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I haven't seen anything with specific costs other than saying the portable units are much more cost effective than the permanent desalination facilities.
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Funny how all of the shills on here immediately dismiss desalination of ocean water as the obvious solution, as sprawling golf courses continue to get watered and Nestle & Walmart continue to drain water from the state.



This billionaire wants to solve California's water problem
[link to fortune.com]

Manoj Bhargava, the man behind 5-Hour Energy, believes his affordable desalination technology can equally help wealthy Californians and poor Indians.

[...]

Take the Rain Maker, a desalination unit roughly the size of a flatbed truck that relies on a conventional power source to distill seawater into freshwater well beyond Environmental Protection Agency guidelines. A single Rain Maker can be placed in a town with a wastewater plant. In a crisis, hundreds could be stacked on an ocean barge to process seawater. Coastal desalination facilities typically cost billions to construct and require massive amounts of energy. Could the Rain Maker, produced at industrial scale, pull California back from the brink of disaster? The forecast looks promising. Regulators at the Brackish Groundwater National Desalination Research Facility, a testing facility administered in New Mexico by the Department of the Interior, have given it a stamp of approval.

[...]

The Stage 2 team aims to put the Rain Maker into production by the first quarter of 2016.

[...]

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Have no fear, Spock is here!!! LLAP
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Most likely way of providing water will be to resue wastewater as drinking water through a process called reverse osmosis, which can capture up to 95% of toilet, shower, and other forms of water and turn it into drinking or reuseabke water.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70386651


This is already being done in some areas (parts of Texas for sure) and California has plans of their own as well.



‘Toilet to tap’: California considers sewage as possible source of drinking water amid drought
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R/O does not remove radiation.
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R/O does not remove radiation.
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Might wanna let these guys know.


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I shit you not a year ago I was speaking to a fella that worked at a water facility in California. I asked about this and he said they had desalination facilities but removed them in the 90s cause they weren't being utilized. Bet they wish they had em now!
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someone should tell him rain maker is slang for a get rich quick scheme.
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California is already doing desalinization.
Nothing new.

Some rich guy may want to sell fresh water for a huge
profit, but he's not special.
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No let California die.
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They've already drained their lakes and now they wanna drain the ocean? Wtf
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well if they do reverse osmosis on it maybe they can remove some of the raidation.

but Im sure they are not that smart
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46430702


It is one of the methods suggested by the EPA for that purpose.



[link to water.epa.gov]

[...]

How will radionuclides be removed from my drinking water?
The following treatment method(s) have proven to be effective in removing radionuclides at levels below their MCLs:

- Beta particle and Photon Radiation: ion exchange and reverse osmosis;

- (Gross) Alpha Emitters: reverse osmosis;

- Radium 226 and Radium 228 (Combined): ion exchange, reverse osmosis, lime softening;

- Uranium: Ion exchange, reverse osmosis, lime softening, coagulation/filtration.

[...]

 Quoting: Ag47


I've read of his technology, and it makes sense to me to start de-centralizing water delivery, and to start (at least) utilizing this and other new technologies on a neighborhood and family level in addition to the monolply utilities which are the model all over the US.

This technology seem totally appropriate for small towns, families, and neighborhoods to put to work for their needs, and the investment is not so great as standard desalination plants. A few families in a cul de sac, for example, could quite possibly go together. A lot of bureaucracy would have to be dismanteled for this to work tho.
 Quoting: Lily o' the Valley


Absolutely, and I can't help but notice that any time desalination is mentioned as a solution to California's manufactured water scarcity, the liberal commie types always instantly dismiss it as not being feasible. As if they prefer the alternative, ie- no fresh water.
 Quoting: Ag47


I believe that is because the liberal Communist mindset is basically anti-human, and their goal is to eliminate most humans. So it stands to reason that they will not support solutions, and instead promote destructive or useless programs.
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California is already doing desalinization.
Nothing new.

Some rich guy may want to sell fresh water for a huge
profit, but he's not special.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42774016


They're doing it small scale and the costs are through the roof because it is a bureaucratic clusterfuck. Some rich guy has a plan that is achievable.
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They've already drained their lakes and now they wanna drain the ocean? Wtf
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"They" who drained the lakes are not the citizens, it's the corporations. And the Pacific is hazardous anyway due to radiation, so chill out and drink your fuku-water.
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I saw the documentary on this guy a month or two ago. Thing is he doesn't mention the energy cost of the process.
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It is one of the methods suggested by the EPA for that purpose.



[link to water.epa.gov]

[...]

How will radionuclides be removed from my drinking water?
The following treatment method(s) have proven to be effective in removing radionuclides at levels below their MCLs:

- Beta particle and Photon Radiation: ion exchange and reverse osmosis;

- (Gross) Alpha Emitters: reverse osmosis;

- Radium 226 and Radium 228 (Combined): ion exchange, reverse osmosis, lime softening;

- Uranium: Ion exchange, reverse osmosis, lime softening, coagulation/filtration.

[...]

 Quoting: Ag47


I've read of his technology, and it makes sense to me to start de-centralizing water delivery, and to start (at least) utilizing this and other new technologies on a neighborhood and family level in addition to the monolply utilities which are the model all over the US.

This technology seem totally appropriate for small towns, families, and neighborhoods to put to work for their needs, and the investment is not so great as standard desalination plants. A few families in a cul de sac, for example, could quite possibly go together. A lot of bureaucracy would have to be dismanteled for this to work tho.
 Quoting: Lily o' the Valley


Absolutely, and I can't help but notice that any time desalination is mentioned as a solution to California's manufactured water scarcity, the liberal commie types always instantly dismiss it as not being feasible. As if they prefer the alternative, ie- no fresh water.
 Quoting: Ag47


I believe that is because the liberal Communist mindset is basically anti-human, and their goal is to eliminate most humans. So it stands to reason that they will not support solutions, and instead promote destructive or useless programs.
 Quoting: Lily o' the Valley


Absofuckinlutely, my dear friend. (sorry, I'm trying to cut back on my profanity but it seemed fitting)

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