It all ends here

What u are noticing is the common denominator of mythology of every human culture.

Just as we don't learn how to learn a lanauage as an infant, we are born with the ability.

Same mythology. We are born with thr ability to create it.


So you haven't disproved Jesus. (Jesus was real and the fake parts are symbols for the Self, not the sun). You've actually pointed out another topic that there is something inherent to the human mind that is there before we experience anything.

Except the Bible explicitly tells people not to worship the sun, and equates astrology with the devil.

Fail.

Eze 8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, [were] about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.


Eze 8:17 ¶ Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen [this], O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose.

There are other verses, that is just one.

It is just such an obviously wrong theory, and has been debunked so many times. But whatever gets you through the night, I suppose.

I love the sun, Jesus never existed. Praise the sun!

In the OT, when God was asked if there were other Gods, he said that he didn't know of any other.
Soooo, if the sun is God, there seem to be billions or trillions of other gods, because there are billions or trillions of other stars? Is that what you are saying?

You guys are gettin lost in arguing mythological figures.

Wonder why the mythology exists in the first place... You might say "to create meaning", but why does every culture end up with the same symbols in their mythology?


Exploration of this question will lead you within and to authentic faith.

One man's "plagiarist" is another man's "corroborating witness"

Similar beliefs and religious archetypes popping up simultaneously in geographically separated cultures... it would make sense if they had the internet back then

But they didn't

Fiji

No serious historian debates whether Jesus existed, we know he did. You should read Greenleaf's book on Christ, he was one of the founders of Harvard Law school. He did a mock trial with the evidence for Christ and the resurrection and the evidence for the Biblical account is incontrovertible.

But of course, new agers and atheists don't want evidence or logic, the want to be justified in living however they want to with no consequences.

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth!!...this is a beginning not an end...the only reason things haven't changed is because of the ptb and the NSA...

Thank you I will look that up.

Nee Agers and atheists are on the same path as we are, a maze. They want to get to the end as much as we do. I think they are just lost in the maze, as we are. They don't not want consequences.

A girl I know actually does bad things, but she never advocates for evil. She deludes herself into believing she's a Christian, so she never has to acknowlede the sorrow she causes others. I'd sooner trust someone lost in the maze looking for the exit than someone like her who sits down at a dead end and builds a house.

then 'he' would have to be female

The sun is not Lucifer. Actually mom to the solar system and gives birth to planets.

Their dark star is their sol and sun, and that is saturn.

And Saturn isn't Lucifer either.

Also, light is actually good, so I never could figure out the whole lucifer thing.

If you're sensitive like me and have spiritual battles occasionally, or whatever they are, its in the shadow they occur. Its always in the shadow.

And bad guys, entities are not just the devil or lucifer. There isn't one thing like that.

The sun is an input of Light, it isn't an entity at all. Electric Universe, its the laser that erects the hologram. And also, if this is mirrored from a Higher Level/Dimension, its an input system.

I always equate Light on a metaphysic level to shine. We're to shine. So Love Shine.

Don't let the sun grow dim, thats our Love Shine.

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Remember though that Jesus was/is the very definition of ushering in a new age.

The Bible's right ya know

I hate to point out the obvious, but you are the personification of a blithering idiot.

The term 'God' in the Old Testament is a proper name, other wise it would state 'the God'.

Example:

In the beginning God created...

as opposed to:

In the beginning the God created...

Point is 'God', as used in the Bible, is a proper name.

Lucifer bears false light. He gives knowledge and pleasure that eventually harm an individual. Things like promiscuous sex, adultery, murder, drugs, basically anything God tells man not to do, Lucifer implores us to do.

Because he knows that these things give a fleeting moments physical and mental pleasure, and then we are left cold and needing more and more, until we are so debased and so depressed that we can't find anymore joy, no matter how much we sin. It leads to Nihlism, despair.

God tells us to stay away from sin because He loves us, and He knows it will eventually bring us into this state. He wants us to have a relationship with Him because He knows that only His love can fulfill us. Sin leads to death. Christ is the way, the truth and the life.

Lucifer wants to see himself as the lightbringer, but he brings nothing but misery.

That means if he comes we all will be fried by a huge solar flare!

(Interesing)

satan's most promising targets for deception (leading them astray to an eternity of misery) is stupid and gullible people. He tells them the lie and then smiles while explaining how smart they are for now knowing the truth (which is the lie). Like I said, they are stupid and gullible people.

THE 2 ARE DIFERENT FACES OF A SINGLE COIN (DECEIT) THEIR good versus evil WARs look more like a sadomasochistic marriage , answers no logic , dives into the lunacy regions of illogical thinking resting on the sycophantic religion mind control schemes used by a dominant force minority to suppress a majority into enslavement .

Oh you are gifted OP. Now here is some change and a hockey helmut. Get on the bus and back to your trailer.

In actuality OP has untreated late stage syphilis. OP you have many spirochaetes feasting on your brain.

Here? Not there?

Religion is a man made concept and a favorite tool of the devil. God is not a man made concept, and has nothing to do with religion.

The law was given to show man that we need a savior, that no amount of law or religion can save us.

Based on what you just wrote, basically Buddhist nonsense, there is no right or wrong. It is an livable and nonsense world view, again, perpetuated by Lucifer, and yet one more way that he leads men into despair.

yep, here's an easier to understand version

Welcome to YouTube University!

Here's a breakdown:

Part One

0:00 - 0:30
The premise of the video is stated as a foregone conclusion

0:30 - 3:30
CGI intro depicting John receiving a revelation

3:30 - 4:50
Narrator notes that the Big Dipper asterism contains 7 visible stars. Lists a few religious myths with groupings of 7

4:50 - 6:35
Asserts that the seven stars of the Big Dipper are “near” the “Celestial Throne” of Cassiopeia, despite the fact that they are well on the other side of the “Celestial Pole”. Compares to the seven spirits of Revelation 1:4. Nevermind that Cassiopeia is female. Claims that the Milky Way is the “rainbow” that “encircles the throne” (Rev 4:3). Nevermind that the Milky Way neither looks like a rainbow nor appears “circular” from Earth (video describes it as an “arch”)

6:35 - 7:14
Asserts that mention of gemstones is meant to describe stars

7:15 - 7:25
Despite claiming that Cassiopeia is the enthroned, narrator then asserts that the enthroned is Jesus, who is an allegory for the Sun (never mind that the sun isn’t part of Cassiopeia)

7:25 - 8:27
Narrator claims that sardine stones and jasper (red and clear, respectively) represent the sun during the day in white (not clear) and the rising/setting sun as red. Nevermind that the sun is yellow in appearance

8:27 - 9:30
Claims that there is a “connection” because there were 12 tribes and 12 zodiac symbols. Nevermind that there are 13 zodiac symbols.

9:30 - 10:06
Points to one middle-ages text in which there is a picture of Cassiopeia tied to two posts and says that it represents Jesus because the throne represents a cross. Nevermind that there’s no cross in the picture and no explanation of how the throne represents a cross

10:06 - 12:00
Conflates mention of 24 elders with 24 hour period in a day

12:00 - 13:31
Uses Rev 4:7 to compare Leo with a lion, Taurus with a calf, Aquarius to a man’s face (?) and Scorpio to an eagle (backsteps this inconsistency by saying it might represent Aquila, which is “nearby”)

13:31 - 14:23
Claims, with no other supporting evidence, that the four points of the cross represent the four seasons

The first video appears to be a Gish Gallop of correlation/causation fallacies, nothing new going on here

On to the next part, I hope it's more interesting than the first!

Part Two

0:00 - 1:22
Cites Ezekiel 1 and repeats previous claims

1:22 - 2:40
Says that the 6 wings of the seraphim represent the 6 sections of each of the 4 constellations in question. Continues to use medieval sources for claims about much older concepts

2:40 - 4:12
More non-sequitur comparisons

4:12 - 14:21
Names other myths that describe the movement of the sun as a chariot. Nevermind that there are notable differences between them. Loosely compares 4 horsemen to seasons

Conclusion
Even if the video wasn’t based on glaring inconsistencies and bad logic, it would still only show weak correlations or coincidences, not causation.

Even if the writer of Revelation (one of the latest-written books of the Bible) was influenced by astrology, these correlations don’t represent the basis of the Christian belief structure, which existed before they were even written.

Trying to use this nonsense to troll Christians is a waste of time anyway, they could just as easily say that God shaped the heavens in such a way that they would tell the story of what was already happening.

I know OP won’t reply, but the claim that he’s “gifted” because he based his worldview on a deceptive YT video… I’d be embarrassed if I was him

WoW! Are you really that dull?
What I wrote is 100% correct. Go find a high degree mason and ask him who he worships - 99% of the time, their answer will be Heylel. And you argue here whether it's the sun or saturn.