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Russian endgamer: S-500 will be the end game when it's finished (Mikhail Yuriev)

 
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Re: Russian endgamer: S-500 will be the end game when it's finished (Mikhail Yuriev)
S-500 nickname "Prometheus" - 500-600km range
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We prefer our names. In Russian it's nicknamed "Samoderzhets" - "Autocrat".


Answering the rest of the discussion - I don't see any meaning in quoting each and every post here - yeah, S-500 will be the anti-missile complex, not the anti-jet one. Which doesn't mean however that it can't be used against aerodynamic targets as well as against ballistic ones. That's for starters.

The number in the codename is a projected range for this type of armaments. So, yeah, about 500km range with at least 2/3 of it in altitude: i.e. it should be able to take down most of spy satellites. And surely all GPS satellites that are passing near.

Considering it's projected characteristics... It's made against American perspective hypersonic warheads. Those warheads are developed to be able to maneuver on hypersonic velocities, so the missiles of S-500 should be able to do better than that to intercept them. I.e. it's not just the "evolution" of S-300 or S-400, it's a completely different level of technology.
But no, S-500 is not alike to American anti-missile shield. Completely different philosophies here. American anti-missiles are made (and here's all meaning of having widespread Aegis system and stationary bases in Europe) to intercept ICBM while it's gaining. That's why Yuriev is pointing out that by changing the direction from which the missile comes you can negate American defences. All Russian countermeasures are centered on intercepting declining missile and its warhead.

Considering war tech propaganda. Yeah, you are somewhat right - and the readiness of Russia to show and demonstrate our weapons are actually a illustration that we don't want any war. If we wanted war, we'd just restored our war potential in secret to take everyone by surprise.

About Turkey - just placing S-400 in Latakia, we are covering half of Turkey, most of Israel and all Cyprus by our radars. Which are, by the way, hidden by our EW systems which exclude precision targeting and most of detection methods. It's quite enough. And I do believe that the base there is protected on the ground.
If Turkey goes full retard and tries to attack however, I'd say that the last thing that will worry them will be the state of affairs in Syria. It's almost exactly 500 km (Iskander-M range) from Crimean southern coast to Ankara...

Oh, and about rocket technologies. I'll concur that the general level of Russia and US is almost the same. But the different principles and axiomatic ideas make some things easier for us and some - for you. For example, NASA still lacks good enough liquid fuel rocket engine and is forced to by Russian-made. It does say something.
Apparently it was much easier for us to take and adapt electronics that was always an edge for Western rocket technologies, than for the West to adapt our technological processes.
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Good analysis.
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No wonder the West have always tried to get Russian nation addicted to alcohol to screw up their exceptional gene pool.
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Re: Russian endgamer: S-500 will be the end game when it's finished (Mikhail Yuriev)
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Well, if the things Yuriev is saying towards the end are true, then the sudden fervent antagonizing of Russia by the West becomes easier to understand.
It could potentially undermine the whole US hegemony, effectively destroying dollar as a side effect.
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I agree
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S-500 nickname "Prometheus" - 500-600km range
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70042505


We prefer our names. In Russian it's nicknamed "Samoderzhets" - "Autocrat".


Answering the rest of the discussion - I don't see any meaning in quoting each and every post here - yeah, S-500 will be the anti-missile complex, not the anti-jet one. Which doesn't mean however that it can't be used against aerodynamic targets as well as against ballistic ones. That's for starters.

The number in the codename is a projected range for this type of armaments. So, yeah, about 500km range with at least 2/3 of it in altitude: i.e. it should be able to take down most of spy satellites. And surely all GPS satellites that are passing near.

Considering it's projected characteristics... It's made against American perspective hypersonic warheads. Those warheads are developed to be able to maneuver on hypersonic velocities, so the missiles of S-500 should be able to do better than that to intercept them. I.e. it's not just the "evolution" of S-300 or S-400, it's a completely different level of technology.
But no, S-500 is not alike to American anti-missile shield. Completely different philosophies here. American anti-missiles are made (and here's all meaning of having widespread Aegis system and stationary bases in Europe) to intercept ICBM while it's gaining. That's why Yuriev is pointing out that by changing the direction from which the missile comes you can negate American defences. All Russian countermeasures are centered on intercepting declining missile and its warhead.

Considering war tech propaganda. Yeah, you are somewhat right - and the readiness of Russia to show and demonstrate our weapons are actually a illustration that we don't want any war. If we wanted war, we'd just restored our war potential in secret to take everyone by surprise.

About Turkey - just placing S-400 in Latakia, we are covering half of Turkey, most of Israel and all Cyprus by our radars. Which are, by the way, hidden by our EW systems which exclude precision targeting and most of detection methods. It's quite enough. And I do believe that the base there is protected on the ground.
If Turkey goes full retard and tries to attack however, I'd say that the last thing that will worry them will be the state of affairs in Syria. It's almost exactly 500 km (Iskander-M range) from Crimean southern coast to Ankara...

Oh, and about rocket technologies. I'll concur that the general level of Russia and US is almost the same. But the different principles and axiomatic ideas make some things easier for us and some - for you. For example, NASA still lacks good enough liquid fuel rocket engine and is forced to by Russian-made. It does say something.
Apparently it was much easier for us to take and adapt electronics that was always an edge for Western rocket technologies, than for the West to adapt our technological processes.
 Quoting: Tamonten

Good analysis.
How do you stop China stealing all your blueprints and data?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38147069


+1 for Russian strategy, because their missile defense will deployed over territory that it wants to defend, like for instance Russia itself.

The US on the other hand have to deploy their missile defense as close to Russia as possible, which is expensive and difficult to do.
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Re: Russian endgamer: S-500 will be the end game when it's finished (Mikhail Yuriev)
S-500 nickname "Prometheus" - 500-600km range
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70042505


We prefer our names. In Russian it's nicknamed "Samoderzhets" - "Autocrat".


Answering the rest of the discussion - I don't see any meaning in quoting each and every post here - yeah, S-500 will be the anti-missile complex, not the anti-jet one. Which doesn't mean however that it can't be used against aerodynamic targets as well as against ballistic ones. That's for starters.

The number in the codename is a projected range for this type of armaments. So, yeah, about 500km range with at least 2/3 of it in altitude: i.e. it should be able to take down most of spy satellites. And surely all GPS satellites that are passing near.

Considering it's projected characteristics... It's made against American perspective hypersonic warheads. Those warheads are developed to be able to maneuver on hypersonic velocities, so the missiles of S-500 should be able to do better than that to intercept them. I.e. it's not just the "evolution" of S-300 or S-400, it's a completely different level of technology.
But no, S-500 is not alike to American anti-missile shield. Completely different philosophies here. American anti-missiles are made (and here's all meaning of having widespread Aegis system and stationary bases in Europe) to intercept ICBM while it's gaining. That's why Yuriev is pointing out that by changing the direction from which the missile comes you can negate American defences. All Russian countermeasures are centered on intercepting declining missile and its warhead.

Considering war tech propaganda. Yeah, you are somewhat right - and the readiness of Russia to show and demonstrate our weapons are actually a illustration that we don't want any war. If we wanted war, we'd just restored our war potential in secret to take everyone by surprise.

About Turkey - just placing S-400 in Latakia, we are covering half of Turkey, most of Israel and all Cyprus by our radars. Which are, by the way, hidden by our EW systems which exclude precision targeting and most of detection methods. It's quite enough. And I do believe that the base there is protected on the ground.
If Turkey goes full retard and tries to attack however, I'd say that the last thing that will worry them will be the state of affairs in Syria. It's almost exactly 500 km (Iskander-M range) from Crimean southern coast to Ankara...

Oh, and about rocket technologies. I'll concur that the general level of Russia and US is almost the same. But the different principles and axiomatic ideas make some things easier for us and some - for you. For example, NASA still lacks good enough liquid fuel rocket engine and is forced to by Russian-made. It does say something.
Apparently it was much easier for us to take and adapt electronics that was always an edge for Western rocket technologies, than for the West to adapt our technological processes.
 Quoting: Tamonten

Good analysis.
How do you stop China stealing all your blueprints and data?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38147069


Thanks.

We don't really need too. Sure, Chinese will copy everything they will be able too. The key word here is "able".
In mid-90s they've bought enormous number of our fighter jets (I don't remember which one - Su-25 or something) with blueprints and the right to reproduce them - but without the blueprints for engines. In total they've got at least more than a hundred of engines (including spare ones) and were sure that they would be able to reproduce them.
Let's just say that they are still buying Russian-made engines for their brand-new jets of this type.
It not as easy as it would seem to reproduce technology of this level.
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"But we are still alive." - Thread: "The Great Game" by Mikhail Leontyev (2007-2008)

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"Russia is the great Christian country with rich Islamic history" - Vladimir Solovyov (Russian Jew)
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"Europe can wait while the Russian tsar fishes." - Alexander III The Peacemaker

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Re: Russian endgamer: S-500 will be the end game when it's finished (Mikhail Yuriev)
S-500 nickname "Prometheus" - 500-600km range
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70042505


We prefer our names. In Russian it's nicknamed "Samoderzhets" - "Autocrat".


Answering the rest of the discussion - I don't see any meaning in quoting each and every post here - yeah, S-500 will be the anti-missile complex, not the anti-jet one. Which doesn't mean however that it can't be used against aerodynamic targets as well as against ballistic ones. That's for starters.

The number in the codename is a projected range for this type of armaments. So, yeah, about 500km range with at least 2/3 of it in altitude: i.e. it should be able to take down most of spy satellites. And surely all GPS satellites that are passing near.

Considering it's projected characteristics... It's made against American perspective hypersonic warheads. Those warheads are developed to be able to maneuver on hypersonic velocities, so the missiles of S-500 should be able to do better than that to intercept them. I.e. it's not just the "evolution" of S-300 or S-400, it's a completely different level of technology.
But no, S-500 is not alike to American anti-missile shield. Completely different philosophies here. American anti-missiles are made (and here's all meaning of having widespread Aegis system and stationary bases in Europe) to intercept ICBM while it's gaining. That's why Yuriev is pointing out that by changing the direction from which the missile comes you can negate American defences. All Russian countermeasures are centered on intercepting declining missile and its warhead.

Considering war tech propaganda. Yeah, you are somewhat right - and the readiness of Russia to show and demonstrate our weapons are actually a illustration that we don't want any war. If we wanted war, we'd just restored our war potential in secret to take everyone by surprise.

About Turkey - just placing S-400 in Latakia, we are covering half of Turkey, most of Israel and all Cyprus by our radars. Which are, by the way, hidden by our EW systems which exclude precision targeting and most of detection methods. It's quite enough. And I do believe that the base there is protected on the ground.
If Turkey goes full retard and tries to attack however, I'd say that the last thing that will worry them will be the state of affairs in Syria. It's almost exactly 500 km (Iskander-M range) from Crimean southern coast to Ankara...

Oh, and about rocket technologies. I'll concur that the general level of Russia and US is almost the same. But the different principles and axiomatic ideas make some things easier for us and some - for you. For example, NASA still lacks good enough liquid fuel rocket engine and is forced to by Russian-made. It does say something.
Apparently it was much easier for us to take and adapt electronics that was always an edge for Western rocket technologies, than for the West to adapt our technological processes.
 Quoting: Tamonten

Good analysis.
How do you stop China stealing all your blueprints and data?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38147069


+1 for Russian strategy, because their missile defense will deployed over territory that it wants to defend, like for instance Russia itself.

The US on the other hand have to deploy their missile defense as close to Russia as possible, which is expensive and difficult to do.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22836133


Also it mirrors the key philosophy of both thalassocracy and telurocracy.
Telurocracy is always defending, thalassocracy is always attacking.
"When every one is dead the Great Game is finished. Not before." - Rudyard Kipling, "Kim" (1901)
"But we are still alive." - Thread: "The Great Game" by Mikhail Leontyev (2007-2008)

"Life before death, strength before weakness, journey before destination." - Brandon Sanderson, "The Way of Kings"
"Russia is the great Christian country with rich Islamic history" - Vladimir Solovyov (Russian Jew)
Quos Iupiter perdere vult, dementat.
"Europe can wait while the Russian tsar fishes." - Alexander III The Peacemaker

Thread: I'm Russian ask me a question. Be it about Russia or a personal one.
Thread: From Rus' to Russia - grand concert on the Red Square, June 12th 2015 - please help with translation!

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Re: Russian endgamer: S-500 will be the end game when it's finished (Mikhail Yuriev)
The goal of the West, led by the USA, is
the economic destruction of Russia,
followed by disarmament and surrender.

To win the war without firing a shot.

Russia (and China too) has only two choices.
Surrender sovereignty and submit to the
New World Order, or defend themselves
and fight against it.
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Re: Russian endgamer: S-500 will be the end game when it's finished (Mikhail Yuriev)
The goal of the West, led by the USA, is
the economic destruction of Russia,
followed by disarmament and surrender.

To win the war without firing a shot.

Russia (and China too) has only two choices.
Surrender sovereignty and submit to the
New World Order, or defend themselves
and fight against it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 58978803


china will fight and win (again)

standing together with russia would make us indefeatable.

just go back to attacking banarepublics





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