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This is Why ISLAM (As Opposed to the Roman and Persian Empires) Is Destined to Fail

 
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This is Why ISLAM (As Opposed to the Roman and Persian Empires) Is Destined to Fail
At first glance, we might want to compare the expansionist desires of radical Islam with the Roman or Persian Empires. But they're different. Here is why the Roman and Persian Empires succeeded, where the Islamic caliphate is destined to fail...

The Roman Empire (before the official adoption of Christianity) was a geopolitical force. They conquered, but not under the illusion of religious conversion.

Rather, the Romans (and Persians) allowed their conquered subjects to continue to worship their own gods, and to keep their own culture.

Rome merely required tribute and obedience to the secular ruler in Rome. Many in the lands that Rome conquered realized that the advantages of living under the Roman eagle surpassed the disadvantages. After all, they got to keep their religion, AND they benefitted from Roman infrastructure, law, protection, etc.

Radical Islam, however, seeks to conquer in the name of its religion. When a land is conquered by radical Islam, the conquered people's gods, and indeed, culture, are eliminated (for the most part), and Sharia Law is forcibly enacted. No longer is their secular and religious. There's ONLY religious, and it's the religion of Islam, the conquerors.

As the world modernizes, progresses, and becomes more learned, religion (especially absolute religion, practiced by radical sects of Islam) falls by the wayside, as reason, logic, and science, dictate more and more of humanity's motivations.

What people are going to want to accept Sharia Law? It's the law of a thousand years ago. There is no realistic enlightenment. The lines with which to color in between are narrow, and there is NO coloring outside those lines. In other words, mankind's ability to think independently, create, and innovate is severely limited by an oppressive, overbearing, rigid system of law which is couched in the conquering people's "religion".

No nation seeking to evolve is going to want that. The reason why western imperialism has been quantitatively more successful than Islamic imperialism, is because the West allows its subjugated nations to keep their culture. Islam doesn't. That's the difference in a nutshell.

Islam doesn't stand a chance in the future.
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At first glance, we might want to compare the expansionist desires of radical Islam with the Roman or Persian Empires. But they're different. Here is why the Roman and Persian Empires succeeded, where the Islamic caliphate is destined to fail...

The Roman Empire (before the official adoption of Christianity) was a geopolitical force. They conquered, but not under the illusion of religious conversion.

Rather, the Romans (and Persians) allowed their conquered subjects to continue to worship their own gods, and to keep their own culture.

Rome merely required tribute and obedience to the secular ruler in Rome. Many in the lands that Rome conquered realized that the advantages of living under the Roman eagle surpassed the disadvantages. After all, they got to keep their religion, AND they benefitted from Roman infrastructure, law, protection, etc.

Radical Islam, however, seeks to conquer in the name of its religion. When a land is conquered by radical Islam, the conquered people's gods, and indeed, culture, are eliminated (for the most part), and Sharia Law is forcibly enacted. No longer is their secular and religious. There's ONLY religious, and it's the religion of Islam, the conquerors.

As the world modernizes, progresses, and becomes more learned, religion (especially absolute religion, practiced by radical sects of Islam) falls by the wayside, as reason, logic, and science, dictate more and more of humanity's motivations.

What people are going to want to accept Sharia Law? It's the law of a thousand years ago. There is no realistic enlightenment. The lines with which to color in between are narrow, and there is NO coloring outside those lines. In other words, mankind's ability to think independently, create, and innovate is severely limited by an oppressive, overbearing, rigid system of law which is couched in the conquering people's "religion".

No nation seeking to evolve is going to want that. The reason why western imperialism has been quantitatively more successful than Islamic imperialism, is because the West allows its subjugated nations to keep their culture. Islam doesn't. That's the difference in a nutshell.

Islam doesn't stand a chance in the future.
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Correction: I should've said RADICAL Islam doesn't stand a chance in the future.
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Arabs and Blacks have a lower IQ than White people, so that means they will accept any religion that is forced upon them. The lower IQs of these inferior breeds gives Islam a big boost and allows it to continue for a very long time...
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Excellent! Well said. Agree 100%.
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Currently, Islam is typically (though not always) more ripe for converts in places of hopelessness and poverty.

It's similar to communism during the Cold War. The most susceptible nations to fall to communism were those in dire economic straits, whose people (those with jobs) earned pennies a day, and where poverty and hopelessness were rife.

Many of the converts to Islam today in the U.S. are Black Americans in jail.

Typically, religion appeals to the more downtrodden, disempowered, disaffected people in society. And the more downtrodden, disempowered, disaffected, the more appealing a RIGID form of religion is.

It's the same the world over; even in the U.S. The poorest part of the U.S. is the South. Where are most of the Evangelicals and fundamentalists? The South.

Nothing new under the Sun.
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In short, if your life was good, you wouldn't want to "bank" on the next life.

If your life is shit, and you see no hope of bettering it, then you tend to want to "bank" on the "next life".

It all boils down to human nature.
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I've had this discussion many times.

The West vs. Islam.

The bottom line is...

In the West, you have choice and free will.

In Islam, as I stated before, the lines within which you must color are narrow. And if you color outside those lines, you will be punished. That's the curse of Sharia Law.

In the West, if you want to be Muslim, you can be. Likewise, if you want to drink alcohol, worship Satan, wear outrageous clothes, etc., you can do that, too.

Choice. Liberty. Freedom.
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Radical Islam reminds me of the social conservative Evangelicals in America.

They don't think gays should marry. So they want the entire COUNTRY to outlaw gay marriage.

They don't like to burn the American flag. So they want it to be illegal for EVERYone to burn it.

They like the Ten Commandments to be posted in schools. So they think EVERY school should have the Ten Commandments posted.

Instead of trying to rule other people's lives, why don't you concentrate on bettering yourselves? Building the temple with no walls.
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Radical Islam reminds me of the social conservative Evangelicals in America.

They don't think gays should marry. So they want the entire COUNTRY to outlaw gay marriage.

They don't like to burn the American flag. So they want it to be illegal for EVERYone to burn it.

They like the Ten Commandments to be posted in schools. So they think EVERY school should have the Ten Commandments posted.

Instead of trying to rule other people's lives, why don't you concentrate on bettering yourselves? Building the temple with no walls.
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In short, your personal opinions shouldn't translate to universal laws; whether you're an Evangelical American or a radical Muslim.
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Spot on!
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Brilliant! I could not agree more. Thank You!
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The rational will replace the radical.
I suspect sooner than later.
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I don't know what fantasy land they are living in to think that people will accept them if they take over. Even if they destroy our militaries and dissolve our governments; people would resist this forever. Millions would rather die than live under Sharia. They would have to kill every last one of us to implement the system. It is not feasible.
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islam does have a system of tribute that allows others to maintain their faiths. However the real reason it will fail is that up till now they've only faced Arab armies.
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Roman never fell. It just morphed a new head: the NWO.



Empires are always found on their coinage. The declaration of the New World Order is found on the US $1: 'Annuit Coeptis' is Latin for Announcing The Birth Of and 'Novus Ordo Seclorum' or New World Order. Therefore it says: Announcing The birth Of The New World Order. The date in roman numerals is 1776.
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islam does have a system of tribute that allows others to maintain their faiths. However the real reason it will fail is that up till now they've only faced Arab armies.
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Yeah, get taxed for the privilege of thinking independently, and being creative and innovative.
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Roman never fell. It just morphed a new head: the NWO.



Empires are always found on their coinage. The declaration of the New World Order is found on the US $1: 'Annuit Coeptis' is Latin for Announcing The Birth Of and 'Novus Ordo Seclorum' or New World Order. Therefore it says: Announcing The birth Of The New World Order. The date in roman numerals is 1776.
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Rome never fell, true. But it didn't morph into the NWO. It morphed into the Catholic Church.
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Currently, Islam is typically (though not always) more ripe for converts in places of hopelessness and poverty.

It's similar to communism during the Cold War. The most susceptible nations to fall to communism were those in dire economic straits, whose people (those with jobs) earned pennies a day, and where poverty and hopelessness were rife.

Many of the converts to Islam today in the U.S. are Black Americans in jail.

Typically, religion appeals to the more downtrodden, disempowered, disaffected people in society. And the more downtrodden, disempowered, disaffected, the more appealing a RIGID form of religion is.

It's the same the world over; even in the U.S. The poorest part of the U.S. is the South. Where are most of the Evangelicals and fundamentalists? The South.

Nothing new under the Sun.
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In addition; Muslims don't realize it is their religion which oppresses them. This induces more misery and despair. This leads to increased social spending and national suicide.
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Currently, Islam is typically (though not always) more ripe for converts in places of hopelessness and poverty.

It's similar to communism during the Cold War. The most susceptible nations to fall to communism were those in dire economic straits, whose people (those with jobs) earned pennies a day, and where poverty and hopelessness were rife.

Many of the converts to Islam today in the U.S. are Black Americans in jail.

Typically, religion appeals to the more downtrodden, disempowered, disaffected people in society. And the more downtrodden, disempowered, disaffected, the more appealing a RIGID form of religion is.

It's the same the world over; even in the U.S. The poorest part of the U.S. is the South. Where are most of the Evangelicals and fundamentalists? The South.

Nothing new under the Sun.
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In addition; Muslims don't realize it is their religion which oppresses them. This induces more misery and despair. This leads to increased social spending and national suicide.
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Yes.
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Not only Islam, but radical Islam, is actually spreading and rising.
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Not only Islam, but radical Islam, is actually spreading and rising.
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It appears so, yes.
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Not only Islam, but radical Islam, is actually spreading and rising.
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And it appears that western intelligence has sought to harness that burgeoning movement to guide and steer for its own purposes at times.

The danger in that is sometimes the horse gets out of the barn...

Or maybe someone intentionally left the barn door open.





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