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Do you believe in the trinity or do you know that the Lord your God is one as commanded? Jesus is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

 
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Do you believe in the trinity or do you know that the Lord your God is one as commanded? Jesus is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Personally, I do not believe in the Trinity. As for Oneness Pentecostals, I do not believe in them either. I belong to no denomination because most believe in falsehood. However, there is truth in many of them, even though they are different denominations. The trinity states that the Father is not the Son and the Son is not the Spirit. This is false according to the scriptures. Jesus is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. For in him, the fullness of the Godhead dwells. He is the firstborn of all creation. In the beginning, it was the son who made the heavens and the earth. See, God is invisible, abiding in unapproachable light. Jesus, who is God, is a form of God in which we can see and not die. God does not lie. There is a manifestation of God that would destroy those who saw him. The holy spirit is a manifestation of God that is inside his children. See, if God is the only immortal, how can his children be immortal without his spirit? The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all present in the old testament. Whose image were we made in? Let us make man in our image? Who is involved in this word "our?" It is a commandment to know that the Lord your God is one! God is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Jesus is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The Spirit is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. It doesn't make sense for God to be all three but the three not be the same deity. God is one who manifest himself in different forms. Forms that have different duties and characteristics. Remember, Jesus is God in flesh. You can see him and not die. Also, who is Melchizedek? Like unto a Son of God. Having no mom or dad, nor genealogy. Without beginning of day's or end of life. Is there a chance that God has many names? Many manifestations? Ones we can see and ones we cannot. Please read the scripture below. If you can prove me wrong, do so, in an honest manner. Also, what is the name above all names? Remember when Jesus commanded his disciples to baptise in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? Well, have you not read what name they used? 'll let you decide..


John 1:14
King James Version
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John 1:1
King James Version
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.



John 14:20
At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

John 14:9-11
King James Version
 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

Romans 8:9
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Romans 8:10
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Romans 8:11
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

1 Corinthians 6:17
But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

2 Corinthians 3:17
Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

Exodus 34:14
For thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God

1 Corinthians 15:45
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Hebrews 1:8
King James Version
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Revelation 2:8
And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive.

Hebrews 1:5-6
King James Version
 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Colossians 2:9
King James Version
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Isaiah 9:6
King James Version
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Notice the context below, is the Father the spirit?

Luke 12:12
For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what ye ought to say.

Matthew 10:20
For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
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There is no truth in any of them. God is a Great Spirit, and there is not more than one Great Spirit, and there is no man born who is or could be equivalent to the Great Spirit, and there is no man who can die and become a god and absolve you of responsibility for how you live your life.
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One God manifested in 3 persons so simple to get if you have an open heart. Father=God Son=God Holy Spirit=God
I think He's big enough to manifest Himself that way don't you????????????????
Let Him out of your box.
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One God manifested in 3 persons so simple to get if you have an open heart. Father=God Son=God Holy Spirit=God
I think He's big enough to manifest Himself that way don't you????????????????
Let Him out of your box.
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Of course he can manifest himself into three forms. He can even talk through a bush or donkey.
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There is no truth in any of them. God is a Great Spirit, and there is not more than one Great Spirit, and there is no man born who is or could be equivalent to the Great Spirit, and there is no man who can die and become a god and absolve you of responsibility for how you live your life.
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Jesus is God yet the Father is greater than him.
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"The Father, I, as the Son, and the Holy Spirit are, distinguishably, one and the same from eternity. [3] The Father within Me is eternal ove and as such the first cause and the actual primal substance of all things that fill all infinity.
[4] I, as the Son, am the light and wisdom going forth from the fire of eternal love. This mighty light is God's eternal, most perfect self-awareness His clearest self-knowledge and the eternal Woerd in God by whicheverything that exists has been made.
[5]  In order to ake it possible for all this to be made, also God's mighty will is needed,and this is the Holy Spirit within God that gives theworks and beings their full existence. TheHoly Spirit is the great, uttered word 'Let there be!' - and what love and wisdomwithin God have determined, comes into existence.
[6] And behold, all this isnow within me: Love,wisdom and all might! Thus, there is only one God, and that is I, and I have assumed a human body like yours, solely in order to reveal Myself - as is now the case - to you men of this earth whom I have created completely in My image out of the primal substance of My love." (GGJ VI/230)

Is Jesus, Father God, in the flesh? The quote above makes sense. They are one and the same. The Trinity says the Father is not the Son and the Son is not the spirit and the spirit is not the Father.
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Exodus 33:20 ►
But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live."

Isaiah 64:8 ESV
But now, O Lord, you are our Father; we are the clay, and you are our potter; we are all the work of your hand.

Isaiah 63:16 ESV
For you are our Father, though Abraham does not know us, and Israel does not acknowledge us; you, O Lord, are our Father, our Redeemer from of old is your name

Malachi 2:10 ESV
Have we not all one Father? Has not one God created us?

Deuteronomy 32:6 ESV
Do you thus repay the Lord, you foolish and senseless people? Is not he your father, who created you, who made you and established you?

Isaiah 43:11
I, I am the Lord, and besides me there is no savior.
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You're wrong, YHWH is the the Father alone, the holy spirit is the spirit of YHWH, and Jesus is the anointed servant-son of YHWH.
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You're wrong, YHWH is the the Father alone, the holy spirit is the spirit of YHWH, and Jesus is the anointed servant-son of YHWH.
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Prove it.
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Is Jesus, Father God, in the flesh?
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Nope. Clearly not. Who did he call his and our God? Who anointed him? Who sent him? Who did he return to? Why didn't he know the day or hour? How did he grow in wisdom? How did he grow in stature? Who's word did he speak? Who name did he come in? Who's doctrine did he teach? Who's will did he do? Who's judgement did he carry out?

Luke 4:17-21

17 and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:

18 “The Spirit of YHWah is on me,
because he has anointed me
to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
and recovery of sight for the blind,
to set the oppressed free,
19 to proclaim the year of the YHWH’s favor.”[a]
20 Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21 He began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”
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Is Jesus, Father God, in the flesh?
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Obviously not.
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Is Jesus, Father God, in the flesh?
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Obviously not.
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Then how is Jesus, God, if the Father is God?
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You're wrong, YHWH is the the Father alone, the holy spirit is the spirit of YHWH, and Jesus is the anointed servant-son of YHWH.
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Prove it.
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Acts 3:13
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus. You handed him over to be killed, and you disowned him before Pilate, though he had decided to let him go.

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Is Jesus, Father God, in the flesh?
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Obviously not.
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Then how is Jesus, God, if the Father is God?
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Which verse are you thinking of. A lot people are called gods (elohim, el) in the bible. There's only one Most High however.
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Is Jesus, Father God, in the flesh?
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Obviously not.
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Then how is Jesus, God, if the Father is God?
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Only one can be God. And that would not be Jesus, obviously.
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Is Jesus, Father God, in the flesh?
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Obviously not.
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Then how is Jesus, God, if the Father is God?
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Which verse are you thinking of. A lot people are called gods (elohim, el) in the bible. There's only one Most High however.
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Not only did God the Father call Jesus a God, he commanded the angels to worship Jesus. That makes Jesus God because God commanded us to only worship him.
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Is Jesus, Father God, in the flesh?
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Obviously not.
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Then how is Jesus, God, if the Father is God?
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Only one can be God. And that would not be Jesus, obviously.
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God the Father called the Son, a God, in hebrews. Did Thomas call Jesus God?
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Is Jesus, Father God, in the flesh?
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yes
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Trinitarian hypocrisy 101:

Colossians 2:9
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily

This supposedly makes Jesus God. The exact same thing said of his followers however:

Ephesians 3:19

19 to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge; that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.

Ops! Let's sweep that one under the rug!

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You're wrong, YHWH is the the Father alone, the holy spirit is the spirit of YHWH, and Jesus is the anointed servant-son of YHWH.
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Prove it.
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Acts 3:13
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus. You handed him over to be killed, and you disowned him before Pilate, though he had decided to let him go.

Thread: Only the Father is the Most High God #1

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

Thread: The Father alone is God

etc
 Quoting: Monotheism


Hebrews 1:3
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The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.
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Obviously not.
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Then how is Jesus, God, if the Father is God?
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Only one can be God. And that would not be Jesus, obviously.
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God the Father called the Son, a God, in hebrews. Did Thomas call Jesus God?
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No, Thomas did not.

"Thomas' words to Jesus in Greek literally read, "the Lord of me and the God of me." In Greek this is how one would refer to two persons. If one wanted to refer to one person he would say, "the Lord and God of me." This is confirmed by the first and Sixth Granville Sharp rules. However, Trinitarians make a convenient exception to the sixth rule for this particular verse."

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And the Hebrew word most often translated as god is elohim (or el) from the root meaning authority, might, power. Humans are called that too in the bible, as are angels.

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John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.”
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Trinitarian hypocrisy 101:

Colossians 2:9
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily

This supposedly makes Jesus God. The exact same thing said of his followers however:

Ephesians 3:19

19 to know the love of Christ which passes knowledge; that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.

Ops! Let's sweep that one under the rug!

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 Quoting: Monotheism:MV8zMDA4NDU4XzUzMzQyNjEwXzETI1


You do know that his true followers have the Father, Son and Holy Spirit inside of them?

Hebrews 1:5-10King James Version (KJV)

5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
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You're wrong, YHWH is the the Father alone, the holy spirit is the spirit of YHWH, and Jesus is the anointed servant-son of YHWH.
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Prove it.
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Acts 3:13
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus. You handed him over to be killed, and you disowned him before Pilate, though he had decided to let him go.

Thread: Only the Father is the Most High God #1

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

Thread: The Father alone is God

etc
 Quoting: Monotheism


Hebrews 1:3
New International Version
The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.
 Quoting: Toonz


The image is not the original, and God didn't sit down at his own right hand. Obviously. Hebrews is a messy chapter, even messier from a trinitarian mindset.

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Then how is Jesus, God, if the Father is God?
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Only one can be God. And that would not be Jesus, obviously.
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God the Father called the Son, a God, in hebrews. Did Thomas call Jesus God?
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No, Thomas did not.

"Thomas' words to Jesus in Greek literally read, "the Lord of me and the God of me." In Greek this is how one would refer to two persons. If one wanted to refer to one person he would say, "the Lord and God of me." This is confirmed by the first and Sixth Granville Sharp rules. However, Trinitarians make a convenient exception to the sixth rule for this particular verse."

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And the Hebrew word most often translated as god is elohim (or el) from the root meaning authority, might, power. Humans are called that too in the bible, as are angels.

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Did they or did they not worship Jesus? You are trying to cause strife and quarrels. God forbid that the obedient entertain you in such matters. Anti-christ deny God in the flesh.
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John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.”
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Thank you for this verse. The scriptures state that both the spirits of Father and Son dwell inside of the believers. Yet there is one spirit. However, how can I be in him?

John 17:21
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that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.
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Is Jesus, Father God, in the flesh?
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Obviously not.
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Prove it.
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John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.”
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In purpose. After praying that his followers also become one ass they are one and one with them. John 17:11,21-22 , 11:52

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Is Jesus, Father God, in the flesh?
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Obviously not.
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Prove it.
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Already have.
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Is Jesus, Father God, in the flesh?
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Nope. Clearly not. Who did he call his and our God? Who anointed him? Who sent him? Who did he return to? Why didn't he know the day or hour? How did he grow in wisdom? How did he grow in stature? Who's word did he speak? Who name did he come in? Who's doctrine did he teach? Who's will did he do? Who's judgement did he carry out?

Luke 4:17-21

17 and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:

18 “The Spirit of YHWah is on me,
because he has anointed me
to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
and recovery of sight for the blind,
to set the oppressed free,
19 to proclaim the year of the YHWH’s favor.”[a]
20 Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21 He began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”
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I'll ask you the same question. Is Jesus worshiped or not? God the Father commanded that only he be worshiped. One reason some Jews have such a difficult time with Jesus.





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