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If Christianity is so good...
Then how come Christians don't want a 100% theocratic Christian government and society?

Something like Iran or Saudi Arabia but Christian instead of Muslim?
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Re: If Christianity is so good...
Democracy is an illusion.
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Some of us do.
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How would you have it smartass? You dumbasses sure hate on everything but theres not much input to better things. Just derps derping
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Re: If Christianity is so good...
There will be one soon, the entire world will be run by the righteous. Can you imagine?
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Re: If Christianity is so good...
Well the all of the west is built upon what youre saying..

Whats so bad about it? The atheists and liberals right now in power are giving our heritage away. It is gone.

How about a little less stupidity from you and instead some input
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Re: If Christianity is so good...
You can't beat Buddhism!

And Krishna danced with all the girls...at the same time!
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I CANT BELIEVE YOU LIVE IN CANADA AND PROBABLY VOTE.
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Re: If Christianity is so good...
Christianity was never good to begin with
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Re: If Christianity is so good...
Then how come Christians don't want a 100% theocratic Christian government and society?

Something like Iran or Saudi Arabia but Christian instead of Muslim?
 Quoting: 08/15


Because Christianity makes the point that individual free-will decisions are the only ones that matter.
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Re: If Christianity is so good...
Then how come Christians don't want a 100% theocratic Christian government and society?

Something like Iran or Saudi Arabia but Christian instead of Muslim?
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Because Christianity makes the point that individual free-will decisions are the only ones that matter.
 Quoting: WeaponX2


And a Christian theocracy would negate free will?
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Re: If Christianity is so good...
Then how come Christians don't want a 100% theocratic Christian government and society?

Something like Iran or Saudi Arabia but Christian instead of Muslim?
 Quoting: 08/15


Because Christianity makes the point that individual free-will decisions are the only ones that matter.
 Quoting: WeaponX2


And a Christian theocracy would negate free will?
 Quoting: 08/15


whats with the strawman? Canada will never be muslim.

If you want sharia, go home to Saudi Arabia.

I think you're scared to live by the law
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Re: If Christianity is so good...
Then how come Christians don't want a 100% theocratic Christian government and society?

Something like Iran or Saudi Arabia but Christian instead of Muslim?
 Quoting: 08/15


Because Christianity makes the point that individual free-will decisions are the only ones that matter.
 Quoting: WeaponX2


And a Christian theocracy would negate free will?
 Quoting: 08/15


whats with the strawman? Canada will never be muslim.

If you want sharia, go home to Saudi Arabia.

I think you're scared to live by the law
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Learn to read please.
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Re: If Christianity is so good...
Then how come Christians don't want a 100% theocratic Christian government and society?

Something like Iran or Saudi Arabia but Christian instead of Muslim?
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Sigh. Dude if you feel the need to bash Christianity just create a post that says i hate Christians,Give me attention.

We don't want a theocracy because people are flawed. It is very easy for a corrupt person to monopolize every aspect of power over someone when they hold their faith in their hand. Look at the sheep that follow Obama. Now imagine if he was also our spiritual leader. Exactly. Separation of church and state isn't hard to fathom if you recall any middle school history. The colonies broke off of England due to taxation without representation but also the church of England was persecuting the protestant movement and had a heavy hand in the government. We wanted to make sure that didn't happen again so we didn't wind up as a Saudi or Iran in the future. Pretty smart huh? I bet Iranians wish their forefathers were half as clever.

Once again, nothing to do with god or faith. Everything to do with knowing humans are imperfect and easily corrupted. Knowing the finite power that a person could wield if corrupt and head if a theocracy.
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Re: If Christianity is so good...
There will be one soon, the entire world will be run by the righteous. Can you imagine?
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No, I can't. There is none righteous, no not one.
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Re: If Christianity is so good...
Then how come Christians don't want a 100% theocratic Christian government and society?

Something like Iran or Saudi Arabia but Christian instead of Muslim?
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Jesus is not on the ballot, just imperfect people, many of which, hate you and Jesus.
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There will be one soon, the entire world will be run by the righteous. Can you imagine?
 Quoting: Beneneth


No, I can't. There is none righteous, no not one.
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Thats bs. Just because half of the population is jelly doesnt mean there are righteous people. Just not among societies, they fled and they live hermetic lifestyles.
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Re: If Christianity is so good...
Then how come Christians don't want a 100% theocratic Christian government and society?

Something like Iran or Saudi Arabia but Christian instead of Muslim?
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Because man is corrupt and until Yeshua comes back to take control of His world government then it will fail.
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Re: If Christianity is so good...
There will be one soon, the entire world will be run by the righteous. Can you imagine?
 Quoting: Beneneth


No, I can't. There is none righteous, no not one.
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Deception.

Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 1 John 3:7
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Re: If Christianity is so good...
Then how come Christians don't want a 100% theocratic Christian government and society?

Something like Iran or Saudi Arabia but Christian instead of Muslim?
 Quoting: 08/15


Simple answer, because we aren't called to violence and that would be the only way to pursue that type of government. Also we have been given free will. What good is it to force people to abide by a law when they are still bound by the law.
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Re: If Christianity is so good...
There will be one soon, the entire world will be run by the righteous. Can you imagine?
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No, I can't. There is none righteous, no not one.
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Lol it's not deception you misinterpreted his/her post. This person was talking about the new heaven and earth which will be run by the righteous. Yes while on earth none are righteous but when the old earth and heaven pass away no sin will abound and all will be made righteous through Jesus Christ.

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Because Christianity makes the point that individual free-will decisions are the only ones that matter.
 Quoting: WeaponX2


And a Christian theocracy would negate free will?
 Quoting: 08/15


whats with the strawman? Canada will never be muslim.

If you want sharia, go home to Saudi Arabia.

I think you're scared to live by the law
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69451913


Learn to read please.
 Quoting: 08/15


You're trying to equalize islam with other religions.

But we know where those talking points come from
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Re: If Christianity is so good...
There will be one soon, the entire world will be run by the righteous. Can you imagine?
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No, I can't. There is none righteous, no not one.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70911317


Lol it's not deception you misinterpreted his/her post. This person was talking about the new heaven and earth which will be run by the righteous. Yes while on earth none are righteous but when the old earth and heaven pass away no sin will abound and all will be made righteous through Jesus Christ.
 Quoting: Dwillss


Nope. 1 John 3:7 specifically defines that teaching as deception. Paul was quiting scripture, the context of whixh is lost on most Christians since a) they don't bother with context b) they're to busy cherry-picking scripture affirm their own doctrine.

Luke 1:5-6

5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.

6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of YHWH blameless.
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Re: If Christianity is so good...
There will be one soon, the entire world will be run by the righteous. Can you imagine?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70634714


No, I can't. There is none righteous, no not one.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70911317


Lol it's not deception you misinterpreted his/her post. This person was talking about the new heaven and earth which will be run by the righteous. Yes while on earth none are righteous but when the old earth and heaven pass away no sin will abound and all will be made righteous through Jesus Christ.
 Quoting: Dwillss


Yes sorry I mean when he returns, new glorified bodies at day of the Lord hopefully, might be in new Jerusalem however after the millennium, still can you imagine a world where the people in power are not greedy, are fair, are caring......this world is nothing like that, but one day :)
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There will be one soon, the entire world will be run by the righteous. Can you imagine?
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No, I can't. There is none righteous, no not one.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70911317


Lol it's not deception you misinterpreted his/her post. This person was talking about the new heaven and earth which will be run by the righteous. Yes while on earth none are righteous but when the old earth and heaven pass away no sin will abound and all will be made righteous through Jesus Christ.
 Quoting: Dwillss


Nope. 1 John 3:7 specifically defines that teaching as deception. Paul was quiting scripture, the context of whixh is lost on most Christians since a) they don't bother with context b) they're to busy cherry-picking scripture affirm their own doctrine.

Luke 1:5-6

5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.

6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of YHWH blameless.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70911317



This is the Old Testament when people were still bound by the law, you my friend are taking it out of context. Christ came to show that none are righteous and all are in need of a saviour for we all fail to serve God almighty how we ought to. Why do you think the Pharisees crucified Christ? Because the Pharisees saw themselves as righteous and Jesus claimed none are righteous so that we may humble ourselves before God.
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There will be one soon, the entire world will be run by the righteous. Can you imagine?
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No, I can't. There is none righteous, no not one.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70911317


Lol it's not deception you misinterpreted his/her post. This person was talking about the new heaven and earth which will be run by the righteous. Yes while on earth none are righteous but when the old earth and heaven pass away no sin will abound and all will be made righteous through Jesus Christ.
 Quoting: Dwillss


Yes sorry I mean when he returns, new glorified bodies at day of the Lord hopefully, might be in new Jerusalem however after the millennium, still can you imagine a world where the people in power are not greedy, are fair, are caring......this world is nothing like that, but one day :)
 Quoting: Beneneth


Trust me brother/sister I long for this day when we are freed from our deceptive corrupt hearts once and for all and live in the presence of Pure Holiness. It will be beyond what words can describe. Some look at heaven with hope of earthly desires I look at heaven with the Joy of no sin being present in the presence of the Holy God glorifying him for his mercy upon my wretched soul.
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No, I can't. There is none righteous, no not one.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70911317


Lol it's not deception you misinterpreted his/her post. This person was talking about the new heaven and earth which will be run by the righteous. Yes while on earth none are righteous but when the old earth and heaven pass away no sin will abound and all will be made righteous through Jesus Christ.
 Quoting: Dwillss


Nope. 1 John 3:7 specifically defines that teaching as deception. Paul was quiting scripture, the context of whixh is lost on most Christians since a) they don't bother with context b) they're to busy cherry-picking scripture affirm their own doctrine.

Luke 1:5-6

5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.

6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of YHWH blameless.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70911317



This is the Old Testament when people were still bound by the law, you my friend are taking it out of context. Christ came to show that none are righteous and all are in need of a saviour for we all fail to serve God almighty how we ought to. Why do you think the Pharisees crucified Christ? Because the Pharisees saw themselves as righteous and Jesus claimed none are righteous so that we may humble ourselves before God.
 Quoting: Dwillss


Luke is not the OT, and the Pharisees sought to kill him because he was a threat to their political power. And Jesus showed how to be righeous, by obeying God.

Matthew 5:20
For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
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Lol it's not deception you misinterpreted his/her post. This person was talking about the new heaven and earth which will be run by the righteous. Yes while on earth none are righteous but when the old earth and heaven pass away no sin will abound and all will be made righteous through Jesus Christ.
 Quoting: Dwillss


Nope. 1 John 3:7 specifically defines that teaching as deception. Paul was quiting scripture, the context of whixh is lost on most Christians since a) they don't bother with context b) they're to busy cherry-picking scripture affirm their own doctrine.

Luke 1:5-6

5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.

6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of YHWH blameless.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70911317



This is the Old Testament when people were still bound by the law, you my friend are taking it out of context. Christ came to show that none are righteous and all are in need of a saviour for we all fail to serve God almighty how we ought to. Why do you think the Pharisees crucified Christ? Because the Pharisees saw themselves as righteous and Jesus claimed none are righteous so that we may humble ourselves before God.
 Quoting: Dwillss


Luke is not the OT, and the Pharisees sought to kill him because he was a threat to their political power. And Jesus showed how to be righeous, by obeying God.

Matthew 5:20
For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70911317


Luke is the new but the scripture Luke was quoting was the Old, cmon man. If you weren't so focused on proving yourself right rather then truth seeking you would've seen this.

As for Matthew, Christ still had not been crucified. The only righteousness we produce comes from the Holy Spirit, not us.

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Re: If Christianity is so good...
Then how come Christians don't want a 100% theocratic Christian government and society?

Something like Iran or Saudi Arabia but Christian instead of Muslim?
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I live in a country where the head of state is the head of the official state religion, divinely appointed "by the grace of God" and the state religion is the biggest education provider, sets our national holidays and whose bishops automatically get a place in the senior political house.

It's not Iran, it's England ( Scotland has its own church ) and it works out fine for me :)
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Nope. 1 John 3:7 specifically defines that teaching as deception. Paul was quiting scripture, the context of whixh is lost on most Christians since a) they don't bother with context b) they're to busy cherry-picking scripture affirm their own doctrine.

Luke 1:5-6

5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.

6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of YHWH blameless.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70911317



This is the Old Testament when people were still bound by the law, you my friend are taking it out of context. Christ came to show that none are righteous and all are in need of a saviour for we all fail to serve God almighty how we ought to. Why do you think the Pharisees crucified Christ? Because the Pharisees saw themselves as righteous and Jesus claimed none are righteous so that we may humble ourselves before God.
 Quoting: Dwillss


Luke is not the OT, and the Pharisees sought to kill him because he was a threat to their political power. And Jesus showed how to be righeous, by obeying God.

Matthew 5:20
For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70911317


Luke is the new but the scripture Luke was quoting was the Old, cmon man. If you weren't so focused on proving yourself right rather then truth seeking you would've seen this.

As for Matthew, Christ still had not been crucified. The only righteousness we produce comes from the Holy Spirit, not us.
 Quoting: Dwillss


No, Luke was not quoting the OT, he's talking about the parents of John the baptist. They were righeous. Period.
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Re: If Christianity is so good...
Then how come Christians don't want a 100% theocratic Christian government and society?

Something like Iran or Saudi Arabia but Christian instead of Muslim?
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The experience of history. It didn't work out so well when the Catholic Church ruled Europe. Many people were tortured, burned at the stake, or outright genocided.
And again when Cromwell the Protestant-Puritan gained control of England, the Catholics had to fear for their lives.
When the Puritans were in control of Massachusetts colony, Quakers and others who didn't follow all the mandated religious beliefs were persecuted under the religious laws that were in effect.
History has taught Christians that it's better to have a secular government that endorses no religion combined with constitutionally guaranteed freedom to practice whatever religion you want, as long as your religious practice is not violating other secular laws such as laws against murder, stoning, torture, child abuse, cruel and unusual punishments, kidnapping, slavery, etc.





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