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Dwillss User ID: 68889669 Canada 11/27/2015 02:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Last Edited by Dwillss on 11/27/2015 02:49 PM " I'd rather be hated for who I am then loved for who I am not" |
Dwillss User ID: 68889669 Canada 11/27/2015 02:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Dwillss This is the Old Testament when people were still bound by the law, you my friend are taking it out of context. Christ came to show that none are righteous and all are in need of a saviour for we all fail to serve God almighty how we ought to. Why do you think the Pharisees crucified Christ? Because the Pharisees saw themselves as righteous and Jesus claimed none are righteous so that we may humble ourselves before God. Luke is not the OT, and the Pharisees sought to kill him because he was a threat to their political power. And Jesus showed how to be righeous, by obeying God. Matthew 5:20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. Luke is the new but the scripture Luke was quoting was the Old, cmon man. If you weren't so focused on proving yourself right rather then truth seeking you would've seen this. As for Matthew, Christ still had not been crucified. The only righteousness we produce comes from the Holy Spirit, not us. No, Luke was not quoting the OT, he's talking about the parents of John the baptist. They were righeous. Period. Ok I was thinking of someone else, my apologies but friend the only righteous one is Jesus. I guess I'm not finding the proper words to articulate what I'm trying to share. What I'm saying is yes we can be righteous but again this was before the death of Christ. Christ had to die because we aren't Righteous. We all need a saviour including John the baptists parents (btw I long for the day I can meet John and the Apostel Paul and King David lol) We are called to righteousness but Christ came so we are no longer bound by the law. I guess I'm more so focusing on the gospel because that's where most of my energy is going is trying to correct people's false doctrine of the gospel that we earn salvation through righteousness which is false. We are made righteous through Jesus but our salvation is a gift of God not of works lest anyone should boast (Ephesians 2:8-9) In other words we are both right we just aren't discussing the same thing and that's on me for not properly realizing what you were sharing. " I'd rather be hated for who I am then loved for who I am not" |
Sungaze_At_Dawn User ID: 70246439 Canada 11/27/2015 02:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You do realize their are 7 billion people on earth. Each one has a mind of their own,legally, for its against international law to own a slave. And if you think you can force someone to think and believe as you do, in other words, make a puppet out of them, then that is a crime against humanity and in the cosmos, all souls. Freedom is the first principal of life for all souls. Laws must be kept free of the "beliefs" of any one person, and protect even minorities from having the "beliefs" "ism" shoved on them of any other ideology. It is evil beyond belief to dominate another person, to use words, shame, or brute force, to force them to do what you think they should. There is a natural law, that is about not raping, assaulting, stealing, extorting, abusing, or murdering others. That is the real laws, and all else are slavery and corruption. And I went to Church for many years! There isn't a single person on earth that I would ever "STAND UNDER" the beliefs of. The Devil tries to convince everyone he doesn't exist. The state tries to convince everyone they cannot resist. Do not go quietly into the good night. Rage Rage against the dying light! |
Dwillss User ID: 68889669 Canada 11/27/2015 03:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You do realize their are 7 billion people on earth. Quoting: Sungaze_At_Dawn Each one has a mind of their own,legally, for its against international law to own a slave. And if you think you can force someone to think and believe as you do, in other words, make a puppet out of them, then that is a crime against humanity and in the cosmos, all souls. Freedom is the first principal of life for all souls. Laws must be kept free of the "beliefs" of any one person, and protect even minorities from having the "beliefs" "ism" shoved on them of any other ideology. It is evil beyond belief to dominate another person, to use words, shame, or brute force, to force them to do what you think they should. There is a natural law, that is about not raping, assaulting, stealing, extorting, abusing, or murdering others. That is the real laws, and all else are slavery and corruption. And I went to Church for many years! There isn't a single person on earth that I would ever "STAND UNDER" the beliefs of. As a Christian I agree, look at the Roman Catholic Church, pure filth and they murdered millions enforcing their ways. God can't be glorified if his ways are forced. Islam believes a very disgusting deception but genuine Christian could never enforced Gods ways. That's why when it comes to gay marriage I have no issue of they get legally married by a court but my issue is when they push to be married by a pastor so it goes both ways. The church and state must be seperate. " I'd rather be hated for who I am then loved for who I am not" |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70911317 Sweden 11/27/2015 03:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70911317 Luke is not the OT, and the Pharisees sought to kill him because he was a threat to their political power. And Jesus showed how to be righeous, by obeying God. Matthew 5:20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. Luke is the new but the scripture Luke was quoting was the Old, cmon man. If you weren't so focused on proving yourself right rather then truth seeking you would've seen this. As for Matthew, Christ still had not been crucified. The only righteousness we produce comes from the Holy Spirit, not us. No, Luke was not quoting the OT, he's talking about the parents of John the baptist. They were righeous. Period. Ok I was thinking of someone else, my apologies but friend the only righteous one is Jesus. I guess I'm not finding the proper words to articulate what I'm trying to share. What I'm saying is yes we can be righteous but again this was before the death of Christ. Christ had to die because we aren't Righteous. We all need a saviour including John the baptists parents (btw I long for the day I can meet John and the Apostel Paul and King David lol) We are called to righteousness but Christ came so we are no longer bound by the law. I guess I'm more so focusing on the gospel because that's where most of my energy is going is trying to correct people's false doctrine of the gospel that we earn salvation through righteousness which is false. We are made righteous through Jesus but our salvation is a gift of God not of works lest anyone should boast (Ephesians 2:8-9) In other words we are both right we just aren't discussing the same thing and that's on me for not properly realizing what you were sharing. The Bible says they were righteous, and they fulfilled the requirements of righteousness. He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. Rev. 22:11 |
Dwillss User ID: 68889669 Canada 11/27/2015 03:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Dwillss Luke is the new but the scripture Luke was quoting was the Old, cmon man. If you weren't so focused on proving yourself right rather then truth seeking you would've seen this. As for Matthew, Christ still had not been crucified. The only righteousness we produce comes from the Holy Spirit, not us. No, Luke was not quoting the OT, he's talking about the parents of John the baptist. They were righeous. Period. Ok I was thinking of someone else, my apologies but friend the only righteous one is Jesus. I guess I'm not finding the proper words to articulate what I'm trying to share. What I'm saying is yes we can be righteous but again this was before the death of Christ. Christ had to die because we aren't Righteous. We all need a saviour including John the baptists parents (btw I long for the day I can meet John and the Apostel Paul and King David lol) We are called to righteousness but Christ came so we are no longer bound by the law. I guess I'm more so focusing on the gospel because that's where most of my energy is going is trying to correct people's false doctrine of the gospel that we earn salvation through righteousness which is false. We are made righteous through Jesus but our salvation is a gift of God not of works lest anyone should boast (Ephesians 2:8-9) In other words we are both right we just aren't discussing the same thing and that's on me for not properly realizing what you were sharing. The Bible says they were righteous, and they fulfilled the requirements of righteousness. He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. Rev. 22:11 Like I said I'm more so addressing that it is impossible to be righteous unless one is saved by God through Christ. That's my main point. The Jews who uphold the law in every way can still go to hell for what is righteousness if it comes from an unsaved soul. " I'd rather be hated for who I am then loved for who I am not" |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 70862589 United States 11/27/2015 03:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Then it will fail to be righteous. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70028290 United States 11/27/2015 04:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There will be one soon, the entire world will be run by the righteous. Can you imagine? Quoting: Beneneth Yes it is sadly coming. But it wont be a "Chrisitan" one, nor will it be an "Islamic" one. So... which Abrahamic faith did I specifically not mention here??? But you and most everyone WILL believe it is "righteous" and accept it fully if you believe in ANY Abrahmaic faith. If you are of such faith, you are already part of that minipulation as "they" CREATED your bible, haven stolen every story from Sumerian, Egyptian, and other much earlier beliefs. The minipulation will be of the most uptmost level of near total perfection. And being of any Abrahamic faith puts you SOLIDLY in a state accepting of the minipulation. |
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Dwillss User ID: 68889669 Canada 11/27/2015 04:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There will be one soon, the entire world will be run by the righteous. Can you imagine? Quoting: Beneneth Yes it is sadly coming. But it wont be a "Chrisitan" one, nor will it be an "Islamic" one. So... which Abrahamic faith did I specifically not mention here??? But you and most everyone WILL believe it is "righteous" and accept it fully if you believe in ANY Abrahmaic faith. If you are of such faith, you are already part of that minipulation as "they" CREATED your bible, haven stolen every story from Sumerian, Egyptian, and other much earlier beliefs. The minipulation will be of the most uptmost level of near total perfection. And being of any Abrahamic faith puts you SOLIDLY in a state accepting of the minipulation. Amen! Ephesians 2:8-9 for by grace you are saved through faith, it is a gift of God not of works, lest anyone should boast. Righteousness is a byproduct of salvation and a changed heart. It is not how to earn salvation for this deception glorifies man rather then God. " I'd rather be hated for who I am then loved for who I am not" |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 109229 United States 11/27/2015 04:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Then how come Christians don't want a 100% theocratic Christian government and society? Quoting: 08/15 Something like Iran or Saudi Arabia but Christian instead of Muslim? Well, I think that would be great! And it will happen when Jesus returns, but not till that time because satan runs this world right now. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1038231 United States 11/27/2015 04:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Then how come Christians don't want a 100% theocratic Christian government and society? Quoting: 08/15 Something like Iran or Saudi Arabia but Christian instead of Muslim? Well, I think that would be great! And it will happen when Jesus returns, but not till that time because satan runs this world right now. No it won't. Jesus is not real and there is no Satan. You're wasting much of your emotional energy and time on a myth as did I for 25 plus years of my life. It's all a lie. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 109229 United States 11/27/2015 05:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Then how come Christians don't want a 100% theocratic Christian government and society? Quoting: 08/15 Something like Iran or Saudi Arabia but Christian instead of Muslim? Well, I think that would be great! And it will happen when Jesus returns, but not till that time because satan runs this world right now. No it won't. Jesus is not real and there is no Satan. You're wasting much of your emotional energy and time on a myth as did I for 25 plus years of my life. It's all a lie. Just because you fell doesn't mean I will......in fact, I'd like to encourage you to come back while there is still time! |