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Father Of Apollo Missions: Werner Von Braun's Quote From "Conquest Of The Moon"

 
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Father Of Apollo Missions: Werner Von Braun's Quote From "Conquest Of The Moon"
“It is commonly believed that man will fly directly from the earth to the moon, but to do this, we would require a vehicle of such gigantic proportions that it would prove an economic impossibility. It would have to develop sufficient speed to penetrate the atmosphere and overcome the earth’s gravity and, having traveled all the way to the moon, it must still have enough fuel to land safely and make the return trip to earth. Furthermore, in order to give the expedition a margin of safety, we would not use one ship alone, but a minimum of three … each rocket ship would be taller than New York’s Empire State Building [almost ¼ mile high] and weigh about ten times the tonnage of the Queen Mary, or some 800,000 tons.”
Wernher von Braun, the father of the Apollo space program, writing in Conquest of the Moon
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He was talking about the direct ascent method which would use a single rocket all the way there, land, take off again, and all the way back. That was why they used the lunar orbit rendezvous method instead.
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I always wondered how they would have the "breathing-air," resources, liquid oxygen is not the answer, because they would still need a huge ship to carry the resources needed for breathable air to sustain life for that long of a period and on such a small craft if would have been impossible.
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Re: Father Of Apollo Missions: Werner Von Braun's Quote From "Conquest Of The Moon"
Impossible how? Have you actually looked into it? Because the figures work. They used compressed liquid oxygen to save on space. They used carbon dioxide scrubbers so they could reuse the oxygen longer, the same as they did on multiple spacecraft before and since and on the ISS today.

If you have the numbers to show otherwise then please present them.
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It might take some time to respond to that, but you may want to contact one of these astronauts to find the answer a little faster than I can give it to you:

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I always wondered how they would have the "breathing-air," resources, liquid oxygen is not the answer, because they would still need a huge ship to carry the resources needed for breathable air to sustain life for that long of a period and on such a small craft if would have been impossible.
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Each person need around 0.84 kg of oxygen per day. Apollo 11 was 3 people x 8 days so they needed to take around 20 kg of oxygen for breathing. The launch mass of Apollo 11 was around 3 million kg.

 
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You mean to tell me they traveled over 500,000 miles in only eight-days? Approximately 250,000 miles each way....
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You mean to tell me they traveled over 500,000 miles in only eight-days? Approximately 250,000 miles each way....
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Do you mean to tell me you can't read...

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It might take some time to respond to that, but you may want to contact one of these astronauts to find the answer a little faster than I can give it to you:

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People who look similar but not the same? Why would I waste my time? The video points out the few similarities but with each person there are differences with eye, nose and ear shape just to start.
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You mean to tell me they traveled over 500,000 miles in only eight-days? Approximately 250,000 miles each way....
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yes. Any reason why not? Their speed exiting Earth orbit was nearly 25,000 miles per hour. They started to slow down right away but the math still works. The Apollo mission profile is a common problem for anyone studying orbital mechanics. It works.
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Re: Father Of Apollo Missions: Werner Von Braun's Quote From "Conquest Of The Moon"
It doesn't matter if one can read or not, if you chose to believe what you have been fed, that's fine with me.
Wehrner von Braun was not only talking extra space for breathing air, he also mention fuel. If you want to believe that this was accomplished with one tank of fuel, some liquid oxygen, just keep on believing: it's called "cognitive dissonance," a well known medical/psychological term, as opposed to "critical thinking."
It doesn't matter if someone can read, or write, it obviously effects the literate, too.
The same people that want to believe that Niburu is on the way, with the Annunaki, to save planet earth from the NWO, can not grasp the fraud perpetrated on them, for the reason to appear to have dominated the "space race," during the cold war.
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Re: Father Of Apollo Missions: Werner Von Braun's Quote From "Conquest Of The Moon"
It doesn't matter if one can read or not, if you chose to believe what you have been fed, that's fine with me.
Wehrner von Braun was not only talking extra space for breathing air, he also mention fuel. If you want to believe that this was accomplished with one tank of fuel, some liquid oxygen, just keep on believing: it's called "cognitive dissonance," a well known medical/psychological term, as opposed to "critical thinking."
It doesn't matter if someone can read, or write, it obviously effects the literate, too.
The same people that want to believe that Niburu is on the way, with the Annunaki, to save planet earth from the NWO, can not grasp the fraud perpetrated on them, for the reason to appear to have dominated the "space race," during the cold war.
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Thanks for proving you didn't read the post on lunar orbit rendezvous. Von Braun was talking about the direct ascent method. It was specifically not chosen because of the size of rocket needed.
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Re: Father Of Apollo Missions: Werner Von Braun's Quote From "Conquest Of The Moon"
It doesn't matter if one can read or not, if you chose to believe what you have been fed, that's fine with me.
Wehrner von Braun was not only talking extra space for breathing air, he also mention fuel. If you want to believe that this was accomplished with one tank of fuel, some liquid oxygen, just keep on believing: it's called "cognitive dissonance," a well known medical/psychological term, as opposed to "critical thinking."
It doesn't matter if someone can read, or write, it obviously effects the literate, too.
The same people that want to believe that Niburu is on the way, with the Annunaki, to save planet earth from the NWO, can not grasp the fraud perpetrated on them, for the reason to appear to have dominated the "space race," during the cold war.
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Thanks for proving you didn't read the post on lunar orbit rendezvous. Von Braun was talking about the direct ascent method. It was specifically not chosen because of the size of rocket needed.
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Actually, I did read it, you have a habit of jumping to conclusions, don't you. I just don't believe it. You can come up with all the math you want. Next you'll be telling me that the earth is flat, because "spherical trigonometry," that the flaties use proves that earth is flat because ship captains have reported seeing other ships, or spires, well off into the distance, which proves that earth is flat.
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Re: Father Of Apollo Missions: Werner Von Braun's Quote From "Conquest Of The Moon"
It doesn't matter if one can read or not, if you chose to believe what you have been fed, that's fine with me.
Wehrner von Braun was not only talking extra space for breathing air, he also mention fuel. If you want to believe that this was accomplished with one tank of fuel, some liquid oxygen, just keep on believing: it's called "cognitive dissonance," a well known medical/psychological term, as opposed to "critical thinking."
It doesn't matter if someone can read, or write, it obviously effects the literate, too.
The same people that want to believe that Niburu is on the way, with the Annunaki, to save planet earth from the NWO, can not grasp the fraud perpetrated on them, for the reason to appear to have dominated the "space race," during the cold war.
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Thanks for proving you didn't read the post on lunar orbit rendezvous. Von Braun was talking about the direct ascent method. It was specifically not chosen because of the size of rocket needed.
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Actually, I did read it, you have a habit of jumping to conclusions, don't you. I just don't believe it. You can come up with all the math you want. Next you'll be telling me that the earth is flat, because "spherical trigonometry," that the flaties use proves that earth is flat because ship captains have reported seeing other ships, or spires, well off into the distance, which proves that earth is flat.
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Very intriguing, OP. You're familiar with the term "cognitive dissonance", you use the term "critical thinking" yet you denigrate mathematics as a basis for evaluating the truth of your thesis, and proclaim that you simply refuse to believe something without citing any evidence other than your feelings. Meanwhile, you scoff at flat earthers whose world views and reasoning method seems to be just like yours.

It would certainly be true that if scientist's approach to discovery were like yours, we would not have managed to visit the moon, to launch satellites, or even invent the wheel. As it is, science generally works quite well as a means for discovery, and the technology that you're using to post your thoughts on this matter amply demonstrates that.
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Re: Father Of Apollo Missions: Werner Von Braun's Quote From "Conquest Of The Moon"
Conquest was written in 1953.
To put it another way it was 8 years after the US got its hands on a V2 rocket.
8 years after we developed fission wareheads,and the same year we developed fusion weapons.
The early rockets and fuels,and metallurgy,and life support systems are heavy,clunky and not as efficient.

As one poster said, it details the direct method.
But all of the computers required on board would be replaced with one Ipad today.
That alone would save tons of weight.
Carbon scrubbers, takes CO2 and converts it back to O2.
Food stuffs,battery tech...the list is endless.

But you are not interested in facts are you.
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Re: Father Of Apollo Missions: Werner Von Braun's Quote From "Conquest Of The Moon"
It doesn't matter if one can read or not, if you chose to believe what you have been fed, that's fine with me.
Wehrner von Braun was not only talking extra space for breathing air, he also mention fuel. If you want to believe that this was accomplished with one tank of fuel, some liquid oxygen, just keep on believing: it's called "cognitive dissonance," a well known medical/psychological term, as opposed to "critical thinking."
It doesn't matter if someone can read, or write, it obviously effects the literate, too.
The same people that want to believe that Niburu is on the way, with the Annunaki, to save planet earth from the NWO, can not grasp the fraud perpetrated on them, for the reason to appear to have dominated the "space race," during the cold war.
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Thanks for proving you didn't read the post on lunar orbit rendezvous. Von Braun was talking about the direct ascent method. It was specifically not chosen because of the size of rocket needed.
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Actually, I did read it, you have a habit of jumping to conclusions, don't you. I just don't believe it. You can come up with all the math you want. Next you'll be telling me that the earth is flat, because "spherical trigonometry," that the flaties use proves that earth is flat because ship captains have reported seeing other ships, or spires, well off into the distance, which proves that earth is flat.
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Very intriguing, OP. You're familiar with the term "cognitive dissonance", you use the term "critical thinking" yet you denigrate mathematics as a basis for evaluating the truth of your thesis, and proclaim that you simply refuse to believe something without citing any evidence other than your feelings. Meanwhile, you scoff at flat earthers whose world views and reasoning method seems to be just like yours.

It would certainly be true that if scientist's approach to discovery were like yours, we would not have managed to visit the moon, to launch satellites, or even invent the wheel. As it is, science generally works quite well as a means for discovery, and the technology that you're using to post your thoughts on this matter amply demonstrates that.
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If you solely believe/trust in all the mathematical excuses that pander to the theories that fly in the face of logic, and want to believe that it is fine with me. To me it's more about logic: if the indirect ascent, as opposed to the "direct ascent," that you're insisting Von Braun was referring to, how does that overcome the gravity, and penetration issue, what to speak of the safety issue of the men that flew to the Moon and back in a tin-can.
Have you watched "all," of the Moon landing de-bunking videos recently posted on YouTube?
Flaties use spherical-trigonometry to support their claims, simply because objects have been seen way beyond the limits of what this math/science would be plausible.
"Using a telescope, on a clear day, the Statue Of Liberty can be seen from over 60-miles away, when it should be 2,072' below the horizon!"
When does math apply, and when doesn't apply, I just don't rely on math, it's what common sense tells me.
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Re: Father Of Apollo Missions: Werner Von Braun's Quote From "Conquest Of The Moon"
This is my last post here.

Did the head of NASA recently come out and say that the earth went from an oblique spheroid, to pear shaped and yet the photos from the Apollo missions have the photos of earth being as round as, and called a blue marble?
Another younger man said that they are trying to develop a technique to get astronauts safely beyond the Van Allen Belt, because the radiation levels are deadly? Did the "indirect method," as opposed the the "direct ascent," method overcome the radiation issue, too?
Top level NASA members have admitted that the images from space are "CGI (computer generated images). Dude it's not "me," it's the lack of consistency, it's self evident, logic.
Come on, the gig is up, the space race is over, we are superior in strength without that being true or not.
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This is my last post here.
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Good riddance.

Did the head of NASA recently come out and say that the earth went from an oblique spheroid, to pear shaped and yet the photos from the Apollo missions have the photos of earth being as round as, and called a blue marble?
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The difference between perfect sphere and oblate spheroid is less than 1% and can't be easily seen with the naked eye.

Another younger man said that they are trying to develop a technique to get astronauts safely beyond the Van Allen Belt, because the radiation levels are deadly?
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Actually in the video he was talking about testing the electronics which are more sensitive than those used on Apollo. Apoll also used a trajectory that went AROUND the majority of the belts. Problem is, due to the angle of the belts and the angle of the Moon's orbit, that trajectory is not always available. When they go back they want to go more often and at will and they may have to go through the center of the belts.

Did the "indirect method," as opposed the the "direct ascent," method overcome the radiation issue, too?
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And here you prove you didn't really look at the links provided or read the post. the Lunar orbit rendezvous was never referred to as the "indirect" method.
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Re: Father Of Apollo Missions: Werner Von Braun's Quote From "Conquest Of The Moon"
I always wondered how they would have the "breathing-air," resources, liquid oxygen is not the answer, because they would still need a huge ship to carry the resources needed for breathable air to sustain life for that long of a period and on such a small craft if would have been impossible.
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Re: Father Of Apollo Missions: Werner Von Braun's Quote From "Conquest Of The Moon"
The moon is so far away you could fit all the planets in our solar system between the earth and the moon... just to put the kind of distance we are talking about into perspective.
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Re: Father Of Apollo Missions: Werner Von Braun's Quote From "Conquest Of The Moon"
Where did they go to the bathroom exactly and have room to maneuver and whatnot?

And the capsule was pressurized was it?

How did they pressurize it when getting back inside it and leaving the Moon exactly? Did they just shut the door and manually turn a knob on some oxygen tanks?

Not to mention those big boxes on the back of those Michelin Man suits they wore. Those were breathing/heat/a.c. units of some sort? All untested in the harsh conditions of space and direct sunlight?

Lastly, they perfected travel back and forth to the Moon, not once, but SIX TIMES and yet, no astronauts were ever seen at the mall or similar, like Santa Claus or Captain Kangaroo, reading to children and encouraging them to go to school and learn to become astronauts one day because that's where the future was heading?

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