A Sure Sign of Weak and Yapping Christians, They Like "apostle" Paul.

Paul's easy salvation leads people into delusion.

They imagine they are saved when they clearly aren't.

Worse, they lead others into false Christianity, which many of them later abandon, becoming cynical and ever refusing to listen to Jesus.

It is the blind leading the blind into a ditch.

Pay attention to Paul's own testimony. His vision of "Jesus" blinded him. Jesus gives sight, not blindness.

That should give you a clue about the true nature of Paul's conversion.

He had emunah, firmness in God, not Gnostic "faith".

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Nope. YHWH is.

I have no direct knowledge of this Torah reference you apparently think is in some way germane here to Paul being a false apostle. Ask some of your Yiddish friends about it, not me. Lol. Try to focus on the topic here, rather than your far flung theological notions.

Understand what I just said to you? Maybe?

Those who think "hating Paul" is shown by speaking his own self disclosed narratives are trained to speak emotional excesses, just as do Wimmin.

Lol. You woman.

Did Paul ever write, "Speak I, not the Lord?"

Be a Big Strong Jesus Follower, and answer with the Truth.

Lol.

I agree, you cannot understand what Paul wrote. But, I easily fo understand his babbling speculations.

Did Paul ever write, "Speak I, Not the Lord?" Yes? No? Afraid to answer?

Lol.

Rubbish, you cannot "earn" your way into Heaven, as this couple found out.

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So, Peter does agree with Paul that not all of Paul's writings are The Word of God. Yes.

Have you not noticed that the more you try to argue with me, the more you verify what I have been saying? That occurs because I know how to identify the axiomatic truth "CONTAINED" in The Bible.

Lol. Keep arguing. This is fun.

Alive in Christ

1.Jesus 1."For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son also gives life to whom He wishes," (John 5:21).

2.Paul 1."For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all shall be made alive," (1 Cor. 15:22).






2.Anxiety 1.Jesus 1."For this reason I say to you, do not be anxious for your life, as to what you shall eat, or what you shall drink; nor for your body, as to what you shall put on. Is not life more than food, and the body than clothing?" (Matt. 6:25).


2.Paul 1."Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God," (Phil. 4:6).






3.Atonement 1.Jesus 1."I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep," (John 10:11).

2.Paul 1."and walk in love, just as Christ also loved you, and gave Himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God as a fragrant aroma," (Eph. 5:2).






4.Deity of Jesus 1.Jesus 1."Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am," (John 8:58). Compare with Exodus 3:14, "And God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM"; and He said, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, "I AM has sent me to you."

2.Paul 1."For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form," (Col. 2:9). See also, Phil. 2:5-8.






5.Forgiveness 1.Jesus 1."For if you forgive men for their transgressions, your heavenly Father will also forgive you," (Matt. 6:14).

2.Paul 1."And be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you," (Eph. 4:32).






6.Jesus is the only way 1.Jesus 1."Jesus said to him, "I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me," (John 14:6).

2.Paul 1."For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus," (1 Tim. 2:5).






7.Justification by faith 1.Jesus 1."Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life," (John 5:24). See also John 3:16-18, Luke 18:9-13.

2.Paul 1."Therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ," (Rom. 5:1).






8.Law, the 1.Jesus 1."Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill," (Matt. 5:17).

2.Paul 1."Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law," (Rom. 3:31).
2."What I am saying is this: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise," (Gal. 3:17).






9.Law, living the 1.Jesus 1."You shall not commit murder; You shall not commit adultery; You shall not steal; You shall not bear false witness; 19 Honor your father and mother; and You shall love your neighbor as yourself," (Matt. 19:18-19).

2.Paul 1."Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. 9 For this, "You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet," and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." 10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; love therefore is the fulfillment of the law," (Rom. 13:8-10)






10.Predestination 1.Jesus 1."Not all men can accept this statement, but only those to whom it has been given," (Matt. 19:11).
2."All that the Father gives Me shall come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out," (John 6:37).
3."No one can come to Me, unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day," (John 6:44).
4."For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me, unless it has been granted him from the Father," (John 6:65).

2.Paul 1."He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will . . . 11 also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will," (Eph. 1:5, 11).






11.Resurrection 1.Jesus 1."The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of men; 23 and they will kill Him, and He will be raised on the third day," (Matt. 17:22-23).

2.Paul 1."For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures," (1 Cor. 15:3-4).






12.Rewards and Punishment 1.Jesus 1."For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels; and will then recompense every man according to his deeds," (Matt. 16:27).

2.Paul 1."who will render to every man according to his deeds," (Rom. 2:6).






13.Sinfulness of man 1.Jesus 1."For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders. 20 "These are the things which defile the man; but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile the man," (Matt. 15:19-20).

2.Paul 1."There is none who understands, There is none who seeks for God; 12 All have turned aside, together they have become useless; There is none who does good, There is not even one,"� (Rom. 3:11-12).






14.Tradition 1.Jesus 1."And why do you yourselves transgress the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition?" (Matt. 15:3).

2.Paul 1."See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ," (Col. 2:8).






15.Works' Righteousness denied 1.Jesus 1."Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' 23 "And then I will declare to them, "I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness," (Matt. 7:22-23).


2.Paul 1."Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, "The righteous man shall live by faith," (Gal. 3:11).







As you can see, this brief list demonstrates that Jesus and Paul both taught the same thing.

Let me help you.

The point of this thread is that, Yes, Paul did reiterate much of Christ's message, as you dutifully reviewed. But, Paul added to that has own nonsense, thereby corrupting Christ's Gospel. For instance, Paul inserted his erroneous view of Grace, claiming that it alone was sufficient for Salvation. Yet, Jesus taught no such thing, and never spoke the word "Grace." Simply because Paul seemed accurate about some things does not prove all of his ideologies were true.

Do you grasp what I just said? Maybe not ... ?

Paul reaped the error of his talk. He had to write many remedial letters to his illfounded churches, fought many years to validate his identity and doctrines, continually violated Proverbs 10:19, never was united with The Apostles, had strife within his associates, was thrown out of the Ephesian Church as a false apostle. died alone, uncomemorated, abandoned.

The OP contains opinion and no facts so to argue one would need facts to respond to - you sir are worse than a twit - you are a moran. Your very base of reasoning reveals a disturbed and illogical mind.

Nowhere does Peter discount Paul's writing but refers to them as "scripture" - you present distortions that anyone who can read sees your errors. Your making a fool of yourself and don't see your lack of logic.

The fools are the ones who can and always post short comments that are void of research and it takes libraries to refute them. It takes one fool to throw a rock in the well but it takes ten wise men to pull it out.

Looks like you are bound for Hell.

1.) You have called someone a "fool," in ignorance of Christ's warning not to do so.

2.) You have not forgiven my trespasses, therefore God will not forgive you your trespasses, according to Jesus in Matthew 6:14-15.

3.) You have too much pride and religious arrogance to he differentiated from The Pharisees.

Lol. Show more error in your next post. This is fun.

Look up the definition of "Scripture." It merely means "writings." Lol.

Have you noticed that "wise writings" and production of "scripture" is never given in The Bible as a feature of Apostleship? No, evidently you have not.

I enjoy educating obese guys as yourself with your little nonfunctional icons. You huff and bluster, as if you possess authority, but you avoid facts. You speak like women who can only share their intuitive ideas about "How Things Seem To Be!" Go eat a fried chicken, or something fattening. Lol.

Always reverse the mottos of the fool and you will find the nugget of the wise.

When you start providing facts let us know. Then perhaps we can have a discussion.

II Peter 3: 15 - 17

. . and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and fall from your own steadfastness,…

Or as you would like:

II Peter 3: 15 - 17

. . and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the writings, to their own destruction. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and fall from your own steadfastness,…

Either way you are in error, Peter acknowledges Paul's writings (teachings) and rebukes those who distort Paul's teaching (that would be you)

You mention facts - yet you ignore the very facts of scripture.


Tell us which teachings do you hold to as inspired?

We are all Paul!!!

How's that cookie worship going?

Just the opposite, Peter states that All parts of Paul's messages are inspired by God.
Peter goes on to describe describes you in 2 Peter 3:16 "...which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.…"

Been there done that...... will be a cold day in hell before I trust the Pope/Vatican/Catholics or Protestant denominations(harlot daughters of the WHORE OF ROME...
"COME OUT OF HER(BABYLON) AND TOUCH NOT THE UNCLEAN(DEAD) THING LEAST YE PARTAKE IN HER PLAGUES/JUDGMENTS..

Always ignore what overweight and sputtering bearded guts try to explain.

Lol. They think because of their fat gut and facial hair they possess some kind of "authority." They presume to have English conprehension, a valid world view, and a grasp of Sctipture.

Discuss the facts in my opening post. Have a large meat sandwich. Lol.

Because Paul was a presumptuous idiot, he was the only Biblical writer to use #2315 "theopneustos." As any scholar worth their fat gut should know, no valid Theological Doctrine can be formed using a singular appearance of a single word. Scriptural "inspiration" is just another personal addition to Paul's text.

Have you noticed I know more about Paul than you do ... ? Lol. Stay obese and intellectually lax. It is the best you can do.

Yes, I agree. Paul's babbling is your speed. Lol. Remember, Jesus never spoke the word "grace."

This is fun.