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Remember when I asked you if it is better to be loved or feared?

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It is best to be both. But it is very difficult...

Fear lasts longer than love.

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I do remember now.
Wow that was a Universal Mind ago
Is it better to be loved or feared?

The golden rule.

Is the rule

I would prefer to grow/build something rather than own/posses it.

Have you tried growing a plant that you do not care for?
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Never.

When I was 10, my parents gave me a plant that was given to them on their 1st anniversary.

I cared for it for 3 decades. Until it got too tall for a 2 story ceiling and no one was here to care for it.

When someone finally did dispose of it eventually, and rather recently, I was happy to be relieved of it.
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I never had beef with Elle for 1 minute. 141 and I haven't spoken in years.. BUt when we did..


As for you...I've put your maturity level around 23.

How close am I?
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29 lol just turned big kid

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I never had beef with Elle for 1 minute. 141 and I haven't spoken in years.. BUt when we did..


As for you...I've put your maturity level around 23.

How close am I?
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oh, i saw her post that you had lost your abilities to see stuff for a while and something about the final constructs being destroyed imminently, but what she dont get is that this is my party:



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I never had beef with Elle for 1 minute. 141 and I haven't spoken in years.. BUt when we did..


As for you...I've put your maturity level around 23.

How close am I?
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29 lol just turned big kid
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OIC

When you hit 30, 33, 37, and 40 your Ego will either work with your forward momentum or you will crash and burn into your own self-made fires..
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lol i forgot your all robots for 29 years sorry guys, go about whatever the hell it is you like to do i need to do some maintenance on the matrix for a while


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Here's what you need to know about the Labyrinth.


What is Novelty? What is immaturity?

Exactly.

Enjoy it while it lasts..............


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Remember when I asked you if it is better to be loved or feared?

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I do remember now.
Wow that was a Universal Mind ago
Is it better to be loved or feared?

The golden rule.

Is the rule

I would prefer to grow/build something rather than own/posses it.

Have you tried growing a plant that you do not care for?
 Quoting: C4PO


Never.

When I was 10, my parents gave me a plant that was given to them on their 1st anniversary.

I cared for it for 3 decades. Until it got too tall for a 2 story ceiling and no one was here to care for it.

When someone finally did dispose of it eventually, and rather recently, I was happy to be relieved of it.
 Quoting: Seer777


It is better to be than become.

That is my answer :)

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I do remember now.
Wow that was a Universal Mind ago
Is it better to be loved or feared?

The golden rule.

Is the rule

I would prefer to grow/build something rather than own/posses it.

Have you tried growing a plant that you do not care for?
 Quoting: C4PO


Never.

When I was 10, my parents gave me a plant that was given to them on their 1st anniversary.

I cared for it for 3 decades. Until it got too tall for a 2 story ceiling and no one was here to care for it.

When someone finally did dispose of it eventually, and rather recently, I was happy to be relieved of it.
 Quoting: Seer777


It is better to be than become.

That is my answer :)

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Nah. That's the point behind RPG's..and Life?

Becoming something more?

Built through Time, Discipline, and work.


We all RPG'in it through life.


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Remember when I asked you if it is better to be loved or feared?

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It is best to be both. But it is very difficult...

Fear lasts longer than love.

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I do remember now.
Wow that was a Universal Mind ago
Is it better to be loved or feared?

The golden rule.

Is the rule

I would prefer to grow/build something rather than own/posses it. Have you tried growing a plant that you do not care for?
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Both.
The people love you for keepin them safe from the "bad", who fear you because they know what you'll do...
...which also means your people fear you, for they know what you'll do should they turn "bad".
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With that said...

One of the greatest mass murders of all-time was quoted as saying such...

Beat him...it is the worst thing you can do someone.
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With that said...

One of the greatest mass murders of all-time was quoted as saying such...

Beat him...it is the worst thing you can do someone.
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For 3 days he was left to die slowly on the floor of his bedroom because he has terrorized his staff to 'NOT ENTER'.

So there he died..listening to them knocking. Knowing he prevented them from entering, without word.

Which stroke, holds.
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With that said...

One of the greatest mass murders of all-time was quoted as saying such...

Beat him...it is the worst thing you can do someone.
 Quoting: Seer777


For 3 days he was left to die slowly on the floor of his bedroom because he has terrorized his staff to 'NOT ENTER'.

So there he died..listening to them knocking. Knowing he prevented them from entering, without word.

Which stroke, holds.
 Quoting: Seer777


Sounds like he garnered no love, even among those he knew...
Only fear.
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With that said...

One of the greatest mass murders of all-time was quoted as saying such...

Beat him...it is the worst thing you can do someone.
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For 3 days he was left to die slowly on the floor of his bedroom because he has terrorized his staff to 'NOT ENTER'.

So there he died..listening to them knocking. Knowing he prevented them from entering, without word.

Which stroke, holds.
 Quoting: Seer777


Sounds like he garnered no love, even among those he knew...
Only fear.
 Quoting: Sol-tari


The only woman he loved, died in childbirth. He loathed the child thereafter and had nothing to do with him.

Even after his son, was captured for leverage.


When his second wife killed herself, he was heard wailing for hours.

He said after that God was dead. And proceeded to kill many millions. Through the slowest way imaginable.
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With that said...

One of the greatest mass murders of all-time was quoted as saying such...

Beat him...it is the worst thing you can do someone.
 Quoting: Seer777


For 3 days he was left to die slowly on the floor of his bedroom because he has terrorized his staff to 'NOT ENTER'.

So there he died..listening to them knocking. Knowing he prevented them from entering, without word.

Which stroke, holds.
 Quoting: Seer777


Sounds like he garnered no love, even among those he knew...
Only fear.
 Quoting: Sol-tari


The only woman he loved, died in childbirth. He loathed the child thereafter and had nothing to do with him.

Even after his son, was captured for leverage.


When his second wife killed herself, he was heard wailing for hours.

He said after that God was dead. And proceeded to kill many millions. Through the slowest way imaginable.
 Quoting: Seer777


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Could not find who that quote belongs, got this instead.

Sounds like a sad story. Why lash out at the innocent for your injuries? Especially a child
"Gaze not into the abyss..."
Seems he became a monster.
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With that said...

One of the greatest mass murders of all-time was quoted as saying such...

Beat him...it is the worst thing you can do someone.
 Quoting: Seer777


For 3 days he was left to die slowly on the floor of his bedroom because he has terrorized his staff to 'NOT ENTER'.

So there he died..listening to them knocking. Knowing he prevented them from entering, without word.

Which stroke, holds.
 Quoting: Seer777


Sounds like he garnered no love, even among those he knew...
Only fear.
 Quoting: Sol-tari


The only woman he loved, died in childbirth. He loathed the child thereafter and had nothing to do with him.

Even after his son, was captured for leverage.


When his second wife killed herself, he was heard wailing for hours.

He said after that God was dead. And proceeded to kill many millions. Through the slowest way imaginable.
 Quoting: Seer777


You know what he said when they captured his only son?


Dzhugashvili served as an artillery officer in the Red Army and was captured on 16 July 1941 in the early stages of the German invasion of USSR at the Battle of Smolensk.

The Germans later offered to exchange Dzhugashvili for Friedrich Paulus, the German Field Marshal captured by the Soviets after the Battle of Stalingrad, but Stalin turned the offer down, allegedly saying,

"I will not exchange a Field Marshal for a lieutenant."

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According to Nikolai Tolstoy, there was another proposal as well, with Hitler wanting to exchange Dzhugashvili for Hitler's nephew Leo Raubal; but this was not accepted either.



Hitler gave orders to examine the possibility of a prisoner exchange with the Soviets for Stalin's son Yakov Dzhugashvili, who had been captured by the Germans on 16 July 1941.[6] Stalin [7] refused to exchange him either for Raubal or for Friedrich Paulus,[8] and said "war is war."


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According to Nikolai Tolstoy, there was another proposal as well, with Hitler wanting to exchange Dzhugashvili for Hitler's nephew Leo Raubal; but this was not accepted either.



Hitler gave orders to examine the possibility of a prisoner exchange with the Soviets for Stalin's son Yakov Dzhugashvili, who had been captured by the Germans on 16 July 1941.[6] Stalin [7] refused to exchange him either for Raubal or for Friedrich Paulus,[8] and said "war is war."


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Even Hilter was taken aback by the cold shoulder regarding Stalin's son.

Like I said, Stalin loathed that boy..


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With that said...

One of the greatest mass murders of all-time was quoted as saying such...

Beat him...it is the worst thing you can do someone.
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It is wise to know why he said this though...

Stalin as a child was at the mercy of horribly abusive drunk step-father.

So abusive...that he maimed his arm permanently around 8 years old..and he went to live with the monks..


The 'arm thing' was why he had a harder time..joining the 'resistence' as a youth...


When the greatest mass-murder of all-time tells you beating someone is worse than death..I think he meant it.
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With that said...

One of the greatest mass murders of all-time was quoted as saying such...

Beat him...it is the worst thing you can do someone.
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It is wise to know why he said this though...

Stalin as a child was at the mercy of horribly abusive drunk step-father.

So abusive...that he maimed his arm permanently around 8 years old..and he went to live with the monks..


The 'arm thing' was why he had a harder time..joining the 'resistence' as a youth...


When the greatest mass-murder of all-time tells you beating someone is worse than death..I think he meant it.
 Quoting: Seer777


To escape the abusive relationship, Keke took Stalin and moved into the house of a family friend, Father Christopher Charkviani.[18] She worked as a house cleaner and launderer for local families sympathetic to her plight.[19] Keke was determined to send her son to school, something that none of the family had previously achieved.[20] In late 1888, aged 10 Stalin enrolled at the Gori Church School. This was normally reserved for the children of clergy, although Charkviani ensured that the boy received a place...

....Aged 12, he was seriously injured after being hit by a phaeton, which was the likely cause of a lifelong disability to his left arm.

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According to the works of the Iranian historian Rashid al-Din (1247–1318), the Mongols killed more than 700,000 people in Merv and more than a million in Nishapur. The total population of Persia may have dropped from 2,500,000 to 250,000 as a result of mass extermination and famine.

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With that said...

One of the greatest mass murders of all-time was quoted as saying such...

Beat him...it is the worst thing you can do someone.
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It is wise to know why he said this though...

Stalin as a child was at the mercy of horribly abusive drunk step-father.

So abusive...that he maimed his arm permanently around 8 years old..and he went to live with the monks..


The 'arm thing' was why he had a harder time..joining the 'resistence' as a youth...


When the greatest mass-murder of all-time tells you beating someone is worse than death..I think he meant it.
 Quoting: Seer777


To escape the abusive relationship, Keke took Stalin and moved into the house of a family friend, Father Christopher Charkviani.[18] She worked as a house cleaner and launderer for local families sympathetic to her plight.[19] Keke was determined to send her son to school, something that none of the family had previously achieved.[20] In late 1888, aged 10 Stalin enrolled at the Gori Church School. This was normally reserved for the children of clergy, although Charkviani ensured that the boy received a place...

....Aged 12, he was seriously injured after being hit by a phaeton, which was the likely cause of a lifelong disability to his left arm.

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According to the works of the Iranian historian Rashid al-Din (1247–1318), the Mongols killed more than 700,000 people in Merv and more than a million in Nishapur. The total population of Persia may have dropped from 2,500,000 to 250,000 as a result of mass extermination and famine.

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 Quoting: Sol-tari


I think highly empathic people can be pushed into numbness with can resemble both the coldness and distance that sociopaths display.

Perhaps even becoming a sociopath yourself. To not feel at all, is sometimes far better than too much.

Basically, blocking everything. I think empaths and sociopaths do this similarly.


I ended up watching a documentary on Stalin yesterday and I was shocked at how easy it was for me to see how he became like he did.

Hindsight being 20:20.

He was the son of a poor, violent abusive father, which injured him so severely when he was 7, that his left arm was left withered for life by the assault. He was then accepted into a type of priesthood for boys, where he was beaten there and God knows what else.

His first wife dies in childbirth from which he exclaims, she takes his heart with her in her death. From there is a decent into what later occurred.

The starving deaths of millions.


His mother said to him on her death bed, Son, it would have been better had you become a priest...



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To go through hell (lower level of being) and still be able to feel love and compassion is strength. You then get to leave hell, so to speak, because you've risen above external circumstances without it affecting who you are inside. The frequency of love and the domain of the selfless.

To go through hell and lose all love and compassion is weakness, turning one into the very thing that hurt you originally. You devolve lower into hell, the frequency of fear and the domain of the bully.

It's tricky business.
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Well said and tricky indeed.

Gazing into the Abyss and all that. Fine line.


With Stalin, it almost felt like a deliberate act against a God that 'didn't exist'. It wasn't there to help him as a boy, nor in the boys priesthood, and took the very thing he loved as a man. And that point I suppose gaining power with his charisma and tactics was no longer impeded by the worry about what 'God' may think of any action. He was ruthless to succeed. And succeed he did. He was a nobody that rose to the top. To worship. While millions died. A Cult of personality.

His 2nd wife killed herself and denounced him in the suicide letter. They were all afraid of him.


I have been considering for over a week now how a sociopath can be created and this followed one of my posits.
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Stalin's mother was the first/last human he ever loved.

Maybe beside his daughter..which he even threatened to kill...
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Funny how many different ways a story can be told, is changed or modified as time rolls on. And that's just in 50 years.


The purge was motivated by the desire to remove dissenters from the Communist Party and to consolidate the authority of Stalin. Most public attention was focused on the purge of certain parts of the leadership of the Communist Party, as well as of government bureaucrats and leaders of the armed forces, most of whom were Party members. The campaigns also affected many other categories of the society: intelligentsia, peasants and especially those branded as "too rich for a peasant" (kulaks), and professionals.

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Thread: China is detaining Twatter users

Chinese Twitter users have been detained, interrogated, and threatened for their tweets, The New York Times reports.

Twitter, like many internet platforms including Facebook and Google, is not available in China. Nonetheless, a small percentage of Chinese internet users circumvent the Great Firewall using software to access the site.

Now it seems that Chinese authorities are cracking down.

The Times spoke with nine Twitter users who have been questioned by the police, and reviewed a recording of a four-hour long interrogation. Officers showed people printouts of their tweets complaining that they were critical of the government or of President Xi Jinping, and advised them to take down their tweets or delete their accounts.


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Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.'

The quote is most likely due to writer and philosopher George Santayana, and in its original form it read, "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

Santayana was known for aphorisms, and for being a professor in philosophy at Harvard which he abandoned. Prior to that, Santayana attended Boston Latin School and Harvard College, where he studied under the philosophers William James and Josiah Royce.

According to Santayana's philosophy, history repeats. The phrasing itself certainly is catchy. It's a big one, not only because it is so common, but also because if it is true and if history, driven by human nature, is ugly (hint: it is), then this saying ought to guide our public and private policy.

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Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.'

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It's seems so simple, right?

Whatever 'they' are... 'we' sure make it easy for em.
Some Will. Some won't. So.......
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Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.'

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It's seems so simple, right?

Whatever 'they' are... 'we' sure make it easy for em.
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They are those whom people choose to make their authority.

It is said while Stalin lay dying on his floor...his staff pounded loudly and repeatedly at his door..for 3 days.

None cared enough, to chance his rage lest they were wrong.

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Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.'

 Quoting: Sol-tari


It's seems so simple, right?

Whatever 'they' are... 'we' sure make it easy for em.
 Quoting: SyncAsFunk


They are those who people choose to make their authority.

It is said while Stalin lay dying on his floor...his staff pounded loudly and repeatedly at his door..for 3 days.

None cared enough, to chance his rage lest they were they wrong.
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I simply don't understand... I literally cannot wrap my head around that sort of fear control.

I'd be deaded fast in a system like that, I realize.

I'd guess it wouldn't be the first time or the last for me.
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Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.'

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It's seems so simple, right?

Whatever 'they' are... 'we' sure make it easy for em.
 Quoting: SyncAsFunk


They are those whom people choose to make their authority.

It is said while Stalin lay dying on his floor...his staff pounded loudly and repeatedly at his door..for 3 days.

None cared enough, to chance his rage lest they were wrong.
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I like to think of him laying there...in his absolute helplessness..listening to the knocks of those he bound to obey.

They let him die because that is how he willed them to be. He knew it too. As he slowly laid there..wondering after his life.

Or maybe the stroke took that from him. I'd like to think not.
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Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.'

 Quoting: Sol-tari


It's seems so simple, right?

Whatever 'they' are... 'we' sure make it easy for em.
 Quoting: SyncAsFunk


They are those whom people choose to make their authority.

It is said while Stalin lay dying on his floor...his staff pounded loudly and repeatedly at his door..for 3 days.

None cared enough, to chance his rage lest they were wrong.
 Quoting: Seer777


I like to think of him laying there...in his absolute helplessness..listening to the knocks of those he bound to obey.

They let him die because that is how he willed them to be. He knew it too. As he slowly laid there..wondering after his life.

Or maybe the stroke took that from him. I'd like to think not.
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I get that.

I understand the desire for universal justice.

Probably too deeply given our circumstance here.
Some Will. Some won't. So.......