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Direct democracy or pure democracy is a form of democracy in which the electorate decides on policy initiatives without legislative representatives as proxies.
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sensative to local tradition
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Criticism of Tesla, Inc., especially under CEO Elon Musk, ranges from potential safety issues to questionable business practices which include alleged fraud,[1] a history of environmental violations,[2] disregard for workers' safety,[3][4] and Musk's excessive compensation package.[5] Tesla and Musk have also been criticized for their attempts to intimidate and silence whistleblowers, journalists, and other critics who have spoken out against the company....

....In order to gain shareholder support for the buyout, Musk unveiled the Solar Roof in October 2016, but the Solar Roof tiles that Musk displayed were later revealed to be fake

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Etc, etc
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do you never notice what the topic is
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Sometimes you should pay attention to who's delivering the message, and why.
Wonder what laws he's thinking of "rolling back"
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social engineering
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cruise
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sensative to local tradition
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Direct democracy or pure democracy is a form of democracy in which the electorate decides on policy initiatives without legislative representatives as proxies.
 Quoting: today

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Criticism of Tesla, Inc., especially under CEO Elon Musk, ranges from potential safety issues to questionable business practices which include alleged fraud,[1] a history of environmental violations,[2] disregard for workers' safety,[3][4] and Musk's excessive compensation package.[5] Tesla and Musk have also been criticized for their attempts to intimidate and silence whistleblowers, journalists, and other critics who have spoken out against the company....

....In order to gain shareholder support for the buyout, Musk unveiled the Solar Roof in October 2016, but the Solar Roof tiles that Musk displayed were later revealed to be fake

[link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)]

Etc, etc
 Quoting: Sol-tari


do you never notice what the topic is
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Sometimes you should pay attention to who's delivering the message, and why.
Wonder what laws he's thinking of "rolling back"
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it might be satan or an alien huh
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Direct democracy or pure democracy is a form of democracy in which the electorate decides on policy initiatives without legislative representatives as proxies.
 Quoting: today

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]
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no one has to wait for Mars we can ignite it here easy oeaxy technically

is there justice for everyone in that
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Criticism of Tesla, Inc., especially under CEO Elon Musk, ranges from potential safety issues to questionable business practices which include alleged fraud,[1] a history of environmental violations,[2] disregard for workers' safety,[3][4] and Musk's excessive compensation package.[5] Tesla and Musk have also been criticized for their attempts to intimidate and silence whistleblowers, journalists, and other critics who have spoken out against the company....

....In order to gain shareholder support for the buyout, Musk unveiled the Solar Roof in October 2016, but the Solar Roof tiles that Musk displayed were later revealed to be fake

[link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)]

Etc, etc
 Quoting: Sol-tari


do you never notice what the topic is
 Quoting: aether


Sometimes you should pay attention to who's delivering the message, and why.
Wonder what laws he's thinking of "rolling back"
 Quoting: Sol-tari


it might be satan or an alien huh
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Who are you claiming is Satan now?
You know I don't buy into that book, right?
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Direct democracy or pure democracy is a form of democracy in which the electorate decides on policy initiatives without legislative representatives as proxies.
 Quoting: today

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]
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no one has to wait for Mars we can ignite it here easy oeaxy technically

is there justice for everyone in that
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Depends on how it's operated.
Free and educated citizens voting, or similar climate to now where you can convince people to vote ageist their best interests because of a fear factor
"We must lower corporate taxes for trickle down effect!"
Record profits, even more homeless
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01/11/2022 08:10 PM

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Direct democracy or pure democracy is a form of democracy in which the electorate decides on policy initiatives without legislative representatives as proxies.
 Quoting: today

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]
 Quoting: aether


no one has to wait for Mars we can ignite it here easy oeaxy technically

is there justice for everyone in that
 Quoting: aether


Depends on how it's operated.
Free and educated citizens voting, or similar climate to now where you can convince people to vote ageist their best interests because of a fear factor
"We must lower corporate taxes for trickle down effect!"
Record profits, even more homeless
 Quoting: Sol-tari


lovley
do you enjoy the notion of it functioning here on earth for and on behalf of modern man
all of us
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no one has to wait for Mars we can ignite it here easy oeaxy technically

is there justice for everyone in that
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Depends on how it's operated.
Free and educated citizens voting, or similar climate to now where you can convince people to vote ageist their best interests because of a fear factor
"We must lower corporate taxes for trickle down effect!"
Record profits, even more homeless
 Quoting: Sol-tari


lovley
do you enjoy the notion of it functioning here on earth for and on behalf of modern man
all of us
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It's not the system used, but the people in charge of it and their intentions.
Virtually every style of government has had success if those in charge have the right motives, and likewise they've all failed when the wrong motives lead the way
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really
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does it never cross your mind that it is beyond us and it always was
it being that which describe that never is
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01/11/2022 08:23 PM

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does it never cross your mind that it is beyond us and it always was
it being that which describe that never is
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thus ai is direct democracy with no people in charge of in charge
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does it never cross your mind that it is beyond us and it always was
it being that which describe that never is
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thus ai is direct democracy with no people in charge of in charge
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that we possess the technology to do now
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does it never cross your mind that it is beyond us and it always was
it being that which describe that never is
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thus ai is direct democracy with no people in charge of in charge
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that we possess the technology to do now
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it is currently in the philosophy department becoming humanised
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01/11/2022 08:27 PM
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Speaking in rather broad strokes here without getting into the nitty-gritty of course.
Theoretically they all work - lots of empires throughout history with various levels of success that demonstrate it, as well as examples where my point of those in charge being a cornerstone to the whole affair can lead it to rather rapid destruction. A modern example being near 30trillion in debt and unwanted wars, despite electing people for over a decade that campaigned on ending those wars.
And while there may be geopolitical motivations for why such things can change when a person reaches office without simply hand waving "empty promises to garner votes", keeping the citizens in the dark over such would be no different then convincing musks democracy voters to go to war via government/interests propoganda
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does it never cross your mind that it is beyond us and it always was
it being that which describe that never is
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thus ai is direct democracy with no people in charge of in charge
 Quoting: aether


that we possess the technology to do now
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it is currently in the philosophy department becoming humanised
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Depends on the programming, so to speak.
No different then humans really - may be able to form its own conclusions, but that depends not only upon the above, but also the information presented to it.

Co-operation would be the way to go


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likley america being our system leader will be the first to switch to it and russia with china can agree to that and switch themselves by uniting their systems to fit america and the rest will agree
civilian only system

that sort of thing
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global force majure is the only legal way to avoid usa debt default while maintaining station as world system leader

art of a deal is the feel of divine intervention
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likley america being our system leader will be the first to switch to it and russia with china can agree to that and switch themselves by uniting their systems to fit america and the rest will agree
civilian only system

that sort of thing
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we have a few things going on now we are in year 3

steo by step

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global force majure is the only legal way to avoid usa debt default while maintaining station as world system leader

art of a deal is the feel of divine intervention
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likley america being our system leader will be the first to switch to it and russia with china can agree to that and switch themselves by uniting their systems to fit america and the rest will agree
civilian only system

that sort of thing
 Quoting: aether


we have a few things going on now we are in year 3

steo by step
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There's a great comment on your Musk clip

exploration of space cannot even begin without togetherness/service to others. just like in farms of animals, service to others is claimed by poor billionaires (dough, in clear service to themselves). the galactic community would not even remotely allow us there until we show at least first traces of planetary intelligence.

Getting to the point of requiring open cooperation and an entirely new system, not the same one with a few extra bells and whistles added on
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It's earth.
Not america
Not China
Not my group
All groups

Avoid debt default and remain world leader, fucking hell.
Let's cold war again!
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seriously please read what is said you read like a troll or anarchist or negative nelly or bully
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seriously please read what is said you read like a troll or anarchist or negative nelly or bully
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hf
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seriously please read what is said you read like a troll or anarchist or negative nelly or bully
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It's almost like looking at how things are run, such as the public face presented by America, does not inspire confidence as them presenting as world leaders, anymore then china's current system.

Rather not go into massive debt because a hospital is required for a simple example

You can skip my posts if you'd like =)
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It's earth.
Not america
Not China
Not my group
All groups

Avoid debt default and remain world leader, fucking hell.
Let's cold war again!
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Most have seemingly forgotten what the genuine honing of positions, beliefs and ideas look like without taking any eventual friction overly personal.

This old proverb is eternally valid, imho:

“Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of another.”

We all learn to varying degrees in different ways, of course, but even at it's most gentle - as long as we remain sentient beings - genuine learning will produce friction.

I'll openly admit I often take this adage to it's rough edges, but only because I learn the most from others in doing so.

That said, I think you elucidate your particular positions well, and although I may not personally agree with all of them, I can still appreciate your style of argument (in the classical sense) without taking them as a direct and vicious personal repudiation.


Keep up the good honest fight Sol - because it's the only good fight there is.

sun

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But you guys get a sneak peace of the kinds of things I teach my closest friends, privately.
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Why can't you 'teach' them publicly?

:)
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stop asking such direct and simple questions, it confuses the master, apparently :)

chuckle
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It's earth.
Not america
Not China
Not my group
All groups

Avoid debt default and remain world leader, fucking hell.
Let's cold war again!
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Most have seemingly forgotten what the genuine honing of positions, beliefs and ideas look like without taking any eventual friction overly personal.

This old proverb is eternally valid, imho:

“Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of another.”

We all learn to varying degrees in different ways, of course, but even at it's most gentle - as long as we remain sentient beings - genuine learning will produce friction.

I'll openly admit I often take this adage to it's rough edges, but only because I learn the most from others in doing so.

That said, I think you elucidate your particular positions well, and although I may not personally agree with all of them, I can still appreciate your style of argument (in the classical sense) without taking them as a direct and vicious personal repudiation.


Keep up the good honest fight Sol - because it's the only good fight there is.

sun
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Thank you for saying as much
Got no problem having a bit of a spar, and if my manner is direct and offends, or in your example rougher iron that catches others edges, I can live with that
shrug
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But you guys get a sneak peace of the kinds of things I teach my closest friends, privately.
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Why can't you 'teach' them publicly?

:)
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stop asking such direct and simple questions, it confuses the master, apparently :)

chuckle
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He's still learning.

We all are.

cheers
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But you guys get a sneak peace of the kinds of things I teach my closest friends, privately.
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Why can't you 'teach' them publicly?

:)
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stop asking such direct and simple questions, it confuses the master, apparently :)

chuckle
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He's still learning.

We all are.

cheers
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in deed
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Why don't you show us what you're learning or teaching, and leave me out of it...

You obviously missed the more important part, of the extent of my reach when correcting children.

The range of my influence.

So show me children, your mastery.
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Why don't you show us what you're learning or teaching, and leave me out of it...

You obviously missed the more important part, of the extent of my reach when correcting children.

The range of my influence.

So show me children, your mastery.
 Quoting: ~Breezy~


I smell farts every time you post





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