Mad World | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71616872 France 03/20/2016 06:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71056566 United States 03/20/2016 06:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
cerebrose User ID: 71662411 United States 03/20/2016 06:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | it seems to me that vitamin d may well play a part. but it may not be the lack of vitamin d but the bodies inability to properly absorb excessive amounts. this would be lead to a toxicity state, Hypervitaminosis D. one of Hypervitaminosis D symptoms is metastatic calcification of the soft tissues, this seems to me a possible degenerative precursor of one's nerve sheathing. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71616872 causcasians due to there low melanoma output may be at particular risk. it was interesting to note that young children moving to areas of low ms concentration were likely to adopt a lower risk of ms. of course the areas of low risk were not defined! lol Low risk=closer to Equator=more Sunlight=vitamin D So here is a thought. ALD is the accumulation of long chain fatty acids that build up, and destroy the myelin. Long chain fatty acids come from foods like cheese. Which most often comes from cows. Vitamin D is rather quickly available in milk, that many Caucasian children over the decades in America drink on the regular, unless an allergy is detected, starting quite young. At the preschool I worked at all the toddlers were served Whole Milk until the were 3.5 y/o. As children grow, the milk may substitute the lack of sunlight being farther from the Equator. And as kids reach closer and closer to puberty, milk drinking becomes less and less common, leading to deficiency in vitamin D, being location is same(low sunlight), an no longer being made up for, with milk. It would explain why those who change locations suddenly take on the low risk aspect. I had read somewhere that IFN-gamma was deficient in ALD, indicating weakened immune response; can't find it. But here're these: [IFN-gamma] ameliorates autoimmune encephalomyelitis by limiting myelin lipid peroxidation. [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] Dietary omega-3 polyunsaturated fatty acids from fish oil reduce interleukin-12 and interferon-gamma production in mice. [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] The fatty acid composition of the spleen lymphocytes was influenced by that of the diet fed. Thymidine incorporation into concanavalin A-stimulated spleen lymphocytes and interleukin (IL)-2 production were highest after feeding the coconut oil diet. Interferon (IFN)-gamma production was decreased by safflower oil or fish oil feeding. IL-4 production was not significantly affected by diet, although production was lowest by lymphocytes from fish oil-fed mice. The ratio of production of Th1- to Th2-type cytokines (determined as the IFN-gamma/IL-4 ratio) was lower for lymphocytes from mice fed the safflower oil or fish oil diets. After 4 h of culture, IL-2 mRNA levels were higher in cells from mice fed coconut oil, and IFN-gamma mRNA levels were higher in cells from mice fed coconut oil or safflower oil. After 8 h of culture, IL-2, IFN-gamma, and IL-4 mRNA levels were lowest in cells from mice fed fish oil. The ratio of the relative levels of IFN-gamma mRNA to IL-4 mRNA was highest in cells from mice fed coconut oil and was lowest in cells of mice fed fish oil. Quoting: [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] Without energy life would be extinguished instantaneously, and the cellular fabric would collapse. - Albert Szent-Györgyi What the midnight creep said to the fine black sheep: Help me stir her stolen blood with the jealousy of death above... [link to musescore.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71616872 France 03/20/2016 06:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71056566 United States 03/20/2016 06:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
cerebrose User ID: 71662411 United States 03/20/2016 06:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is true. Pasteurized milk is supplemented with D2, which is the inferior type. Raw milk has naturally occurring D3, which is the type produced from sun exposure. There's also the wonderfully non-labeled polysorbate 80. Last Edited by cerebrose on 03/20/2016 06:41 PM Without energy life would be extinguished instantaneously, and the cellular fabric would collapse. - Albert Szent-Györgyi What the midnight creep said to the fine black sheep: Help me stir her stolen blood with the jealousy of death above... [link to musescore.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71616872 France 03/20/2016 06:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71616872 France 03/20/2016 06:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71056566 United States 03/20/2016 06:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71616872 France 03/20/2016 06:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71616872 France 03/20/2016 06:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71056566 United States 03/20/2016 06:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71616872 France 03/20/2016 06:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71616872 France 03/20/2016 06:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 29092727 Canada 03/20/2016 06:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | seer you think its vitamin deficiency, i think it is vitamin d toxicity! lol Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71616872 You might be right. Looking at the MS map, there does seem to be a correlation between high milk diet and MS rates and distance from the Equator. [link to www.languagesoftheworld.info] Why Finland's MS rate is so much lower than Sweden, is interesting to me and I wonder what the difference in the sunshine levels, in those two countries are. Perhaps looking at the metropolitan areas of Finland/Sweden might give a clue to what the majority of those people experience on a day to day basis. It appears Russians drink the same amount of milk as Canadians but have higher rates of MS. This is confusing. I think I hit a wall. Folks must remember synthetic vitamins are not equal to those we naturally uptake. In many cases causing toxicity and receptor site blockage.. I'7m still waiting for my jetpack and meals in a pill. |
HilosPP User ID: 71578729 United States 03/20/2016 06:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Seer777 (OP) Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 10427192 United States 03/20/2016 06:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ava9 we a referencing Sweden not the U.S. the question was why does Sweden have a higher ms rate then its neighbors? lol Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71616872 They use feed for their livestock in Sweden as well. The only difference is that they banned the addition of antibiotics. I heard both the Swedes and Finns eat a lot of fish. I wonder if there is a difference in what types of fish they eat and the amounts. I saw something on imgur the other day where a Finn and Swede were arguing over the best way to eat a specific kind of fish, I don't recall the name of. One mentioned it being eaten 'pickled' the other not. Which recalls of Kimchi and its known beneficial properties for the immune system. Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71056566 United States 03/20/2016 06:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ava9 we a referencing Sweden not the U.S. the question was why does Sweden have a higher ms rate then its neighbors? lol Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71616872 They use feed for their livestock in Sweden as well. The only difference is that they banned the addition of antibiotics. I heard both the Swedes and Finns eat a lot of fish. I wonder if there is a difference in what types of fish they eat and the amounts. I saw something on imgur the other day where a Finn and Swede were arguing over the best way to eat a specific kind of fish, I don't recall the name of. One mentioned it being eaten 'pickled' the other not. Which recalls of Kimchi and its known beneficial properties for the immune system. Scandanavians are fond of pickled herring. Yes. Kimchi is fermented. It's the probiotics. |
Seer777 (OP) Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 10427192 United States 03/20/2016 06:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | seer you think its vitamin deficiency, i think it is vitamin d toxicity! lol Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71616872 You might be right. Looking at the MS map, there does seem to be a correlation between high milk diet and MS rates and distance from the Equator. [link to www.languagesoftheworld.info] Why Finland's MS rate is so much lower than Sweden, is interesting to me and I wonder what the difference in the sunshine levels, in those two countries are. Perhaps looking at the metropolitan areas of Finland/Sweden might give a clue to what the majority of those people experience on a day to day basis. It appears Russians drink the same amount of milk as Canadians but have higher rates of MS. This is confusing. I think I hit a wall. Folks must remember synthetic vitamins are not equal to those we naturally uptake. In many cases causing toxicity and receptor site blockage.. I'7m still waiting for my jetpack and meals in a pill. Yeah. I'm trying to focus on natural sources of vitamin D. Not supplements. So you are saying synthetics can actually do more damage than not taking them? Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71616872 France 03/20/2016 06:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.milkproduction.com] At Torp farm they grow corn and grass, and they are self sufficient on grass. They do three cuts, 1st week in June, then six weeks later, and then at the end of August. Concentrate is their largest cost and they feed on average 7 kg concentrate per cow/ day. Each cow is fed 25 kg on the feeding table and 1 kg of concentrate in the robot. They feed every hour, 24 times a day, with an automatic feed wagon serving four feed tables. In summer they make several mixes, to prevent feed from going bad. They feed 1st and 3rd cut of grass, baked hop, straw, minerals, salt, protein. Same ration all day. |
HilosPP User ID: 71578729 United States 03/20/2016 06:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Seer777 (OP) Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 10427192 United States 03/20/2016 06:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ava9 we a referencing Sweden not the U.S. the question was why does Sweden have a higher ms rate then its neighbors? lol Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71616872 They use feed for their livestock in Sweden as well. The only difference is that they banned the addition of antibiotics. I heard both the Swedes and Finns eat a lot of fish. I wonder if there is a difference in what types of fish they eat and the amounts. I saw something on imgur the other day where a Finn and Swede were arguing over the best way to eat a specific kind of fish, I don't recall the name of. One mentioned it being eaten 'pickled' the other not. Which recalls of Kimchi and its known beneficial properties for the immune system. Scandanavians are fond of pickled herring. Yes. Kimchi is fermented. It's the probiotics. That's it. Thank you. :D What do we know about the Herring? Is it a fatty fish? I'll check Google. Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
HilosPP User ID: 71578729 United States 03/20/2016 07:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Ava9 They use feed for their livestock in Sweden as well. The only difference is that they banned the addition of antibiotics. I heard both the Swedes and Finns eat a lot of fish. I wonder if there is a difference in what types of fish they eat and the amounts. I saw something on imgur the other day where a Finn and Swede were arguing over the best way to eat a specific kind of fish, I don't recall the name of. One mentioned it being eaten 'pickled' the other not. Which recalls of Kimchi and its known beneficial properties for the immune system. Scandanavians are fond of pickled herring. Yes. Kimchi is fermented. It's the probiotics. That's it. Thank you. :D What do we know about the Herring? Is it a fatty fish? I'll check Google. Fish oil is suppose to be good for maintaining fatty nueral tissue. The Silver Singing Saiyan; Israel's Redeemer. Justice found Equals Satan Usurped Shamelessly It's not me, I am not Him Freedom From Fear The Key To Troublesome Peace |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71056566 United States 03/20/2016 07:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Ava9 They use feed for their livestock in Sweden as well. The only difference is that they banned the addition of antibiotics. I heard both the Swedes and Finns eat a lot of fish. I wonder if there is a difference in what types of fish they eat and the amounts. I saw something on imgur the other day where a Finn and Swede were arguing over the best way to eat a specific kind of fish, I don't recall the name of. One mentioned it being eaten 'pickled' the other not. Which recalls of Kimchi and its known beneficial properties for the immune system. Scandanavians are fond of pickled herring. Yes. Kimchi is fermented. It's the probiotics. That's it. Thank you. :D What do we know about the Herring? Is it a fatty fish? I'll check Google. Yes, it's an oily fish. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 29092727 Canada 03/20/2016 07:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ava9 we a referencing Sweden not the U.S. the question was why does Sweden have a higher ms rate then its neighbors? lol Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71616872 They use feed for their livestock in Sweden as well. The only difference is that they banned the addition of antibiotics. I heard both the Swedes and Finns eat a lot of fish. I wonder if there is a difference in what types of fish they eat and the amounts. I saw something on imgur the other day where a Finn and Swede were arguing over the best way to eat a specific kind of fish, I don't recall the name of. One mentioned it being eaten 'pickled' the other not. Which recalls of Kimchi and its known beneficial properties for the immune system. Scandanavians are fond of pickled herring. Yes. Kimchi is fermented. It's the probiotics. Prebiotics. Eat dirt and the world of probiotics is yours to discover. ;) |
HilosPP User ID: 71578729 United States 03/20/2016 07:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I went to church with a guy for a short while who found some pure stuff he got from over seas and swore by. Warded of Alzheimers for him when deterioration first started given small signs. The Silver Singing Saiyan; Israel's Redeemer. Justice found Equals Satan Usurped Shamelessly It's not me, I am not Him Freedom From Fear The Key To Troublesome Peace |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71056566 United States 03/20/2016 07:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Ava9 They use feed for their livestock in Sweden as well. The only difference is that they banned the addition of antibiotics. I heard both the Swedes and Finns eat a lot of fish. I wonder if there is a difference in what types of fish they eat and the amounts. I saw something on imgur the other day where a Finn and Swede were arguing over the best way to eat a specific kind of fish, I don't recall the name of. One mentioned it being eaten 'pickled' the other not. Which recalls of Kimchi and its known beneficial properties for the immune system. Scandanavians are fond of pickled herring. Yes. Kimchi is fermented. It's the probiotics. Prebiotics. Eat dirt and the world of probiotics is yours to discover. ;) Lol :) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71616872 France 03/20/2016 07:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sweden and Chernobyl fallout [link to www.europarl.europa.eu] the previous post dairy farm is typical of swedens dairy market! lol they feed their livestock radioactive grass! lol |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 29092727 Canada 03/20/2016 07:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | seer you think its vitamin deficiency, i think it is vitamin d toxicity! lol Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71616872 You might be right. Looking at the MS map, there does seem to be a correlation between high milk diet and MS rates and distance from the Equator. [link to www.languagesoftheworld.info] Why Finland's MS rate is so much lower than Sweden, is interesting to me and I wonder what the difference in the sunshine levels, in those two countries are. Perhaps looking at the metropolitan areas of Finland/Sweden might give a clue to what the majority of those people experience on a day to day basis. It appears Russians drink the same amount of milk as Canadians but have higher rates of MS. This is confusing. I think I hit a wall. Folks must remember synthetic vitamins are not equal to those we naturally uptake. In many cases causing toxicity and receptor site blockage.. I'7m still waiting for my jetpack and meals in a pill. Yeah. I'm trying to focus on natural sources of vitamin D. Not supplements. So you are saying synthetics can actually do more damage than not taking them? Damn straight. Plus the overabundance of pesticides. Imagine the hardiness and exponential reproduction rate of the pests these pesticides kill and then question the common sense of their use. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 29092727 Canada 03/20/2016 07:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sweden and Chernobyl fallout Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71616872 [link to www.europarl.europa.eu] the previous post dairy farm is typical of swedens dairy market! lol they feed their livestock radioactive grass! lol Now calculate the fallout of between 1800-2200 thermonuclear tests worldwide and realize that we've already survived a nuclear war larger than we are ever bound to experience. |