Godlike Productions - Discussion Forum
Users Online Now: 1,841 (Who's On?)Visitors Today: 451,945
Pageviews Today: 713,549Threads Today: 280Posts Today: 4,371
07:50 AM


Rate this Thread

Absolute BS Crap Reasonable Nice Amazing
 

Mad World

 
Seer777  (OP)
Ride the wings of the mind

User ID: 77248197
United States
02/04/2019 06:48 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Mad World
I just want to know if the entanglement(s) is intentional or IF it just happens.

And if it does..why.
 Quoting: Seer777


I feel it is sometimes both. The more I 'stare' at someone with my mind, the more likely this occurs but not always. Sometimes it is spontaneous with seemingly no connection to relevance.
It happens with people in proximity much easier for me.
 Quoting: C4PO


There is only some of us, that can do it.

Why that is..I am still trying to figure.

Every time I try to ask others here I suspect..they act they have no idea.

Do they not? Or are they hiding? Either way..I don't blame them..


[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
~Seneca
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 77342377
United States
02/04/2019 07:02 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Mad World
I just want to know if the entanglement(s) is intentional or IF it just happens.

And if it does..why.
 Quoting: Seer777


I feel it is sometimes both. The more I 'stare' at someone with my mind, the more likely this occurs but not always. Sometimes it is spontaneous with seemingly no connection to relevance.
It happens with people in proximity much easier for me.
 Quoting: C4PO


There is only some of us, that can do it.

Why that is..I am still trying to figure.

Every time I try to ask others here I suspect..they act they have no idea.

Do they not? Or are they hiding? Either way..I don't blame them..


[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Seer777

I suspect it is rooted in belief. Those who know can do and can recognize. Others will not see what is front of them. This you know.
People fear what they do not understand. Fear what they cant control and to go one step further, I think a lot of people hide themselves behind the masks and just the thought of not having the mask must make them uncomfortable at best.
But I do not really know, I can only share my thoughts.
Seer777  (OP)
Ride the wings of the mind

User ID: 77248197
United States
02/04/2019 07:10 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Mad World
I just want to know if the entanglement(s) is intentional or IF it just happens.

And if it does..why.
 Quoting: Seer777


I feel it is sometimes both. The more I 'stare' at someone with my mind, the more likely this occurs but not always. Sometimes it is spontaneous with seemingly no connection to relevance.
It happens with people in proximity much easier for me.
 Quoting: C4PO


There is only some of us, that can do it.

Why that is..I am still trying to figure.

Every time I try to ask others here I suspect..they act they have no idea.

Do they not? Or are they hiding? Either way..I don't blame them..


[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Seer777

I suspect it is rooted in belief. Those who know can do and can recognize. Others will not see what is front of them. This you know.
People fear what they do not understand. Fear what they cant control and to go one step further, I think a lot of people hide themselves behind the masks and just the thought of not having the mask must make them uncomfortable at best.
But I do not really know, I can only share my thoughts.
 Quoting: C4PO


It is not rooted in belief and fear cares not.

I prayed endlessly to God, to Jesus, the Arch Angels to help me only to find my prayers falling on 'deaf ears'.

Anyone with faith I tried to appeal to, just faulted me for one reason or another.

It was my fault...

I didn't pray right, I didn't love God right. I wasn't faithful enough. I didn't..I did...


I know Hell..and it IS..the absence of God..at your most helpless. Your most desperate hour..moment or time.

Being ignored..

And those that believe..will spit on you..

For whatever reason that solidifies..their beliefs.


[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
~Seneca
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 75106559
United States
02/04/2019 07:23 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Mad World
...


I feel it is sometimes both. The more I 'stare' at someone with my mind, the more likely this occurs but not always. Sometimes it is spontaneous with seemingly no connection to relevance.
It happens with people in proximity much easier for me.
 Quoting: C4PO


There is only some of us, that can do it.

Why that is..I am still trying to figure.

Every time I try to ask others here I suspect..they act they have no idea.

Do they not? Or are they hiding? Either way..I don't blame them..


[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Seer777

I suspect it is rooted in belief. Those who know can do and can recognize. Others will not see what is front of them. This you know.
People fear what they do not understand. Fear what they cant control and to go one step further, I think a lot of people hide themselves behind the masks and just the thought of not having the mask must make them uncomfortable at best.
But I do not really know, I can only share my thoughts.
 Quoting: C4PO


It is not rooted in belief and fear cares not.

I prayed endlessly to God, to Jesus, the Arch Angels to help me only to find my prayers falling on 'deaf ears'.

Anyone with faith I tried to appeal to, just faulted me for one reason or another.

It was my fault...

I didn't pray right, I didn't love God right. I wasn't faithful enough. I didn't..I did...


I know Hell..and it IS..the absence of God..at your most helpless. Your most desperate hour..moment or time.

Being ignored..

And those that believe..will spit on you..

For whatever reason that solidifies..their beliefs.


[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Seer777


this was always my main point of contention with you.

I was never able to break through in this regard
Seer777  (OP)
Ride the wings of the mind

User ID: 77248197
United States
02/04/2019 07:24 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Mad World
...


There is only some of us, that can do it.

Why that is..I am still trying to figure.

Every time I try to ask others here I suspect..they act they have no idea.

Do they not? Or are they hiding? Either way..I don't blame them..


[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Seer777

I suspect it is rooted in belief. Those who know can do and can recognize. Others will not see what is front of them. This you know.
People fear what they do not understand. Fear what they cant control and to go one step further, I think a lot of people hide themselves behind the masks and just the thought of not having the mask must make them uncomfortable at best.
But I do not really know, I can only share my thoughts.
 Quoting: C4PO


It is not rooted in belief and fear cares not.

I prayed endlessly to God, to Jesus, the Arch Angels to help me only to find my prayers falling on 'deaf ears'.

Anyone with faith I tried to appeal to, just faulted me for one reason or another.

It was my fault...

I didn't pray right, I didn't love God right. I wasn't faithful enough. I didn't..I did...


I know Hell..and it IS..the absence of God..at your most helpless. Your most desperate hour..moment or time.

Being ignored..

And those that believe..will spit on you..

For whatever reason that solidifies..their beliefs.


[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Seer777


this was always my main point of contention with you.

I was never able to break through in this regard
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75106559


I know..

Tell me how to see it right.

I don't know how.
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
~Seneca
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 75106559
United States
02/04/2019 07:27 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Mad World
...

I suspect it is rooted in belief. Those who know can do and can recognize. Others will not see what is front of them. This you know.
People fear what they do not understand. Fear what they cant control and to go one step further, I think a lot of people hide themselves behind the masks and just the thought of not having the mask must make them uncomfortable at best.
But I do not really know, I can only share my thoughts.
 Quoting: C4PO


It is not rooted in belief and fear cares not.

I prayed endlessly to God, to Jesus, the Arch Angels to help me only to find my prayers falling on 'deaf ears'.

Anyone with faith I tried to appeal to, just faulted me for one reason or another.

It was my fault...

I didn't pray right, I didn't love God right. I wasn't faithful enough. I didn't..I did...


I know Hell..and it IS..the absence of God..at your most helpless. Your most desperate hour..moment or time.

Being ignored..

And those that believe..will spit on you..

For whatever reason that solidifies..their beliefs.


[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Seer777


this was always my main point of contention with you.

I was never able to break through in this regard
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75106559


I know..

Tell me how to see it right.

I don't know how.
 Quoting: Seer777


unconditional love in despair is faith.
Seer777  (OP)
Ride the wings of the mind

User ID: 77248197
United States
02/04/2019 07:29 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Mad World
this was always my main point of contention with you.

I was never able to break through in this regard
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75106559


I know..

Tell me how to see it right.

I don't know how.
 Quoting: Seer777


unconditional love in despair is faith.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75106559


Is that what God wants?

Faith in despair?
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
~Seneca
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 77342377
United States
02/04/2019 07:30 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Mad World
...


I feel it is sometimes both. The more I 'stare' at someone with my mind, the more likely this occurs but not always. Sometimes it is spontaneous with seemingly no connection to relevance.
It happens with people in proximity much easier for me.
 Quoting: C4PO


There is only some of us, that can do it.

Why that is..I am still trying to figure.

Every time I try to ask others here I suspect..they act they have no idea.

Do they not? Or are they hiding? Either way..I don't blame them..


[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Seer777

I suspect it is rooted in belief. Those who know can do and can recognize. Others will not see what is front of them. This you know.
People fear what they do not understand. Fear what they cant control and to go one step further, I think a lot of people hide themselves behind the masks and just the thought of not having the mask must make them uncomfortable at best.
But I do not really know, I can only share my thoughts.
 Quoting: C4PO


It is not rooted in belief and fear cares not.

I prayed endlessly to God, to Jesus, the Arch Angels to help me only to find my prayers falling on 'deaf ears'.

Anyone with faith I tried to appeal to, just faulted me for one reason or another.

It was my fault...

I didn't pray right, I didn't love God right. I wasn't faithful enough. I didn't..I did...


I know Hell..and it IS..the absence of God..at your most helpless. Your most desperate hour..moment or time.

Being ignored..

And those that believe..will spit on you..

For whatever reason that solidifies..their beliefs.


[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Seer777


What were you expecting from your prayers?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 75106559
United States
02/04/2019 07:31 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Mad World
...


It is not rooted in belief and fear cares not.

I prayed endlessly to God, to Jesus, the Arch Angels to help me only to find my prayers falling on 'deaf ears'.

Anyone with faith I tried to appeal to, just faulted me for one reason or another.

It was my fault...

I didn't pray right, I didn't love God right. I wasn't faithful enough. I didn't..I did...


I know Hell..and it IS..the absence of God..at your most helpless. Your most desperate hour..moment or time.

Being ignored..

And those that believe..will spit on you..

For whatever reason that solidifies..their beliefs.


[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Seer777


this was always my main point of contention with you.

I was never able to break through in this regard
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75106559


I know..

Tell me how to see it right.

I don't know how.
 Quoting: Seer777


unconditional love in despair is faith.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75106559


or having faith in unconditional love,.

unconditional love at any level is redeeming
Seer777  (OP)
Ride the wings of the mind

User ID: 77248197
United States
02/04/2019 07:32 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Mad World
There is only some of us, that can do it.

Why that is..I am still trying to figure.

Every time I try to ask others here I suspect..they act they have no idea.

Do they not? Or are they hiding? Either way..I don't blame them..


[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Seer777

I suspect it is rooted in belief. Those who know can do and can recognize. Others will not see what is front of them. This you know.
People fear what they do not understand. Fear what they cant control and to go one step further, I think a lot of people hide themselves behind the masks and just the thought of not having the mask must make them uncomfortable at best.
But I do not really know, I can only share my thoughts.
 Quoting: C4PO


It is not rooted in belief and fear cares not.

I prayed endlessly to God, to Jesus, the Arch Angels to help me only to find my prayers falling on 'deaf ears'.

Anyone with faith I tried to appeal to, just faulted me for one reason or another.

It was my fault...

I didn't pray right, I didn't love God right. I wasn't faithful enough. I didn't..I did...


I know Hell..and it IS..the absence of God..at your most helpless. Your most desperate hour..moment or time.

Being ignored..

And those that believe..will spit on you..

For whatever reason that solidifies..their beliefs.


[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Seer777


What were you expecting from your prayers?
 Quoting: C4PO


I wanted it to stop.

All of it. This world wasn't made for this.

No one would believe. And those that know..remain silent.
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
~Seneca
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 75106559
United States
02/04/2019 07:35 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Mad World
this was always my main point of contention with you.

I was never able to break through in this regard
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75106559


I know..

Tell me how to see it right.

I don't know how.
 Quoting: Seer777


unconditional love in despair is faith.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75106559


Is that what God wants?

Faith in despair?
 Quoting: Seer777


unconditional love, even as you do despair.

Christ despaired.
Seer777  (OP)
Ride the wings of the mind

User ID: 77248197
United States
02/04/2019 07:39 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Mad World
...


I know..

Tell me how to see it right.

I don't know how.
 Quoting: Seer777


unconditional love in despair is faith.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75106559


Is that what God wants?

Faith in despair?
 Quoting: Seer777


unconditional love, even as you do despair.

Christ despaired.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75106559


Why does God test his chosen though torture?
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
~Seneca
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 75106559
United States
02/04/2019 07:40 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Mad World
...


I know..

Tell me how to see it right.

I don't know how.
 Quoting: Seer777


unconditional love in despair is faith.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75106559


Is that what God wants?

Faith in despair?
 Quoting: Seer777


unconditional love, even as you do despair.

Christ despaired.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75106559


how do you reconcile unconditional love with despair?

it seems to be something which is unique to a very few.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 75106559
United States
02/04/2019 07:45 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Mad World
...


unconditional love in despair is faith.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75106559


Is that what God wants?

Faith in despair?
 Quoting: Seer777


unconditional love, even as you do despair.

Christ despaired.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75106559


Why does God test his chosen though torture?
 Quoting: Seer777


the simple answer is that few are capable of an unconditional love. the dichotomy with despair is the full
circle, or for your own analogy the hero's journey.
Seer777  (OP)
Ride the wings of the mind

User ID: 77248197
United States
02/04/2019 07:48 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Mad World
...


unconditional love in despair is faith.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75106559


Is that what God wants?

Faith in despair?
 Quoting: Seer777


unconditional love, even as you do despair.

Christ despaired.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75106559


how do you reconcile unconditional love with despair?

it seems to be something which is unique to a very few.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75106559


One time I heard Slumdog Millionaire was a great movie..

What I didn't know...

Was what I was about to see.


Little kids having their eyes purposely burned out..

Is there a God that allows that?
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
~Seneca
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 75106559
United States
02/04/2019 07:50 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Mad World
...


Is that what God wants?

Faith in despair?
 Quoting: Seer777


unconditional love, even as you do despair.

Christ despaired.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75106559


how do you reconcile unconditional love with despair?

it seems to be something which is unique to a very few.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75106559


One time I heard Slumdog Millionaire was a great movie..

What I didn't know...

Was what I was about to see.


Little kids having their eyes purposely burned out..

Is there a God that allows that?
 Quoting: Seer777


evil allows this. is the hero's journey an evil one? righteous one
Seer777  (OP)
Ride the wings of the mind

User ID: 77248197
United States
02/04/2019 07:55 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Mad World
One time I heard Slumdog Millionaire was a great movie..

What I didn't know...

Was what I was about to see.


Little kids having their eyes purposely burned out..

Is there a God that allows that?
 Quoting: Seer777


evil allows this. is the hero's journey an evil one? righteous one
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75106559


They say the hero dies..or lives long enough to see themselves become the villain.

At least my tears have dried.

For now.


[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
~Seneca
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 75106559
United States
02/04/2019 07:59 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Mad World
One time I heard Slumdog Millionaire was a great movie..

What I didn't know...

Was what I was about to see.


Little kids having their eyes purposely burned out..

Is there a God that allows that?
 Quoting: Seer777


evil allows this. is the hero's journey an evil one? righteous one
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75106559


They say the hero dies..or lives long enough to see themselves become the villain.

At least my tears have dried.

For now.


[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Seer777


the hero accepts any outcome for an intention they deem truly worthy of the sacrifice.
Seer777  (OP)
Ride the wings of the mind

User ID: 77248197
United States
02/04/2019 08:02 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Mad World
One time I heard Slumdog Millionaire was a great movie..

What I didn't know...

Was what I was about to see.


Little kids having their eyes purposely burned out..

Is there a God that allows that?
 Quoting: Seer777


evil allows this. is the hero's journey an evil one? righteous one
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75106559


They say the hero dies..or lives long enough to see themselves become the villain.

At least my tears have dried.

For now.


[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Seer777


the hero accepts any outcome for an intention they deem truly worthy of the sacrifice.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75106559


OIC..


[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
~Seneca
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 77342377
United States
02/04/2019 08:03 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Mad World
...

I suspect it is rooted in belief. Those who know can do and can recognize. Others will not see what is front of them. This you know.
People fear what they do not understand. Fear what they cant control and to go one step further, I think a lot of people hide themselves behind the masks and just the thought of not having the mask must make them uncomfortable at best.
But I do not really know, I can only share my thoughts.
 Quoting: C4PO


It is not rooted in belief and fear cares not.

I prayed endlessly to God, to Jesus, the Arch Angels to help me only to find my prayers falling on 'deaf ears'.

Anyone with faith I tried to appeal to, just faulted me for one reason or another.

It was my fault...

I didn't pray right, I didn't love God right. I wasn't faithful enough. I didn't..I did...


I know Hell..and it IS..the absence of God..at your most helpless. Your most desperate hour..moment or time.

Being ignored..

And those that believe..will spit on you..

For whatever reason that solidifies..their beliefs.


[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Seer777


What were you expecting from your prayers?
 Quoting: C4PO


I wanted it to stop.

All of it. This world wasn't made for this.

No one would believe. And those that know..remain silent.
 Quoting: Seer777


The world was not made for you.
Or maybe it was.
Seer777  (OP)
Ride the wings of the mind

User ID: 77248197
United States
02/04/2019 08:22 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Mad World

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
~Seneca
Seer777  (OP)
Ride the wings of the mind

User ID: 77248197
United States
02/04/2019 08:28 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Mad World
I know you miss him..but it's too dangerous..


[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
~Seneca
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 75106559
United States
02/04/2019 09:01 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Mad World


lol
Seer777  (OP)
Ride the wings of the mind

User ID: 77248197
United States
02/05/2019 04:20 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Mad World
Now that my dreams are back..I'm not sure I want them back.

What a drag..


[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
~Seneca
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 75106559
United States
02/05/2019 04:25 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Mad World
Now that my dreams are back..I'm not sure I want them back.

What a drag..


[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Seer777


you have to distinguish BETWEEN dreams. some are your own, some are invasive dreams
Seer777  (OP)
Ride the wings of the mind

User ID: 77248197
United States
02/05/2019 04:31 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Mad World
Now that my dreams are back..I'm not sure I want them back.

What a drag..


[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Seer777


you have to distinguish BETWEEN dreams. some are your own, some are invasive dreams
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75106559


Yeah well..it kinda set the tone for my entire morning. Being lined up against a wall with a bunch of other people and being shot..right in the head. I lasted long enough to see the bodies of everyone else around me.

Lots of running and hiding in some dystopian nightmare of a neighborhood..it sucked.

Some bizarre hot tub scene. 1dunno1

Dreams are weird. Never much enjoyed them.
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
~Seneca
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 75106559
United States
02/05/2019 04:37 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Mad World
Now that my dreams are back..I'm not sure I want them back.

What a drag..


[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Seer777


you have to distinguish BETWEEN dreams. some are your own, some are invasive dreams
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75106559


Yeah well..it kinda set the tone for my entire morning. Being lined up against a wall with a bunch of other people and being shot..right in the head. I lasted long enough to see the bodies of everyone else around me.

Lots of running and hiding in some dystopian nightmare of a neighborhood..it sucked.

Some bizarre hot tub scene. 1dunno1

Dreams are weird. Never much enjoyed them.
 Quoting: Seer777


dreams are the venue to our fears, to overcome your fears you have to confront them. confronting your fears in dreams spills over into your waking reality.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 75106559
United States
02/05/2019 04:38 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Mad World
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 75106559
United States
02/05/2019 04:39 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Mad World
cycling through cranberries songs!
Seer777  (OP)
Ride the wings of the mind

User ID: 77248197
United States
02/05/2019 04:43 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Mad World
Yeah well..it kinda set the tone for my entire morning. Being lined up against a wall with a bunch of other people and being shot..right in the head. I lasted long enough to see the bodies of everyone else around me.

Lots of running and hiding in some dystopian nightmare of a neighborhood..it sucked.

Some bizarre hot tub scene. 1dunno1

Dreams are weird. Never much enjoyed them.
 Quoting: Seer777


dreams are the venue to our fears, to overcome your fears you have to confront them. confronting your fears in dreams spills over into your waking reality.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75106559


Yeah. I tried doing that all morning..

I still have the post typed up and ready to 'post'..but..it must not be the right time..being I couldn't force myself to post it.

Guess it will continue to burn as that little flame of rage I continue to try to put out.

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
~Seneca





GLP