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Anyone who was a naysaying little bitch in threads like these:
Thread: THIS SCIENTIFICALLY EXPLAINS HOW A BROWN DWARF STAR CALLED NIBIRU EXISTS In OUR SOLAR SYSTEM

Will owe a pile of apologies if this turns out to be true
Thread: A Potential "Planet X" Discovered by ALMA

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i detect sarcastic butthurt in your op, OP.
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i detect sarcastic butthurt in your op, OP.
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stfu
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Anyone who was a naysaying little bitch in threads like these:
Thread: THIS SCIENTIFICALLY EXPLAINS HOW A BROWN DWARF STAR CALLED NIBIRU EXISTS In OUR SOLAR SYSTEM

Will owe a pile of apologies if this turns out to be true
Thread: A Potential "Planet X" Discovered by ALMA

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braggin' rights eh?

lol
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sniff sniff..
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It's already been found. noob.

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Shut up nibiru-tard. It does not exist. Dumbass.
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What´s so speshul about it?
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What´s so speshul about it?
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It has electrolytes
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Anyone who was a naysaying little bitch in threads like these:
Thread: THIS SCIENTIFICALLY EXPLAINS HOW A BROWN DWARF STAR CALLED NIBIRU EXISTS In OUR SOLAR SYSTEM

Will owe a pile of apologies if this turns out to be true
Thread: A Potential "Planet X" Discovered by ALMA

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Oh really? Threads like these:
Thread: THIS SCIENTIFICALLY EXPLAINS HOW A BROWN DWARF STAR CALLED NIBIRU EXISTS In OUR SOLAR SYSTEM
Are not validated by stories like these:
Thread: A Potential "Planet X" Discovered by ALMA
A brown dwarf at Oort cloud distances does not equal "Nibiru." Nibiru is supposed to be in a 3600 year elliptical orbit which brings it within the inner solar system at perihelion. At such close distances it would be plainly obvious even to amateur telescopes.

Also, claiming that brown dwarfs are categorically "only visible in infrared" is wrong, and so is claiming that you cannot purchase a telescope capable of recording celestial objects in infrared.
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Oh look, the infrared bright star CW Leonis recorded in infrared just fine by my telescope.

Now, the potential discovery in this case involving what might be a brown dwarf at Oort cloud distances was not even detected in infrared. Let me repeat that; the potential discovery in this case involving what might be a brown dwarf at Oort cloud distances was not even detected in infrared. But the thread you linked to claimed that brown dwarfs could ONLY be seen in infrared.
This is because Brown Dwarfs are only visible in the infrared spectrum:
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Wrong. In this case the object in question was discovered with an array of radio telescopes searching in the millimeter/submillimeter portion of the EM spectrum. A brown dwarf so close as to be in a 3600 year orbit would also reflect a large amount of sunlight, large enough to be plainly visible to amateur telescopes.

How do we know this? Because the orbital period of an object is directly proportional to its semi-major axis. An orbital period of 3600 years corresponds to a semi-major axis of about 235 AU. For an elliptical orbit that brings Nibiru as close to the sun as earth, that equates to an eccentricity of about 0.9957 and an aphelion distance of about 469 AU. That's orders of magnitude closer than the Oort cloud distances this potential brown dwarf discovery would be at (20,000 AU). Furthermore, a brown dwarf's reflectivity is very similar to either Jupiter or Uranus depending on the presence or absence of clouds ( [link to arxiv.org] ). Given that fact, here's the formula for computing the apparent magnitude of a Jupiter-like body at a given distance from the sun, from "Photometry and colorimetry of planets and satellites" by Daniel Harris, using Harris' number for V(1,0):
Apparent magnitude = -9.39+5*log(distance from sun*distance from earth)
Plugging in the distance for "Nibiru" at aphelion (469 AU) we get about magnitude 17.3 - and that's if it's as far from the sun as it can get, to say nothing of how bright it would be if it were near the inner solar system and approaching perihelion. Asteroids are routinely discovered at magnitudes much dimmer than that, and even most comets (which are harder to see for a given magnitude since the light is spread out over a larger area) are discovered even by amateurs are magnitudes dimmer than that. C/2015 X4 Elenin is a perfect example of exactly that ( [link to www.minorplanetcenter.net] ). Nibiru, if it existed, would be entirely visible to amateur telescopes. The newly discovered object near Alpha Centauri, if it's really a brown dwarf, is nowhere close to matching the description of "Nibiru."

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Wow. What a wonderful vindication. In the face of a world devastating passing celestial object, you get to say, "I told you so.". I guess you can't wait for millions to die so that you can be proven correct.
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Anyone who was a naysaying little bitch in threads like these:
Thread: THIS SCIENTIFICALLY EXPLAINS HOW A BROWN DWARF STAR CALLED NIBIRU EXISTS In OUR SOLAR SYSTEM

Will owe a pile of apologies if this turns out to be true
Thread: A Potential "Planet X" Discovered by ALMA

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This never will happen OP, Nibiru or planetX is a HOAX
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And wait now you can BUY the DVD about Planet7x, DVD? yes a DVD, see? it's just about selling fear and doom-porn

Now fuck you OP
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And wait now you can BUY the DVD about Planet7x, DVD? yes a DVD, see? it's just about selling fear and doom-porn

Now fuck you OP
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Wow, you actually weren't kidding about that. I didn't hear that news but then I googled it. Sure enough, it's now available as a ridiculously expensive DVD.
[link to www.planet7x.net]
I won't even pay that much for blu-ray discs these days.
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Planet X has been 'lurking' in the inner solar system since December 2003 and the mighty zetas have been 'simulating the seasons' ever since!

See Nancy L at the ning for the latest updates!
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chuckle

Love the Title OP

and no shit. Truly.

I was quite interested that the object recently discovered in the OORT Cloud area is not visible in the infrared spectrum.

And it is speculation it is a brown dwarf.

This is quite interesting.

Now - does a brown dwarf have planets orbiting it?

And if so - how far do they come in to our solar system?

I would say the asteroid belt would be a good start.


Here is the part I think we should be focusing on. Having been a fan of ancient writings myself. If something was traveling as a binary to our sun, (most suns are at least binary), then it would be traveling into the OORT - not circling around it.

So....does this perturb the OORT objects. This would explain the findings of larger numbers of meteors and comets. And the fact that every planet and moon in our solar system is just pummeled with craters.

Several indigenous societies (ancient) have stories of cataclysms. And the Earth herself shows a record. Fire and brimstone....sounds like comets and asteroids to me.

Just sayin.

All specualtion and opinions. Even if people have papers or letters in front of their names.

;-)

edit: proper verbiage.

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Anyone who was a naysaying little bitch in threads like these:
Thread: THIS SCIENTIFICALLY EXPLAINS HOW A BROWN DWARF STAR CALLED NIBIRU EXISTS In OUR SOLAR SYSTEM

Will owe a pile of apologies if this turns out to be true
Thread: A Potential "Planet X" Discovered by ALMA

granny
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Oh really? Threads like these:
Thread: THIS SCIENTIFICALLY EXPLAINS HOW A BROWN DWARF STAR CALLED NIBIRU EXISTS In OUR SOLAR SYSTEM
Are not validated by stories like these:
Thread: A Potential "Planet X" Discovered by ALMA
A brown dwarf at Oort cloud distances does not equal "Nibiru." Nibiru is supposed to be in a 3600 year elliptical orbit which brings it within the inner solar system at perihelion. At such close distances it would be plainly obvious even to amateur telescopes.

Also, claiming that brown dwarfs are categorically "only visible in infrared" is wrong, and so is claiming that you cannot purchase a telescope capable of recording celestial objects in infrared.
Cwleo2
Oh look, the infrared bright star CW Leonis recorded in infrared just fine by my telescope.

Now, the potential discovery in this case involving what might be a brown dwarf at Oort cloud distances was not even detected in infrared. Let me repeat that; the potential discovery in this case involving what might be a brown dwarf at Oort cloud distances was not even detected in infrared. But the thread you linked to claimed that brown dwarfs could ONLY be seen in infrared.
This is because Brown Dwarfs are only visible in the infrared spectrum:
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46391492

Wrong. In this case the object in question was discovered with an array of radio telescopes searching in the millimeter/submillimeter portion of the EM spectrum. A brown dwarf so close as to be in a 3600 year orbit would also reflect a large amount of sunlight, large enough to be plainly visible to amateur telescopes.

How do we know this? Because the orbital period of an object is directly proportional to its semi-major axis. An orbital period of 3600 years corresponds to a semi-major axis of about 235 AU. For an elliptical orbit that brings Nibiru as close to the sun as earth, that equates to an eccentricity of about 0.9957 and an aphelion distance of about 469 AU. That's orders of magnitude closer than the Oort cloud distances this potential brown dwarf discovery would be at (20,000 AU). Furthermore, a brown dwarf's reflectivity is very similar to either Jupiter or Uranus depending on the presence or absence of clouds ( [link to arxiv.org] ). Given that fact, here's the formula for computing the apparent magnitude of a Jupiter-like body at a given distance from the sun, from "Photometry and colorimetry of planets and satellites" by Daniel Harris, using Harris' number for V(1,0):
Apparent magnitude = -9.39+5*log(distance from sun*distance from earth)
Plugging in the distance for "Nibiru" at aphelion (469 AU) we get about magnitude 17.3 - and that's if it's as far from the sun as it can get, to say nothing of how bright it would be if it were near the inner solar system and approaching perihelion. Asteroids are routinely discovered at magnitudes much dimmer than that, and even most comets (which are harder to see for a given magnitude since the light is spread out over a larger area) are discovered even by amateurs are magnitudes dimmer than that. C/2015 X4 Elenin is a perfect example of exactly that ( [link to www.minorplanetcenter.net] ). Nibiru, if it existed, would be entirely visible to amateur telescopes. The newly discovered object near Alpha Centauri, if it's really a brown dwarf, is nowhere close to matching the description of "Nibiru."
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Re: WE EXPECT FULL, SINCERE AND HUMILIATING APOLOGIES If THE BROWN DWARF NIBIRU IS DISCOVERED
Anyone who was a naysaying little bitch in threads like these:
Thread: THIS SCIENTIFICALLY EXPLAINS HOW A BROWN DWARF STAR CALLED NIBIRU EXISTS In OUR SOLAR SYSTEM

Will owe a pile of apologies if this turns out to be true
Thread: A Potential "Planet X" Discovered by ALMA

granny
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Oh really? Threads like these:
Thread: THIS SCIENTIFICALLY EXPLAINS HOW A BROWN DWARF STAR CALLED NIBIRU EXISTS In OUR SOLAR SYSTEM
Are not validated by stories like these:
Thread: A Potential "Planet X" Discovered by ALMA
A brown dwarf at Oort cloud distances does not equal "Nibiru." Nibiru is supposed to be in a 3600 year elliptical orbit which brings it within the inner solar system at perihelion. At such close distances it would be plainly obvious even to amateur telescopes.

Also, claiming that brown dwarfs are categorically "only visible in infrared" is wrong, and so is claiming that you cannot purchase a telescope capable of recording celestial objects in infrared.
Cwleo2
Oh look, the infrared bright star CW Leonis recorded in infrared just fine by my telescope.

Now, the potential discovery in this case involving what might be a brown dwarf at Oort cloud distances was not even detected in infrared. Let me repeat that; the potential discovery in this case involving what might be a brown dwarf at Oort cloud distances was not even detected in infrared. But the thread you linked to claimed that brown dwarfs could ONLY be seen in infrared.
This is because Brown Dwarfs are only visible in the infrared spectrum:
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46391492

Wrong. In this case the object in question was discovered with an array of radio telescopes searching in the millimeter/submillimeter portion of the EM spectrum. A brown dwarf so close as to be in a 3600 year orbit would also reflect a large amount of sunlight, large enough to be plainly visible to amateur telescopes.

How do we know this? Because the orbital period of an object is directly proportional to its semi-major axis. An orbital period of 3600 years corresponds to a semi-major axis of about 235 AU. For an elliptical orbit that brings Nibiru as close to the sun as earth, that equates to an eccentricity of about 0.9957 and an aphelion distance of about 469 AU. That's orders of magnitude closer than the Oort cloud distances this potential brown dwarf discovery would be at (20,000 AU). Furthermore, a brown dwarf's reflectivity is very similar to either Jupiter or Uranus depending on the presence or absence of clouds ( [link to arxiv.org] ). Given that fact, here's the formula for computing the apparent magnitude of a Jupiter-like body at a given distance from the sun, from "Photometry and colorimetry of planets and satellites" by Daniel Harris, using Harris' number for V(1,0):
Apparent magnitude = -9.39+5*log(distance from sun*distance from earth)
Plugging in the distance for "Nibiru" at aphelion (469 AU) we get about magnitude 17.3 - and that's if it's as far from the sun as it can get, to say nothing of how bright it would be if it were near the inner solar system and approaching perihelion. Asteroids are routinely discovered at magnitudes much dimmer than that, and even most comets (which are harder to see for a given magnitude since the light is spread out over a larger area) are discovered even by amateurs are magnitudes dimmer than that. C/2015 X4 Elenin is a perfect example of exactly that ( [link to www.minorplanetcenter.net] ). Nibiru, if it existed, would be entirely visible to amateur telescopes. The newly discovered object near Alpha Centauri, if it's really a brown dwarf, is nowhere close to matching the description of "Nibiru."
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Stop with the bullshit, Astro.

They've known about it since around the time Ferrera hypothesized it.

from 2012: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

Just be fucking honest for once.
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You mean Ferrada? Ferrada was clueless and his own claims were self-contradictory. The Carlos Ferrada "documentary" is a joke filled with made up BS; "Carlos Ferrada" was not the first to calculate the trajectory comet Halley would take through the solar system. Edmond Halley was, you know, the guy it's named for? This guy's clearly old when the documentary was made, but he ain't that old.

The documentary also claims Halley's comet suddenly moved towards the sun at perihelion on February 12, 1996. The comet actually passed perihelion on February 9th, 1986, and was not observable at that time since it was too close to the sun (in fact it went behind the sun from earth's perspective). Ok so I'll be nice and assume the decade being off was just bad translation from Spanish to English, but the comet was not observed again until February 15th, 1986. So how in the hell would he know if it did something strange on February 9th or 12th? I did my own calculation of the orbit from the 1986 apparition using just the observational data from that apparition up to the end of January 1986. Guess what? It agrees with the observational data on February 15th to within a few arcseconds, so it definitely did not "get ahead 36 hours in its orbit and spend more time near the sun" nor did it go some 2 million km closer to the sun than predicted by the "mainstream science orbit."
[link to dropcanvas.com]
All observations marked with an X were excluded from calculating the orbit, but as you can see the residuals from February are still measured in single digit arcseconds, orders of magnitude lower than would be the case if the comet were ahead of its position in orbit by 36 hours.

My calculations of the orbit based on all the observational data up to the end of January agree with the official distance of 87.8 million km and that orbit calculation agrees with the observational data even after perihelion, which it shouldn't according to this "astronomer" since it "got ahead of its orbit by 36 hours."
[link to dropcanvas.com]

They then claim that "Hercolubus" is coming for us at "three speeds." LOL! Wow, so this guy doesn't even understand basic orbital mechanics or how planets and comets move in orbits and continuously change in speed in elliptical orbits. Or the fact that they travel FASTER when at periapsis, not slower. But ok, let's go with his numbers for a second. He claims it orbits between the sun and a "dead star" (probably playing off people's ignorance thinking a highly eccentric requires masses at both foci instead of only one) and that the distance of the dead star from us is 32 billion km. He says the velocity of this object magically INCREASES when it's between the "dead star" and our sun to 300 km/s. At that rate it would complete the journey between the "dead star" and our sun in... 3.38 years. Even at the slowest quoted speed of 76 km/s which is the speed it supposedly has at perihelion with our sun before it accelerates again on its way back to the dead star, it would get here in 13.3 years... And that's if it maintains the slowest speed he says it goes!!!!! Seriously, did you not do the math on this AT ALL? It's not even self-consistent with his claim that it's some object that hasn't been in the inner solar system for a very long time! It falls apart due to its own contradictions. This is easily proven to be false, it's not even a theory, it's just plain wrong!

By the way, if you bother to look at the newspaper headline they show when they claim he predicted the January 24, 1939 earthquake, this is what it actually says:
la ruta aerea a magallanes y los cambios de tiempo
par carlos munoz ferrada, piloto de la marina mercante
Roughly translated:
"aerial route to strait of magellan and time changes"
"By carlos munoz ferrada, pilot of the merchant marine"

What the hell does that have to do with an "earthquake prediction?" It proves he wrote an article published in the newspaper just a few days before the earthquake hit, but it doesn't appear that the article is about predicting an earthquake at all. It was about navigating the Strait of Magellan!

I should also point out that the lies and myths about this guy go beyond this documentary. Not sure if he invented this "qualifications" himself or if someone else did it for him, but in any case it's all bullshit:
"He specialized in the Astronomical Society of Paris. He was a leading member of the Astronomical Society of Gijón and the Astronomical Society of Milan and was director of the Astronomical Observatory of Panama for five years."
[link to www.vopus.org]

I can't find a trace of these so-called societies, I'd be glad if someone could post links to them... The Astronomical Observatory of Panama does exist however... it opened in 2011, 10 years after this old guy kicked the bucket in 2001.
[link to www.panama-guide.com]
So do they have a corpse for a director? (Dr. Rodney Delgado Serrano is the director, not "Carlos Ferrada").

Now, as for the CNN clip you posted, it refers to some of the earlier hypothetical work about a brown dwarf at Oort cloud distances occasionally disturbing comets, which was followed up later by work looking at the arguments of perihelion of extreme trans-neptunian objects, all of which hints at a massive object far beyond the inner solar system. Again, this is NOT compatible with Nibiru claims about a brown dwarf in a 3600 year orbit. I am telling the truth.
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Anyone who was a naysaying little bitch in threads like these:
Thread: THIS SCIENTIFICALLY EXPLAINS HOW A BROWN DWARF STAR CALLED NIBIRU EXISTS In OUR SOLAR SYSTEM

Will owe a pile of apologies if this turns out to be true
Thread: A Potential "Planet X" Discovered by ALMA

granny
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Oh really? Threads like these:
Thread: THIS SCIENTIFICALLY EXPLAINS HOW A BROWN DWARF STAR CALLED NIBIRU EXISTS In OUR SOLAR SYSTEM
Are not validated by stories like these:
Thread: A Potential "Planet X" Discovered by ALMA
A brown dwarf at Oort cloud distances does not equal "Nibiru." Nibiru is supposed to be in a 3600 year elliptical orbit which brings it within the inner solar system at perihelion. At such close distances it would be plainly obvious even to amateur telescopes.

Also, claiming that brown dwarfs are categorically "only visible in infrared" is wrong, and so is claiming that you cannot purchase a telescope capable of recording celestial objects in infrared.
Cwleo2
Oh look, the infrared bright star CW Leonis recorded in infrared just fine by my telescope.

Now, the potential discovery in this case involving what might be a brown dwarf at Oort cloud distances was not even detected in infrared. Let me repeat that; the potential discovery in this case involving what might be a brown dwarf at Oort cloud distances was not even detected in infrared. But the thread you linked to claimed that brown dwarfs could ONLY be seen in infrared.
This is because Brown Dwarfs are only visible in the infrared spectrum:
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46391492

Wrong. In this case the object in question was discovered with an array of radio telescopes searching in the millimeter/submillimeter portion of the EM spectrum. A brown dwarf so close as to be in a 3600 year orbit would also reflect a large amount of sunlight, large enough to be plainly visible to amateur telescopes.

How do we know this? Because the orbital period of an object is directly proportional to its semi-major axis. An orbital period of 3600 years corresponds to a semi-major axis of about 235 AU. For an elliptical orbit that brings Nibiru as close to the sun as earth, that equates to an eccentricity of about 0.9957 and an aphelion distance of about 469 AU. That's orders of magnitude closer than the Oort cloud distances this potential brown dwarf discovery would be at (20,000 AU). Furthermore, a brown dwarf's reflectivity is very similar to either Jupiter or Uranus depending on the presence or absence of clouds ( [link to arxiv.org] ). Given that fact, here's the formula for computing the apparent magnitude of a Jupiter-like body at a given distance from the sun, from "Photometry and colorimetry of planets and satellites" by Daniel Harris, using Harris' number for V(1,0):
Apparent magnitude = -9.39+5*log(distance from sun*distance from earth)
Plugging in the distance for "Nibiru" at aphelion (469 AU) we get about magnitude 17.3 - and that's if it's as far from the sun as it can get, to say nothing of how bright it would be if it were near the inner solar system and approaching perihelion. Asteroids are routinely discovered at magnitudes much dimmer than that, and even most comets (which are harder to see for a given magnitude since the light is spread out over a larger area) are discovered even by amateurs are magnitudes dimmer than that. C/2015 X4 Elenin is a perfect example of exactly that ( [link to www.minorplanetcenter.net] ). Nibiru, if it existed, would be entirely visible to amateur telescopes. The newly discovered object near Alpha Centauri, if it's really a brown dwarf, is nowhere close to matching the description of "Nibiru."
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Stop with the bullshit, Astro.

They've known about it since around the time Ferrera hypothesized it.

from 2012: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

Just be fucking honest for once.
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LMFAO so some random nobody makes some random prediction and that all of a sudden constitutes fact. You are DEFINITELY a BORN and BRED American....
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The earth is flat ya dick.
Aint no brown dwarf coming in.
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The earth is flat ya dick.
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So is this 1983 Washington Post a fraud or in error, just BS. Seems if this is true it would be on us before we could detect. Would not expect any amateur watches to be able to cool their equipment to absolute zero.

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Anyone who was a naysaying little bitch in threads like these:
Thread: THIS SCIENTIFICALLY EXPLAINS HOW A BROWN DWARF STAR CALLED NIBIRU EXISTS In OUR SOLAR SYSTEM

Will owe a pile of apologies if this turns out to be true
Thread: A Potential "Planet X" Discovered by ALMA

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Still no proof we don't owe you a Planet X tards a fucking thing.
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So is this 1983 Washington Post a fraud or in error, just BS.
 Quoting: dapossum

How many times do we have to go over this? How many times?
...


Why this then?


[link to planet-x.150m.com]

Dr. Astro, I have always admired your expertise, but I have seen the article, with the photos. How do you explain that?
 Quoting: Esoterica


How dare you question the word of Astrojesus!

banbutton

banhim5
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L M A O
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69574646

I'm not going to ban anyone for asking a question, but I do ask that you read the answer.
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No, they didn't.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Why this then?


[link to planet-x.150m.com]

Dr. Astro, I have always admired your expertise, but I have seen the article, with the photos. How do you explain that?
 Quoting: Esoterica


Please quote from the article where it says "NASA’s IRAS infrared telescope discovered an unbelievably huge, massive, what looked like a slowly burning star, a big object, headed right toward our solar system from the region of Orion." That is not what the article says.
"So mysterious is the object that astronomers do not know if it is a planet, a giant comet, a
nearby "protostar" that never got hot enough to become a star, a distant galaxy so young that
it is still in the process of forming its first stars or a galaxy so shrouded in dust that none of the
light cast by its stars ever gets through. "
It says they didn't know what it was. In fact there were multiple unidentified point-like sources. I've been over this many times before
IRAS did not discover any planets. It did find some initially unidentified point-like sources. The 1983 article claims it "could" be a jupiter-like planet OR extra-galactic, they had no idea when it was first observed. IRAS did not find a planet though, it did find a number of infrared-luminous galaxies and intragalactic dust. In fact, it initially found 9 unidentified point-like sources of infrared light, listed here:
0358+223 3h 58m 2.8s 22d 18’ 0”
0404+101 4h 4m 44.7s 10d 11’ 52”
0412+085 4h 12m 32.3s 8d 31’ 13”
0413+122 4h 13m 47.3s 12d 17’ 16”
0422+009 4h 22m 54.0s 0d 56’ 6”
0425-012 4h 25m 12.1s -1d 14’ 50”
1703+049 17h 3m 1.4s 4d 57’ 50”
1712+100 17h 12m 57.8s 10d 4’ 8”
1732+239 17h 32m 51.4s 23d 56’ 36”

Here are the papers that identified these objects:
Unidentified point sources in the IRAS minisurvey, Houck et al. Astrophysical Journal, vol. 278, March 1, 1984, p. L63-L66

Unidentified IRAS sources - Ultrahigh-luminosity galaxies, Houck et al., Astrophysical Journal, vol. 290, March 1, 1985, p. L5-L8.

Optical counterparts of unidentified IRAS point sources Infrared luminous galaxies, Aaronson and Olszewski, Nature, vol. 309, May 31, 1984, p. 414-417.

 Quoting: Astromut

 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Oh, and by the way, the above coordinates from the original IRAS paper are given in the B1950 epoch which was still in use in the 80's. Be sure to precess forward before use. You guys all know how to do that, right?
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Seems if this is true it would be on us before we could detect. Would not expect any amateur watches to be able to cool their equipment to absolute zero.
 Quoting: Red herring extraordinaire

It is not necessary to cool your equipment to absolute zero to see "Nibiru" if it were real or even image objects in infrared that can't be seen in visible light with the same exposure. Once again:
Anyone who was a naysaying little bitch in threads like these:
Thread: THIS SCIENTIFICALLY EXPLAINS HOW A BROWN DWARF STAR CALLED NIBIRU EXISTS In OUR SOLAR SYSTEM

Will owe a pile of apologies if this turns out to be true
Thread: A Potential "Planet X" Discovered by ALMA

granny
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56655694


Oh really? Threads like these:
Thread: THIS SCIENTIFICALLY EXPLAINS HOW A BROWN DWARF STAR CALLED NIBIRU EXISTS In OUR SOLAR SYSTEM
Are not validated by stories like these:
Thread: A Potential "Planet X" Discovered by ALMA
A brown dwarf at Oort cloud distances does not equal "Nibiru." Nibiru is supposed to be in a 3600 year elliptical orbit which brings it within the inner solar system at perihelion. At such close distances it would be plainly obvious even to amateur telescopes.

Also, claiming that brown dwarfs are categorically "only visible in infrared" is wrong, and so is claiming that you cannot purchase a telescope capable of recording celestial objects in infrared.
Cwleo2
Oh look, the infrared bright star CW Leonis recorded in infrared just fine by my telescope.


Now, the potential discovery in this case involving what might be a brown dwarf at Oort cloud distances was not even detected in infrared. Let me repeat that; the potential discovery in this case involving what might be a brown dwarf at Oort cloud distances was not even detected in infrared. But the thread you linked to claimed that brown dwarfs could ONLY be seen in infrared.
This is because Brown Dwarfs are only visible in the infrared spectrum:
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46391492

Wrong. In this case the object in question was discovered with an array of radio telescopes searching in the millimeter/submillimeter portion of the EM spectrum. A brown dwarf so close as to be in a 3600 year orbit would also reflect a large amount of sunlight, large enough to be plainly visible to amateur telescopes.

How do we know this? Because the orbital period of an object is directly proportional to its semi-major axis. An orbital period of 3600 years corresponds to a semi-major axis of about 235 AU. For an elliptical orbit that brings Nibiru as close to the sun as earth, that equates to an eccentricity of about 0.9957 and an aphelion distance of about 469 AU. That's orders of magnitude closer than the Oort cloud distances this potential brown dwarf discovery would be at (20,000 AU). Furthermore, a brown dwarf's reflectivity is very similar to either Jupiter or Uranus depending on the presence or absence of clouds ( [link to arxiv.org] ). Given that fact, here's the formula for computing the apparent magnitude of a Jupiter-like body at a given distance from the sun, from "Photometry and colorimetry of planets and satellites" by Daniel Harris, using Harris' number for V(1,0):
Apparent magnitude = -9.39+5*log(distance from sun*distance from earth)
Plugging in the distance for "Nibiru" at aphelion (469 AU) we get about magnitude 17.3 - and that's if it's as far from the sun as it can get, to say nothing of how bright it would be if it were near the inner solar system and approaching perihelion. Asteroids are routinely discovered at magnitudes much dimmer than that, and even most comets (which are harder to see for a given magnitude since the light is spread out over a larger area) are discovered even by amateurs are magnitudes dimmer than that. C/2015 X4 Elenin is a perfect example of exactly that ( [link to www.minorplanetcenter.net] ). Nibiru, if it existed, would be entirely visible to amateur telescopes.
The newly discovered object near Alpha Centauri, if it's really a brown dwarf, is nowhere close to matching the description of "Nibiru."
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


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Shut up nibiru-tard. It does not exist. Dumbass.
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Flawless logic. You should argue people for a living. smile_kiss
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So is this 1983 Washington Post a fraud or in error, just BS.
 Quoting: dapossum

How many times do we have to go over this? How many times?
...


How dare you question the word of Astrojesus!

banbutton

banhim5
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L M A O
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69574646

I'm not going to ban anyone for asking a question, but I do ask that you read the answer.
...


Why this then?


[link to planet-x.150m.com]

Dr. Astro, I have always admired your expertise, but I have seen the article, with the photos. How do you explain that?
 Quoting: Esoterica


Please quote from the article where it says "NASA’s IRAS infrared telescope discovered an unbelievably huge, massive, what looked like a slowly burning star, a big object, headed right toward our solar system from the region of Orion." That is not what the article says.
"So mysterious is the object that astronomers do not know if it is a planet, a giant comet, a
nearby "protostar" that never got hot enough to become a star, a distant galaxy so young that
it is still in the process of forming its first stars or a galaxy so shrouded in dust that none of the
light cast by its stars ever gets through. "
It says they didn't know what it was. In fact there were multiple unidentified point-like sources. I've been over this many times before
IRAS did not discover any planets. It did find some initially unidentified point-like sources. The 1983 article claims it "could" be a jupiter-like planet OR extra-galactic, they had no idea when it was first observed. IRAS did not find a planet though, it did find a number of infrared-luminous galaxies and intragalactic dust. In fact, it initially found 9 unidentified point-like sources of infrared light, listed here:
0358+223 3h 58m 2.8s 22d 18’ 0”
0404+101 4h 4m 44.7s 10d 11’ 52”
0412+085 4h 12m 32.3s 8d 31’ 13”
0413+122 4h 13m 47.3s 12d 17’ 16”
0422+009 4h 22m 54.0s 0d 56’ 6”
0425-012 4h 25m 12.1s -1d 14’ 50”
1703+049 17h 3m 1.4s 4d 57’ 50”
1712+100 17h 12m 57.8s 10d 4’ 8”
1732+239 17h 32m 51.4s 23d 56’ 36”

Here are the papers that identified these objects:
Unidentified point sources in the IRAS minisurvey, Houck et al. Astrophysical Journal, vol. 278, March 1, 1984, p. L63-L66

Unidentified IRAS sources - Ultrahigh-luminosity galaxies, Houck et al., Astrophysical Journal, vol. 290, March 1, 1985, p. L5-L8.

Optical counterparts of unidentified IRAS point sources Infrared luminous galaxies, Aaronson and Olszewski, Nature, vol. 309, May 31, 1984, p. 414-417.

 Quoting: Astromut

 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Oh, and by the way, the above coordinates from the original IRAS paper are given in the B1950 epoch which was still in use in the 80's. Be sure to precess forward before use. You guys all know how to do that, right?
 Quoting: Dr. Astro



Seems if this is true it would be on us before we could detect. Would not expect any amateur watches to be able to cool their equipment to absolute zero.
 Quoting: Red herring extraordinaire

It is not necessary to cool your equipment to absolute zero to see "Nibiru" if it were real or even image objects in infrared that can't be seen in visible light with the same exposure. Once again:
Anyone who was a naysaying little bitch in threads like these:
Thread: THIS SCIENTIFICALLY EXPLAINS HOW A BROWN DWARF STAR CALLED NIBIRU EXISTS In OUR SOLAR SYSTEM

Will owe a pile of apologies if this turns out to be true
Thread: A Potential "Planet X" Discovered by ALMA

granny
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56655694


Oh really? Threads like these:
Thread: THIS SCIENTIFICALLY EXPLAINS HOW A BROWN DWARF STAR CALLED NIBIRU EXISTS In OUR SOLAR SYSTEM
Are not validated by stories like these:
Thread: A Potential "Planet X" Discovered by ALMA
A brown dwarf at Oort cloud distances does not equal "Nibiru." Nibiru is supposed to be in a 3600 year elliptical orbit which brings it within the inner solar system at perihelion. At such close distances it would be plainly obvious even to amateur telescopes.

Also, claiming that brown dwarfs are categorically "only visible in infrared" is wrong, and so is claiming that you cannot purchase a telescope capable of recording celestial objects in infrared.
Cwleo2
Oh look, the infrared bright star CW Leonis recorded in infrared just fine by my telescope.


Now, the potential discovery in this case involving what might be a brown dwarf at Oort cloud distances was not even detected in infrared. Let me repeat that; the potential discovery in this case involving what might be a brown dwarf at Oort cloud distances was not even detected in infrared. But the thread you linked to claimed that brown dwarfs could ONLY be seen in infrared.
This is because Brown Dwarfs are only visible in the infrared spectrum:
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46391492

Wrong. In this case the object in question was discovered with an array of radio telescopes searching in the millimeter/submillimeter portion of the EM spectrum. A brown dwarf so close as to be in a 3600 year orbit would also reflect a large amount of sunlight, large enough to be plainly visible to amateur telescopes.

How do we know this? Because the orbital period of an object is directly proportional to its semi-major axis. An orbital period of 3600 years corresponds to a semi-major axis of about 235 AU. For an elliptical orbit that brings Nibiru as close to the sun as earth, that equates to an eccentricity of about 0.9957 and an aphelion distance of about 469 AU. That's orders of magnitude closer than the Oort cloud distances this potential brown dwarf discovery would be at (20,000 AU). Furthermore, a brown dwarf's reflectivity is very similar to either Jupiter or Uranus depending on the presence or absence of clouds ( [link to arxiv.org] ). Given that fact, here's the formula for computing the apparent magnitude of a Jupiter-like body at a given distance from the sun, from "Photometry and colorimetry of planets and satellites" by Daniel Harris, using Harris' number for V(1,0):
Apparent magnitude = -9.39+5*log(distance from sun*distance from earth)
Plugging in the distance for "Nibiru" at aphelion (469 AU) we get about magnitude 17.3 - and that's if it's as far from the sun as it can get, to say nothing of how bright it would be if it were near the inner solar system and approaching perihelion. Asteroids are routinely discovered at magnitudes much dimmer than that, and even most comets (which are harder to see for a given magnitude since the light is spread out over a larger area) are discovered even by amateurs are magnitudes dimmer than that. C/2015 X4 Elenin is a perfect example of exactly that ( [link to www.minorplanetcenter.net] ). Nibiru, if it existed, would be entirely visible to amateur telescopes.
The newly discovered object near Alpha Centauri, if it's really a brown dwarf, is nowhere close to matching the description of "Nibiru."
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Had not seen that post before. Was just asking. Damn!





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