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Sesame Credit - China's new Orwellian system

 
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wats the txt version
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Every night before bed, Orwell would have some Bourbon and a nice crumpet. Then he would fall asleep on the couch mumbling and whimpering. It was his system and he loved it.
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The Chinese government is building an omnipotent "social credit" system that is meant to rate each citizen's trustworthiness.

One of the most high-profile projects is by Sesame Credit, the financial wing of Alibaba. With 400 million users, Alibaba is the world's biggest online shopping platform. It's using its unique database of consumer information to compile individual "social credit" scores.

Their spokeswoman issued a statement, discounting persistent rumours that the organisation monitors users' social media activity when assessing their social credit.

Sesame Credit tracks "financial and consumption activities of our users, and materials published on social media platforms do not affect our users' personal Sesame Credit score," explained spokeswoman Miranda Shek.

The company does not hide that it judges the types of products shoppers buy online.

"Someone who plays video games for 10 hours a day, for example, would be considered an idle person, and someone who frequently buys diapers would be considered as probably a parent, who on balance is more likely to have a sense of responsibility," Li Yingyun, Sesame's technology director told Caixin, a Chinese magazine, in February.

The Chinese authorities are watching the pilot process very carefully.
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In a trendy neighbourhood in downtown Beijing, many were enthusiastic when asked about their Sesame Credit ratings, proudly displaying them on their mobile phones.

"It is very convenient," one young woman smiled. "We booked a hotel last night using Sesame Credit and we didn't need to leave a cash deposit."

Sesame has promoted the consumer benefits of a good credit score, from a prominent dating profile on the Baihe matchmaking site to VIP reservations with hotels and car rental companies. A mobile phone game designed by Sesame Credit encourages users to guess whether they have higher or lower credit scores than their friends, encouraging everyone to openly share their ratings.

But few people seemed to understand that a bad score could hurt them in the future, preventing them from receiving a bank loan or signing a lease.

And, even more concerning, many didn't know they were being rated by Sesame at all.
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This is a trend I've been seeing everywhere, punishment for not following the accepted normal and politically correct behaviors and language.

I have a friend that is punishing his father for helping out a grandson because he doesn't agree with it. It should be none of his business what his dad does with his own money, yet he told his dad he can't see his kids until he stops helping the grandson who is my friends nephew.
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That's harsh, Brief.

And I had thought of something like this years ago where it was more prominent in peoples lives....but just wait and see how far this goes.

I was thinking Credibility is SO much like credit, how long will it be before decisions and actions follow you like a credit rating?

This could be good or bad depending on how its implemented.
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if this is china rhey should get points for their level of kung fu
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That's harsh, Brief.

And I had thought of something like this years ago where it was more prominent in peoples lives....but just wait and see how far this goes.

I was thinking Credibility is SO much like credit, how long will it be before decisions and actions follow you like a credit rating?

This could be good or bad depending on how its implemented.
 Quoting: Vandaluminatti


yeah, and this guy loves his grandchildren and they adore him. When he told me he was being punished for helping someone his son doesn't approve of I was floored!
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That's harsh, Brief.

And I had thought of something like this years ago where it was more prominent in peoples lives....but just wait and see how far this goes.

I was thinking Credibility is SO much like credit, how long will it be before decisions and actions follow you like a credit rating?

This could be good or bad depending on how its implemented.
 Quoting: Vandaluminatti


yeah, and this guy loves his grandchildren and they adore him. When he told me he was being punished for helping someone his son doesn't approve of I was floored!
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Well a coin always has 2 sides... In other words, if his grandson is a loser drug using video game unemployed fatass, then yah, giving him money will hurt alot more than help. I know its none of our business but it's hard to just sit there and watch your grandfather give money to a destructive cause.
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That's harsh, Brief.

And I had thought of something like this years ago where it was more prominent in peoples lives....but just wait and see how far this goes.

I was thinking Credibility is SO much like credit, how long will it be before decisions and actions follow you like a credit rating?

This could be good or bad depending on how its implemented.
 Quoting: Vandaluminatti


yeah, and this guy loves his grandchildren and they adore him. When he told me he was being punished for helping someone his son doesn't approve of I was floored!
 Quoting: BRIEF


Well a coin always has 2 sides... In other words, if his grandson is a loser drug using video game unemployed fatass, then yah, giving him money will hurt alot more than help. I know its none of our business but it's hard to just sit there and watch your grandfather give money to a destructive cause.
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That accurately describes the grandson, and we all disagree with helping him because he won't get off his ass and do anything to help himself, but it's not right to "punish" the grandfather if that's what he wants to do...the man is very intelligent, 71 and can damn well do as he pleases with his money...and we don't have to like it.
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This is a trend I've been seeing everywhere, punishment for not following the accepted normal and politically correct behaviors and language.

I have a friend that is punishing his father for helping out a grandson because he doesn't agree with it. It should be none of his business what his dad does with his own money, yet he told his dad he can't see his kids until he stops helping the grandson who is my friends nephew.
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Sounds like a DICK to me. You should punch your friend in the face and tell him to grow the F UP! LOL
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This is a trend I've been seeing everywhere, punishment for not following the accepted normal and politically correct behaviors and language.

I have a friend that is punishing his father for helping out a grandson because he doesn't agree with it. It should be none of his business what his dad does with his own money, yet he told his dad he can't see his kids until he stops helping the grandson who is my friends nephew.
 Quoting: BRIEF


Sounds like a DICK to me. You should punch your friend in the face and tell him to grow the F UP! LOL
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I think his wife has turned him Liberal, because he used to be a strong conservative that believed each person has the right to choose how they want to live instead of trying to force everyone into a mold.
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This is a trend I've been seeing everywhere, punishment for not following the accepted normal and politically correct behaviors and language.

I have a friend that is punishing his father for helping out a grandson because he doesn't agree with it. It should be none of his business what his dad does with his own money, yet he told his dad he can't see his kids until he stops helping the grandson who is my friends nephew.
 Quoting: BRIEF


Sounds like a DICK to me. You should punch your friend in the face and tell him to grow the F UP! LOL
 Quoting: TKC


I think his wife has turned him Liberal, because he used to be a strong conservative that believed each person has the right to choose how they want to live instead of trying to force everyone into a mold.
 Quoting: BRIEF


It seems many liberals want to control others. Make them do as they see fit. Live according to the liberal ideology.

Its disgusting.
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This is a trend I've been seeing everywhere, punishment for not following the accepted normal and politically correct behaviors and language.

I have a friend that is punishing his father for helping out a grandson because he doesn't agree with it. It should be none of his business what his dad does with his own money, yet he told his dad he can't see his kids until he stops helping the grandson who is my friends nephew.
 Quoting: BRIEF


Sounds like a DICK to me. You should punch your friend in the face and tell him to grow the F UP! LOL
 Quoting: TKC


I think his wife has turned him Liberal, because he used to be a strong conservative that believed each person has the right to choose how they want to live instead of trying to force everyone into a mold.
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bs then why do you want your friend to be of your mold?
your friend can critizise
gf can give money to deadbeat
you can have your opinion
its all fine
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This is a trend I've been seeing everywhere, punishment for not following the accepted normal and politically correct behaviors and language.

I have a friend that is punishing his father for helping out a grandson because he doesn't agree with it. It should be none of his business what his dad does with his own money, yet he told his dad he can't see his kids until he stops helping the grandson who is my friends nephew.
 Quoting: BRIEF


Sounds like a DICK to me. You should punch your friend in the face and tell him to grow the F UP! LOL
 Quoting: TKC


I think his wife has turned him Liberal, because he used to be a strong conservative that believed each person has the right to choose how they want to live instead of trying to force everyone into a mold.
 Quoting: BRIEF


bs then why do you want your friend to be of your mold?
your friend can critizise
gf can give money to deadbeat
you can have your opinion
its all fine
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I think it's cruel to deny a grandfather and grandchildren the right to see each other, but I'm not doing anything to try to "punish" him back for it. I'm simply giving my opinion.

Last Edited by BRIEF on 12/17/2015 01:05 PM
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The Glp jsed this kind of a System since the introduction
of "the Karma-System"

Imho. it is exactly the same Tool to manipulate the User.

Really funny are the Guys who use their Points to eliminate the Red Karma.

I am sure there are already People in China who provide kind of a commercial Service, like a Search Engine Optimization!
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What does that have to do with Big bird?
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What does that have to do with Big bird?
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If you run over big bird it comes off your Sesame street score.
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Yea the FICO system which benefits banks is sooo much better LMAO. You don't use credit but pay your other bills on time, still have bad credit since you choose not to take on debt or interest bearing accounts? Scam.5a
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What does that have to do with Big bird?
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If you run over big bird it comes off your Sesame street score.
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bigbird
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I was just watching a movie that had something about this...I will have to find it..

It was about marketing and advertising and how everything is manipulated...but, it showed something about this..

that is freaky..

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This is genius. Evil...sure..but genius.
The mark of the beast will come from the master of deception, manipulation, lies, and control. It won't be forced on people...they will beg for it.
This Sesame Credit just seems like another trial baloon.

Enjoy your illusion of freedom while you have it.
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This is genius. Evil...sure..but genius.
The mark of the beast will come from the master of deception, manipulation, lies, and control. It won't be forced on people...they will beg for it.
This Sesame Credit just seems like another trial baloon.

Enjoy your illusion of freedom while you have it.
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Won't work on me because I never have given a single fuck about what people think of me. Why should I? I score higher than 99% of them, so why worry about what retards think?
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I don't even know what to say about this. It's fucking sinister on the most basic psychological level to be had.

damned
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Re: Sesame Credit - China's new Orwellian system
The Glp jsed this kind of a System since the introduction
of "the Karma-System"

Imho. it is exactly the same Tool to manipulate the User.

Really funny are the Guys who use their Points to eliminate the Red Karma.

I am sure there are already People in China who provide kind of a commercial Service, like a Search Engine Optimization!
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Agreed 100%
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Wow..that is so messed up...and it would actually work..
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Truth has no temperature~~~

Love like it's never gonna hurt~~~

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