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My Church Wants to Support "Refugee's"....I almost puked during the presentation.

 
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Just want to say one thing. You said *Jesus doesn't want us to welcome the enemy*.

Every refugee is not your *enemy*.
 Quoting: Sloane


Of course they aren't all bad, but we do need a better way to sort out the ones who would create violence rather than just opening the doors to everyone as it seems they are doing now.

If they were asking for donations to take care of refugees NOT in our country, I'll bet many would donate; I would and do.

Has anyone heard anymore about the Egyptian billionaire who is buying an island in the Aegean Sea for refugees? That sounds like a worthy cause. If there were several places such as that, it could be a really nice solution to the refugees' plight.
 Quoting: Ralph--a house dog


That is totally true Ralph!

I hadn't heard about the billionaire. I will have to look that up and search it.
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And What about the christian Syrians ?

If its not An American Christian it does not have a right to live .....?
 Quoting: Purveyor of finest race hate 71055109


They do have a right as a syrian christian, problem is 98% are not christian. Doesn't matter if muslim either i would help if they stayed in their country but the majority of those coming in are fighting age males without families and are muslim. I'd love to help a christian syrian family in syria.
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"I shall call upon the name of the Lord who is worthy to be praised; so shall I be saved from mine enemies" Psalm 18:2-4
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You should have stood up and stated what is really happening with this so called refugee problem. No doubt others in your congregation share your opinions. If no one speaks out nothing will be done to stop it. The next time you go there you better say something.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70697114


Churches attempting to be "politically correct" .

Christ wouldnt put up with that. In fact He didn't. You shouldn't either.

To many people think religion is supposed to support humanitarianism of displaced people. That is all good and well, but NOT when our own people are in equally serious need here at home. Definatly not when the people you are intent on helping plainly voice intentions to destroy your way of life! We are supposed to take care of our own FIRST.

What a church does should be agreeable to the attendees and in accordance with scripture. Unfortunately, most churches make decisions without input from the members, expecting everyone to jump on the same bandwagon.

The people who already live here are being passed over for the strangers within our midst. Americans are taking a back seat to illegals, refugees and immigrants, not only religiously, but politically too. The services that are supposed to be available for law abiding citizens are instead being freely given to criminals.

Americans or others in other countries, under those governments, who rightly need those services are being rejected in favor of the new GLOBAL AGENDA and the new policies of multiculturalistic inclusion which seeks to remove borders and enmesh everyone under ONE GLOBAL RULE.

The objective is to implement a one world government/religion/monetary system and is being pushed on every platform or stage open to public concern.
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Wow, thx for sharing. I'd be disgusted as well. What's going on in this country is out of control.
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Ok, let me get this straight...and I'm not being a smartass, I am being serious and asking legit questions - In order to be a "good Christian", does one need to ignore the human need for self-preservation? Does Altruism, or what's good for someone else and theirs, trump what's good for you and yours every time?

Are Christians familiar with Taquiya and the Talmudic passages that state it is okay to lie to gentiles because they are not human? Does Christianity have any concepts that allow deceit for certain reasons or circumstances? Do Christians always believe that others are always honest with them, as they feel they are to others?
 Quoting: Little Red Hen


Altruism...NO! We are to think upon things that are true, noble, right, pure, lovely, admirable, excellent or praiseworthy, we are to fill our minds with such things - but I believe the key here is the foundation of all these things being true!

We are to put others ahead of ourselves, but any insinuation that we are to hand people over to enemies that will slaughter them would be an act of cowardice - cowards are numbered among the hell bound:

But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death” (Rev 21:1-8).

Deceit is not allowed however, Rahab lied to the soldiers to protect the spies...she is numbered in the "hall of faith" in The Book of Hebrews, so, her act was based on righteous belief - she was never admonished for lying in that case! If a raving psyco came to you and demanded to know where one of your loved ones were...would you tell him?

I personally tend to be very optimistic but am not a "moran" when it comes to assuming others intentions are pure and honest! I have and will again allow myself to be taken advantage of when it comes to such matters! im in the construction business and am often giving up money, materials and time for the sake of choosing to walk in God honoring humility...mostly related to subs, but on occasion the customers themselves, but I don't often do so in ignorance! God keeps the accounts and ours is to trust and rely on Him!
 Quoting: jdb


The Hebrew midwives also lied in Exodus after Pharaoh called for all boys to be killed at birth and daughters to live. The midwives feared God and lied to save the boys.

You are right, God keeps track of our deeds as well as every tear we have shed, every prayer we have prayed. He knows the tally and we have no need to keep track. All we need is to do our best, praise His Holy name and give thanks in all things. We turn the other cheek when we can without being a pacifist or allowing ourselves or loved ones to be harmed.

hf

God bless you my friend.
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"I shall call upon the name of the Lord who is worthy to be praised; so shall I be saved from mine enemies" Psalm 18:2-4
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My husband's family stopped going to their church many years ago when they got a new pastor who started getting political. His dad was a deacon there and they were quite involved. In fact, it really turned my FIL away from God which is a huge SIN on the part of the church. I think you should make your displeasure known. Tell them it's based on a lie.
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Thank you for sharing my friend. 5 years ago I fell away from church after a pastor refused to give me pastoral care in the hospital. I had set up an appointment for the morning of surgery. He didn't show. He didn't show after surgery. I called and they kept making excuses. In 3 months of me being hospitalized he never came once. I fell away at that point and quit wanting to be a part of a church. I just went back this summer and thought I had found a church home. Time for me to rethink this.
"I can do ALL things through Christ who strengthens me" Phillipians 4:13
"I shall call upon the name of the Lord who is worthy to be praised; so shall I be saved from mine enemies" Psalm 18:2-4
"In God is my salvation and my glory; the rock of my strength, and my refuge, is in God." Psalm 62:6-8
"He must become greater; I must become less.” John 3:30
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Re: My Church Wants to Support "Refugee's"....I almost puked during the presentation.
I go to a mega church in my area and have been really, really happy there....until this morning.

As part of the "Christmas" offering they are asking for money to go to three causes. The second cause I would support because it is local and affects my community. The third cause however made me almost puke as they presented it this morning.

They had the founder of a non profit group speak about the Syrian crisis and how our church wants to help support this cause. They played pictures on the big screens of children, women crying holding dirty, hurt children, towns in total rubble, etc. They even talked about the story of the 3 year old boy who washed up on a shore dead. Yes, this story was debunked here on GLP and if memory serves me found that Alnon (or whatever the kids name was), was actually killed by his father and it was a propaganda shoot or something like that.

During the slide show questions and statements flooded the pictures shown like "Jesus was a refugee", "there was no room at the Inn when Jesus was born, don't be an inn keeper", etc. I literally almost vomited and had to control my emotions cause my soul was SCREAMING inside. I seriously almost stood up and started screaming about how blind our church leaders were being. My husband had to grab my wrist to stop me from blurting out obscenities.

Our pastor asked this man who is helping these "refugees" how we can know they are "safe". His response was that in all the history of refugees coming from syria starting in the 80's that NONE have committed acts of terrorism. He went on to say that many are Christians and the ones who are muslim have been visiting area churches wanting to know more about "Christianity".

I wanted to scream WAKE THE F%^$ UP!!!!! It's a sham! The refugees who are coming in are NOT Christian and they are NOT families. i'd venture that over 98% are young fighting age males. The numbers this man shared about how many have already come into California blew my mind. He said OVER 35,000 have already moved into Southern California this year ALONE!!!

I hate to say it but we are on the verge of being F%&^ed in the arse. Today totally blindsided me because my church has never supported a cause like this or gotten involved in something so controversial. The mood in the congregation changed, people were visibly uncomfortable. The man from the agency spoke about ISIS and their vetting process. He tried to reassure over 1000 people that their vetting process works.

I call BULLSHIT....Better yet I call PIG SHIT! I am SO totally sick over this I likely won't go back to my church. I am just totally blown away. People need to wake the frick up. These are NOT our friends. These are NOT people we can trust. There is NO vetting process that works. It's been proven and even reported in the media that our vetting process DOESN:T work.

As a Christian, I get it, we are suppose to help others. HOWEVER, I will NOT sacrifice my families safety for this cause. Jesus doesn't want us to welcome the enemy.

I gotta take my daughter to a birthday party so i'll be offline for awhile but wanted to vent and share this. Thanks for listening to my rant. XOXO

boom33
 Quoting: TrixieMama


Perhaps, just perhaps Church isn't the place for you.

Whatever it is you are doing is wrong, all wrong!

Religion and anger/hate are at different ends of the spectrum.

Like I said you are doing it all wrong.

Satan is deceiving you.


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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69332878


How is satan deceiving me and why capitalize the first letter in his name. is he who you follow? He doesn't deserve his name to have that emphasis.
"I can do ALL things through Christ who strengthens me" Phillipians 4:13
"I shall call upon the name of the Lord who is worthy to be praised; so shall I be saved from mine enemies" Psalm 18:2-4
"In God is my salvation and my glory; the rock of my strength, and my refuge, is in God." Psalm 62:6-8
"He must become greater; I must become less.” John 3:30
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Sure, welcome them.

Give them a nice big bacon breakfast and a Christmas ham!
 Quoting: Lord Darkness


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"I can do ALL things through Christ who strengthens me" Phillipians 4:13
"I shall call upon the name of the Lord who is worthy to be praised; so shall I be saved from mine enemies" Psalm 18:2-4
"In God is my salvation and my glory; the rock of my strength, and my refuge, is in God." Psalm 62:6-8
"He must become greater; I must become less.” John 3:30
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Re: My Church Wants to Support "Refugee's"....I almost puked during the presentation.
Dig this. Open your bible, read. BAM! Your in church. You can still donate to help your community with utilities or food, of course. Jesus IS The high priest. We don't need a "middle man" anymore.

I'm not ragging on any preachers, but yeah, if you hear them leading you to the culling blade, gtfo.

On the last day, many will say "but master, we prophesied and cast out demons in your name." And He will say, "I never knew you."

He is all knowing, lulz to those that believe they will escape out of His judgements. Best get your heart right.

I'm not perfect by any means, lmao. BUT, i don't have any desire to watch my fellowman suffer as i live on a pedestal. Screw that, i wanna see ALL prosper, unlike forked tounged holy men. And again, there are many wonderful preachers out there. Just be discerning.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71002994


I agree on many levels. I worshiped on my own for 5 years, I posted more about that in another reply and won't duplicate but will say finding a good church that preaches the Bible and not a preachers interpretation changing the Word is hard to find. Maybe it's just time to go back to having fellowship in the home with likeminded Christians over a meal each week.

hf
"I can do ALL things through Christ who strengthens me" Phillipians 4:13
"I shall call upon the name of the Lord who is worthy to be praised; so shall I be saved from mine enemies" Psalm 18:2-4
"In God is my salvation and my glory; the rock of my strength, and my refuge, is in God." Psalm 62:6-8
"He must become greater; I must become less.” John 3:30
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Re: My Church Wants to Support "Refugee's"....I almost puked during the presentation.
I go to a mega church in my area and have been really, really happy there....until this morning.

As part of the "Christmas" offering they are asking for money to go to three causes. The second cause I would support because it is local and affects my community. The third cause however made me almost puke as they presented it this morning.

They had the founder of a non profit group speak about the Syrian crisis and how our church wants to help support this cause. They played pictures on the big screens of children, women crying holding dirty, hurt children, towns in total rubble, etc. They even talked about the story of the 3 year old boy who washed up on a shore dead. Yes, this story was debunked here on GLP and if memory serves me found that Alnon (or whatever the kids name was), was actually killed by his father and it was a propaganda shoot or something like that.

During the slide show questions and statements flooded the pictures shown like "Jesus was a refugee", "there was no room at the Inn when Jesus was born, don't be an inn keeper", etc. I literally almost vomited and had to control my emotions cause my soul was SCREAMING inside. I seriously almost stood up and started screaming about how blind our church leaders were being. My husband had to grab my wrist to stop me from blurting out obscenities.

Our pastor asked this man who is helping these "refugees" how we can know they are "safe". His response was that in all the history of refugees coming from syria starting in the 80's that NONE have committed acts of terrorism. He went on to say that many are Christians and the ones who are muslim have been visiting area churches wanting to know more about "Christianity".

I wanted to scream WAKE THE F%^$ UP!!!!! It's a sham! The refugees who are coming in are NOT Christian and they are NOT families. i'd venture that over 98% are young fighting age males. The numbers this man shared about how many have already come into California blew my mind. He said OVER 35,000 have already moved into Southern California this year ALONE!!!

I hate to say it but we are on the verge of being F%&^ed in the arse. Today totally blindsided me because my church has never supported a cause like this or gotten involved in something so controversial. The mood in the congregation changed, people were visibly uncomfortable. The man from the agency spoke about ISIS and their vetting process. He tried to reassure over 1000 people that their vetting process works.

I call BULLSHIT....Better yet I call PIG SHIT! I am SO totally sick over this I likely won't go back to my church. I am just totally blown away. People need to wake the frick up. These are NOT our friends. These are NOT people we can trust. There is NO vetting process that works. It's been proven and even reported in the media that our vetting process DOESN:T work.

As a Christian, I get it, we are suppose to help others. HOWEVER, I will NOT sacrifice my families safety for this cause. Jesus doesn't want us to welcome the enemy.

I gotta take my daughter to a birthday party so i'll be offline for awhile but wanted to vent and share this. Thanks for listening to my rant. XOXO

boom33
 Quoting: TrixieMama


Perhaps, just perhaps Church isn't the place for you.

Whatever it is you are doing is wrong, all wrong!

Religion and anger/hate are at different ends of the spectrum.

Like I said you are doing it all wrong.

Satan is deceiving you.


.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69332878


Hate is being so irresponsible you allow in jihadist to blow up children. Explain to me how you take responsibility for letting in refugees? You don't. You give advise and if death and disaster strikes you aren't responsible, you are just a big talker with no brains.
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And you've been giving money to that church week after week? LOL

Vote with your wallet and stop supporting traitorous churches.
 Quoting: Factual Error


Yes why would you keep going to a place where you could not actually get up and object when the leader says something you know is wrong?

You had the right impulse when you wanted to get up and do that. But yes it would have pissed off many of those "mega" people there. (Are you in Houston? I know Houston has a lot of those mega churches.) And so you are more of a truth seeker than they are.

If what's dispensed during services isn't truth, as deep as it can be found, and even lies are passed unopposed ...

Why do you even pay your time and your money and your credibility to go and sit for that crap??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70717665


This experience today was the first i've had like this at this church. No, I am not in Houston. I'm in So Cal. I can't stew over what I should've done which you are right is speak my mind but what I can do is speak it tomorrow and then wash my hands of that church.

I don't have much money so I can't tithe much so financially I haven't supported much there. I have always given without regard to what it leaves me with for food, etc but I have done so with a willing heart. I won't be going back and will instead tithe to organizations that are local to support local food banks and shelters.

hf
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"I shall call upon the name of the Lord who is worthy to be praised; so shall I be saved from mine enemies" Psalm 18:2-4
"In God is my salvation and my glory; the rock of my strength, and my refuge, is in God." Psalm 62:6-8
"He must become greater; I must become less.” John 3:30
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And What about the christian Syrians ?

If its not An American Christian it does not have a right to live .....?
 Quoting: Purveyor of finest race hate 71055109


They are not being allowed in if they are Christian, from what I've read. Less than 2% that have come here are Christians, but there are many Christians still trying to get out of that area.
 Quoting: Ralph--a house dog


MANY are trying to get in but are denied. TPTB have an agenda.
"I can do ALL things through Christ who strengthens me" Phillipians 4:13
"I shall call upon the name of the Lord who is worthy to be praised; so shall I be saved from mine enemies" Psalm 18:2-4
"In God is my salvation and my glory; the rock of my strength, and my refuge, is in God." Psalm 62:6-8
"He must become greater; I must become less.” John 3:30
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You should have stood up and stated what is really happening with this so called refugee problem. No doubt others in your congregation share your opinions. If no one speaks out nothing will be done to stop it. The next time you go there you better say something.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70697114


yes. if you plan to leave the church, make sure you tell them you are leaving and WHY

next they will be officiating gay marriages

the mainstream church is falling away

we will be held accountable on judgment day for our choices.

your pastor needs to know why you are leaving. im sure you're not the only one
 Quoting: Salt


Thank you Salt. You are correct. It's time to go back to weekly bible study in the home with close friends. We absolutely will be held accountable on judgement day and that is something I take very serious.

God bless you my friend!
"I can do ALL things through Christ who strengthens me" Phillipians 4:13
"I shall call upon the name of the Lord who is worthy to be praised; so shall I be saved from mine enemies" Psalm 18:2-4
"In God is my salvation and my glory; the rock of my strength, and my refuge, is in God." Psalm 62:6-8
"He must become greater; I must become less.” John 3:30
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Dig this. Open your bible, read. BAM! Your in church. You can still donate to help your community with utilities or food, of course. Jesus IS The high priest. We don't need a "middle man" anymore.

I'm not ragging on any preachers, but yeah, if you hear them leading you to the culling blade, gtfo.

On the last day, many will say "but master, we prophesied and cast out demons in your name." And He will say, "I never knew you."

He is all knowing, lulz to those that believe they will escape out of His judgements. Best get your heart right.

I'm not perfect by any means, lmao. BUT, i don't have any desire to watch my fellowman suffer as i live on a pedestal. Screw that, i wanna see ALL prosper, unlike forked tounged holy men. And again, there are many wonderful preachers out there. Just be discerning.
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This. If you aren't sure of another starting place, start at Genesis 1:1.

And skip concordances and such. Just read the Word, in whatever translation you have available, skipping anyone else's commentary. I used KJV, but it's probably no better than other translations. The important thing is to start.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70717665


My kids and I read the Bible every night. My son reads aloud to his little sister and I for about 2 hours each night. Longer on weekends. They are working on memorizing scripture so they keep it with them at all times. The day when Bibles will be outlawed is coming. We need to keep the Word of God with us at all times.
"I can do ALL things through Christ who strengthens me" Phillipians 4:13
"I shall call upon the name of the Lord who is worthy to be praised; so shall I be saved from mine enemies" Psalm 18:2-4
"In God is my salvation and my glory; the rock of my strength, and my refuge, is in God." Psalm 62:6-8
"He must become greater; I must become less.” John 3:30
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Is this mega-church cccm by chance?
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No AC. Not Calvary Costa Mesa.
"I can do ALL things through Christ who strengthens me" Phillipians 4:13
"I shall call upon the name of the Lord who is worthy to be praised; so shall I be saved from mine enemies" Psalm 18:2-4
"In God is my salvation and my glory; the rock of my strength, and my refuge, is in God." Psalm 62:6-8
"He must become greater; I must become less.” John 3:30
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mega churches are for sheep. sorry OP.
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hesright

First mistake, going to a Church.
Second mistake, believing there is a God.
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I feel sorry for you that you don't believe in God. I pray your heart is softened and your mind is opened so you can take your place in His Kingdom. Hell is gonna be a horrible place to be.
"I can do ALL things through Christ who strengthens me" Phillipians 4:13
"I shall call upon the name of the Lord who is worthy to be praised; so shall I be saved from mine enemies" Psalm 18:2-4
"In God is my salvation and my glory; the rock of my strength, and my refuge, is in God." Psalm 62:6-8
"He must become greater; I must become less.” John 3:30
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You should have stood up and stated what is really happening with this so called refugee problem. No doubt others in your congregation share your opinions. If no one speaks out nothing will be done to stop it. The next time you go there you better say something.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70697114


yes. if you plan to leave the church, make sure you tell them you are leaving and WHY

next they will be officiating gay marriages

the mainstream church is falling away

we will be held accountable on judgment day for our choices.

your pastor needs to know why you are leaving. im sure you're not the only one
 Quoting: Salt


I respect Salt's opinion on this, because I recall she is or was somehow in the church business. I would personally just forget all about that organization and spend the same time reading my Bible without anyone suggesting what part to read or telling me what it means. But Salt makes a good point here, so please do that too.
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TY AC. We aren't new to reading our Bibles. We read daily and even when I fell away for 5 years we worshiped in our home. I do appreciate the encouragement to stay grounded and reading scripture. Maybe Salt didn't realize i've been a Christian for over 30 years.

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And you've been giving money to that church week after week? LOL

Vote with your wallet and stop supporting traitorous churches.
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Yes why would you keep going to a place where you could not actually get up and object when the leader says something you know is wrong?

You had the right impulse when you wanted to get up and do that. But yes it would have pissed off many of those "mega" people there. (Are you in Houston? I know Houston has a lot of those mega churches.) And so you are more of a truth seeker than they are.

If what's dispensed during services isn't truth, as deep as it can be found, and even lies are passed unopposed ...

Why do you even pay your time and your money and your credibility to go and sit for that crap??
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How does a mega church work? Do you have a membership card to get in, or is it open free to the public? One has to wonder at the business model of these churches.
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I use the term mega church since it has over 7000 members plus another 3000 or so visitors every sunday. Lol, no membership required. I hadn't taken that plunge yet.
"I can do ALL things through Christ who strengthens me" Phillipians 4:13
"I shall call upon the name of the Lord who is worthy to be praised; so shall I be saved from mine enemies" Psalm 18:2-4
"In God is my salvation and my glory; the rock of my strength, and my refuge, is in God." Psalm 62:6-8
"He must become greater; I must become less.” John 3:30
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For all those bagging on OP for not being "Christian", having a rational, critical thinking mind does not make you a "bad person" or a "false Christian". The Bible tells us to be wise as serpents, and that we must "judge all things", use discernment. Discernment is not a sin.
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I attended a 'mega church' in the 90s and got really turned off when they plastered a large picture of a presidential candidate on the side wall. I firmly believe that should be separate. I have never voted for a Bush and I never will, BUT it wouldn't matter who it was. It is wrong IMO. I was raised to believe that who one votes for is a private matter for the individual.

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I go to a mega church in my area and have been really, really happy there....until this morning.

As part of the "Christmas" offering they are asking for money to go to three causes. The second cause I would support because it is local and affects my community. The third cause however made me almost puke as they presented it this morning.

They had the founder of a non profit group speak about the Syrian crisis and how our church wants to help support this cause. They played pictures on the big screens of children, women crying holding dirty, hurt children, towns in total rubble, etc. They even talked about the story of the 3 year old boy who washed up on a shore dead. Yes, this story was debunked here on GLP and if memory serves me found that Alnon (or whatever the kids name was), was actually killed by his father and it was a propaganda shoot or something like that.

During the slide show questions and statements flooded the pictures shown like "Jesus was a refugee", "there was no room at the Inn when Jesus was born, don't be an inn keeper", etc. I literally almost vomited and had to control my emotions cause my soul was SCREAMING inside. I seriously almost stood up and started screaming about how blind our church leaders were being. My husband had to grab my wrist to stop me from blurting out obscenities.

Our pastor asked this man who is helping these "refugees" how we can know they are "safe". His response was that in all the history of refugees coming from syria starting in the 80's that NONE have committed acts of terrorism. He went on to say that many are Christians and the ones who are muslim have been visiting area churches wanting to know more about "Christianity".

I wanted to scream WAKE THE F%^$ UP!!!!! It's a sham! The refugees who are coming in are NOT Christian and they are NOT families. i'd venture that over 98% are young fighting age males. The numbers this man shared about how many have already come into California blew my mind. He said OVER 35,000 have already moved into Southern California this year ALONE!!!

I hate to say it but we are on the verge of being F%&^ed in the arse. Today totally blindsided me because my church has never supported a cause like this or gotten involved in something so controversial. The mood in the congregation changed, people were visibly uncomfortable. The man from the agency spoke about ISIS and their vetting process. He tried to reassure over 1000 people that their vetting process works.

I call BULLSHIT....Better yet I call PIG SHIT! I am SO totally sick over this I likely won't go back to my church. I am just totally blown away. People need to wake the frick up. These are NOT our friends. These are NOT people we can trust. There is NO vetting process that works. It's been proven and even reported in the media that our vetting process DOESN:T work.

As a Christian, I get it, we are suppose to help others. HOWEVER, I will NOT sacrifice my families safety for this cause. Jesus doesn't want us to welcome the enemy.

I gotta take my daughter to a birthday party so i'll be offline for awhile but wanted to vent and share this. Thanks for listening to my rant. XOXO

boom33
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Perhaps, just perhaps Church isn't the place for you.

Whatever it is you are doing is wrong, all wrong!

Religion and anger/hate are at different ends of the spectrum.

Like I said you are doing it all wrong.

Satan is deceiving you.


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How is satan deceiving me and why capitalize the first letter in his name. is he who you follow? He doesn't deserve his name to have that emphasis.
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If you need to ask questions and make silly jibes... then yes, he obviously HAS deceived you.
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I go to a mega church in my area and have been really, really happy there....until this morning.

As part of the "Christmas" offering they are asking for money to go to three causes. The second cause I would support because it is local and affects my community. The third cause however made me almost puke as they presented it this morning.

They had the founder of a non profit group speak about the Syrian crisis and how our church wants to help support this cause. They played pictures on the big screens of children, women crying holding dirty, hurt children, towns in total rubble, etc. They even talked about the story of the 3 year old boy who washed up on a shore dead. Yes, this story was debunked here on GLP and if memory serves me found that Alnon (or whatever the kids name was), was actually killed by his father and it was a propaganda shoot or something like that.

During the slide show questions and statements flooded the pictures shown like "Jesus was a refugee", "there was no room at the Inn when Jesus was born, don't be an inn keeper", etc. I literally almost vomited and had to control my emotions cause my soul was SCREAMING inside. I seriously almost stood up and started screaming about how blind our church leaders were being. My husband had to grab my wrist to stop me from blurting out obscenities.

Our pastor asked this man who is helping these "refugees" how we can know they are "safe". His response was that in all the history of refugees coming from syria starting in the 80's that NONE have committed acts of terrorism. He went on to say that many are Christians and the ones who are muslim have been visiting area churches wanting to know more about "Christianity".

I wanted to scream WAKE THE F%^$ UP!!!!! It's a sham! The refugees who are coming in are NOT Christian and they are NOT families. i'd venture that over 98% are young fighting age males. The numbers this man shared about how many have already come into California blew my mind. He said OVER 35,000 have already moved into Southern California this year ALONE!!!

I hate to say it but we are on the verge of being F%&^ed in the arse. Today totally blindsided me because my church has never supported a cause like this or gotten involved in something so controversial. The mood in the congregation changed, people were visibly uncomfortable. The man from the agency spoke about ISIS and their vetting process. He tried to reassure over 1000 people that their vetting process works.

I call BULLSHIT....Better yet I call PIG SHIT! I am SO totally sick over this I likely won't go back to my church. I am just totally blown away. People need to wake the frick up. These are NOT our friends. These are NOT people we can trust. There is NO vetting process that works. It's been proven and even reported in the media that our vetting process DOESN:T work.

As a Christian, I get it, we are suppose to help others. HOWEVER, I will NOT sacrifice my families safety for this cause. Jesus doesn't want us to welcome the enemy.

I gotta take my daughter to a birthday party so i'll be offline for awhile but wanted to vent and share this. Thanks for listening to my rant. XOXO

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Your idiotic church wants to cut it's own throat.
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I go to a mega church in my area and have been really, really happy there....until this morning.

As part of the "Christmas" offering they are asking for money to go to three causes. The second cause I would support because it is local and affects my community. The third cause however made me almost puke as they presented it this morning.

They had the founder of a non profit group speak about the Syrian crisis and how our church wants to help support this cause. They played pictures on the big screens of children, women crying holding dirty, hurt children, towns in total rubble, etc. They even talked about the story of the 3 year old boy who washed up on a shore dead. Yes, this story was debunked here on GLP and if memory serves me found that Alnon (or whatever the kids name was), was actually killed by his father and it was a propaganda shoot or something like that.

During the slide show questions and statements flooded the pictures shown like "Jesus was a refugee", "there was no room at the Inn when Jesus was born, don't be an inn keeper", etc. I literally almost vomited and had to control my emotions cause my soul was SCREAMING inside. I seriously almost stood up and started screaming about how blind our church leaders were being. My husband had to grab my wrist to stop me from blurting out obscenities.

Our pastor asked this man who is helping these "refugees" how we can know they are "safe". His response was that in all the history of refugees coming from syria starting in the 80's that NONE have committed acts of terrorism. He went on to say that many are Christians and the ones who are muslim have been visiting area churches wanting to know more about "Christianity".

I wanted to scream WAKE THE F%^$ UP!!!!! It's a sham! The refugees who are coming in are NOT Christian and they are NOT families. i'd venture that over 98% are young fighting age males. The numbers this man shared about how many have already come into California blew my mind. He said OVER 35,000 have already moved into Southern California this year ALONE!!!

I hate to say it but we are on the verge of being F%&^ed in the arse. Today totally blindsided me because my church has never supported a cause like this or gotten involved in something so controversial. The mood in the congregation changed, people were visibly uncomfortable. The man from the agency spoke about ISIS and their vetting process. He tried to reassure over 1000 people that their vetting process works.

I call BULLSHIT....Better yet I call PIG SHIT! I am SO totally sick over this I likely won't go back to my church. I am just totally blown away. People need to wake the frick up. These are NOT our friends. These are NOT people we can trust. There is NO vetting process that works. It's been proven and even reported in the media that our vetting process DOESN:T work.

As a Christian, I get it, we are suppose to help others. HOWEVER, I will NOT sacrifice my families safety for this cause. Jesus doesn't want us to welcome the enemy.

I gotta take my daughter to a birthday party so i'll be offline for awhile but wanted to vent and share this. Thanks for listening to my rant. XOXO

boom33
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Perhaps, just perhaps Church isn't the place for you.

Whatever it is you are doing is wrong, all wrong!

Religion and anger/hate are at different ends of the spectrum.

Like I said you are doing it all wrong.

Satan is deceiving you.


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Hate is being so irresponsible you allow in jihadist to blow up children. Explain to me how you take responsibility for letting in refugees? You don't. You give advise and if death and disaster strikes you aren't responsible, you are just a big talker with no brains.
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We are ALL Gods children.

God does not need you or me to carry out His Will.
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these refugees are not real refugees! Not in the sense that they are almost to have been killed and they are running for their life!

They are refujihadists! They are the Army of the Antichrist that are being brought in Europe and US to behead and do all kinds of atrocities to the Christians!

God All Mighty told to hundred of persons, true believers and Servants of God, these things! These are the armies of the Antichrist! If you help and abet them, is like you would help and abet your own killer, murderer, your family rapist, etc.

And all those playing "you are not Christian because not helping poor refugees" are tools of satan, tools of mind manipulation and deception!
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[link to z3news.com]

Obama Taking Action Against the United States with the Help of a Foreign God
December 17,
By James Bailey

Early last year I remember laughing when I heard people saying Obama was the antichrist, but after hearing it again and again from different people I finally asked the Lord about it. When I did He immediately showed me a vision, which I shared in my previous post, Obama Taking Action Against the Strongest of Fortresses.

The vision was based on Daniel 11:39, which states, “He will take action against the strongest of fortresses with the help of a foreign god.” Daniel was describing the actions of the antichrist, who would come at the time of the end, which happens to be now.

Despite seeing it in the vision and in the scriptures, I still had a hard time believing it. So I kept quiet about it for six months. During that time, the Lord sent me confirmation after confirmation until finally my faith grew to the point where I was willing to share it. That was when I finally shared the post linked above. Just a few weeks later, the Lord gave me another giant confirmation with a detailed dream revealing again Obama is the antichrist. Today I have documented over one hundred confirmations and the list keeps growing.

The strongest of fortresses today is the United States of America. The foreign god is Allah, the false god of Islam. We are seeing the fulfillment of this scripture as President Obama is conspiring with Muslim psychopaths to first infiltrate then take down the United States. This is why he is pushing to bring more Syrian “refugees” into our country despite the objections of 34 governors. He calls them refugees only to accomplish his own purposes. He even accuses his opponents of not upholding our nation’s values. As usual, his statements are just a smokescreen to hide his true intentions. Obama cares nothing about America’s values or the concerns of our people because he is on a mission to destroy us. He is sent from hell.

If Obama was truly just trying to help refugees, there are lots of ways he could do that without endangering American citizens. For example, Canada recently implemented a plan to only accept women, children, and whole families coming from Syria. They refuse to accept any single males. That simple policy could easily eliminate much of the Islamic threat, if only we wanted to eliminate the threat, but Obama wants the single males here because he wants the acts of terror they are willing to carry out.

Meanwhile, very few churches are willing to talk about these things, which is why very few Christians are aware of what is happening. It makes me wonder whose side many pastors are on, but thank God for a righteous remnant that is awake and listening to what God is saying.
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He's on their team. I believe God speaks to us and gives us wisdom and discernment. Those who believe will know what prophecy is unfolding before the sheep. I still have not decided O's or Putin's role in prophecy i'm on the fence BUT I know we are seeing prophecy being fulfilled at an exponential rate and we are fast approaching Christ's return.

I think we all need to ask vigilantly for God's wisdom and discernment in all things. The devil is hard at work trying to sway Christians. This is his last fight so he will do whatever he can.

Stay strong in your faith and God bless you my friend.

hf
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God be with all His children, OP!

HF
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I go to a mega church in my area and have been really, really happy there....until this morning.

As part of the "Christmas" offering they are asking for money to go to three causes. The second cause I would support because it is local and affects my community. The third cause however made me almost puke as they presented it this morning.

They had the founder of a non profit group and blah blah blah
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You're the anti-Christ actually.
You and you're kind are so very far from being Christian.

Why do you go to church again? To get laid or to be seen by others or some other shallow materialistic reason?

It was people like you who crucified Christ.

You do realize that Mary and Joseph were refugees when Mary was pregnant with God right?

right?
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Edmond, if you didn't read the Bible and do not share the spiritual communion that is inspired by it, I would suggest you to not use it as to cover for an argument of yours.

Why I'm saying that, is because you would read it, you would know that Mary and Joseph were going, from "their home" in Nazareth to Bethlehem, as Emperor Caesar Augustus (of which Isreal was under rulling in those times) had recently decreed that a registration be carried out in the land, and people had to travel to their town of origin in order to comply. Joseph, being of David family, David family being from Bethlehem, he had to register him and his family there.

What now, about them being refugees? Anyways you are just a member of satanic troll army, God have mercy on your soul at His Judgement! And we pray for His mercy for us, as well!
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I go to a mega church in my area and have been really, really happy there....until this morning.

As part of the "Christmas" offering they are asking for money to go to three causes. The second cause I would support because it is local and affects my community. The third cause however made me almost puke as they presented it this morning.

They had the founder of a non profit group speak about the Syrian crisis and how our church wants to help support this cause. They played pictures on the big screens of children, women crying holding dirty, hurt children, towns in total rubble, etc. They even talked about the story of the 3 year old boy who washed up on a shore dead. Yes, this story was debunked here on GLP and if memory serves me found that Alnon (or whatever the kids name was), was actually killed by his father and it was a propaganda shoot or something like that.

During the slide show questions and statements flooded the pictures shown like "Jesus was a refugee", "there was no room at the Inn when Jesus was born, don't be an inn keeper", etc. I literally almost vomited and had to control my emotions cause my soul was SCREAMING inside. I seriously almost stood up and started screaming about how blind our church leaders were being. My husband had to grab my wrist to stop me from blurting out obscenities.

Our pastor asked this man who is helping these "refugees" how we can know they are "safe". His response was that in all the history of refugees coming from syria starting in the 80's that NONE have committed acts of terrorism. He went on to say that many are Christians and the ones who are muslim have been visiting area churches wanting to know more about "Christianity".

I wanted to scream WAKE THE F%^$ UP!!!!! It's a sham! The refugees who are coming in are NOT Christian and they are NOT families. i'd venture that over 98% are young fighting age males. The numbers this man shared about how many have already come into California blew my mind. He said OVER 35,000 have already moved into Southern California this year ALONE!!!

I hate to say it but we are on the verge of being F%&^ed in the arse. Today totally blindsided me because my church has never supported a cause like this or gotten involved in something so controversial. The mood in the congregation changed, people were visibly uncomfortable. The man from the agency spoke about ISIS and their vetting process. He tried to reassure over 1000 people that their vetting process works.

I call BULLSHIT....Better yet I call PIG SHIT! I am SO totally sick over this I likely won't go back to my church. I am just totally blown away. People need to wake the frick up. These are NOT our friends. These are NOT people we can trust. There is NO vetting process that works. It's been proven and even reported in the media that our vetting process DOESN:T work.

As a Christian, I get it, we are suppose to help others. HOWEVER, I will NOT sacrifice my families safety for this cause. Jesus doesn't want us to welcome the enemy.

I gotta take my daughter to a birthday party so i'll be offline for awhile but wanted to vent and share this. Thanks for listening to my rant. XOXO

boom33
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Your spirit is not aligned with Christ that is why you react as you do, many shall be counted as hypocrites perhaps look at yourself as a Christian and see are you truly living tot he standard required. Blessed are they who understand the meaning of compassion who pray also for their enemy's, thou is overcome by fear giving by the adversary and the result is hatred.
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hesright
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You wouldn't know right if it bit you on the ass.

Amazing how many assholes want jihadist let in the country just because it irks their right of center neighbor, as though jihadists are going to make that distinction when the jihadist start jihading.

Fuck off.
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Most of them, if not all are those "Chosen People" of satan that want the western country destroyed for their own agenda.

Listen here, and it will be very clear, no need to beat around the bush, who are they and why they want it:





So, to be clear for you, who are those "more Christian" than the Christians in these threads and other! And of course their army of paid trolls, paid from the money stolen from us, of course.
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I go to a mega church in my area and have been really, really happy there....until this morning.

As part of the "Christmas" offering they are asking for money to go to three causes. The second cause I would support because it is local and affects my community. The third cause however made me almost puke as they presented it this morning.

They had the founder of a non profit group speak about the Syrian crisis and how our church wants to help support this cause. They played pictures on the big screens of children, women crying holding dirty, hurt children, towns in total rubble, etc. They even talked about the story of the 3 year old boy who washed up on a shore dead. Yes, this story was debunked here on GLP and if memory serves me found that Alnon (or whatever the kids name was), was actually killed by his father and it was a propaganda shoot or something like that.

During the slide show questions and statements flooded the pictures shown like "Jesus was a refugee", "there was no room at the Inn when Jesus was born, don't be an inn keeper", etc. I literally almost vomited and had to control my emotions cause my soul was SCREAMING inside. I seriously almost stood up and started screaming about how blind our church leaders were being. My husband had to grab my wrist to stop me from blurting out obscenities.

Our pastor asked this man who is helping these "refugees" how we can know they are "safe". His response was that in all the history of refugees coming from syria starting in the 80's that NONE have committed acts of terrorism. He went on to say that many are Christians and the ones who are muslim have been visiting area churches wanting to know more about "Christianity".

I wanted to scream WAKE THE F%^$ UP!!!!! It's a sham! The refugees who are coming in are NOT Christian and they are NOT families. i'd venture that over 98% are young fighting age males. The numbers this man shared about how many have already come into California blew my mind. He said OVER 35,000 have already moved into Southern California this year ALONE!!!

I hate to say it but we are on the verge of being F%&^ed in the arse. Today totally blindsided me because my church has never supported a cause like this or gotten involved in something so controversial. The mood in the congregation changed, people were visibly uncomfortable. The man from the agency spoke about ISIS and their vetting process. He tried to reassure over 1000 people that their vetting process works.

I call BULLSHIT....Better yet I call PIG SHIT! I am SO totally sick over this I likely won't go back to my church. I am just totally blown away. People need to wake the frick up. These are NOT our friends. These are NOT people we can trust. There is NO vetting process that works. It's been proven and even reported in the media that our vetting process DOESN:T work.

As a Christian, I get it, we are suppose to help others. HOWEVER, I will NOT sacrifice my families safety for this cause. Jesus doesn't want us to welcome the enemy.

I gotta take my daughter to a birthday party so i'll be offline for awhile but wanted to vent and share this. Thanks for listening to my rant. XOXO

boom33
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Your spirit is not aligned with Christ that is why you react as you do, many shall be counted as hypocrites perhaps look at yourself as a Christian and see are you truly living tot he standard required. Blessed are they who understand the meaning of compassion who pray also for their enemy's, thou is overcome by fear giving by the adversary and the result is hatred.
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you don't have a clue and I'm gonna explain exactly why.

the most important thing to understand about Christianity IMO is what the NT has to say about the Ten Commandments.

the Commandments are referred to as the "ministry of death" in the NT.

since you profess to believe in the NT, this is what you believe in.

it's as simple as that.

...

nope he forgave everyone. It is you who are trying to justify your hatred you scum.John 8:7 Whoever is without sin among you, let him be the first to cast a stone at her."
IF you cant forgive the jews for what they have done then how do you expect God to forgive you of what you done. All sin is the same in his eyes so don't act as if you deserve special treatment
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That is a lie. Your doctrine is false. He doesn't forgive everyone. Jesus forgives those who repent and ask him for forgiveness. The jews are going to hell for what they've done and for what they refuse to do, which is repent and ask for forgiveness. When they repent, I'll look the other way too, but they won't. They are snakes and vipers, children of their father the devil, the Synagogue of Satan.

I don't support what they did or continue to do, and I don't support them, and I won't until they redeem themselves, which I am not even certain is possible. I'll have no fellowship with demons.
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And your doctrine says that you believe in the Ten Commandments when the NT says exactly the opposite.
 Quoting: RTS REDUX


I'm disappointed this post didn't get any attention.

Here's the PROOF.

The Ten Commandments are called the "Ministry of Death" in the NT.

Enmity- A deep seated hatred. (From Latin: enemy)

Ephesians 2:15-16
“By abolishing in his flesh the enmity, which is the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in himself he might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by having put to death the enmity.”

Hebrews 7:18-19
“For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and uselessness. For the law made nothing perfect.”

Hebrews 8:13
“When he said “A new covenant” he has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.”

Romans 7:9-10
“I was once alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin became alive and I died. And this commandment which was to result in life, proved to result in death for me

2 Corinthians 3:7-11
“But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved in stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, how will the ministry of the spirit fail to be even more with glory? For if the ministry of condemnation has glory, how much more does the ministry of righteousness abound in glory. For indeed what had glory, in this case has no glory because of the glory which surpasses it. For if that which fades away was with glory, much more that which remains is in glory.

1 John 2:8
“I am writing a new commandment to you, which is true in him and in you, because the darkness is passing away and the true light is already shining”.

Galatians 2:19
“For through the law I died to the law.”

1 Corinthians 6:12
“All things are lawful for me.”
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Re: My Church Wants to Support "Refugee's"....I almost puked during the presentation.
I go to a mega church in my area and have been really, really happy there....until this morning.

As part of the "Christmas" offering they are asking for money to go to three causes. The second cause I would support because it is local and affects my community. The third cause however made me almost puke as they presented it this morning.

They had the founder of a non profit group speak about the Syrian crisis and how our church wants to help support this cause. They played pictures on the big screens of children, women crying holding dirty, hurt children, towns in total rubble, etc. They even talked about the story of the 3 year old boy who washed up on a shore dead. Yes, this story was debunked here on GLP and if memory serves me found that Alnon (or whatever the kids name was), was actually killed by his father and it was a propaganda shoot or something like that.

During the slide show questions and statements flooded the pictures shown like "Jesus was a refugee", "there was no room at the Inn when Jesus was born, don't be an inn keeper", etc. I literally almost vomited and had to control my emotions cause my soul was SCREAMING inside. I seriously almost stood up and started screaming about how blind our church leaders were being. My husband had to grab my wrist to stop me from blurting out obscenities.

Our pastor asked this man who is helping these "refugees" how we can know they are "safe". His response was that in all the history of refugees coming from syria starting in the 80's that NONE have committed acts of terrorism. He went on to say that many are Christians and the ones who are muslim have been visiting area churches wanting to know more about "Christianity".

I wanted to scream WAKE THE F%^$ UP!!!!! It's a sham! The refugees who are coming in are NOT Christian and they are NOT families. i'd venture that over 98% are young fighting age males. The numbers this man shared about how many have already come into California blew my mind. He said OVER 35,000 have already moved into Southern California this year ALONE!!!

I hate to say it but we are on the verge of being F%&^ed in the arse. Today totally blindsided me because my church has never supported a cause like this or gotten involved in something so controversial. The mood in the congregation changed, people were visibly uncomfortable. The man from the agency spoke about ISIS and their vetting process. He tried to reassure over 1000 people that their vetting process works.

I call BULLSHIT....Better yet I call PIG SHIT! I am SO totally sick over this I likely won't go back to my church. I am just totally blown away. People need to wake the frick up. These are NOT our friends. These are NOT people we can trust. There is NO vetting process that works. It's been proven and even reported in the media that our vetting process DOESN:T work.

As a Christian, I get it, we are suppose to help others. HOWEVER, I will NOT sacrifice my families safety for this cause. Jesus doesn't want us to welcome the enemy.

I gotta take my daughter to a birthday party so i'll be offline for awhile but wanted to vent and share this. Thanks for listening to my rant. XOXO

boom33
 Quoting: TrixieMama


Your spirit is not aligned with Christ that is why you react as you do, many shall be counted as hypocrites perhaps look at yourself as a Christian and see are you truly living tot he standard required. Blessed are they who understand the meaning of compassion who pray also for their enemy's, thou is overcome by fear giving by the adversary and the result is hatred.
 Quoting: LightofChrist 47437800


you don't have a clue and I'm gonna explain exactly why.

the most important thing to understand about Christianity IMO is what the NT has to say about the Ten Commandments.

the Commandments are referred to as the "ministry of death" in the NT.

since you profess to believe in the NT, this is what you believe in.

it's as simple as that.

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That is a lie. Your doctrine is false. He doesn't forgive everyone. Jesus forgives those who repent and ask him for forgiveness. The jews are going to hell for what they've done and for what they refuse to do, which is repent and ask for forgiveness. When they repent, I'll look the other way too, but they won't. They are snakes and vipers, children of their father the devil, the Synagogue of Satan.

I don't support what they did or continue to do, and I don't support them, and I won't until they redeem themselves, which I am not even certain is possible. I'll have no fellowship with demons.
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And your doctrine says that you believe in the Ten Commandments when the NT says exactly the opposite.
 Quoting: RTS REDUX


I'm disappointed this post didn't get any attention.

Here's the PROOF.

The Ten Commandments are called the "Ministry of Death" in the NT.

Enmity- A deep seated hatred. (From Latin: enemy)

Ephesians 2:15-16
“By abolishing in his flesh the enmity, which is the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in himself he might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by having put to death the enmity.”

Hebrews 7:18-19
“For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and uselessness. For the law made nothing perfect.”

Hebrews 8:13
“When he said “A new covenant” he has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.”

Romans 7:9-10
“I was once alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin became alive and I died. And this commandment which was to result in life, proved to result in death for me

2 Corinthians 3:7-11
“But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved in stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, how will the ministry of the spirit fail to be even more with glory? For if the ministry of condemnation has glory, how much more does the ministry of righteousness abound in glory. For indeed what had glory, in this case has no glory because of the glory which surpasses it. For if that which fades away was with glory, much more that which remains is in glory.

1 John 2:8
“I am writing a new commandment to you, which is true in him and in you, because the darkness is passing away and the true light is already shining”.

Galatians 2:19
“For through the law I died to the law.”

1 Corinthians 6:12
“All things are lawful for me.”
Thread: I Support Israel Thread (If you stand for Israel show your love) (Page 23)
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 Quoting: RTS REDUX


Can thou say death has no claim to ye? can you with all certain say you cant die and know what awaits in death and the future holds. If thou can not perhaps judging is not wise either for I can say such things. More than is known in scriptures is known to me and the meanings of each is revealed in it appointment of timing.
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Re: My Church Wants to Support "Refugee's"....I almost puked during the presentation.
I go to a mega church in my area and have been really, really happy there....until this morning.

As part of the "Christmas" offering they are asking for money to go to three causes. The second cause I would support because it is local and affects my community. The third cause however made me almost puke as they presented it this morning.

They had the founder of a non profit group speak about the Syrian crisis and how our church wants to help support this cause. They played pictures on the big screens of children, women crying holding dirty, hurt children, towns in total rubble, etc. They even talked about the story of the 3 year old boy who washed up on a shore dead. Yes, this story was debunked here on GLP and if memory serves me found that Alnon (or whatever the kids name was), was actually killed by his father and it was a propaganda shoot or something like that.

During the slide show questions and statements flooded the pictures shown like "Jesus was a refugee", "there was no room at the Inn when Jesus was born, don't be an inn keeper", etc. I literally almost vomited and had to control my emotions cause my soul was SCREAMING inside. I seriously almost stood up and started screaming about how blind our church leaders were being. My husband had to grab my wrist to stop me from blurting out obscenities.

Our pastor asked this man who is helping these "refugees" how we can know they are "safe". His response was that in all the history of refugees coming from syria starting in the 80's that NONE have committed acts of terrorism. He went on to say that many are Christians and the ones who are muslim have been visiting area churches wanting to know more about "Christianity".

I wanted to scream WAKE THE F%^$ UP!!!!! It's a sham! The refugees who are coming in are NOT Christian and they are NOT families. i'd venture that over 98% are young fighting age males. The numbers this man shared about how many have already come into California blew my mind. He said OVER 35,000 have already moved into Southern California this year ALONE!!!

I hate to say it but we are on the verge of being F%&^ed in the arse. Today totally blindsided me because my church has never supported a cause like this or gotten involved in something so controversial. The mood in the congregation changed, people were visibly uncomfortable. The man from the agency spoke about ISIS and their vetting process. He tried to reassure over 1000 people that their vetting process works.

I call BULLSHIT....Better yet I call PIG SHIT! I am SO totally sick over this I likely won't go back to my church. I am just totally blown away. People need to wake the frick up. These are NOT our friends. These are NOT people we can trust. There is NO vetting process that works. It's been proven and even reported in the media that our vetting process DOESN:T work.

As a Christian, I get it, we are suppose to help others. HOWEVER, I will NOT sacrifice my families safety for this cause. Jesus doesn't want us to welcome the enemy.

I gotta take my daughter to a birthday party so i'll be offline for awhile but wanted to vent and share this. Thanks for listening to my rant. XOXO

boom33
 Quoting: TrixieMama


Your spirit is not aligned with Christ that is why you react as you do, many shall be counted as hypocrites perhaps look at yourself as a Christian and see are you truly living tot he standard required. Blessed are they who understand the meaning of compassion who pray also for their enemy's, thou is overcome by fear giving by the adversary and the result is hatred.
 Quoting: LightofChrist 47437800


you don't have a clue and I'm gonna explain exactly why.

the most important thing to understand about Christianity IMO is what the NT has to say about the Ten Commandments.

the Commandments are referred to as the "ministry of death" in the NT.

since you profess to believe in the NT, this is what you believe in.

it's as simple as that.

...


And your doctrine says that you believe in the Ten Commandments when the NT says exactly the opposite.
 Quoting: RTS REDUX


I'm disappointed this post didn't get any attention.

Here's the PROOF.

The Ten Commandments are called the "Ministry of Death" in the NT.

Enmity- A deep seated hatred. (From Latin: enemy)

Ephesians 2:15-16
“By abolishing in his flesh the enmity, which is the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in himself he might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace, and might reconcile them both in one body to God through the cross, by having put to death the enmity.”

Hebrews 7:18-19
“For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and uselessness. For the law made nothing perfect.”

Hebrews 8:13
“When he said “A new covenant” he has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.”

Romans 7:9-10
“I was once alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin became alive and I died. And this commandment which was to result in life, proved to result in death for me

2 Corinthians 3:7-11
“But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved in stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, how will the ministry of the spirit fail to be even more with glory? For if the ministry of condemnation has glory, how much more does the ministry of righteousness abound in glory. For indeed what had glory, in this case has no glory because of the glory which surpasses it. For if that which fades away was with glory, much more that which remains is in glory.

1 John 2:8
“I am writing a new commandment to you, which is true in him and in you, because the darkness is passing away and the true light is already shining”.

Galatians 2:19
“For through the law I died to the law.”

1 Corinthians 6:12
“All things are lawful for me.”
Thread: I Support Israel Thread (If you stand for Israel show your love) (Page 23)
 Quoting: RTS REDUX

 Quoting: RTS REDUX


Can thou say death has no claim to ye? can you with all certain say you cant die and know what awaits in death and the future holds. If thou can not perhaps judging is not wise either for I can say such things. More than is known in scriptures is known to me and the meanings of each is revealed in it appointment of timing.
 Quoting: LightofChrist 68693267


I didn't put anything into my own words. I just quoted what you believe word for word from the NT.

It says what it says.

whether you believe what it says is up to you.
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Re: My Church Wants to Support "Refugee's"....I almost puked during the presentation.
I go to a mega church in my area and have been really, really happy there....until this morning.

As part of the "Christmas" offering they are asking for money to go to three causes. The second cause I would support because it is local and affects my community. The third cause however made me almost puke as they presented it this morning.

They had the founder of a non profit group speak about the Syrian crisis and how our church wants to help support this cause. They played pictures on the big screens of children, women crying holding dirty, hurt children, towns in total rubble, etc. They even talked about the story of the 3 year old boy who washed up on a shore dead. Yes, this story was debunked here on GLP and if memory serves me found that Alnon (or whatever the kids name was), was actually killed by his father and it was a propaganda shoot or something like that.

During the slide show questions and statements flooded the pictures shown like "Jesus was a refugee", "there was no room at the Inn when Jesus was born, don't be an inn keeper", etc. I literally almost vomited and had to control my emotions cause my soul was SCREAMING inside. I seriously almost stood up and started screaming about how blind our church leaders were being. My husband had to grab my wrist to stop me from blurting out obscenities.

Our pastor asked this man who is helping these "refugees" how we can know they are "safe". His response was that in all the history of refugees coming from syria starting in the 80's that NONE have committed acts of terrorism. He went on to say that many are Christians and the ones who are muslim have been visiting area churches wanting to know more about "Christianity".

I wanted to scream WAKE THE F%^$ UP!!!!! It's a sham! The refugees who are coming in are NOT Christian and they are NOT families. i'd venture that over 98% are young fighting age males. The numbers this man shared about how many have already come into California blew my mind. He said OVER 35,000 have already moved into Southern California this year ALONE!!!

I hate to say it but we are on the verge of being F%&^ed in the arse. Today totally blindsided me because my church has never supported a cause like this or gotten involved in something so controversial. The mood in the congregation changed, people were visibly uncomfortable. The man from the agency spoke about ISIS and their vetting process. He tried to reassure over 1000 people that their vetting process works.

I call BULLSHIT....Better yet I call PIG SHIT! I am SO totally sick over this I likely won't go back to my church. I am just totally blown away. People need to wake the frick up. These are NOT our friends. These are NOT people we can trust. There is NO vetting process that works. It's been proven and even reported in the media that our vetting process DOESN:T work.

As a Christian, I get it, we are suppose to help others. HOWEVER, I will NOT sacrifice my families safety for this cause. Jesus doesn't want us to welcome the enemy.

I gotta take my daughter to a birthday party so i'll be offline for awhile but wanted to vent and share this. Thanks for listening to my rant. XOXO

boom33
 Quoting: TrixieMama


Are you aware those refugees are real people right? Show some compassion. The world don't need any more hate. And I can say from my personal experience that I think muslims are more friendly than Christians. They are NOT evil people. ISIS are NOT Islam. That exactly what they want you to believe. Stop watching the news
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