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My Church Wants to Support "Refugee's"....I almost puked during the presentation.

 
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Just want to say one thing. You said *Jesus doesn't want us to welcome the enemy*.

Every refugee is not your *enemy*.
 Quoting: Sloane


Yet we know the enemy is hidden among them so by your logic we should take them all in even if that means leting in our enemies to kill us. So if there was bowl of M&Ms and in amongst them was poison that would kill you but you have know way of knowing which M&Ms are the poison would you still eat the M&Ms or pass on it?
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Re: My Church Wants to Support "Refugee's"....I almost puked during the presentation.
Ok, let me get this straight...and I'm not being a smartass, I am being serious and asking legit questions - In order to be a "good Christian", does one need to ignore the human need for self-preservation? Does Altruism, or what's good for someone else and theirs, trump what's good for you and yours every time?

Are Christians familiar with Taquiya and the Talmudic passages that state it is okay to lie to gentiles because they are not human? Does Christianity have any concepts that allow deceit for certain reasons or circumstances? Do Christians always believe that others are always honest with them, as they feel they are to others?
 Quoting: Little Red Hen


Altruism...NO! We are to think upon things that are true, noble, right, pure, lovely, admirable, excellent or praiseworthy, we are to fill our minds with such things - but I believe the key here is the foundation of all these things being true!

We are to put others ahead of ourselves, but any insinuation that we are to hand people over to enemies that will slaughter them would be an act of cowardice - cowards are numbered among the hell bound:

But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death” (Rev 21:1-8).

Deceit is not allowed however, Rahab lied to the soldiers to protect the spies...she is numbered in the "hall of faith" in The Book of Hebrews, so, her act was based on righteous belief - she was never admonished for lying in that case! If a raving psyco came to you and demanded to know where one of your loved ones were...would you tell him?

I personally tend to be very optimistic but am not a "moran" when it comes to assuming others intentions are pure and honest! I have and will again allow myself to be taken advantage of when it comes to such matters! im in the construction business and am often giving up money, materials and time for the sake of choosing to walk in God honoring humility...mostly related to subs, but on occasion the customers themselves, but I don't often do so in ignorance! God keeps the accounts and ours is to trust and rely on Him!
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I go to a mega church in my area and have been really, really happy there....until this morning.

As part of the "Christmas" offering they are asking for money to go to three causes. The second cause I would support because it is local and affects my community. The third cause however made me almost puke as they presented it this morning.

They had the founder of a non profit group speak about the Syrian crisis and how our church wants to help support this cause. They played pictures on the big screens of children, women crying holding dirty, hurt children, towns in total rubble, etc. They even talked about the story of the 3 year old boy who washed up on a shore dead. Yes, this story was debunked here on GLP and if memory serves me found that Alnon (or whatever the kids name was), was actually killed by his father and it was a propaganda shoot or something like that.

During the slide show questions and statements flooded the pictures shown like "Jesus was a refugee", "there was no room at the Inn when Jesus was born, don't be an inn keeper", etc. I literally almost vomited and had to control my emotions cause my soul was SCREAMING inside. I seriously almost stood up and started screaming about how blind our church leaders were being. My husband had to grab my wrist to stop me from blurting out obscenities.

Our pastor asked this man who is helping these "refugees" how we can know they are "safe". His response was that in all the history of refugees coming from syria starting in the 80's that NONE have committed acts of terrorism. He went on to say that many are Christians and the ones who are muslim have been visiting area churches wanting to know more about "Christianity".

I wanted to scream WAKE THE F%^$ UP!!!!! It's a sham! The refugees who are coming in are NOT Christian and they are NOT families. i'd venture that over 98% are young fighting age males. The numbers this man shared about how many have already come into California blew my mind. He said OVER 35,000 have already moved into Southern California this year ALONE!!!

I hate to say it but we are on the verge of being F%&^ed in the arse. Today totally blindsided me because my church has never supported a cause like this or gotten involved in something so controversial. The mood in the congregation changed, people were visibly uncomfortable. The man from the agency spoke about ISIS and their vetting process. He tried to reassure over 1000 people that their vetting process works.

I call BULLSHIT....Better yet I call PIG SHIT! I am SO totally sick over this I likely won't go back to my church. I am just totally blown away. People need to wake the frick up. These are NOT our friends. These are NOT people we can trust. There is NO vetting process that works. It's been proven and even reported in the media that our vetting process DOESN:T work.

As a Christian, I get it, we are suppose to help others. HOWEVER, I will NOT sacrifice my families safety for this cause. Jesus doesn't want us to welcome the enemy.

I gotta take my daughter to a birthday party so i'll be offline for awhile but wanted to vent and share this. Thanks for listening to my rant. XOXO

boom33
 Quoting: TrixieMama


Write a letter to your church telling them why you are leaving them. You will have a positive impact that way.
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Perhaps if half the church left. But why stay with people so out of touch with what is happening politically that they willingly invite their own demise?

BTW. Its a goof chance the Church and staff will be very, very well paid by the federal government for helping.

This is politics for profit not charity. This is the thirty pieces of silver for destroying the white, Christian middle class.
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My husband's family stopped going to their church many years ago when they got a new pastor who started getting political. His dad was a deacon there and they were quite involved. In fact, it really turned my FIL away from God which is a huge SIN on the part of the church. I think you should make your displeasure known. Tell them it's based on a lie.
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I go to a mega church in my area and have been really, really happy there....until this morning.

As part of the "Christmas" offering they are asking for money to go to three causes. The second cause I would support because it is local and affects my community. The third cause however made me almost puke as they presented it this morning.

They had the founder of a non profit group speak about the Syrian crisis and how our church wants to help support this cause. They played pictures on the big screens of children, women crying holding dirty, hurt children, towns in total rubble, etc. They even talked about the story of the 3 year old boy who washed up on a shore dead. Yes, this story was debunked here on GLP and if memory serves me found that Alnon (or whatever the kids name was), was actually killed by his father and it was a propaganda shoot or something like that.

During the slide show questions and statements flooded the pictures shown like "Jesus was a refugee", "there was no room at the Inn when Jesus was born, don't be an inn keeper", etc. I literally almost vomited and had to control my emotions cause my soul was SCREAMING inside. I seriously almost stood up and started screaming about how blind our church leaders were being. My husband had to grab my wrist to stop me from blurting out obscenities.

Our pastor asked this man who is helping these "refugees" how we can know they are "safe". His response was that in all the history of refugees coming from syria starting in the 80's that NONE have committed acts of terrorism. He went on to say that many are Christians and the ones who are muslim have been visiting area churches wanting to know more about "Christianity".

I wanted to scream WAKE THE F%^$ UP!!!!! It's a sham! The refugees who are coming in are NOT Christian and they are NOT families. i'd venture that over 98% are young fighting age males. The numbers this man shared about how many have already come into California blew my mind. He said OVER 35,000 have already moved into Southern California this year ALONE!!!

I hate to say it but we are on the verge of being F%&^ed in the arse. Today totally blindsided me because my church has never supported a cause like this or gotten involved in something so controversial. The mood in the congregation changed, people were visibly uncomfortable. The man from the agency spoke about ISIS and their vetting process. He tried to reassure over 1000 people that their vetting process works.

I call BULLSHIT....Better yet I call PIG SHIT! I am SO totally sick over this I likely won't go back to my church. I am just totally blown away. People need to wake the frick up. These are NOT our friends. These are NOT people we can trust. There is NO vetting process that works. It's been proven and even reported in the media that our vetting process DOESN:T work.

As a Christian, I get it, we are suppose to help others. HOWEVER, I will NOT sacrifice my families safety for this cause. Jesus doesn't want us to welcome the enemy.

I gotta take my daughter to a birthday party so i'll be offline for awhile but wanted to vent and share this. Thanks for listening to my rant. XOXO

boom33
 Quoting: TrixieMama


Perhaps, just perhaps Church isn't the place for you.

Whatever it is you are doing is wrong, all wrong!

Religion and anger/hate are at different ends of the spectrum.

Like I said you are doing it all wrong.

Satan is deceiving you.


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Ok, let me get this straight...and I'm not being a smartass, I am being serious and asking legit questions - In order to be a "good Christian", does one need to ignore the human need for self-preservation? Does Altruism, or what's good for someone else and theirs, trump what's good for you and yours every time?

Are Christians familiar with Taquiya and the Talmudic passages that state it is okay to lie to gentiles because they are not human? Does Christianity have any concepts that allow deceit for certain reasons or circumstances? Do Christians always believe that others are always honest with them, as they feel they are to others?
 Quoting: Little Red Hen


Altruism...NO! We are to think upon things that are true, noble, right, pure, lovely, admirable, excellent or praiseworthy, we are to fill our minds with such things - but I believe the key here is the foundation of all these things being true!

We are to put others ahead of ourselves, but any insinuation that we are to hand people over to enemies that will slaughter them would be an act of cowardice - cowards are numbered among the hell bound:

But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death” (Rev 21:1-8).

Deceit is not allowed however, Rahab lied to the soldiers to protect the spies...she is numbered in the "hall of faith" in The Book of Hebrews, so, her act was based on righteous belief - she was never admonished for lying in that case! If a raving psyco came to you and demanded to know where one of your loved ones were...would you tell him?

I personally tend to be very optimistic but am not a "moran" when it comes to assuming others intentions are pure and honest! I have and will again allow myself to be taken advantage of when it comes to such matters! im in the construction business and am often giving up money, materials and time for the sake of choosing to walk in God honoring humility...mostly related to subs, but on occasion the customers themselves, but I don't often do so in ignorance! God keeps the accounts and ours is to trust and rely on Him!
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Just want to say one thing. You said *Jesus doesn't want us to welcome the enemy*.

Every refugee is not your *enemy*.
 Quoting: Sloane


Not every refugee is a refugee.

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Sure, welcome them.

Give them a nice big bacon breakfast and a Christmas ham!
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Dig this. Open your bible, read. BAM! Your in church. You can still donate to help your community with utilities or food, of course. Jesus IS The high priest. We don't need a "middle man" anymore.

I'm not ragging on any preachers, but yeah, if you hear them leading you to the culling blade, gtfo.

On the last day, many will say "but master, we prophesied and cast out demons in your name." And He will say, "I never knew you."

He is all knowing, lulz to those that believe they will escape out of His judgements. Best get your heart right.

I'm not perfect by any means, lmao. BUT, i don't have any desire to watch my fellowman suffer as i live on a pedestal. Screw that, i wanna see ALL prosper, unlike forked tounged holy men. And again, there are many wonderful preachers out there. Just be discerning.
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And you've been giving money to that church week after week? LOL

Vote with your wallet and stop supporting traitorous churches.
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Yes why would you keep going to a place where you could not actually get up and object when the leader says something you know is wrong?

You had the right impulse when you wanted to get up and do that. But yes it would have pissed off many of those "mega" people there. (Are you in Houston? I know Houston has a lot of those mega churches.) And so you are more of a truth seeker than they are.

If what's dispensed during services isn't truth, as deep as it can be found, and even lies are passed unopposed ...

Why do you even pay your time and your money and your credibility to go and sit for that crap??
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And What about the christian Syrians ?

If its not An American Christian it does not have a right to live .....?
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They are not being allowed in if they are Christian, from what I've read. Less than 2% that have come here are Christians, but there are many Christians still trying to get out of that area.

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It is a SIN for them to turn people away from the church, from God. You know what the Bible says about making this happen. They are not behaving as ambassadors for God but of the politicians. Are you going to put up with this?
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You should have stood up and stated what is really happening with this so called refugee problem. No doubt others in your congregation share your opinions. If no one speaks out nothing will be done to stop it. The next time you go there you better say something.
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yes. if you plan to leave the church, make sure you tell them you are leaving and WHY

next they will be officiating gay marriages

the mainstream church is falling away

we will be held accountable on judgment day for our choices.

your pastor needs to know why you are leaving. im sure you're not the only one
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Dig this. Open your bible, read. BAM! Your in church. You can still donate to help your community with utilities or food, of course. Jesus IS The high priest. We don't need a "middle man" anymore.

I'm not ragging on any preachers, but yeah, if you hear them leading you to the culling blade, gtfo.

On the last day, many will say "but master, we prophesied and cast out demons in your name." And He will say, "I never knew you."

He is all knowing, lulz to those that believe they will escape out of His judgements. Best get your heart right.

I'm not perfect by any means, lmao. BUT, i don't have any desire to watch my fellowman suffer as i live on a pedestal. Screw that, i wanna see ALL prosper, unlike forked tounged holy men. And again, there are many wonderful preachers out there. Just be discerning.
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And skip concordances and such. Just read the Word, in whatever translation you have available, skipping anyone else's commentary. I used KJV, but it's probably no better than other translations. The important thing is to start.
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Is this mega-church cccm by chance?
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mega churches are for sheep. sorry OP.
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hesright

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Second mistake, believing there is a God.
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You should have stood up and stated what is really happening with this so called refugee problem. No doubt others in your congregation share your opinions. If no one speaks out nothing will be done to stop it. The next time you go there you better say something.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70697114


yes. if you plan to leave the church, make sure you tell them you are leaving and WHY

next they will be officiating gay marriages

the mainstream church is falling away

we will be held accountable on judgment day for our choices.

your pastor needs to know why you are leaving. im sure you're not the only one
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I respect Salt's opinion on this, because I recall she is or was somehow in the church business. I would personally just forget all about that organization and spend the same time reading my Bible without anyone suggesting what part to read or telling me what it means. But Salt makes a good point here, so please do that too.
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My husband's family stopped going to their church many years ago when they got a new pastor who started getting political. His dad was a deacon there and they were quite involved. In fact, it really turned my FIL away from God which is a huge SIN on the part of the church. I think you should make your displeasure known. Tell them it's based on a lie.
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Well its a shame to be fighting for your life against the Marxist globalists who are planning your slaughter and then see half you neighbors and your "church," happily going along with the program as though the sky are blue and their fat, happy retirement in Florida is waiting for them in a few years.

Normalcy bias is a disease and the people in this country have it big time. On the other hand, all indications 2016 will be a very disturbing year. The year many expected in 2012. This may well be the last normal Christmas. So enjoy.
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'churches' that take the tax exemption will do the gubbmints bidding, will enact gubbmint doctrine, the state is now 'god' and they are state subsidised 'churches'.
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mega churches are for sheep. sorry OP.
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hesright

First mistake, going to a Church. Correct!
Second mistake, believing there is a God. Probably wrong!
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A lot of distinguished scientists believe there is a God (so if they're not too sophisticated to think that, who is?), but I'm pretty sure they consider most of what's said in "church" to be gobbledygook.
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Inviting outsiders in to be taken care of by others is THEFT not charity.
If they want to bring them in them they should be fully responsible for them, their keep and their costs, not set them free to rob and rape others.
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I go to a mega church in my area and have been really, really happy there....until this morning.

As part of the "Christmas" offering they are asking for money to go to three causes. The second cause I would support because it is local and affects my community. The third cause however made me almost puke as they presented it this morning.

They had the founder of a non profit group speak about the Syrian crisis and how our church wants to help support this cause. They played pictures on the big screens of children, women crying holding dirty, hurt children, towns in total rubble, etc. They even talked about the story of the 3 year old boy who washed up on a shore dead. Yes, this story was debunked here on GLP and if memory serves me found that Alnon (or whatever the kids name was), was actually killed by his father and it was a propaganda shoot or something like that.

During the slide show questions and statements flooded the pictures shown like "Jesus was a refugee", "there was no room at the Inn when Jesus was born, don't be an inn keeper", etc. I literally almost vomited and had to control my emotions cause my soul was SCREAMING inside. I seriously almost stood up and started screaming about how blind our church leaders were being. My husband had to grab my wrist to stop me from blurting out obscenities.

Our pastor asked this man who is helping these "refugees" how we can know they are "safe". His response was that in all the history of refugees coming from syria starting in the 80's that NONE have committed acts of terrorism. He went on to say that many are Christians and the ones who are muslim have been visiting area churches wanting to know more about "Christianity".

I wanted to scream WAKE THE F%^$ UP!!!!! It's a sham! The refugees who are coming in are NOT Christian and they are NOT families. i'd venture that over 98% are young fighting age males. The numbers this man shared about how many have already come into California blew my mind. He said OVER 35,000 have already moved into Southern California this year ALONE!!!

I hate to say it but we are on the verge of being F%&^ed in the arse. Today totally blindsided me because my church has never supported a cause like this or gotten involved in something so controversial. The mood in the congregation changed, people were visibly uncomfortable. The man from the agency spoke about ISIS and their vetting process. He tried to reassure over 1000 people that their vetting process works.

I call BULLSHIT....Better yet I call PIG SHIT! I am SO totally sick over this I likely won't go back to my church. I am just totally blown away. People need to wake the frick up. These are NOT our friends. These are NOT people we can trust. There is NO vetting process that works. It's been proven and even reported in the media that our vetting process DOESN:T work.

As a Christian, I get it, we are suppose to help others. HOWEVER, I will NOT sacrifice my families safety for this cause. Jesus doesn't want us to welcome the enemy.

I gotta take my daughter to a birthday party so i'll be offline for awhile but wanted to vent and share this. Thanks for listening to my rant. XOXO

boom33
 Quoting: TrixieMama


Your spirit is not aligned with Christ that is why you react as you do, many shall be counted as hypocrites perhaps look at yourself as a Christian and see are you truly living tot he standard required. Blessed are they who understand the meaning of compassion who pray also for their enemy's, thou is overcome by fear giving by the adversary and the result is hatred.
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So...in other words you are really are sayin
'Blessed are they that bendeth over for their enemies?'
tsk, tsk...
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Jesus would be Sickened At the Religion That has formed in his Name .
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Jesus would be Sickened At the Religion That has formed in his Name .
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Truth. It's really so sad.

Go ahead and make your stand - but don't do it in the name of Jesus.
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Please remove the apostrophe in refugees. It is plural, just add an s. It is not difficult.
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mega churches are for sheep. sorry OP.
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hesright

First mistake, going to a Church.
Second mistake, believing there is a God.
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Your first mistake, mistaking a Church for a building

Second mistake, believing being an atheist is anything more than bad high school level philosophy.
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Good job being a racist, prejudiced christian. Oh wait, thats all of the uneducated Christians. Keep the fear mongering up:)
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Re: My Church Wants to Support "Refugee's"....I almost puked during the presentation.
Ok, let me get this straight...and I'm not being a smartass, I am being serious and asking legit questions - In order to be a "good Christian", does one need to ignore the human need for self-preservation? Does Altruism, or what's good for someone else and theirs, trump what's good for you and yours every time?

Are Christians familiar with Taquiya and the Talmudic passages that state it is okay to lie to gentiles because they are not human? Does Christianity have any concepts that allow deceit for certain reasons or circumstances? Do Christians always believe that others are always honest with them, as they feel they are to others?
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Altruism...NO! We are to think upon things that are true, noble, right, pure, lovely, admirable, excellent or praiseworthy, we are to fill our minds with such things - but I believe the key here is the foundation of all these things being true!

We are to put others ahead of ourselves, but any insinuation that we are to hand people over to enemies that will slaughter them would be an act of cowardice - cowards are numbered among the hell bound:

But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death” (Rev 21:1-8).

Deceit is not allowed however, Rahab lied to the soldiers to protect the spies...she is numbered in the "hall of faith" in The Book of Hebrews, so, her act was based on righteous belief - she was never admonished for lying in that case! If a raving psyco came to you and demanded to know where one of your loved ones were...would you tell him?

I personally tend to be very optimistic but am not a "moran" when it comes to assuming others intentions are pure and honest! I have and will again allow myself to be taken advantage of when it comes to such matters! im in the construction business and am often giving up money, materials and time for the sake of choosing to walk in God honoring humility...mostly related to subs, but on occasion the customers themselves, but I don't often do so in ignorance! God keeps the accounts and ours is to trust and rely on Him!
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Hold on a minute. Why not post a clear thought and less unclear thoughts?
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Lol...sorry
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Re: My Church Wants to Support "Refugee's"....I almost puked during the presentation.
'churches' that take the tax exemption will do the gubbmints bidding, will enact gubbmint doctrine, the state is now 'god' and they are state subsidised 'churches'.
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You know, I've always thought the church should be tax exempt but this system has become so corrupt, I think all 521's or any other similar tax sheltered venture, should be outlawed. Let them all be outlawed. Pay the taxes they LOVE so much.
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Re: My Church Wants to Support "Refugee's"....I almost puked during the presentation.
I go to a mega church in my area and have been really, really happy there....until this morning.

As part of the "Christmas" offering they are asking for money to go to three causes. The second cause I would support because it is local and affects my community. The third cause however made me almost puke as they presented it this morning.

They had the founder of a non profit group speak about the Syrian crisis and how our church wants to help support this cause. They played pictures on the big screens of children, women crying holding dirty, hurt children, towns in total rubble, etc. They even talked about the story of the 3 year old boy who washed up on a shore dead. Yes, this story was debunked here on GLP and if memory serves me found that Alnon (or whatever the kids name was), was actually killed by his father and it was a propaganda shoot or something like that.

During the slide show questions and statements flooded the pictures shown like "Jesus was a refugee", "there was no room at the Inn when Jesus was born, don't be an inn keeper", etc. I literally almost vomited and had to control my emotions cause my soul was SCREAMING inside. I seriously almost stood up and started screaming about how blind our church leaders were being. My husband had to grab my wrist to stop me from blurting out obscenities.

Our pastor asked this man who is helping these "refugees" how we can know they are "safe". His response was that in all the history of refugees coming from syria starting in the 80's that NONE have committed acts of terrorism. He went on to say that many are Christians and the ones who are muslim have been visiting area churches wanting to know more about "Christianity".

I wanted to scream WAKE THE F%^$ UP!!!!! It's a sham! The refugees who are coming in are NOT Christian and they are NOT families. i'd venture that over 98% are young fighting age males. The numbers this man shared about how many have already come into California blew my mind. He said OVER 35,000 have already moved into Southern California this year ALONE!!!

I hate to say it but we are on the verge of being F%&^ed in the arse. Today totally blindsided me because my church has never supported a cause like this or gotten involved in something so controversial. The mood in the congregation changed, people were visibly uncomfortable. The man from the agency spoke about ISIS and their vetting process. He tried to reassure over 1000 people that their vetting process works.

I call BULLSHIT....Better yet I call PIG SHIT! I am SO totally sick over this I likely won't go back to my church. I am just totally blown away. People need to wake the frick up. These are NOT our friends. These are NOT people we can trust. There is NO vetting process that works. It's been proven and even reported in the media that our vetting process DOESN:T work.

As a Christian, I get it, we are suppose to help others. HOWEVER, I will NOT sacrifice my families safety for this cause. Jesus doesn't want us to welcome the enemy.

I gotta take my daughter to a birthday party so i'll be offline for awhile but wanted to vent and share this. Thanks for listening to my rant. XOXO

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 Quoting: TrixieMama


Leave the Church. If they aid, in bringing non Christians into America, those sin's those non Christians commit, will be on the heads of every member of that Congregation.





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