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Birth Certificate Estate-Two Birthdates Exposed!!!

 
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knowitallitus

realizing we have it is half the battle.
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I dont get what persons like fellow man and WWch think this subject matter is actually about.

you folks are talking about messing with the treasury accounts with a Government that kills and imprisons people as a matter of routine. this is a war on a pyshical and spiritual level.

you cant even back you claims and processes when pressed on a written forum like GLP without getting your panties all stained but you want to accuse people who have actually faced the beast and oversome it of being in "error".

grow up or you will be chewed up and spit out by the machine you THINK you can control.
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knowitallitus

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then seek treatment, because knownothingitus but thinking you know is worse.
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fellowman and his crew go to town

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Clicked for maybe good info...

Im more confused than ever.


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for the last time, there is no way to "claim" something that is not "yours". There is no "estate" to claim.

You had nothing to do with the creation of the BC, it was done without your consent, without your knowledge or voluntary compliance. It was also ABANDONED by your parents, who had and have the ONLY lawful and legal claim on that paperwork.

You are hereby warned: nothing, not UCC, not common law, not religious law, no county record, no state paperwork, NOTHING will change those facts and nothing will get back what was not yours to begin with.

If you have children under 7 years old you MIGHT be able to do something.

Those are the facts, like them or not. And if anyone tells you different, demand PROOF, not theory, not "I think" not anything but PROOF and and EXACT step by step process how they got it done. if they want to charge for it, tell them AFTER you get the results, you will pay them, not before.

The reason this topic is confusing is because its mostly "opinion" and "a personal quest" or some other feel good bunch of new age crap, but KNOW this, people have gotten themselves put into prison, killed or into armed confrontations with Government goons by thinking and acting without respect for law and proven processes.

By all means, study and learn but when you PUSH some of the self proclaimed experts for PROOF and they cant or wont provide it, you better part ways and seek something else, the maxim of law "buyer beware" is in full effect and none of the gurus, posers or reasearchers on youtube or talkshoe are going to go to prison for you when their "ideas" get you into trouble.

that being said, if you are interested in proven, applicable process you can start here Thread: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul read and study that thread for 6 months or so before doing anything.
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12usc411 is interesting. I was writing that post about a lawful money guy rant before I saw it posted here. lol

lawful money guy, IMO = In My Opinion.

that is my opinion. YMMV

Im more interested in how this other postr has interpreted 12s411 now since the topic is about BCs.
 Quoting: fellow man 29203778


Apologies for not replying sooner.

This is not legal advice and I don't know if this is the correct path or not but it seems to me that all of the discussions on this topic miss one very simple solution to removing oneself from slavery. A solution that is well grounded in history. Buy your way out of bondage by owning the bond! Then, only you can redeem it for it's value.

It is well established that the BC process creates a bond that is collateral against debt and is traded on the markets. It is well established that the system is maritime/pirate law and is generally operating in fraud, whereas others have seized YOUR rightful property and are profiting from it. Skulls and Bones isn't named that just for shits and giggles. It is piracy on the "high seas" of America.

Historical context: The declaration of martial law by Lincoln created the roots of this system. Lincoln also gave the Emancipation Proclamation, which "freed" the slaves. Right? According to mainstream history yes. However that is not entirely correct. The EP gave slaves the ability to work their way toward collective profit and out of slavery, called sharecropping, or outright pay for their freedom, if they had a sponsor or their own resources, called "self purchase". They became indentured servants that could buy their freedom through toil. Why does anyone think the same solution isn't available today? Nothing of substance has changed in the meantime, just further codification of the same post-EP slave system. So, if a black man in 1833 or 1865 could buy his way to freedom, why can't you?

Additional data points to consider:
1) The issued bonds are traded but are they cashed in for their value? No, they are rolled over! If you follow the modern bond markets at all, you see that yield and price are the two major indicators. Perhaps when it comes to your bond there is a difference between the value of YOUR bond and the price of YOUR bond? Since the system is a fraud and based on piracy, the bond is your property and therefore the value is rightfully YOURS. The pirates profit on the sale and circulation of YOUR bond but can they realize the value of your bond? Only you can claim ownership of YOUR bond and therefore the value of the bond. So then, can YOUR BOND be redeemed for value?

2) Fidelity Investments website (check out their logo!) apparently used to have the ability to look up the value of YOUR bond online but halted that functionality when it became too publicized. People claimed values displayed in the millions of dollars while it was still possible. No one thinks a bond trader paid a million dollars for YOUR singular bond. Therefore, it must be concluded that the "price" of the bond and the "value" of the bond are different. The bond trader/holder/buyer can only trade the bond for nominal profits such as small yields for holding the bond or price arbitrage.

YOU, as the true owner of the bond through YOUR ACTUAL LIFE breathing life into the bond, and your BC being the instrument that created it, but who has not claimed ownership of YOUR bond (YOUR ESTATE) are the only one who can redeem YOUR bond for its full value. The bond "matured" when you turned 18. I don't think it's coincidence that the age of "majority" and the word "maturity" are phonetically similar and generally mean the same thing! What does a bond do? It matures!

So, the simple way out of slavery in this system is the same as it was 150 years ago. Buy your bond. Then probably redeem the bond for full value. Of course, the way you prove yourself as the rightful owner of the bond is with your authenticated BC. Why authenticated? Because the Fed is a foreign bank, owned by foreigners and the US Treasury is in a foreign country/territory called the District of Columbina. US Secretary of State needs to authenticate documents before they can be used in foreign countries ;)

There's my logic. Locate and purchase your bond back, then redeem it for it's full value. Thoughts?

(If you read this thread and it later disappears down the GLP memory hole, you will know this is the correct path to follow.)
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12usc411 is interesting. I was writing that post about a lawful money guy rant before I saw it posted here. lol

lawful money guy, IMO = In My Opinion.

that is my opinion. YMMV

Im more interested in how this other postr has interpreted 12s411 now since the topic is about BCs.
 Quoting: fellow man 29203778


Apologies for not replying sooner.

This is not legal advice and I don't know if this is the correct path or not but it seems to me that all of the discussions on this topic miss one very simple solution to removing oneself from slavery. A solution that is well grounded in history. Buy your way out of bondage by owning the bond! Then, only you can redeem it for it's value.

It is well established that the BC process creates a bond that is collateral against debt and is traded on the markets. It is well established that the system is maritime/pirate law and is generally operating in fraud, whereas others have seized YOUR rightful property and are profiting from it. Skulls and Bones isn't named that just for shits and giggles. It is piracy on the "high seas" of America.

Historical context: The declaration of martial law by Lincoln created the roots of this system. Lincoln also gave the Emancipation Proclamation, which "freed" the slaves. Right? According to mainstream history yes. However that is not entirely correct. The EP gave slaves the ability to work their way toward collective profit and out of slavery, called sharecropping, or outright pay for their freedom, if they had a sponsor or their own resources, called "self purchase". They became indentured servants that could buy their freedom through toil. Why does anyone think the same solution isn't available today? Nothing of substance has changed in the meantime, just further codification of the same post-EP slave system. So, if a black man in 1833 or 1865 could buy his way to freedom, why can't you?

Additional data points to consider:
1) The issued bonds are traded but are they cashed in for their value? No, they are rolled over! If you follow the modern bond markets at all, you see that yield and price are the two major indicators. Perhaps when it comes to your bond there is a difference between the value of YOUR bond and the price of YOUR bond? Since the system is a fraud and based on piracy, the bond is your property and therefore the value is rightfully YOURS. The pirates profit on the sale and circulation of YOUR bond but can they realize the value of your bond? Only you can claim ownership of YOUR bond and therefore the value of the bond. So then, can YOUR BOND be redeemed for value?

2) Fidelity Investments website (check out their logo!) apparently used to have the ability to look up the value of YOUR bond online but halted that functionality when it became too publicized. People claimed values displayed in the millions of dollars while it was still possible. No one thinks a bond trader paid a million dollars for YOUR singular bond. Therefore, it must be concluded that the "price" of the bond and the "value" of the bond are different. The bond trader/holder/buyer can only trade the bond for nominal profits such as small yields for holding the bond or price arbitrage.

YOU, as the true owner of the bond through YOUR ACTUAL LIFE breathing life into the bond, and your BC being the instrument that created it, but who has not claimed ownership of YOUR bond (YOUR ESTATE) are the only one who can redeem YOUR bond for its full value. The bond "matured" when you turned 18. I don't think it's coincidence that the age of "majority" and the word "maturity" are phonetically similar and generally mean the same thing! What does a bond do? It matures!

So, the simple way out of slavery in this system is the same as it was 150 years ago. Buy your bond. Then probably redeem the bond for full value. Of course, the way you prove yourself as the rightful owner of the bond is with your authenticated BC. Why authenticated? Because the Fed is a foreign bank, owned by foreigners and the US Treasury is in a foreign country/territory called the District of Columbina. US Secretary of State needs to authenticate documents before they can be used in foreign countries ;)

There's my logic. Locate and purchase your bond back, then redeem it for it's full value. Thoughts?

(If you read this thread and it later disappears down the GLP memory hole, you will know this is the correct path to follow.)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15016098


There is plenty wrong with that entire concept. The "bond" was not yours, it belonged to your mother and father, The debt created by them in using the "goods and services" of the Hospital, Doctor or midwife was NOT PAID (fiat currency cannot pay for anything). The BC was registration of a product (the little land mass survey of a man child) which was promised to the State as collateral to pay for the DEBT.

All this talk about bonds and debt and "payment" is false because everything those insturments represent is DEBT and nothing but gold and silver coin is tender for payment of debt.

Now, any "legal" "tender" can be used to discharge a debt, but the DEBT is not PAID. Discharge is Not payment.

So, fellow man, kindly explain how one can "pay for a bond" (which you mistaten as being "yours" even though it was not even created by you nor were any rights to it ever assigned to you) (surely you can produce a contract proving such an agreement between you and your parents or state exists) WITHOUT proving the bond or the debt it was created to record and stand as collateral for was ever PAID for with gold or silver coin or United states treasury notes backed directly and at face value with gold or silver coins or reserve bullion of lawful weight and purity?

Please answer those questions and do not use the excuse that my condisending tone is a lawful excuse for not paying your debt (or your parents debt) or backing your claims of lawful process or the alleged lawful function of your stated process.

What proof do you have any property related to ANY bond is "yours"?
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fellow man, on a personal note, if you think all this BC bond issue is new info or concept to me, I am sitter here holding a "COLB" and a "long form COLB" which is alleged to be the record of my nativity on this physical plane.

It seems to me it must have been a decade ago I gave it some "consideration" and an "endorsement" for redemption. After much fasting, prayer and study, I did nothing to record such a catastrophic move because nobody now or at the time could actually tell me what lawful remedy it would produce.

So, it is not arrogance nor that I know it all, I do know exactly what you are posting about and I can tell you, then or now, nobody can prove it does a damn thing to "free" anyone from any obligation to pay their debts or free them from voluntary servitude to fiat currency use and endorsement.
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12usc411 is interesting. I was writing that post about a lawful money guy rant before I saw it posted here. lol

lawful money guy, IMO = In My Opinion.

that is my opinion. YMMV

Im more interested in how this other postr has interpreted 12s411 now since the topic is about BCs.
 Quoting: fellow man 29203778


Apologies for not replying sooner.

This is not legal advice and I don't know if this is the correct path or not but it seems to me that all of the discussions on this topic miss one very simple solution to removing oneself from slavery. A solution that is well grounded in history. Buy your way out of bondage by owning the bond! Then, only you can redeem it for it's value.

It is well established that the BC process creates a bond that is collateral against debt and is traded on the markets. It is well established that the system is maritime/pirate law and is generally operating in fraud, whereas others have seized YOUR rightful property and are profiting from it. Skulls and Bones isn't named that just for shits and giggles. It is piracy on the "high seas" of America.

Historical context: The declaration of martial law by Lincoln created the roots of this system. Lincoln also gave the Emancipation Proclamation, which "freed" the slaves. Right? According to mainstream history yes. However that is not entirely correct. The EP gave slaves the ability to work their way toward collective profit and out of slavery, called sharecropping, or outright pay for their freedom, if they had a sponsor or their own resources, called "self purchase". They became indentured servants that could buy their freedom through toil. Why does anyone think the same solution isn't available today? Nothing of substance has changed in the meantime, just further codification of the same post-EP slave system. So, if a black man in 1833 or 1865 could buy his way to freedom, why can't you?

Additional data points to consider:
1) The issued bonds are traded but are they cashed in for their value? No, they are rolled over! If you follow the modern bond markets at all, you see that yield and price are the two major indicators. Perhaps when it comes to your bond there is a difference between the value of YOUR bond and the price of YOUR bond? Since the system is a fraud and based on piracy, the bond is your property and therefore the value is rightfully YOURS. The pirates profit on the sale and circulation of YOUR bond but can they realize the value of your bond? Only you can claim ownership of YOUR bond and therefore the value of the bond. So then, can YOUR BOND be redeemed for value?

2) Fidelity Investments website (check out their logo!) apparently used to have the ability to look up the value of YOUR bond online but halted that functionality when it became too publicized. People claimed values displayed in the millions of dollars while it was still possible. No one thinks a bond trader paid a million dollars for YOUR singular bond. Therefore, it must be concluded that the "price" of the bond and the "value" of the bond are different. The bond trader/holder/buyer can only trade the bond for nominal profits such as small yields for holding the bond or price arbitrage.

YOU, as the true owner of the bond through YOUR ACTUAL LIFE breathing life into the bond, and your BC being the instrument that created it, but who has not claimed ownership of YOUR bond (YOUR ESTATE) are the only one who can redeem YOUR bond for its full value. The bond "matured" when you turned 18. I don't think it's coincidence that the age of "majority" and the word "maturity" are phonetically similar and generally mean the same thing! What does a bond do? It matures!

So, the simple way out of slavery in this system is the same as it was 150 years ago. Buy your bond. Then probably redeem the bond for full value. Of course, the way you prove yourself as the rightful owner of the bond is with your authenticated BC. Why authenticated? Because the Fed is a foreign bank, owned by foreigners and the US Treasury is in a foreign country/territory called the District of Columbina. US Secretary of State needs to authenticate documents before they can be used in foreign countries ;)

There's my logic. Locate and purchase your bond back, then redeem it for it's full value. Thoughts?

(If you read this thread and it later disappears down the GLP memory hole, you will know this is the correct path to follow.)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15016098


There is plenty wrong with that entire concept. The "bond" was not yours, it belonged to your mother and father, The debt created by them in using the "goods and services" of the Hospital, Doctor or midwife was NOT PAID (fiat currency cannot pay for anything). The BC was registration of a product (the little land mass survey of a man child) which was promised to the State as collateral to pay for the DEBT.

All this talk about bonds and debt and "payment" is false because everything those insturments represent is DEBT and nothing but gold and silver coin is tender for payment of debt.

Now, any "legal" "tender" can be used to discharge a debt, but the DEBT is not PAID. Discharge is Not payment.

So, fellow man, kindly explain how one can "pay for a bond" (which you mistaten as being "yours" even though it was not even created by you nor were any rights to it ever assigned to you) (surely you can produce a contract proving such an agreement between you and your parents or state exists) WITHOUT proving the bond or the debt it was created to record and stand as collateral for was ever PAID for with gold or silver coin or United states treasury notes backed directly and at face value with gold or silver coins or reserve bullion of lawful weight and purity?

Please answer those questions and do not use the excuse that my condisending tone is a lawful excuse for not paying your debt (or your parents debt) or backing your claims of lawful process or the alleged lawful function of your stated process.

What proof do you have any property related to ANY bond is "yours"?
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I do not have time right now to fully respond to your reply but allow me leave to gather my thoughts and make a coherent post in the next day or so.

I will say one thing however, any debt created in fraud is not a debt at all. That simple truism would counter much of your post.

I will reply fully when able.
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12usc411 is interesting. I was writing that post about a lawful money guy rant before I saw it posted here. lol

lawful money guy, IMO = In My Opinion.

that is my opinion. YMMV

Im more interested in how this other postr has interpreted 12s411 now since the topic is about BCs.
 Quoting: fellow man 29203778


Apologies for not replying sooner.

This is not legal advice and I don't know if this is the correct path or not but it seems to me that all of the discussions on this topic miss one very simple solution to removing oneself from slavery. A solution that is well grounded in history. Buy your way out of bondage by owning the bond! Then, only you can redeem it for it's value.

It is well established that the BC process creates a bond that is collateral against debt and is traded on the markets. It is well established that the system is maritime/pirate law and is generally operating in fraud, whereas others have seized YOUR rightful property and are profiting from it. Skulls and Bones isn't named that just for shits and giggles. It is piracy on the "high seas" of America.

Historical context: The declaration of martial law by Lincoln created the roots of this system. Lincoln also gave the Emancipation Proclamation, which "freed" the slaves. Right? According to mainstream history yes. However that is not entirely correct. The EP gave slaves the ability to work their way toward collective profit and out of slavery, called sharecropping, or outright pay for their freedom, if they had a sponsor or their own resources, called "self purchase". They became indentured servants that could buy their freedom through toil. Why does anyone think the same solution isn't available today? Nothing of substance has changed in the meantime, just further codification of the same post-EP slave system. So, if a black man in 1833 or 1865 could buy his way to freedom, why can't you?

Additional data points to consider:
1) The issued bonds are traded but are they cashed in for their value? No, they are rolled over! If you follow the modern bond markets at all, you see that yield and price are the two major indicators. Perhaps when it comes to your bond there is a difference between the value of YOUR bond and the price of YOUR bond? Since the system is a fraud and based on piracy, the bond is your property and therefore the value is rightfully YOURS. The pirates profit on the sale and circulation of YOUR bond but can they realize the value of your bond? Only you can claim ownership of YOUR bond and therefore the value of the bond. So then, can YOUR BOND be redeemed for value?

2) Fidelity Investments website (check out their logo!) apparently used to have the ability to look up the value of YOUR bond online but halted that functionality when it became too publicized. People claimed values displayed in the millions of dollars while it was still possible. No one thinks a bond trader paid a million dollars for YOUR singular bond. Therefore, it must be concluded that the "price" of the bond and the "value" of the bond are different. The bond trader/holder/buyer can only trade the bond for nominal profits such as small yields for holding the bond or price arbitrage.

YOU, as the true owner of the bond through YOUR ACTUAL LIFE breathing life into the bond, and your BC being the instrument that created it, but who has not claimed ownership of YOUR bond (YOUR ESTATE) are the only one who can redeem YOUR bond for its full value. The bond "matured" when you turned 18. I don't think it's coincidence that the age of "majority" and the word "maturity" are phonetically similar and generally mean the same thing! What does a bond do? It matures!

So, the simple way out of slavery in this system is the same as it was 150 years ago. Buy your bond. Then probably redeem the bond for full value. Of course, the way you prove yourself as the rightful owner of the bond is with your authenticated BC. Why authenticated? Because the Fed is a foreign bank, owned by foreigners and the US Treasury is in a foreign country/territory called the District of Columbina. US Secretary of State needs to authenticate documents before they can be used in foreign countries ;)

There's my logic. Locate and purchase your bond back, then redeem it for it's full value. Thoughts?

(If you read this thread and it later disappears down the GLP memory hole, you will know this is the correct path to follow.)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15016098


There is plenty wrong with that entire concept. The "bond" was not yours, it belonged to your mother and father, The debt created by them in using the "goods and services" of the Hospital, Doctor or midwife was NOT PAID (fiat currency cannot pay for anything). The BC was registration of a product (the little land mass survey of a man child) which was promised to the State as collateral to pay for the DEBT.

All this talk about bonds and debt and "payment" is false because everything those insturments represent is DEBT and nothing but gold and silver coin is tender for payment of debt.

Now, any "legal" "tender" can be used to discharge a debt, but the DEBT is not PAID. Discharge is Not payment.

So, fellow man, kindly explain how one can "pay for a bond" (which you mistaten as being "yours" even though it was not even created by you nor were any rights to it ever assigned to you) (surely you can produce a contract proving such an agreement between you and your parents or state exists) WITHOUT proving the bond or the debt it was created to record and stand as collateral for was ever PAID for with gold or silver coin or United states treasury notes backed directly and at face value with gold or silver coins or reserve bullion of lawful weight and purity?

Please answer those questions and do not use the excuse that my condisending tone is a lawful excuse for not paying your debt (or your parents debt) or backing your claims of lawful process or the alleged lawful function of your stated process.

What proof do you have any property related to ANY bond is "yours"?
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I do not have time right now to fully respond to your reply but allow me leave to gather my thoughts and make a coherent post in the next day or so.

I will say one thing however, any debt created in fraud is not a debt at all. That simple truism would counter much of your post.

I will reply fully when able.
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Fraud? Who is the victim of the alleged fraud in the BC claims you are making? Certainly not you, who was not only a new born, but completely incapable of entering into a contract with the Hospital or State at the time of your birth for any goods or services provided.

How were your parents defrauded? There is no law requiring anyone to use a State run hospital for the birth of a baby. There is no compulsion to sign any paperwork at said hospitals without a full reservation of rights by your parents. Your parents being ignorant of their rights is not fraud, nor is the Government required to teach anyone about their rights nor how to protect them. Adults who are incompetent to handle their own affairs is not the fault of the Hospital nor Government.

IF any fraud took place, your parents where the victims, not YOU, so where is their claim, standing and damages? (of which you would have nothing to do with).

Even if the fraud was on the part of the State or Government (which you have provided zero evidence of) YOU could not bring the charges because you have no standing to do so.

Where in law is it required for the other party to educate any other party on the law?

Did your parents study the law or even read the documents they signed to get into the Hospital or wherever you were born? What law requires them or you to sign any document you do not fully understand?

Remember "ignorance of the law is not a defense."(you better not make legal assumptions for the actions of adults, as you are not and were not a witness to anything that happened that day or night).

As for "debt created in fraud is not debt at all" Did your parents accept services and benefits offered? Since you have shown (nor can you show) what fraud was committed and exactly by who, your entire premise is legally and lawfully baseless.
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First, I am not user 'fellow man' so please refrain from confusing me with another individual.

I decided to respond to your posts sooner than later because your posts come off as rather abrasive and I had to question your knowledge or intentions when you made the simple mistake of referring to the BC as the representation of the body of the "man child". Anyone that has studied this topic is aware that the BC creates the all caps legal fiction and is not a representation in any way of the human being that was born. It is the COLB that represents the human being while the BC sprouts from the COLB. My own COLB is in my given, correctly punctuated birth name, not the all caps. The COLB and the BC are separate instruments, yes? The trickery is in getting the human being to unwittingly take responsibility for the legal fiction created by the BC and the debt assessed to that legal fiction.

Having said that, your posts provided an interesting avenue to consider, which seems to me to ring true. I simply stated that one should strive to purchase their freedom, as slaves were previously able to, by purchasing the bond created from the BC that the Fed received as collateral. Owning the bond therefore claims ownership of one's estate and all that comes with that. Whether there is a method to redeem said bond is worthy of further study. Your posts spoke of how one can not "buy" anything using fiat currency but then I asked myself "Self, did you speak anything of fiat currency?" I said "No, I didn't". But you also mentioned minted gold and silver of known purity and weight ;) That is indeed lawful money, not legal tender. It has known weight, purity and a face value. So, wouldn't gold and silver coinage (and presumably "pocket change even) be lawful money to purchase the bond and therefore one's freedom, like a slave in 1865 could do? Bankers do love metals so would they be willing to release one from bondage in exchange for payment in this lawful money? I would think then that purchasing one's freedom in this manner would then allow access to one's true estate as a -priceless- creation of God, instead of an ignorant slave.

"My people perish for a lack of knowledge."

Truer words were never spoken.
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hi AC15016098,

First, I am not user 'fellow man' so please refrain from confusing me with another individual.

I decided to respond to your posts sooner than later because your posts come off as rather abrasive
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thanks for pointing that out.

Ive tried to study the lawful money theory by david merrill myself but it just doesnt add up to me as these people involved with it are mostly "abrasive" as you noticed or in merrills case, he seems devious to me with how he communicates in general but also how he changes definitions of his words to suit the topic of inquiry. not to mention all the far fetched superior claims he makes.

thats not to say he is wrong though, just that I trust no one but and leave it to me heart to decide whether to consider the info they present and in the case with lawful money people, somethings seems missing with the majority of them.

your posts provided an interesting avenue to consider, which seems to me to ring true.
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yes, it "seems" so and thats why I gave it plenty of effort to figure but it just doesnt pan out for me. again, not saying it is wrong, just saying something seems missing with it. but also ive come to realize that much truth is mixed with lies so for that reason I tend to trust my heart when I cant come to a logical conclusion on something.


what youve presented to us here is a new to me angle that I havent seen mentioned and that is the purchasing your way out of the slavery. interesting!

if you read the thread youll see that ive posted about the COLB and BC I have and my observations match yours on those for the most part.


KW seems to be onto something about the BC being an appointment that gets ratified the first time we use it.

other theories I think are worth pursuing on the subject are that of 1mbatman57 and boris's ideas where they suggest that there has been a mis take in claiming that name altogether and this seems pretty good.


thanks for chiming in here!
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Quite an interesting read! Thank you.
So question for you. I am in a position unique here as i fall under this 7 year window spoken of..
How shall I proceed???pointers???
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Quite an interesting read! Thank you.
So question for you. I am in a position unique here as i fall under this 7 year window spoken of..
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do you mean you have children that "fall under this 7 year window?

possibly use a counterdeed in some way.
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First, I am not user 'fellow man' so please refrain from confusing me with another individual.

sorry.

I decided to respond to your posts sooner than later because your posts come off as rather abrasive and I had to question your knowledge or intentions when you made the simple mistake of referring to the BC as the representation of the body of the "man child".

The BC (original with feet prints) is a TITLE and Original survey of a product. Your use of the term Human (hue-man) in legal terms is not a man or a woman (grown or not), hu-man is a monster from the sea. I do not use the term because I AM that I am, a man, descendant of Adam (mankind). I am not HUED under color of law.

Anyone that has studied this topic is aware that the BC creates the all caps legal fiction and is not a representation in any way of the human being that was born.

I disagree, it is a land survey of a land mass born of water and blood, the size, weight and gender of the child of man are the results of the survey. Again, since the Mother used her "maiden name" as the witness, the new land mass was born out of wedlock and is considered a bastard, and all bastards are "wards of the state". The then self proclaimed "parents" are simply care givers and have given up their creation to the State.


It is the COLB that represents the human being while the BC sprouts from the COLB.

No, the Certificate of live birth ONLY proves that the Birth Certificate exists, it is nothing more or less.

The COLB and the BC are separate instruments, yes?

Yes. One is a TITLE to property (the land mass known as a child/newborn) the other is Certification such a title exists.

The trickery is in getting the human being to unwittingly take responsibility for the legal fiction created by the BC and the debt assessed to that legal fiction. Partially true. It is, more importantly, evidence you are a liar when you claim you are the person thus confessing your incompetence and need for more "parenting" from the State/Government. Again, that TITLE was never "your property" so claiming the information or Title is yours is an outright LIE, and proof you are guilty of perjury before you ever are even charged with any commercial crime.



Having said that, your posts provided an interesting avenue to consider, which seems to me to ring true. I simply stated that one should strive to purchase their freedom, as slaves were previously able to, by purchasing the bond created from the BC that the Fed received as collateral.

The FED does not own nor Hold the BC, I do not know where that is coming from, but it is false. Congress (the US) holds the Titles and issues BONDS to the Federal Reserve as collateral on currency borrowed form the FED. Unless and until YOU claim the Legal Name and info on the COLB and use it for commercial gain via signature endorsement of the National Debt, the US remains the DEBTOR (obligation of the US) to repay said debt in goods and services, plus interest. Nobody can FORCE you into assuming the debt of another, but you do it voluntarily by claiming the BC as being YOU or YOURS, which it clearly is not, since you did NOT create it, any more than you created your own body.



Owning the bond therefore claims ownership of one's estate and all that comes with that.
100% false, you cannot claim ownership of anything you did not create or pay for with lawful money as defined by the law, just weights and measures and all that. YOU had Nothing to do with the creation of yourself, the BC nor anything it is, was or will be. There is no ownership without creation or lawful payment.


Whether there is a method to redeem said bond is worthy of further study. Your posts spoke of how one can not "buy" anything using fiat currency but then I asked myself "Self, did you speak anything of fiat currency?"

It makes no difference if you posted anything about fiat currency, it matters that if you do not demand lawful money redemption per 12 USC 411, you are using fiat currency, that is presumed, assumed and perfectly lawful for the Government to do. YOU cannot buy gold and silver coins or bullion with Fiat currency and then claim ownership of the coin nor bullion because it is already pledged (as are all goods and services in the US) to repay the national debt. If you have not demanded redemption per 12 USC 411, you are not using "lawful money" and cannot "buy" anything, even the BOND you claimed must be "purchased" to regain your estate.



I said "No, I didn't". But you also mentioned minted gold and silver of known purity and weight ;) That is indeed lawful money, not legal tender.

FALSE, it is both. Legal tender is anything that is not "illegal" and is agreed upon by both parties as being "tender" in contracts.

Lawful money is issued directly by the US Treasury and backed at face value in gold or silver coin or bullion. Redemption in said gold or silver for the Notes is NOT a requirement for the note to be "lawful money" nor is the agreement between parties in any contract, it is lawful money always.


It has known weight, purity and a face value. So, wouldn't gold and silver coinage (and presumably "pocket change even) be lawful money to purchase the bond and therefore one's freedom

No, not without proof you have REDEEMED said coinage from the "first lien" of the Federal Reserve.The only lawful way to redeem currency is to do what Title 12 states clearly to do, DEMAND REDEMPTION AND BE ABLE TO PROVE SUCH A DEMAND.


like a slave in 1865 could do?
Nope, many things have changed since 1865, the 2 most important are the "new deal" in 1933 and the default on the National debt payments in gold in 1977.
1933 was the bankruptcy of the US and 1977 was the default, which is why Nixon was removed from office.


Bankers do love metals so would they be willing to release one from bondage in exchange for payment in this lawful money?

With the exception of 300 million in gold coins seized from the people in 1933 and now held in trust for those demanding redemption per 12 USC 411 and some gold, silver and Treasury notes backed directly by bullion, the bankers all ready hold title or bonds to all the goods and services (including precious metals) AND the "human resources" and labor of hundreds of generations into the future. So, without a demand for redemption per 12 USC 411, you cannot own the coins or any good or service you act like you can "pay" for your freedom with.

I would think then that purchasing one's freedom in this manner would then allow access to one's true estate as a -priceless- creation of God, instead of an ignorant slave.

"My people perish for a lack of knowledge."

Truer words were never spoken.
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Your estate cannot be bought, it is endowed upon you by your Creator, it can be given away, traded not for a bowl of soup, but for benefits and privileges. Jesus cast out the money changers, but you invite them into His Temple (your body) by working with the money changers. The State can only claim what IT creates. You try and take what belongs to the STATE and you will find out it does not happen. You forget the lawgivers telling you in no uncertain words, "Render unto Caesar that which is Ceasars'"

Federal Reserve notes (real or electronic) are NOT money and they are not "YOURS" they are private property of the Federal Reserve member banks, you cannot use them to "buy" anything, you cannot pay for anything with them, and no law requires you to use them, accept them, carry them, endorse them. Public money is created directly from the united States Treasury and is created for use by the public as lawful payment of debts.

Did the State create YOU? Did the State breath life into Adam (man kind) of course not.

"Why seek ye the living among the dead?"

Have you been "born again"? If so, why do you cling to a dead paper which gives access to a dead, bankrupt Incorporation? A legal fiction cannot be a living man with Creator endowed rights and an ETERNAL estate in the Kingdom.

You can "redeem" your proper place in this world by telling the truth, you do not know when, where or how you were born, you do not live "in this state" (of the dead) the BC is not "yours" and you cannot claim it is without proving you are a LIAR and you cannot serve 2 masters, you are IN or you are OUT.
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Quite an interesting read! Thank you.
So question for you. I am in a position unique here as i fall under this 7 year window spoken of..
How shall I proceed???pointers???
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You can start by contacting the State Registrars officer and asking where the BC is for your children because the paperwork from the Hospital was incorrect. You and your wife or husband were "lawfully and legally" married when the child was conceived and born into this world and you can provide proof of that.

See where that goes, I have never done it, so I do not know HOW to do it, but I know it can be done because they cannot claim ownership before the 7 years has passed, so you better get on it.

Also, know you are not the Legal name. If all else fails, you can always get a "Family Bible" and record the birth date and given name of the child there and use that as "proof of birth".

Even for school admission, learn the difference between "true name" and legal name. Teach your children and demand lawful money redemption on all bank transactions.

That is a good start.
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hi AC15016098,

First, I am not user 'fellow man' so please refrain from confusing me with another individual.

I decided to respond to your posts sooner than later because your posts come off as rather abrasive
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thanks for pointing that out.

Ive tried to study the lawful money theory by david merrill myself but it just doesnt add up to me as these people involved with it are mostly "abrasive" as you noticed or in merrills case, he seems devious to me with how he communicates in general but also how he changes definitions of his words to suit the topic of inquiry. not to mention all the far fetched superior claims he makes.

I have known david for years and I cannot understand most of what he talks about, his minds works differently than mine. His process is solid and gets real results without people going to jail because of it. In case you missed it, "this kind cometh out only with much fasting and prayer. "study" and feelings are not how the spirit communicates truth, fruits are what can be known and that is the law.

thats not to say he is wrong though, just that I trust no one but and leave it to me heart to decide whether to consider the info they present and in the case with lawful money people, somethings seems missing with the majority of them.

so its judge the messenger, not the fruit, that is a sad commentary. Jesus Himself was disappointed by imperfect apostles who could not tarry with Him when He needed them most. Nobody is perfect or all knowing, but to follow people whose only fruit is long prison terms and not providing proof of claims is a losers path, in my opinion.

your posts provided an interesting avenue to consider, which seems to me to ring true.
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yes, it "seems" so and thats why I gave it plenty of effort to figure but it just doesnt pan out for me.
Please tell me what could possibly be the negative effects of following redemption demand per 12 USC 411? In over a decade of using and teaching others, nobody could EVER tell me what negative effects it could or has had. On the other hand, it has proven to provide real results for hundreds of people, some who have been doing it for over 20 years, with ZERO ill effects.

again, not saying it is wrong, just saying something seems missing with it.
There is plenty >missing< from it, but it is the single most powerful redemption method I have ever been exposed to and has done more for me than all other methods or "theories" combined. What else can be said?Be your own proof, again, nobody has ever presented me with a negative from doing it.

but also ive come to realize that much truth is mixed with lies so for that reason I tend to trust my heart when I cant come to a logical conclusion on something.


what youve presented to us here is a new to me angle that I havent seen mentioned and that is the purchasing your way out of the slavery. interesting!

You can't "purchase" anything without first redeeming your own life from the money changers. Of that I am certain. Can you "pay" for you own sins?

You cannot "pay" for anything unless and until you have redeemed your estate from the money changers who took over the US in 1933. If you are trading and endorsing the Federal Reserve, you are never going to "purchase" anything, its literally against the law.


if you read the thread youll see that ive posted about the COLB and BC I have and my observations match yours on those for the most part.

Then one or both of you (or anyone for that matter can show me the proof it actually works and has some legal or lawful effect.


KW seems to be onto something about the BC being an appointment that gets ratified the first time we use it.

Seems to be is not proof of concept, nor are your feelings.

other theories I think are worth pursuing on the subject are that of 1mbatman57 and boris's ideas where they suggest that there has been a mis take in claiming that name altogether and this seems pretty good.

Its not a mistake, its outright lying, nobody owns a name, its perfectly impossible to do so. Hell, Prince used a symbol to escape being held to contracts with Record companies and porn stars and actors use it to get out of contracts all the time. It is not some revolutionary idea, nor is it non effective, but it still does not redeem one from volunteering to assume debt that is not yours to assume via congress and their contract with the Federal Reserve, YOU do that by not demanding your lawful redemption from those obligations.


thanks for chiming in here!
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its always easy to agree with others who agree with you, but your like or dislike of me being sure and secure in what I know works does not change the fact what I know and what works.

Either way, you are free to do what you like, I AM redeemed as is my estate and I can prove it in court because I have, I have my own court of record and issue my own judgments, I also refuse the "rulings" of Federal Court judges, and have the records to back it up if you have access to PACER, you can look them up.

Show me a talkshoe "theory expert" who can do the same, then we can discuss their processes further.

Talk is cheap, by their fruits ye shall know them.
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Red text guy appears to be making this discussion much more complicated than it needs to be, which is a hallmark of one that actively supports the slavery system and attempts to confuse the issue past the point of understanding. Anyone that's discussed monetary policy with a tried and true Keynesian knows what I'm talking about. Word salad and ever-changing definitions and explanations that make someone on the right path want to give up out of sheer confusion. I don't have an inclination to get bogged down in minute debate. My potential solution is based in historical fact, scripture, understanding of occultism (as I said, Skull and Bones wasn't named that for fun) and a dash of common sense. Red text guy's is based in the same extensive word play games that got us into this mess in the first place.

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Red text guy appears to be making this discussion much more complicated than it needs to be, which is a hallmark of one that actively supports the slavery system and attempts to confuse the issue past the point of understanding. Anyone that's discussed monetary policy with a tried and true Keynesian knows what I'm talking about. Word salad and ever-changing definitions and explanations that make someone on the right path want to give up out of sheer confusion. I don't have an inclination to get bogged down in minute debate. My potential solution is based in historical fact, scripture, understanding of occultism (as I said, Skull and Bones wasn't named that for fun) and a dash of common sense. Red text guy's is based in the same extensive word play games that got us into this mess in the first place.

Thou doth protest too much?
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hes toned down the abrasion level in the last two posts. not so much in attack mode now.

there may be something to that lawful money angle but you hit on something that Ive been thinking for a while now.

Ive suspected this "remedy" is not what it seems for a long time. my suspicions started when I found a post by merrill from way before his lawful money remedy came along where he claimed to be the high priest of the dutch east indies trading company. its probably long gone now but it might still be there. it was on a forum somewhere.

he was also present in a class the montana freemen were having and it was videod and he was asking questions to leroy. his accent is very peculiar so his voice is un mistakable. shortly after that video was made the standoff began.

he also has a high level of education and brags about his wall street family connections and elite family bloodlines among many other things.

any talk about BCs or A4V, or any potential remedies involving uncovering HJR192 or securities etc and he will deny any possibility of it then ban whoever gets to specific about it from his forum.

I gave up on the lawful money complete failure of a "lesson plan" long ago but for pure entertainment the guy is great!


YMMV
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Red text guy appears to be making this discussion much more complicated than it needs to be, which is a hallmark of one that actively supports the slavery system and attempts to confuse the issue past the point of understanding. Anyone that's discussed monetary policy with a tried and true Keynesian knows what I'm talking about. Word salad and ever-changing definitions and explanations that make someone on the right path want to give up out of sheer confusion. I don't have an inclination to get bogged down in minute debate. My potential solution is based in historical fact, scripture, understanding of occultism (as I said, Skull and Bones wasn't named that for fun) and a dash of common sense. Red text guy's is based in the same extensive word play games that got us into this mess in the first place.

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your "potential solution" is what, exactly?

and what have exactly been your results in application of your "potential solution"?
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Red text guy appears to be making this discussion much more complicated than it needs to be, which is a hallmark of one that actively supports the slavery system and attempts to confuse the issue past the point of understanding. Anyone that's discussed monetary policy with a tried and true Keynesian knows what I'm talking about. Word salad and ever-changing definitions and explanations that make someone on the right path want to give up out of sheer confusion. I don't have an inclination to get bogged down in minute debate. My potential solution is based in historical fact, scripture, understanding of occultism (as I said, Skull and Bones wasn't named that for fun) and a dash of common sense. Red text guy's is based in the same extensive word play games that got us into this mess in the first place.

Thou doth protest too much?
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hes toned down the abrasion level in the last two posts. not so much in attack mode now.

there may be something to that lawful money angle but you hit on something that Ive been thinking for a while now.

Ive suspected this "remedy" is not what it seems for a long time. my suspicions started when I found a post by merrill from way before his lawful money remedy came along where he claimed to be the high priest of the dutch east indies trading company. its probably long gone now but it might still be there. it was on a forum somewhere.

he was also present in a class the montana freemen were having and it was videod and he was asking questions to leroy. his accent is very peculiar so his voice is un mistakable. shortly after that video was made the standoff began.

he also has a high level of education and brags about his wall street family connections and elite family bloodlines among many other things.

any talk about BCs or A4V, or any potential remedies involving uncovering HJR192 or securities etc and he will deny any possibility of it then ban whoever gets to specific about it from his forum.

I gave up on the lawful money complete failure of a "lesson plan" long ago but for pure entertainment the guy is great!


YMMV
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again, attacking the messenger. HJR192 was a house joint resolution and means nothing, public law 73-10 which it became has application. 12 USC is the root problem, which still has not been addressed.

We are not on DMs forum, so what difference does it make what he does on his form?

You do not like David, we have established that, can we move on to facts and process now, or do you want to continue with your bromance of the other AC and avoid the subject of remedy some more?
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Quite an interesting read! Thank you.
So question for you. I am in a position unique here as i fall under this 7 year window spoken of..
How shall I proceed???pointers???
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You can start by contacting the State Registrars officer and asking where the BC is for your children because the paperwork from the Hospital was incorrect. You and your wife or husband were "lawfully and legally" married when the child was conceived and born into this world and you can provide proof of that.

See where that goes, I have never done it, so I do not know HOW to do it, but I know it can be done because they cannot claim ownership before the 7 years has passed, so you better get on it.

Also, know you are not the Legal name. If all else fails, you can always get a "Family Bible" and record the birth date and given name of the child there and use that as "proof of birth".

Even for school admission, learn the difference between "true name" and legal name. Teach your children and demand lawful money redemption on all bank transactions.

That is a good start.
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just bumping that so it does not get lost in the sockpuppetry of the BC seekers bromance.
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Sorry, I cannot help but LOL at the "making this more complicated than it needs to be" comment.

The System was created by a fallen Celestial being (Lucifer) it is not the creation of man or men. That Being (and 1/3 the hosts of Heaven who chose to follow Him in his rebellion) are here with with full recognition (full memory) of the Celestial realm from which He and they fell.

He has sworn an oath to destroy mankind since before Adam had the "breath of life" in his body.

He is the Father of all LIES and his followers have had more than 6000 years to perfect their "Government" control over the minds and hearts and souls of men. Add to that the propaganda and government controlled "education system" and "media" that indoctrinates every single person from birth to death and you have a perfect cult of control.

Now, AC wants to accuse ME of "complex word salads" and complicating things that he claims should be simple.

Next, he basis his "proposed solution" on "history and scripture" well, so does every religion on this planet, but there is no confusion in those things, is there?

The entire premise of "simplicity" completely IGNORES the fact that God himself "confounded the languages" of mankind at the tower of Babel, making confusion the root of ALL language and definitions.

Now, add to that nearly every "color of law statute" has its own "Glossary" with definitions included for individual words used in limited context of that statute or code. There are currently millions of statutes and CODES, each with different definitions to words used and this does not take into account the millions of policies, court cases and individual uses of words and legal terms, which can be twisted by any attorney or judge AT WILL as long as you believe those words "rule" you.

All "definitions" are reliant on on thing, YOU agreeing to the definition in the context of what is being discussed. That is the power of contract in ALL LAW, agreement on definitions.

Definitions depend on what your definition of "IS" is. Quote Bill CLINTON.

Yeah, it is that simple.

Thread: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul

again, I advise a solid 6 months of study, fasting and prayer of the concepts and facts on that thread before any action is taken. Freedom is not free and without real sacrifice, you will not be free of them without it.
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Questions still left with no response from the posters claiming to be informed but have provided no answers, proof or even evidence of their claims to an "estate".

1. What legal standing does an adult (meaning in age only) have on a document/instrument/BC that they have no first hand knowledge of and had nothing to do with its creation, registration or use after the fact? What law, statute, code (or anything but them saying it is so) actually written that gives them ANY claim on a BC/Bond/estate/property and/or "thing" they had no part in creating? Where is their standing or nexus between the BC and the posters claiming it to be "theirs"?

2. What exactly is this "Birth certificate estate" they are making a claim to? Who created it, what property does it contain, where is this alleged estate? Who is the current occupant or possessor of the alleged estate?

3. Has anyone, at any time and with any process EVER gotten this elusive BC or estate "back"? A simple yea or nae will suffice.

4. What legal effect does "endorsing" "accepting for value" UCC recording, County clerk recording, or anything done to the Certificate of live birth actually accomplish?

5. Obtaining, recording, mailing, transporting ect of a CLOB or any estate property requires payment, what currency is, was or will be used in paying for those goods and services? And who and how by what law or authority was said currency created or issued?

6. Can anyone "own" a name or identity? What about a "date of birth"? Can anyone even prove what todays "date" is?

sorry if those questions are too abrasive for the tender eyes of the self proclaimed subject matter experts here, but the questions are lawfully significant and they need real answers.
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or do you want to continue with your bromance of the other AC
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this is a good example of why people find you "abrasive", its a warlike mentality and many if not most on this path have had enough of it.

Questions still left with no response from the posters claiming to be informed but have provided no answers
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for the most part, youre the only one making claims here, the rest of us are discussing possibilities.

1. What legal standing does an adult (meaning in age only) have on a document/instrument/BC that they have no first hand knowledge of and had nothing to do with its creation,
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without the footprints, that document does not get created so that seems to rebut your claim that is couched in a question.

the significance of footprints seem to also indicate "standing" maybe even walking on water?


loose the abrasiveness and you might find others more receptive to your input here, otherwise, you seem to be driven by an agenda IMO because why would one with such attitude want to help anyone?

why so angry about this and why everytime this subject comes up, you appear to counter and redirect it.
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The System was created by a fallen Celestial being (Lucifer) it is not the creation of man or men.
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obviously you have no proof of this claim as well as all the others that follow it relating to it and IMO it is nonsense because when you get right down to it, there is only people here. and that script is exactly how people have taken advantage of others.


The entire premise of "simplicity" completely IGNORES the fact that God himself "confounded the languages" of mankind at the tower of Babel, making confusion the root of ALL language and definitions.
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proof? nope, none just a third party script that men have used to snare other men and create this system with.

language itself is a religion, black magic spells to create this matrix of fiction.

it is all nonsense intellectual property from a third party that has benn forced upon us and it the programming language used for mind control.
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or do you want to continue with your bromance of the other AC
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this is a good example of why people find you "abrasive", its a warlike mentality and many if not most on this path have had enough of it.

what people? You and your sock puppet AC? You do not know me and you are using attacks to deflect from your own lack of credible retorts. Brilliant legal and logical retort.


Questions still left with no response from the posters claiming to be informed but have provided no answers
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for the most part, youre the only one making claims here, the rest of us are discussing possibilities.

again with the theories. The exact same ones that have gotten "sovereign citizens" onto watch lists and in prison for over a decade now and you still want to act like those "possibilities" are legally viable. Faith without works is dead, as is the decedent on the alleged BC.

1. What legal standing does an adult (meaning in age only) have on a document/instrument/BC that they have no first hand knowledge of and had nothing to do with its creation,
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without the footprints, that document does not get created so that seems to rebut your claim that is couched in a question.

how the hell do you know that EVER happened in your case? YOU are bearing false witness to events you do not even know happened. Again and for the record, you are a LIAR. The law is "thou shall bear no false witness, you are violating Gods laws and mans with your own lying words. PROVE THAT YOUR FEET PRINTS ARE ON ANY BC. You can't so your "rebuttal" is overruled by truth and fact.

the significance of footprints seem to also indicate "standing" maybe even walking on water?


loose the abrasiveness and you might find others more receptive to your input here, otherwise, you seem to be driven by an agenda IMO because why would one with such attitude want to help anyone?

No thanks, I do not need you to tell me how to win friends and influence people, I read that book already it did nothing to loose the bonds of Government tyrants from doing what they do. This is war and its not for incompetent children like you. I only reply to your posts to help others who read this to know how full of crap decedents like you really are and hopefully they will not follow your kind of a cliff to jail or an armed confrontation with the cops. I owe it to them to call you out on your lies.

why so angry about this and why everytime this subject comes up, you appear to counter and redirect it.
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There is no anger, stop projecting.

You are making claims then back pedaling when pressed for facts and verifiable results.

You cannot answer simple and direct questions about law, process or results, but you have no problem pointing out the "flaws" in others who have actually done what you only pontificate about.

I counter and redirect because the entire BC redemption has ZERO results and you have shown that to be a fact again. You do not even believe the the make believe process of endorsement because you have not even done it, yet you preach it here like its Gods own work.
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The System was created by a fallen Celestial being (Lucifer) it is not the creation of man or men.
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obviously you have no proof of this claim as well as all the others that follow it relating to it and IMO it is nonsense because when you get right down to it, there is only people here. and that script is exactly how people have taken advantage of others.

Again, you are projecting your BELIEFS onto those who would use the Torah (or any scripture) to validate their claims of authority over their fellow man via legal process. There are NOT "only people here" there are unseen forces at work, to deny that is to deny your own Creation because you clearly cannot create YOU.It is what THEY believe and how you can use their rules and playbook to stop them from presuming you are their property to control. Only you can stop them, nobody can do it for you.


The entire premise of "simplicity" completely IGNORES the fact that God himself "confounded the languages" of mankind at the tower of Babel, making confusion the root of ALL language and definitions.
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proof? nope, none just a third party script that men have used to snare other men and create this system with.

so, again, flip the script and control them with it, its nothing more than magic and if you know the counter spell, they will do what their script tells them to do, its THEIR religion and cult, not yours. so stop acting like you want to be free of it when you are still playing by their rules and trying to figure it out.

language itself is a religion, black magic spells to create this matrix of fiction.

totally agree, the problem is they have people on their payroll who will kill you or worse for not playing by their rules.

it is all nonsense intellectual property from a third party that has benn forced upon us and it the programming language used for mind control.

I agree with that as well. To bad you cannot convince the guys with guns and color of law on their side to just leave you alone, right?
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Better yet, to bad you do not redeem your own body and earthly affairs from their entrapment's by actually listening to people who have done it.

Or you you can just continue to attack the messenger or delivery method and just accept someone else knows and has done more than you have, but that would mean giving up your clinging to false notions of BC redemption and you do not seem to be willing to do that.

By their fruits ye shall know them.

Good day to you, thank you for showing our readers you have no substance to offer.

condescend(Deign), verb accommodate oneself, accord, be courteous, be gracious, descend, descendere, dissegard prestige, grant, humble oneself, lower oneself, saccifice pride, se submittere, stoop, tolerate, unbend, vouchsafe, waive privilege, yield

you or your sock puppet self accused me of being condescending, which I agree with, because that definition above is exactly correct.
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on and for the record here:


red text guy makes many claims but proves none.