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Soul Vs. Spirit
Soul Vs. Spirit
By. TruthTeller
Originally posted here: [link to www.ilovephilosophy.com]
In an age whene there is much confusion between soul and spirit, it is incumbent upon those who know to divulge the difference. It is also incumbent upon the mouth of a philosopher to speak the truth.

The book of Ecclesiates is quite explicit in its insinuation that "The soul doth die with the body." Such insinuations have led many to believe that there is but this life and this life alone.

However, this fallacy is based upon a misconception.It is a concept that not only pervades science, but one that also pervades amongst believers.

It is both a fallacy of semantic and concepyualization. In a world where Rhodes scholars ask what is meant by the word "is," perhaps we shouldn't be surprised. Semantics is outside the scope of this essay, just knowing that the confusion over soul and spirit is a semantic confusion should suffice.

Soul and spirit are not the same thing. Repeat. The soul and spirit are not the same thing.

Before I get to deep into this, think about the mind and what actually animates the body. Does the mind animate the body, or is the body animated by an exterior force? If the mind is the exterior force, then why do thoughts radiate from the inside, outward?

There is no substitute for the glee after realization that soul & spirit are not interchangeable. My first realization of it was when I was pondering the age old quips of "The soul doth die with the body" and "There is no rememberance in the grave."

The first thing that needs to be realized is what was going on when these quips were uttered from the writer thereof. The Jews and egyptians were in constant conflict. The Jews, naturally, were quite opposed to any Egyptian doctrine.

What exactly did the Egyptians believe when "The soul of the body" and "There is no rememberance in the grave" were uttered? Well, the Egyptians believed that the spirit came to reanimate the body after death. Now, read the quotes. Think about what they are saying in relation to the Egyptians.

The egyptians labeled the spirit "Ka." The "Ka" was said to remain connected to the body after death, according to the Egyptians. The two quotes that I refer to is a rebuttal of Egyptian belief.

Now to understand that "The soul doth die with the body," one has to understand what the soul is. The soul is not "The breath of life;" that label is designated to the spirit.

The soul is the carnal mind of man. It is connected to our emotions, physical feelings,desires. The soul is what causes man to remain within the matrix of materialism.

When one is angry, the soul or carnal mind is what causes one to display anger. Most likely, the Egyptians mistook the soul to be the spirit of man.
Even in this day and age,we connect the carnal mind,our thoughts,feelings, emotions, et cetera, with spirit. Why? That's the ruling opinion of the day. We also connect mind to consciousness which is another fallacy.

The soul does indeed die with the body. When the body dies, our emotions die therewith. The spirit has no need for emotion. Emotion is the product of gross material.

The soul is the carnal mind, which is the originator of sin. When the body dies, the spirit fluffs off the carnal mind. The soul is in need of sin because gross material existence is immersed in sin.

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We must let scripture interpret scripture, one passage cannot contradict another in God´s word on a given point. (2Peter 1:21)

In Matthew 10:28 Jesus says, "Do not be afraid of those who can kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather be afraid of the One who can destroy both body and soul in Hell. In this verse the word for soul is psuche and can mean ´breath of life´, ´life principal´ The word psuche is often used to translate the Hebrew word nephesh in Greek.

In Matthew 10:28 the word psuche (soul) is used to designate the part of man that continues on after physical death. It is not being used simply to refer to the ´whole person´. If that were the case then the psuche (soul) would die when the physical body is killed. This verse indicates that it is possible to kill the body without killing the soul. And Jesus says that this is a part of the body that cannot be touched by those who can kill the body. That part of the body is what continues to live after man has been lowered into the grave.

In revelation 6:9,10 we read, " And when He broke the fifth seal, I saw underneath the alter the souls of those who have been slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony they have maintained; and they cried out with a loud voice, saying, "How long O Lord, holy and true, wilt thou refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?"
In this passage it is impossible for soul to refer to ´living beings´. Notice the souls exist and are conscious despite the fact that they had been physically slain. as scripture says they were able to ´cry out´ and God also spoke back to them. That which is unconscious cannot carry on a conversation.

1) It is well known that Ecclesiastes presents two contrasting ways of looking at man´s plight in the world. One is secular, humanistic, materialistic, that interprets all things from a worldly perspective- not recognizing God or His involvement in man´s affairs. this earthly viewpoint is on completely unaided by divine revelation.

The other perspective is Godly, spiritual that interprets life and it´s problems from a God- honoring view. This viewpoint takes divine revelation into account when interpreting life and it´s problems. This perspective triumphs at the end of this Book.

Ecclesiastes 9:1-10 reflects the earthly perspective that is unaided by divine revelation. Not only does the writer say in verse 5 that the dead know nothing, but he also adds that ´they have no more for ever any share in all that is done under the sun" Now we know from verse 2 that the dead are not gone forever as´ one fate comes to all, to the righteous and the wicked, to the good and the evil. ( an idea contradictory to all the rest of scripture) This would mean that we would all receive the same fate whether we are righteous or wicked, but we know from the rest of scripture that this is not true. So in conclusion verse 5 is located in the section of the Book expressing the faithless, secular viewpoint not God´s.

Ecclesiastes 9;1-10 expresses a strictly human perspective, and verse 5 indicates that from a strictly human viewpoint, the dead are conscious of nothing at all. This being the case, this verse does not teach God´s truth, and cannot be used top support the contention that there is no conscious existence after death.

If this phrase "Know not anything" means the dead are unconscious in the grave or spirit world, then the phrase ´neither have they anymore reward" means there will be no resurrection or rewards after this life...

This meaning in verse 5 would be more suited to suggest that the dead are not conscious of events taking place in the physical realm, and no nothing in as far as their bodily senses and worldly affairs are concerned (Job 14:21; Isaiah 63:16). This verse is expressing the relation to the dead to this world, However they are still conscious of things not associated with the physical, earthly realm.
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the soulish realm is the realm of emotions.the spirit realm is of all things that are eternal.
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the soulish realm is the realm of emotions.the spirit realm is of all things that are eternal.
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Precisely my point. cool2 applause
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See "The binary soul doctrine" for a great expose' on the matter, especially the part regarding the union of soul and spirit to birth a new being.

And as far as using scripture to authenticate things...look up 1 Kings 7:23 and you tell me

Last time i checked pi does not equal 3...then again, God could have changed things since then... rolleyes
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Its funny that.....I was only thinking about that concept the other day , and why doesnt it surprise me that you post this today!? synchronicities eh! lol

I'll throw my tuppence in here, it might be a bit rough and not academic, but hey!

You are correct in saying the soul and the spirit are two different things. In the esoteric world they're classed as your base chakra and your crown chakra. In my world they're reflective spirits of mars and mercury. Two fixed consciences that mankind reflects from. But there seems to be a conflict, a kind of Jekyll and Hyde scenario. In religion, one is called the father and one is called the son. In the spirit of the father, he is a jealous angry God, who wants to hold you in his consciousness and he will do anything to protect that soul, hence the rage and the anger, but as you realise his rage and his anger cannot be held in our consciousness without it being a battle for us. As you reflect from venus (The Mrs! lol) she is a more gentle nature pulling your soul away from that base chakra to the heart. The father knows, if you reach the heart you see theres another conscience on the other side of the mountain, a consciousness that is more in alignment with the Christed conscience.

So for me, the battle was: Do I stay in the fathers spirit and fight the fight to hold onto that soul reflection? while in the real world it was tearing my family apart......When I stripped the emotions of this soul down we get to the core of the fight, what is it you're fighting for? In my case I was fighting to keep what I love, therefore I sacrificed an element to that soul because she was making me see that theres another reflection i can reflect from, so as the father pulled me out and told me to come out of her, thats when I sat at his right hand side, free from the fathers reflection, all seemed right. But there was one element that I dispute in this fight, and that was......If you're playing an angry jealous person and you're being shown light (so to speak) why is the brutal nature of that light so harsh in its ripping apart the soul? Why when I bore my soul, my fruit did they act like some demonic frenzied creatures? If they're supposed to be from the light (the good) then why such brutality? Maybe the soul knows that this is the end result.....maybe the soul knows that our only defence to the unseen, the only defence for the soul is the anger, the rage, the ferocity, is just a natural defence and the only defence to protect itself!?.........

Theres a lot more to it than just what I have written here but I'm sure you get the basic understanding!

So it leaves us with two choices really. Your first choice is to put your spirit in the conscience of the father, and there is no other but the father alone.

Or do you put your spirit in the Christ conscience? If you put your spirit in the Christ, you have to sacrifice your soul which belongs to the father, so you may reflect from that opposite pole.

I have done what I have done now and I would still put my faith in the father, thats why me and the father are one...

The light of the spirit comes from the singularity, flowing like a river between the father and mother mars and venus.

The father is a protector because in the singularity all possibilities of manifestations of ungodly spirits can come. Thats why in the christ spirit you are an open doorway for this energy to flow thru, which can upset the balance of nature of who we are.

I believe these spirits from the singularity are the spirits who supress mankind, but I believe one day we'll have the ability to walk thru worlds and take back that control.

Anyway I hope that makes sense to whoever reads it! lol
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Resolve all "twoness" by One.

Eventual we come to a point where beliefs and conceptions can no longer guide us. We need the "truth from the fathers mouth" so to speak. God/Reality can be invoked, the trick is not stopping until one recieves the answer.

Soul and spirit can be wedded through a specific cathartic emotional experience...among other ways...
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Sorry, I don't think there is a difference between soul and spirit, especially if the difference is based on concepts in modern, popular reglions. An understanding of soul/spirit is not to be found there. It seems to me that Christianity, Judaism, and Islam dissuade their followers from attempting to learn about one's true self.
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Sorry, I don't think there is a difference between soul and spirit, especially if the difference is based on concepts in modern, popular reglions. An understanding of soul/spirit is not to be found there. It seems to me that Christianity, Judaism, and Islam dissuade their followers from attempting to learn about one's true self.
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The knowledge of the different functions of the soul and the spirit are quite ancient and widespread. Look up binary soul doctrine or division theory.

And of course in the delusion of modern day religions, they would not want you to know the details.
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All magnetic fields have opposite poles, and also a dividing point between the two.

On one side of the pole in the base is the father mars, on the upper pole is the christ mercury, and what divides the two is the singularity..

But I wont forget Virgo where three eggs of mirroring realities exist. All three have the same components or astrological planets inside our asteroid belt.

When I came back out of virgo and sat back down in mercury, thats when a dark queen told me I had opened the 5th seal. And I gave her the remaining seals.

It was quite an experience and runs parallel to that book religion you hold so dearly. But hey, each to their own, whatever works...

But my full circle in this scenario was to fall to earth and share the light that I have brought back to that dark queen in the south (metaphor)
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Everything in this life of illusion is what you believe. Your belief creats your reality.

If you believe some spiritual idea it becomes your truth, so be careful what you believe.

You see yourself in the world
I see the world in myself.
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Everything in this life of illusion is what you believe. Your belief creats your reality.

If you believe some spiritual idea it becomes your truth, so be careful what you believe.

You see yourself in the world
I see the world in myself.
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I see a continuity
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Everything in this life of illusion is what you believe. Your belief creats your reality.

If you believe some spiritual idea it becomes your truth, so be careful what you believe.

You see yourself in the world
I see the world in myself.
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but what if you saw the supernatural glory of god with your own spirit eyes.lmao what if you saw his blood cover your head?what if you saw his living water flow through your belly?what if you heard his wind an rain in a prayer?i guess until you do,you will just continue to mock those who have.
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but what if you saw the supernatural glory of god with your own spirit eyes.lmao what if you saw his blood cover your head?what if you saw his living water flow through your belly?what if you heard his wind an rain in a prayer?i guess until you do,you will just continue to mock those who have.
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Now I'm a big fan of god n' all, but if i saw him bleeding all over me and "passing water" out of my stomach...I'd probably freak irrecoverably out!
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Everything in this life of illusion is what you believe. Your belief creats your reality.

If you believe some spiritual idea it becomes your truth, so be careful what you believe.

You see yourself in the world
I see the world in myself.

but what if you saw the supernatural glory of god with your own spirit eyes.lmao what if you saw his blood cover your head?what if you saw his living water flow through your belly?what if you heard his wind an rain in a prayer?i guess until you do,you will just continue to mock those who have.
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Actually, you have no idea what i am aware of. My blood line goes back to southern france and Cathars and much beyond that to Egypt. You can see anything your heart desires or mind believes. If you believe in the devil you can see that as well.
I do not however as I not only know divine truth(s) but how to use them to help others see the true light.

"God" was made up by man for an answer he could comprehend. We are all essence (prana/source/whatever) and nothing more. Your precetpion that I mock you because I do not agree with yoru belief means you are mocking me by not aggreeing that you may be mistaken.

I have not only divine intuition and the "finger of god" in my yod (stars) but a conciousness so advanced I can usually only discuss such things with only the most enlightened beings here and on the other side (there really isn't another side though as all is within).I dream past present and future along with shamanic deep dreaming (which many do not come back from).

Truth is quite simple really, but has been worked by so many "controlers" in the past that it has been made un-simple.

DNA and Programming (learned behaviors). There is no heaven or hell unless you create it for yourself or allow others to do it for you and jump on their band wagon so to say. Remember, what you believe IS your Reality!

I use the following example of “source/essence” of which we (and everything around us are made of).

A cup of water filled to the brim and then spilled on a table produces drops. Those drops are you and I and everything (every tree, every rock, every material item on the planet and in the universe). When one passes on they leave this illusion and go right back into the cup. One does not die as we are all energy and in the end and energy cannot die it can only change form. Sin, sickness and death are all illusion of the human mind. If you are told you are sick or are going to be sick by someone and you are not strong of mind you will believe you’re a sick person. If you believe you are a sick person you are a sick person, period. If you fear an illness you attract it to yourself, law of attraction. And since mind created it, only mind can remove it!

If a doctor tells you you need a pill to treat your illness, take note that treatment is not cure. The medical industry never uses the word cure for a reason. They would go broke if they cured even just the cancer patience’s in the world. If one believes the pill will cure them then it will, however if you have any doubts you will remain ill.

Example; sunscreen. There were little or no cases of skin cancer until AFTER sunscreen became available. This is due to the media and pharmaceutical / chemical industry knowing that a seed planted is a seed that will most often grow. Hence if they tell you that you will get skin cancer from the sun and you believe it you are a customer for life. And if you forget your sunscreen enough times your internal dialogue will grant you the whish, yes everything here is granted as a wish (Law of Attraction) and you will have what you feared, skin cancer.

In this world one always gets their wish, always. Problem is the wish master does not know good/bad don’t/do should/shouldn’t (as these are based on human perceptions) it just grants. If you say you do not want something you will find you always get it anyway. If you want for something, that whish is also granted, leaving you wanting. If you expect something, too another granted wish. So guard your wants and wishes and think or speak mindfully as the most powerful thing on the planet is a single human thought!

I leave you with this final message, you are god (source) and I am god (source), the trees and birds and bees are all god. Your soul is my soul, your heart is my heart, my heart is your heart, your pain is my pain, my pain is your pain as there is only one essence one being there is only one (it is source). Sin, Sickness and Death only exist in your mind and if you believe in them they are a part of you (and your veils/filters) they are a part of your belief and you always get what you believe you will get. Death in this world, is awakening to your true self on the other side, however here in this world you have all you need to awaken without going to the other side as in the end, there is no other side we are all in that same cup of water (source/essence) living the illusion of material reality. Why, are we here you might ask? We are here simply to play the game. If you were spirit, non-material, would you not want to partake in eating a steak, even one that has been burnt? Would you not want to feel and share the intimacy of another? Would you not want to see yourself? Would you not want to drive a fast car or build a building or create a thing with your own hands? After all, you are the creator.


You have been duped for long enough and it is time to re-remember who you really are; it is time to awaken from your dream and take back your power, the power you freely gave away to experience this illusion. Soon it will be time to dream another dream in contrast to the one you have just finished. Don’t wait to go to heaven its already here, just allow yourself to see and feel it.


Be wise and question all that you are told
It is okay to be so bold
Blindly accepting the “truths” of others
Clouded by their perceptions only smothers
Your creative and unique being
Will no longer be prevented from seeing
Ego is the lock on the cage
Releasing ego allows us to fully engage
Find your path and stay on course
For the true path leads to source

Be well, for in the future you will be taught this truth by many more that are soon to awaken.
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Soul and spirit, i dont care what anyone says , they are different words for the same exact thing. ONLY this evil world of ours that seeks to divide EVERYTHING is what causes a division in soul and spirit also. the world of evil is always setting one thing against another. Soul vs spirit. LOL is that going to be on the WWF ? Is that a new action movie also? Like Alien vs Predator ?

More division and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more. Even into the realm of the intangible. My God where does it end ?
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Soul and spirit, i dont care what anyone says , they are different words for the same exact thing. ONLY this evil world of ours that seeks to divide EVERYTHING is what causes a division in soul and spirit also. the world of evil is always setting one thing against another. Soul vs spirit. LOL is that going to be on the WWF ? Is that a new action movie also? Like Alien vs Predator ?

More division and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more. Even into the realm of the intangible. My God where does it end ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 155152

Evil world? Evil bible? Or just "evil" interpretations.

Your "god" started the dividing...

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is living, and active, and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing even to the dividing of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and is able to discern the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
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then God set up the whole world to eventually come to an end because of things he created.
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then God set up the whole world to eventually come to an end because of things he created.
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Or so the people who want us bowing to the image of a tyranical god would have us believe...
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With every ending there is a new begining
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Soul and spirit, i dont care what anyone says , they are different words for the same exact thing. ONLY this evil world of ours that seeks to divide EVERYTHING is what causes a division in soul and spirit also. the world of evil is always setting one thing against another. Soul vs spirit. LOL is that going to be on the WWF ? Is that a new action movie also? Like Alien vs Predator ?

More division and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more and more. Even into the realm of the intangible. My God where does it end ?
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it ends with the return of Christ, Jesus says his yoke is light and burden is easy, man has a way of interferring, complicating and worse yet legalizing the word. think of them as a bunch of wayward catholics. they complicate the scriptures so much you haft to depend upon them for salvation, and in those days many false prophets and christs will come to mislead many. or better yet read 2 peter 3:15-18 untaught and unstable. so much for child like faith.
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Christ is a conciousness he is not comming back as a single being. He is coming back as a conciousness in many beings. These will be the real christ(like) people. The chruches and bible that preach that he is a person want you to believe that "their guy" is the good guy when in fact "their guy" is not the "good guy".

We are all christ/buddha et al. If we choose to act and be so. Period.

The religions that have been in control for far to long fear this knowledge (truth) from coming out so they have programed you to believe their narrow and controling systems.

last time this happened was in the 11th and 13th century with the Cathars and roman catholics. The Cathars understood the truth and implemented it and the catholics killed many thousands of them (and their own catholic chirch members as well) because they could not allow this anti materialism and anti control to escape. This is just another cycle. You/we are all being setup again to believe in a switcheroo.

See christ in yourself then you will see it in others in your every day life.
Until then, keep living the illusion of your choice.

DO some research on the Cathars, you may be surprised. Here is a good place to start.
[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

The simple truth is simple, those that would control you turn it into to many words to understand.

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Interesting reading OP. Made me think. What is ego according to you?
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It is important to understand the difference between the "soul" and the "spirit". It's a common mistake to believe they are both the same, or that they are in fact interchangeable synonyms.
This stems from the "soul's" confusion and entrapment in physical Matter.

However, it is not the "soul" that is imprisoned because the "soul" is not the true spirit as it has been erroneously understood to be.

We are not the body, we are the consciousness. The consciousness is not the physical body, although it is housed in the physical body and encased in the "soul", which is often mistaken for the True Spirit.
The true spirit is not the "soul". The "soul" is really an artificial creation imposed by Darkness trying to imitate a true spirit.

When a "soul" leaves the body at the time of physical death, the true spirit that is encased in the "soul" goes with the "soul" and continues in its imprisonment to the next place of existence. Hence the true spirit is imprisoned and cannot leave until it is totally separated from Matter.
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I will not complicate soul and spirit. They are one in the same. I will not divide and conquer each individual and cause turmoil in the mind. IT is not my way.
We are getting closer to the absolute core of the soul. Signs in Heaven and Earth will increase. The absolute necessity of peace and love will smack us right upside our heads in a big way. One way or another change is gonna come. Big change.
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aliens are doing soul aura-energy experiments down in Dulce base in New Mexico. They say that they trap people who go snooping around there all the time. They trapped Russian remote-viewers... I suppose the body would go into a coma if the soul does not return. What if they found out a way to kill our soul/spirit whatever?
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why don't you say anything about the "self"?
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Re: Soul Vs. Spirit
the body harbors the soul...the soul is the form a spirit takes while in the body. The spirit is eternal
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10/23/2006 02:37 AM
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Re: Soul Vs. Spirit
139726; that's extremely similar to the info I have.
Genetic engineering has been going on secretly for quite a while, but it has only come to public awareness in the last few years.
They have tried to tamper with the human mind, which they have experimented widely, weakening it at will. They are very keen to continue investigations on mind energy in humans. It appears that their immediate interest is in trying to make replications of the human mind. They want to download a living mind into a totally mechanical robot. This is one way they try to clone the human mind. They intend to clone the human mind and insert it into artificial life forms.

They hope to capture the spirits of the victims and encapsulate those spirits in a "time capsule". It is the distorted belief of the "controller" that if it could imprison these spirits and could clone artificial spirits, these would have no will of their own, but would be totally at the mercy of the "controller" and its hierarchy. While this sounds like science fiction, it is indeed the plan.
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10/23/2006 10:31 AM
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Interesting reading OP. Made me think. What is ego according to you?
 Quoting: N.O.S nli 157559



The ego is an aspect of the soul. After all, ego is emotionally based. Is it not?
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Re: Soul Vs. Spirit
why don't you say anything about the "self"?
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Well, in the end, there will be no individual identity, in my opinion. We will return to the cretor and experience through his experience.





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