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UAE: Israel 'must open its nuke stockpile to inspectors'

 
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genesis 17:8
jews are a race,even if a very small one.its not a religion either.but if you have a relationship with jesus,not a religion(john16:2)then you become grafted into the olive tree family of jews.
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Judaism is not a racial group.

Judaism is the religion of a Semitic desert warrior tribe who worship a single masculane deity, who, they claim to be the disinherited children of, and therefore, they feel, and aprarently have been told, they are the "Chosen People" and superior iun very way to the rest of humanity, or should I say the indigenous peoples of Earth.

A person might stop and consider that their were people BEFORE this belief ws encouraged. And these people were directly related to the people who held this just -mentioned belief. And they were told, and believed something too. they were the ancestors opf the former, so how is it that anyone with a logical rational mind could possibly believe "Jews" are a race?

Perhaps that's because of who they are and where they are originally from. ORIGINAALY from.

Anybody know?

Anyone have a guess?

-OSR
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Damn, I should log in so I can edit, anyways, Feyman's another Jewish physicist.
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F-ck the UN, and all the evil and horror it creates.Also, f-ck all you Jew Haters on this thread, for essentially the same reasons.


Interesting. The wolrd wants accountability for its nuclear stockpile and they are 'jew haters'?

Nonsense.

BTW, you do know that being jewish means being part of a relgion and NOT a RACE, right?

Considering Israels recent behaviour, the UAE has reason for concern.
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Like I said, fu2,for all the same reasons.
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Damn, I should log in so I can edit, anyways, Feyman's another Jewish physicist.
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Sheesh. Feynman's another...
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genesis 17:8
jews are a race,even if a very small one.its not a religion either.but if you have a relationship with jesus,not a religion(john16:2)then you become grafted into the olive tree family of jews.



Judaism is not a racial group.

Judaism is the religion of a Semitic desert warrior tribe who worship a single masculane deity, who, they claim to be the disinherited children of, and therefore, they feel, and aprarently have been told, they are the "Chosen People" and superior iun very way to the rest of humanity, or should I say the indigenous peoples of Earth.

A person might stop and consider that their were people BEFORE this belief ws encouraged. And these people were directly related to the people who held this just -mentioned belief. And they were told, and believed something too. they were the ancestors opf the former, so how is it that anyone with a logical rational mind could possibly believe "Jews" are a race?

Perhaps that's because of who they are and where they are originally from. ORIGINAALY from.

Anybody know?

Anyone have a guess?

-OSR
 Quoting: Onesmartrat 157921

Well, since the only truth I have ever seen you post is that you are a rat...
Ever heard of DNA testing? You know, the scientific method that proves the crap about Jews not being Jews but Europeans is a crock?
It also shows that the priestly class of not only Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews, but Ethiopian Jews as well, all descend from the same man, who lived at the time of Aaron.
I am sure you clowns can find someway to say it must just be coincidence--couldn't possibly be that they are all actually, just as Judaism tells them, descendants of Aaron, could it?
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Too bad for Israel when the word gets out that they don't really have any nukes. It was good ploy while it lasted, but the Arabs will turn Israel into a bloodbath without that threat.

i think they invented nukes.not sure.them or the germans.

Wasn't Oppenheimer the one who first discovered how to split the atom? Or was he the one who actually developed the first N-bomb? Either way, the name is German but that does not rule out the possibility that he was also Jewish.
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"i think they invented nukes.not sure.them or the germans."


Really?



This story appeared freely on the Internet at

[link to www.counterpunch.org] on December 16, 2005.

CounterPunch January 31, 2003

The Case of Mordechai Vannunu
Preeminent Hero of the Nuclear Age

by MARK GAFFNEY

Each day we move closer to a Mideast war that could involve the use of horrible weapons, even nukes. In this darkest hour since the 1962 Cuban missile crisis, the shining example of one man's courage has never been more relevant to the cause of peace.

That man is Mordechai Vanunu, former Israeli nuclear technician, and may well be the longest serving prisoner of conscience anywhere in the world. Daniel Ellsberg recently referred to him as "the preeminent hero of the nuclear age." In September 1986, Mordechai Vanunu was illegally abducted by agents of the Mossad for revealing to the world press information that confirmed the existence of Israel's often-denied plutonium separation plant.

The plant is buried eighty feet below ground in the Negev desert, and had long escaped detection. Since the 1960s it has been used to recover plutonium from spent fuel rods from the Dimona nuclear reactor, located nearby. The plant continues to be an integral part of Israel's ongoing nuclear weapons program.

Israel is believed to possess at least 200 nukes.

Then Prime Minister Shimon Peres ordered Vanunu' s abduction to silence the whistleblower, and to bring him to trial for allegedly jeopardizing the securi ty of the state of Israel. But Vanunu's real "crime" was speaking the truth. And for that he was made to suffer a fate worse than death: eleven years and five months in solitary confinement. Isolation in a tiny cell is a well known form of torture, and one that can cause deep emotional scars and mental impairment.

During this period Vanunu was subjected to constant harassments and humiliations: an obvious attempt by the Mossad to "break" his will, or drive him over the edge.

Amnesty International described the conditions of his ordeal as "cruel, inhuman, and degrading." Yet, the prisoner held firm as a rock. Nor has Vanunu since wavered from the position of principle he articulated in the very beginning: that the only sane path is full disclosure and abolition of nuclear weapons.

From his prison cell Mordechai wrote: "It is a dangerous illusion to believe they [nuclear weapons] can be defensive....Only peace between states can promise security." The world gained another glimpse of Vanunu's character in 1998, shortly after his removal from solitary and his placement in the general prison population. At that time he was queried by Israeli officials about whether he would agree to remain silent on the nuclear issue, implying an offer of conditional release. But Vanunu refused.

He insisted on his right to speak freely. And he made it plain that being muzzled on the nuclear issue was non-negotiable: not an option for his release. Vanunu is currently starting the seventeenth year of his eighteen year sentence. One of the causes for which Vanunu risked his life, full disclosure of Israel's nuclear policies, was briefly realized in February 1999, when a debate of the nuclear issue occurred on the floor of the Israeli Knesset.

The event was short-lived. After shouting and recriminations, several Arab members of the Knesset who had sparked the debate were expelled from the chamber. The stormy circumstances showed the extent of denial that remains to be overcome. But it was a victory, nonetheless, for those who favor nuclear abolition. Over the years the case of Mordechai Vanunu has come to symbolize the intractable problem of state secrecy that continues to stymie all efforts toward world nuclear disarmament.

This is why Vanunu has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize every year since1987. Though his name is a household word in Europe, Australia, and throughout much of the rest of the world, here in America Vanunu remains almost unknown. The US press ignores his case because it is an embarrassment to Israel and to the US government. Yet, spotlighting Vanunu for his courage and his witness would have salutary effects.

It would increase public awareness of the folly of President Bush's current Mideast policies. The problem is Bush's double standard: one standard for the US and Israel, another for everyone else. This explains why almost nobody (outside the US) trusts the president when he says he wants to roll back weapons of mass destruction from the Mideast. They correctly understand that Bush is not serious. If he were he would also be pressuring Israel to open its nuclear sites to IAEA inspectors. Israel remains the only state in the region with nuclear weapons.

Mark Gaffney is an anti-nuclear activist and the author of a pioneering 1989 book about Israel's nuclear weapons program: DIMONA, THE THIRD TEMPLE. THE STORY BEHIND THE VANUNU REVELATION.

Mark can be reached for comment at [email protected]

Archived in accordance with "fair use" provisions of copyright law for use by scholars, researchers, and educators for study purposes from Rediff India at [link to www.rediff.com] where it appeared on India's Internet on July 29, 2004.

Israel killed JFK, says Vanunu

Sunday Times reporter held in Israel July 26, 2004

In a startling accusation, nuclear whistleblower Mordechai Vanunu has alleged that Jerusalem was behind the assassination of US President John F. Kennedy, who was exerting pressure on the then Israeli head of state to shed light on the Dimona nuclear plant.In defiance of a ban on talking to the media and meeting with foreigners, Vanunu is said to have made the accusation in an interview to London-based Al-Hayat newspaper.

As per the interview published in newspaper's Arabic supplement Al-Wassat yesterday, Vanunu said according to "near-certain indications", Kennedy was assassinated due to "pressure he exerted on then head of government, David Ben-Gurion, to shed light on Dimona's nuclear reactor". "We do not know which irresponsible Israeli Prime Minister will take office and decide to use nuclear weapons in the struggle against neighboring Arab countries," he is quoted to have said, adding, "What has already been exposed about the weapons Israel is holding can destroy the region and kill millions."

The whistleblower, who was released in April after 18 years of imprisonment on charges of treason for divulging state secrets, also said that the reactor in Dimona, could become a second "Chernobyl", Israili media reported. He said an earthquake could cause fissures to the core and that would cause a massive radiation leak threatening millions.

Vanunu warned that Jordan should test the residents along the border with Israel for exposure to radiation and give them pills just like the Jewish state decided to do for its citizens. Criticising the visit of head of the Atomic Energy Agency, Mohammed el-Baradei, to Israel early this month, he said, "He (Baradei) should have refused to visit Israel (because) he was not allowed to inspect the nuclear reactor." It was not yet clear how al-Hayat did the interview, which the publication claimed is the first with Vanunu since his release.

If it turns out that he in fact gave such an interview in violation of the conditions laid down for his release, severe sanctions might be imposed on him. An Israeli Justice Ministry statement said "the statements that Vanunu made will be examined and if it is determined that he "violated the law or his restrictions, then steps against him will be considered."

"The opinions on Vanunu are divided," said Ra'anan Gissin, a spokesman for Prime Minister Ariel Sharon. "Some say let him speak and it adds to the ambiguity policy, while others say the more he speaks the more he raises? tensions, particularly in the current atmosphere." Brushing aside the latest allegations, he said that serious people understood that Vanunu was speaking nonsense and his comments on JFK were not worthy of a reaction.

The article below has been archived in accordance with "fair use" provision of the copyright law for research, scholarship, and education at the scholarly website, www.jewwatch.com from the Jerusalem Post on the Internet at the URL

[link to www.jpost.com] where it appeared on July 29, 2004. Jul. 25, 2004 8:59 | Updated Jul. 25, 2004 20:54

Vanunu: Israel behind JFK
assassinationBy ARIEH O'SULLIVANComments by freed nuclear spy Mordechai Vanunu that Israel was behind the assassination of US President John F. Kennedy failed to bring smiles to government officials Sunday. One would expect that such claims would portray Vanunu as a man with a credibility problem, but as far as the defense establishment is concern, the former nuclear technician still has secrets to reveal and a declared goal of ending Israel's nuclear program. He shouldn't be talking to the media and is actually barred from meeting with foreigners.

Nevertheless, the London-based al-Hayat published Sunday an interview it claims it had with Vanunu. According to the interview which appeared in its Arabic supplement Al-Wassat, Vanunu said that according to "near-certain indications", Kennedy was assassinated due to "pressure he exerted on then head of government, David Ben-Gurion, to shed light on Dimona's nuclear reactor." "We do not know which irresponsible Israeli prime minister will take office and decide to use nuclear weapons in the struggle against neighboring Arab countries," Vanunu was quoted as saying. "What has already been exposed about the weapons Israel is holding can destroy the region and kill millions." Vanunu also said that the reactor in Dimona, where he worked, could become a second "Chernobyl."

He said that an earthquake could cause fissures to the core and that would cause a massive radiation leak threatening millions. Vanunu warned that Jordan should test the residents along the border with Israel for exposure to radiation and give them pills just like Israel decided to do for its citizens.

Vanunu also criticized the visit to Israel early this month by the head of the Atomic Energy Agency, Mohammed el-Baradei. "He (Baradei) should have refused to have visited Israel (because) he was not allowed to inspect the nuclear reactor," Vanunu said. According to al-Hayat, Vanunu now lives "with his Palestinian friends" in east Jerusalem. It was not clear how al-Hayat did the interview, which the publication claimed with the first Vanunu has granted to a newspaper since his release from Ashkelon prison last April.Vanunu has been barred from granting interviews to foreign media.
For further study...

[link to www.vanunu.freeserve.co.uk]
[link to www.peaceheroes.com]
[link to www.nonviolence.org]
[link to www.israelshamir.net]
[link to www.resist.org.uk]
"I should have been French."

-OSR
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Thanks for the confirmation Shadow .... I was pretty sure it was him but I should've confirmed it for myself (getting a bit lazy I am?!!)


No, you aren't lazy, prolly had a long day and even knowing who is more than I did :)
Interesting stuff. Have you read anything by Richard Feynman? Amazing fellow.
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Well OK, I'm not really, really lazy but at the same time I haven't had a long day by any stretch of the imagination ..... 'tis only 10.30 a.m. here!!

No, I haven't come across any of Feynman's material but thanks for the recommendation ... I'll see if I can dig something up!

Have a pleasant evening Shadow!
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F-ck the UN, and all the evil and horror it creates.Also, f-ck all you Jew Haters on this thread, for essentially the same reasons.


Here's a Cult member now.


LOl


This is an important story, it should be pinned at the top.

Israel is the most dangerous country in the world right now.


-OSR
 Quoting: Onesmartrat 157921

You're the dumbass that parrots every lie he ever heard, but I am a cult member? That's cute.
Israel is the most dangerous country in the world? More cute lies.
The Islamic countries are responsible for hundreds of times as many deaths, unprovoked, as Israel has caused in 60 years of fighting for it's existence.
I know you hate the truth, but there it is.
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Welcome S&S start with 'Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman!' it's fascinating, you'll love it.
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Damn, I should log in so I can edit, anyways, Feyman's another Jewish physicist.


Sheesh. Feynman's another...
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You're so cute Shadow .... you had his name spelt correctly right from the start, ie in your first post to me!!!
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genesis 17:8
jews are a race,even if a very small one.its not a religion either.but if you have a relationship with jesus,not a religion(john16:2)then you become grafted into the olive tree family of jews.



Judaism is not a racial group.

Judaism is the religion of a Semitic desert warrior tribe who worship a single masculane deity, who, they claim to be the disinherited children of, and therefore, they feel, and aprarently have been told, they are the "Chosen People" and superior iun very way to the rest of humanity, or should I say the indigenous peoples of Earth.

A person might stop and consider that their were people BEFORE this belief ws encouraged. And these people were directly related to the people who held this just -mentioned belief. And they were told, and believed something too. they were the ancestors opf the former, so how is it that anyone with a logical rational mind could possibly believe "Jews" are a race?

Perhaps that's because of who they are and where they are originally from. ORIGINAALY from.

Anybody know?

Anyone have a guess?

-OSR
 Quoting: Onesmartrat 157921

it doesnt say in gods word that his chosen people the jews,are superior.dont make things up.it makes your bs that much more pathetic lol.it says we are ALL created in HIS image.you are not going to find the kind of wisdom you need in people who dont beleive in god.as far as the people before the book.perhaps god has sent floods like in noahs day before noah days.only god knows how many times man has gotten so dangerous that they could destroy the planet like we are about to do now?and god had to destroy them first.but god always saves a remnant that believe an know.yes i said know.and they know from supernatural revelation that your worldly wisdon will never understand.
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lets see.a few billion arabs lol vs a few million jews.i would have nukes too.
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lets see.a few billion arabs lol vs a few million jews.i would have nukes too.
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What?!! There are roughly 6 billion people worldwide and you're saying half of them are Arabs??!! lol
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lets see.a few billion arabs lol vs a few million jews.i would have nukes too.

What?!! There are roughly 6 billion people worldwide and you're saying half of them are Arabs??!! lol
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lol ok a billion vs a million does that make you happy lmao anybody ever told you that you are anal?
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If the UN honors this request, and Russia, China, and France approve in the Security Council (even if the US vetoes or abstains), this would be the event that becomes a pretext for "Gog" (Russia?) and its allies to attack Israel.
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If the UN honors this request, and Russia, China, and France approve in the Security Council (even if the US vetoes or abstains), this would be the event that becomes a pretext for "Gog" (Russia?) and its allies to attack Israel.
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NOT LOL they will pout an say feed me feed me give me more money an ill stop crying like a big bitch lmao
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lets see.a few billion arabs lol vs a few million jews.i would have nukes too.

What?!! There are roughly 6 billion people worldwide and you're saying half of them are Arabs??!! lol

lol ok a billion vs a million does that make you happy lmao anybody ever told you that you are anal?
1rof1
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Sheesh!! Do I have to correct everything you say AC?! The crude expression you are using to ask me that offensive question is not "anal" but "anal retentive"!! And the answer to your rude question is a resounding "NO"!!

A word of advice ..... if you don't get your facts straight, then it's better not to say anything!!
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lets see.a few billion arabs lol vs a few million jews.i would have nukes too.

What?!! There are roughly 6 billion people worldwide and you're saying half of them are Arabs??!! lol

lol ok a billion vs a million does that make you happy lmao anybody ever told you that you are anal?
1rof1

Sheesh!! Do I have to correct everything you say AC?! The crude expression you are using to ask me that offensive question is not "anal" but "anal retentive"!! And the answer to your rude question is a resounding "NO"!!

A word of advice ..... if you don't get your facts straight, then it's better not to say anything!!
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lmao jeez mrs nutbags lol why dont you google the total population of arabs an compare it to the total population of jews then an make yourself look stupid.anal retentive swoa lmao
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lets see.a few billion arabs lol vs a few million jews.i would have nukes too.

What?!! There are roughly 6 billion people worldwide and you're saying half of them are Arabs??!! lol

lol ok a billion vs a million does that make you happy lmao anybody ever told you that you are anal?
1rof1

Sheesh!! Do I have to correct everything you say AC?! The crude expression you are using to ask me that offensive question is not "anal" but "anal retentive"!! And the answer to your rude question is a resounding "NO"!!

A word of advice ..... if you don't get your facts straight, then it's better not to say anything!!

lmao jeez mrs nutbags lol why dont you google the total population of arabs an compare it to the total population of jews then an make yourself look stupid.anal retentive swoa lmao
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and i got some advice for you.crawl back under my feet.lmao
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genesis 17:8
jews are a race,even if a very small one.its not a religion either.but if you have a relationship with jesus,not a religion(john16:2)then you become grafted into the olive tree family of jews.



Judaism is not a racial group.

Judaism is the religion of a Semitic desert warrior tribe who worship a single masculane deity, who, they claim to be the disinherited children of, and therefore, they feel, and aprarently have been told, they are the "Chosen People" and superior iun very way to the rest of humanity, or should I say the indigenous peoples of Earth.

A person might stop and consider that their were people BEFORE this belief ws encouraged. And these people were directly related to the people who held this just -mentioned belief. And they were told, and believed something too. they were the ancestors opf the former, so how is it that anyone with a logical rational mind could possibly believe "Jews" are a race?

Perhaps that's because of who they are and where they are originally from. ORIGINAALY from.

Anybody know?

Anyone have a guess?

-OSR

Well, since the only truth I have ever seen you post is that you are a rat...
Ever heard of DNA testing? You know, the scientific method that proves the crap about Jews not being Jews but Europeans is a crock?
It also shows that the priestly class of not only Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews, but Ethiopian Jews as well, all descend from the same man, who lived at the time of Aaron.
I am sure you clowns can find someway to say it must just be coincidence--couldn't possibly be that they are all actually, just as Judaism tells them, descendants of Aaron, could it?
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I would really love to see the definitive studies on the Jewish priestly class. Share your links, please???
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genesis 17:8
jews are a race,even if a very small one.its not a religion either.but if you have a relationship with jesus,not a religion(john16:2)then you become grafted into the olive tree family of jews.



Judaism is not a racial group.

Judaism is the religion of a Semitic desert warrior tribe who worship a single masculane deity, who, they claim to be the disinherited children of, and therefore, they feel, and aprarently have been told, they are the "Chosen People" and superior iun very way to the rest of humanity, or should I say the indigenous peoples of Earth.

A person might stop and consider that their were people BEFORE this belief ws encouraged. And these people were directly related to the people who held this just -mentioned belief. And they were told, and believed something too. they were the ancestors opf the former, so how is it that anyone with a logical rational mind could possibly believe "Jews" are a race?

Perhaps that's because of who they are and where they are originally from. ORIGINAALY from.

Anybody know?

Anyone have a guess?

-OSR

Well, since the only truth I have ever seen you post is that you are a rat...
Ever heard of DNA testing? You know, the scientific method that proves the crap about Jews not being Jews but Europeans is a crock?
It also shows that the priestly class of not only Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews, but Ethiopian Jews as well, all descend from the same man, who lived at the time of Aaron.
I am sure you clowns can find someway to say it must just be coincidence--couldn't possibly be that they are all actually, just as Judaism tells them, descendants of Aaron, could it?


I would really love to see the definitive studies on the Jewish priestly class. Share your links, please???
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do your own research rofl no more pearls for the swine.your just a waste of time.good night lol
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Ha! That's a good one. Let's see the U.A.E. enforce this action. Ha Ha Ha... lmao
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genesis 17:8
jews are a race,even if a very small one.its not a religion either.but if you have a relationship with jesus,not a religion(john16:2)then you become grafted into the olive tree family of jews.



Judaism is not a racial group.

Judaism is the religion of a Semitic desert warrior tribe who worship a single masculane deity, who, they claim to be the disinherited children of, and therefore, they feel, and aprarently have been told, they are the "Chosen People" and superior iun very way to the rest of humanity, or should I say the indigenous peoples of Earth.

A person might stop and consider that their were people BEFORE this belief ws encouraged. And these people were directly related to the people who held this just -mentioned belief. And they were told, and believed something too. they were the ancestors opf the former, so how is it that anyone with a logical rational mind could possibly believe "Jews" are a race?

Perhaps that's because of who they are and where they are originally from. ORIGINAALY from.

Anybody know?

Anyone have a guess?

-OSR

Well, since the only truth I have ever seen you post is that you are a rat...
Ever heard of DNA testing? You know, the scientific method that proves the crap about Jews not being Jews but Europeans is a crock?
It also shows that the priestly class of not only Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews, but Ethiopian Jews as well, all descend from the same man, who lived at the time of Aaron.
I am sure you clowns can find someway to say it must just be coincidence--couldn't possibly be that they are all actually, just as Judaism tells them, descendants of Aaron, could it?


I would really love to see the definitive studies on the Jewish priestly class. Share your links, please???
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I haven't looked it up in a while, but while I begin to look, it was a PBS Nova series--in case you want to search a little too.
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Here is a little something, there is more, but I haven't located it yet:
NOVA: And you returned later to get DNA samples for a Y-chromosome genetic study?

Parfitt: Yes, Neil Bradman and I went to the Hadramaut and collected DNA samples over a number of days. I'd already collected large DNA samples of Lemba, and these went back to the lab in London. Once the analysis had been done, it seemed to show that there was something of an overlap, not specifically with Sena but with the general area of the Hadramaut. It looked entirely plausible that the Lemba Y chromosome and the Y chromosome that we collected in the Hadramaut area had similar features.

In addition to that, there was the extraordinary finding of the Cohen modal haplotype. This is the element in the Y chromosome that appears to be a signature element, if you like, for the Cohanim or Jewish priesthood. The fact that we found this marker in such high concentrations in one of the Lemba subclans, the Buba—much higher, incidentally, than the general Jewish population—seemed finally to provide a real, useable link between the Lemba and Jews.

NOVA: What are the implications, and questions, raised by this finding?

Parfitt: Well, it was very exciting that the Cohen modal haplotype was there in such high quantities in the Buba subclan. I wasn't quite clear what it meant, and common prudence dictated that we deal very carefully with the material. But it did seem on balance that, even though it was impossible to say when this element got into the Lemba genetic stream, it was more probable that it had come from south Arabia simply on historical grounds.


Do the Lemba have a Jewish ancestry, as they claim? The evidence is mounting in their favor.
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We know, for instance, that there was no white or Jewish penetration of Africa until very recent times. But we do know that there was a Semitic population on the east coast of Africa, and we do know that Jews had lived in south Arabia. So the balance of probability is that the Y chromosome came, let's say, a thousand years ago from south Arabia rather than, I don't know, from some wandering Jewish peddler of whom we've never heard.

NOVA: What was the most amazing thing to you about all this?

Parfitt: Well, in a way I suppose it's the old adage that the observed interacts with the observer, so the Lemba today are completely different from the Lemba that I first met when I started on my journey several years ago. And as we speak, some North American Jews are arriving among the Lemba of South Africa on a two-year mission to bring them mainstream Judaism, complete with a library and with Torah scrolls and everything else. So as a result of my work, though it was in no sense intended, they have become, if you like, properly Jewish and recognized as such by quite a number of people, particularly in America.



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Judaism is the religion of a Semitic desert warrior tribe who worship a single masculane deity
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no, they dont worship a single deity. they have several gods. Elohim, Yahve, Sabbaot etc. THEY ARE POLYTHEISTS.
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Welcome S&S start with 'Surely You're Joking, Mr. Feynman!' it's fascinating, you'll love it.
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"My Brain is Open" is a pretty good book about Erdos.
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Finally, applause





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