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Lucifer thinks of himself as the 'Shepherd of Man' (and other stuff nobody told me)

 
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Owls are Moloch, symbolically I don't think they extend to the beast.
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The Gate of the Dead

She sits at the Gate of the Dead, and she guards it so the unready will not slip through. She meets lost souls needing confirmation they have passed. They stand in line to greet her at her desk, where she hands out a special letter in an envelope. This letter has the ghost’s name on it. When they have taken the letter, they step out of the line and the next ghost arrives. They do not open the letter until they are ready to learn that they are dead, whereupon they must cease their wanderings in the land of the living.

She writes the letters for each soul herself, owing each the consideration once shown to her long long ago, when she had become a lost soul. Inside the envelope , magic words are written on the page, words that trigger memories, causing the lost soul to remember the moment of death. It is a visceral reality they must undergo to enter the realm of peace, a delicate and emotional trial. That is why, she advises each - they must be careful not to push themselves too soon - and to mark this suggestion, she wraps each envelope in a red ribbon, so it cannot be opened without determination.
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Get out of my head. She is chained to that desk. She is mother of all souls and has great weight in deciding where they go next. The ribbons are different colors depending ...
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Oh? That sounds even more right. Good to know. I saw this stuff in a dream this morning and had to write it down before it escaped me. I kept saying it in my head.
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Verrrrrry interesting that you know of this too! blink
Must be archetypal
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Owls are Moloch, symbolically I don't think they extend to the beast.
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Lillith, again, doesn't extend to the beast. You're using satanic imagery as 666.
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The Gate of the Dead

She sits at the Gate of the Dead, and she guards it so the unready will not slip through. She meets lost souls needing confirmation they have passed. They stand in line to greet her at her desk, where she hands out a special letter in an envelope. This letter has the ghost’s name on it. When they have taken the letter, they step out of the line and the next ghost arrives. They do not open the letter until they are ready to learn that they are dead, whereupon they must cease their wanderings in the land of the living.

She writes the letters for each soul herself, owing each the consideration once shown to her long long ago, when she had become a lost soul. Inside the envelope , magic words are written on the page, words that trigger memories, causing the lost soul to remember the moment of death. It is a visceral reality they must undergo to enter the realm of peace, a delicate and emotional trial. That is why, she advises each - they must be careful not to push themselves too soon - and to mark this suggestion, she wraps each envelope in a red ribbon, so it cannot be opened without determination.
 Quoting: Kayli Lark


Get out of my head. She is chained to that desk. She is mother of all souls and has great weight in deciding where they go next. The ribbons are different colors depending ...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70137827


Oh? That sounds even more right. Good to know. I saw this stuff in a dream this morning and had to write it down before it escaped me. I kept saying it in my head.
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Verrrrrry interesting that you know of this too! blink
Must be archetypal
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There are a few archetypal females floating around that keep getting lumped into one ...I am getting to KNOW them better all the time and sort them out. Saw the woman sitting at desk giving out new assignments in 2013, took awhile to get to KNOW her. She's very misunderstood. Love incarnate. True love.
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Get out of my head. She is chained to that desk. She is mother of all souls and has great weight in deciding where they go next. The ribbons are different colors depending ...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70137827


Oh? That sounds even more right. Good to know. I saw this stuff in a dream this morning and had to write it down before it escaped me. I kept saying it in my head.
 Quoting: Kayli Lark


Verrrrrry interesting that you know of this too! blink
Must be archetypal
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There are a few archetypal females floating around that keep getting lumped into one ...I am getting to KNOW them better all the time and sort them out. Saw the woman sitting at desk giving out new assignments in 2013, took awhile to get to KNOW her. She's very misunderstood. Love incarnate. True love.
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Love has a hard time remaining incarnate with all the glorified death this world happily showers over us.
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The wise are rarely happy, and the happy are often ignorant. Sometimes it's okay to be ignorant for a little while though, so we can be happy for a little while, I think.
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That statement holds no truth. False wisdom is rarely happy and the false happy are often ignorant is closer to the truth.
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The wise are rarely happy, and the happy are often ignorant. Sometimes it's okay to be ignorant for a little while though, so we can be happy for a little while, I think.
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That statement holds no truth. False wisdom is rarely happy and the false happy are often ignorant is closer to the truth.
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I don't think there is such a thing as 'false' happiness. Who is to say an emotion isn't real? You think that, because it is ignorant, the happiness of say a child is not real? But who declares when an emotion is real or pretend? An emotion is a qualia, it's something that is its own end - you can't say one person's experience of happiness is more meaningful and real then somebody else's.

Rather perhaps we can say that attaining happiness is not the highest virtue of the human condition, for wisdom has its own rewards. Happiness is pleasant, but I don't think that it's what makes humanity worth salvaging.
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The wise are rarely happy, and the happy are often ignorant. Sometimes it's okay to be ignorant for a little while though, so we can be happy for a little while, I think.
 Quoting: Kayli Lark

That statement holds no truth. False wisdom is rarely happy and the false happy are often ignorant is closer to the truth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71357388


I don't think there is such a thing as 'false' happiness. Who is to say an emotion isn't real? You think that, because it is ignorant, the happiness of say a child is not real? But who declares when an emotion is real or pretend? An emotion is a qualia, it's something that is its own end - you can't say one person's experience of happiness is more meaningful and real then somebody else's.

Rather perhaps we can say that attaining happiness is not the highest virtue of the human condition, for wisdom has its own rewards. Happiness is pleasant, but I don't think that it's what makes humanity worth salvaging.
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I am not saying the emotion isn't real. What I mean by false is it does not hit all areas. Like low light in a dark room doesn't hit all areas of the room.
The highest of virtues is the lowest of virtues.
The happiness of a child combined with the wisdom of the adult is closer.
Humanity is what makes humanity with salvaging. The pain of it. The joy of it. The sorrow. The laughter. The peace. So on
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The gate of the dead.
Red ribbon is pain wrapped around the memory to remember as pain causes remembrance.
It can also cause lies to become truth as shown to fool lie detectors.
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The wise are rarely happy, and the happy are often ignorant. Sometimes it's okay to be ignorant for a little while though, so we can be happy for a little while, I think.
 Quoting: Kayli Lark

That statement holds no truth. False wisdom is rarely happy and the false happy are often ignorant is closer to the truth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71357388


I don't think there is such a thing as 'false' happiness. Who is to say an emotion isn't real? You think that, because it is ignorant, the happiness of say a child is not real? But who declares when an emotion is real or pretend? An emotion is a qualia, it's something that is its own end - you can't say one person's experience of happiness is more meaningful and real then somebody else's.

Rather perhaps we can say that attaining happiness is not the highest virtue of the human condition, for wisdom has its own rewards. Happiness is pleasant, but I don't think that it's what makes humanity worth salvaging.
 Quoting: Kayli Lark


I am not saying the emotion isn't real. What I mean by false is it does not hit all areas. Like low light in a dark room doesn't hit all areas of the room.
The highest of virtues is the lowest of virtues.
The happiness of a child combined with the wisdom of the adult is closer.
Humanity is what makes humanity with salvaging. The pain of it. The joy of it. The sorrow. The laughter. The peace. So on
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So what's worth saving in mankind when we loose our humanity?
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The gate of the dead.
Red ribbon is pain wrapped around the memory to remember as pain causes remembrance.
It can also cause lies to become truth as shown to fool lie detectors.
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Well at what point do lies become the truth? I think it's when we start to believe them, and start building our lives around them. And then of course one wonders what happens when the weak foundation crumbles, do entire empires fall?
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The gate of the dead.
Red ribbon is pain wrapped around the memory to remember as pain causes remembrance.
It can also cause lies to become truth as shown to fool lie detectors.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71357388


Well at what point do lies become the truth? I think it's when we start to believe them, and start building our lives around them. And then of course one wonders what happens when the weak foundation crumbles, do entire empires fall?
 Quoting: Kayli Lark


Depends on the lie? Is the earth still flat? Is man still alone in the cosmos?

Seems both are up to the roman papal office to decide imo.
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The gate of the dead.
Red ribbon is pain wrapped around the memory to remember as pain causes remembrance.
It can also cause lies to become truth as shown to fool lie detectors.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71357388


Well at what point do lies become the truth? I think it's when we start to believe them, and start building our lives around them. And then of course one wonders what happens when the weak foundation crumbles, do entire empires fall?
 Quoting: Kayli Lark


Depends on the lie? Is the earth still flat? Is man still alone in the cosmos?

Seems both are up to the roman papal office to decide imo.
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chuckle
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The gate of the dead.
Red ribbon is pain wrapped around the memory to remember as pain causes remembrance.
It can also cause lies to become truth as shown to fool lie detectors.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71357388


Well at what point do lies become the truth? I think it's when we start to believe them, and start building our lives around them. And then of course one wonders what happens when the weak foundation crumbles, do entire empires fall?
 Quoting: Kayli Lark


Depends on the lie? Is the earth still flat? Is man still alone in the cosmos?

Seems both are up to the roman papal office to decide imo.
 Quoting: HilosPP


chuckle
I like your sense of humor.
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Thank you
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The wise are rarely happy, and the happy are often ignorant. Sometimes it's okay to be ignorant for a little while though, so we can be happy for a little while, I think.
 Quoting: Kayli Lark

That statement holds no truth. False wisdom is rarely happy and the false happy are often ignorant is closer to the truth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71357388


I don't think there is such a thing as 'false' happiness. Who is to say an emotion isn't real? You think that, because it is ignorant, the happiness of say a child is not real? But who declares when an emotion is real or pretend? An emotion is a qualia, it's something that is its own end - you can't say one person's experience of happiness is more meaningful and real then somebody else's.

Rather perhaps we can say that attaining happiness is not the highest virtue of the human condition, for wisdom has its own rewards. Happiness is pleasant, but I don't think that it's what makes humanity worth salvaging.
 Quoting: Kayli Lark


I am not saying the emotion isn't real. What I mean by false is it does not hit all areas. Like low light in a dark room doesn't hit all areas of the room.
The highest of virtues is the lowest of virtues.
The happiness of a child combined with the wisdom of the adult is closer.
Humanity is what makes humanity with salvaging. The pain of it. The joy of it. The sorrow. The laughter. The peace. So on
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You think emotion is like a 'palate' with a range of flavors? I suppose I could buy something like that. Existence may be justified in and of itself, that is not a bad argument. But I don't know if it's emotions themselves that make our lives worth living. Certainly not just blind feeling.

I think there is a pinnacle we can reach as humans which transcends even the most intense or real experience you could fathom. That depth, or height, of the human experience, involves the human spirit.
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Maybe its wise to remember our salvation is a reflection of our saviour(s) and not us?
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Maybe its wise to remember our salvation is a reflection of our saviour(s) and not us?
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I don't know if that's wise. Humanity doesn't have saviors, we have to save ourselves.
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That statement holds no truth. False wisdom is rarely happy and the false happy are often ignorant is closer to the truth.
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I don't think there is such a thing as 'false' happiness. Who is to say an emotion isn't real? You think that, because it is ignorant, the happiness of say a child is not real? But who declares when an emotion is real or pretend? An emotion is a qualia, it's something that is its own end - you can't say one person's experience of happiness is more meaningful and real then somebody else's.

Rather perhaps we can say that attaining happiness is not the highest virtue of the human condition, for wisdom has its own rewards. Happiness is pleasant, but I don't think that it's what makes humanity worth salvaging.
 Quoting: Kayli Lark


I am not saying the emotion isn't real. What I mean by false is it does not hit all areas. Like low light in a dark room doesn't hit all areas of the room.
The highest of virtues is the lowest of virtues.
The happiness of a child combined with the wisdom of the adult is closer.
Humanity is what makes humanity with salvaging. The pain of it. The joy of it. The sorrow. The laughter. The peace. So on
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71357388


You think emotion is like a 'palate' with a range of flavors? I suppose I could buy something like that. Existence may be justified in and of itself, that is not a bad argument. But I don't know if it's emotions themselves that make our lives worth living. Certainly not just blind feeling.

I think there is a pinnacle we can reach as humans which transcends even the most intense or real experience you could fathom. That depth, or height, of the human experience, involves the human spirit.
 Quoting: Kayli Lark


Having gone without emotion for what seems like too long, there's certainly an appreciation/respect that I've developed.

Does that connect?

The inclinations I have that relate to your last paragraph seem to conflict with my emotions and introduce an ill surrogate instead.

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The gate of the dead.
Red ribbon is pain wrapped around the memory to remember as pain causes remembrance.
It can also cause lies to become truth as shown to fool lie detectors.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71357388


Well at what point do lies become the truth? I think it's when we start to believe them, and start building our lives around them. And then of course one wonders what happens when the weak foundation crumbles, do entire empires fall?
 Quoting: Kayli Lark


Illusion. The basis of illusion to the fact that it is beloved in the moment under pressure.
Bend to break into something hopefully new.
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Well at what point do lies become the truth? I think it's when we start to believe them, and start building our lives around them. And then of course one wonders what happens when the weak foundation crumbles, do entire empires fall?
 Quoting: Kayli Lark


Depends on the lie? Is the earth still flat? Is man still alone in the cosmos?

Seems both are up to the roman papal office to decide imo.
 Quoting: HilosPP


chuckle
I like your sense of humor.
 Quoting: Kayli Lark


Thank you
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That statement holds no truth. False wisdom is rarely happy and the false happy are often ignorant is closer to the truth.
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I don't think there is such a thing as 'false' happiness. Who is to say an emotion isn't real? You think that, because it is ignorant, the happiness of say a child is not real? But who declares when an emotion is real or pretend? An emotion is a qualia, it's something that is its own end - you can't say one person's experience of happiness is more meaningful and real then somebody else's.

Rather perhaps we can say that attaining happiness is not the highest virtue of the human condition, for wisdom has its own rewards. Happiness is pleasant, but I don't think that it's what makes humanity worth salvaging.
 Quoting: Kayli Lark


I am not saying the emotion isn't real. What I mean by false is it does not hit all areas. Like low light in a dark room doesn't hit all areas of the room.
The highest of virtues is the lowest of virtues.
The happiness of a child combined with the wisdom of the adult is closer.
Humanity is what makes humanity with salvaging. The pain of it. The joy of it. The sorrow. The laughter. The peace. So on
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71357388


You think emotion is like a 'palate' with a range of flavors? I suppose I could buy something like that. Existence may be justified in and of itself, that is not a bad argument. But I don't know if it's emotions themselves that make our lives worth living. Certainly not just blind feeling.

I think there is a pinnacle we can reach as humans which transcends even the most intense or real experience you could fathom. That depth, or height, of the human experience, involves the human spirit.
 Quoting: Kayli Lark

Emotion is how one experiences, just like senses, mind, and spirit. To put experiencing spirit as the pinnacle is what many do. It is why the earth goes through Kali so hard transition. Days of Noah type of thing.
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Maybe its wise to remember our salvation is a reflection of our saviour(s) and not us?
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I don't know if that's wise. Humanity doesn't have saviors, we have to save ourselves.
 Quoting: Kayli Lark


You're the one who brought up saving humanity. All of our history is filled with the hero's who led us in the times of darkness thru to the light. I disagree but do see your standing on such matters.
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Is anyone awake? What a weird couple of days. I feel a lot better.
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I am awake. Sun rising now.
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I am awake. Sun rising now.
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I have to keep checking my phone to see what time it is back there in the US. It's 1:28PM here.
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Did you give or possibly sell your log in information to Aether so he could use you account from Spain or are you actually in Spain?
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Did you give or possibly sell your log in information to Aether so he could use you account from Spain or are you actually in Spain?
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I really am in Spain.
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