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Pollyannuh, I'm calling you out

 
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Pollyannuh, I'm calling you out
In your zeal to stump for the Democrats, you have repeatedly ignored the fact that many Democrats voted for the war, for BOTH PATRIOT Acts, and to suspend Habeas Corpus. Why do you gloss over that? Do you advocate that a Democrat be returned to office after voting away our freedoms? A wolf in sheeps clothing is still a wolf.

Senate Democrats who voted this way (this does even include the house):

How they voted:

P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act I

Measure Number: H.R. 3162 (Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism (USA PATRIOT ACT) Act of 2001 )
Measure Title: A bill to deter and punish terrorist acts in the United States and around the world, to enhance law enforcement investigatory tools, and for other purposes.
Vote Counts: YEAs 98
NAYs 1
Not Voting 1


Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
Boxer (D-CA), Yea
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Dodd (D-CT), Yea
Lieberman (D-CT), Yea
Biden (D-DE), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Graham (D-FL), Yea
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Miller (D-GA), Yea
Akaka (D-HI), Yea
Inouye (D-HI), Yea
Durbin (D-IL), Yea
Bayh (D-IN), Yea
Harkin (D-IA), Yea
Breaux (D-LA), Yea
Landrieu (D-LA), Not Voting (cop out)
Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
Sarbanes (D-MD), Yea
Kennedy (D-MA), Yea
Kerry (D-MA), Yea
Levin (D-MI), Yea
Stabenow (D-MI), Yea
Dayton (D-MN), Yea
Wellstone (D-MN), Yea
Carnahan (D-MO), Yea
Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Reid (D-NV), Yea
Corzine (D-NJ), Yea
Torricelli (D-NJ), Yea
Bingaman (D-NM), Yea
Clinton (D-NY), Yea
Schumer (D-NY), Yea
Edwards (D-NC), Yea
Conrad (D-ND), Yea
Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
Wyden (D-OR), Yea
Reed (D-RI), Yea
Hollings (D-SC), Yea
Daschle (D-SD), Yea
Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Leahy (D-VT), Yea
Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
Murray (D-WA), Yea
Byrd (D-WV), Yea
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Kohl (D-WI), Yea


P.A.T.R.I.O.T. Act II

U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 109th Congress - 2nd Session

as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate


Vote Summary

Question: On the Conference Report (H.R. 3199 Conference Report )
Vote Number: 29 Vote Date: March 2, 2006, 03:01 PM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Conference Report Agreed to
Measure Number: H.R. 3199 (USA PATRIOT Improvement and Reauthorization Act of 2005 )
Measure Title: A bill to extend and modify authorities needed to combat terrorism, and for other purposes.
Vote Counts: YEAs 89
NAYs 10
Not Voting 1


Lincoln (D-AR), Yea
Pryor (D-AR), Yea
Boxer (D-CA), Yea
Feinstein (D-CA), Yea
Salazar (D-CO), Yea
Dodd (D-CT), Yea
Lieberman (D-CT), Yea
Biden (D-DE), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Inouye (D-HI), Not Voting
Durbin (D-IL), Yea
Obama (D-IL), Yea
Bayh (D-IN), Yea
Louisiana: Landrieu (D-LA), Yea Mikulski (D-MD), Yea
Sarbanes (D-MD), Yea
Kennedy (D-MA), Yea
Kerry (D-MA), Yea
Stabenow (D-MI), Yea
Dayton (D-MN), Yea
Baucus (D-MT), Yea
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Reid (D-NV), Yea
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea
Menendez (D-NJ), Yea
Clinton (D-NY), Yea
Schumer (D-NY), Yea
Conrad (D-ND), Yea
Dorgan (D-ND), Yea
Wyden (D-OR), Nay
Reed (D-RI), Yea
Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Cantwell (D-WA), Yea
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
Kohl (D-WI), Yea


Military Commissions Act (suspending Habeas Corpus)

U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 109th Congress - 2nd Session

as compiled through Senate LIS by the Senate Bill Clerk under the direction of the Secretary of the Senate


Vote Summary

Question: On Passage of the Bill (S. 3930 As Amended )
Vote Number: 259 Vote Date: September 28, 2006, 06:37 PM
Required For Majority: 1/2 Vote Result: Bill Passed
Measure Number: S. 3930
Measure Title: A bill to authorize trial by military commission for violations of the law of war, and for other purposes.
Vote Counts: YEAs 65
NAYs 34
Not Voting 1


Pryor (D-AR), Yea
Salazar (D-CO), Yea
Lieberman (D-CT), Yea
Carper (D-DE), Yea
Nelson (D-FL), Yea
Landrieu (D-LA), Yea
Stabenow (D-MI), Yea
Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Lautenberg (D-NJ), Yea
Menendez (D-NJ), Yea
Johnson (D-SD), Yea
Rockefeller (D-WV), Yea
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Re: Pollyannuh, I'm calling you out
Don't be such a dumbass OP.
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polly is busy talking to someone with a brain, can i take a message?
"By way of deception, thou shalt do war."

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lol
"One day you wake up
but you didn't even know
you were asleep."
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OP does have a point.
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polly is busy talking to someone with a brain, can i take a message?
 Quoting: malu



Malu, Debbie Stabenow voted to give Bush his dictatorship. She's on all three lists, above. Do you support her?
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polly is busy talking to someone with a brain, can i take a message?



Malu, Debbie Stabenow voted to give Bush his dictatorship. She's on all three lists, above. Do you support her?
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nope! i will not vote for either party, they are one and the same really, but the repubs are bent on destroying this country in general
"By way of deception, thou shalt do war."

Israel's Mossad

"The truth shall set you free."

U.S. Central Intelligence Agency Motto
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the op has a point

they are all culpable

come nov 7

piss on the polling booths
and
in the polling booths

show em how you really feel
ruin their voting experience
short circut diebold
and fuck em
if they cant take a joke
its time for a new
punchline



peace
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Let's see here... who do I want for to watch over me chicken coop... the fox or the coyote?????
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The OP is right. Fuck all of you who think different.
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polly is busy talking to someone with a brain, can i take a message?



Malu, Debbie Stabenow voted to give Bush his dictatorship. She's on all three lists, above. Do you support her?



nope! i will not vote for either party, they are one and the same really, but the repubs are bent on destroying this country in general
 Quoting: malu


I agree, but they Repugs have had the support of most of the Democrats. My contention is they should NOT be rewarded for what they have done - stabbed us in the back. Polly, on the other hand, is pushing vote Dems, no matter if they are fascists, too! We will NEVER get our country back if we don't have the guts to vote for the persoan, and not the party.
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OP is right, you citizens of the USA whine about how you are losing all your human rights and constitutional protections.. then what do you propose to do about it?
Vote Democrat?
In a real democracy,
a multi-party democracy
like the rest of the world has
we would vote both those parties out of existence.
There is nothing in your constitution that limits you to 2 parties.
Oh I forgot, your congress just abolished the constitution.
Well it doesn't matter any way.
If you don't vote on paper, Diebold will just come out with a preordained tally anyway.
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This is really a battle of GOOD vs EVIL. One side wants PEACE and the other side wants WAR. Cast your vote.
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no, this is a battle of evil vs evil. I'm gonna stay home. They are both evil, they are both puppets of the very very rich who is in power, those who wants to suppress free energy and medical cures, and information to keep their control. Those who invented AIDS too.
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They all want war.

OP right again!
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Here in Australia, we also have 2 party system(Liberals - Labor). It seems what happens to America now, we in Australia will 1 day experience. Australia is about 5 to 10 years behind, following in the same footsteps. That is probably why it is so hard to tell where Bush ends and Howard starts. Vote independent and keep the bastards honest used to be the cry here to support the biggest minor party, until that minor party rolled over into bed with them. We actually call that party, the Democrat party.
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This is really a battle of GOOD vs EVIL. One side wants PEACE and the other side wants WAR. Cast your vote.
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What side wants peace? I presume you mean in the battel of good vs. evil. evil being 99% of the Republicans, and 98% of the Democrats? Who are the good guys?
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polly is busy talking to someone with a brain, can i take a message?
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You took the words right out of my mouth, Malu!!

*************

As for you Op ..... ever heard of "freedom of speech" 'cause if you have, then you must realise that Polly is merely exercising that freedom! You, on the other hand, with this thread are attempting to stifle it! How hypocritical is that?!
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IF YOU SUPPORTED BUSH, A YELLOW RIBBON WON'T MAKE UP FOR IT
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polly is busy talking to someone with a brain, can i take a message?

You took the words right out of my mouth, Malu!!

*************

As for you Op ..... ever heard of "freedom of speech" 'cause if you have, then you must realise that Polly is merely exercising that freedom! You, on the other hand, with this thread are attempting to stifle it! How hypocritical is that?!
 Quoting: Sense and Sensibility 2


Man, you are a stupid bunch! Just yesterday Polly was on here telling all not to vote unless they vote democrat.

Yup, polly believes in 'freedom', allright.

How hypocritical are you, now?


OP:
They can't stand the truth.
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All Polly ever does is come on here and spread her anti-American bullshit. I don't know why you people stick up for such a douche.
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OP is right, you citizens of the USA whine about how you are losing all your human rights and constitutional protections.. then what do you propose to do about it?
Vote Democrat?
In a real democracy,
a multi-party democracy
like the rest of the world has
we would vote both those parties out of existence.
There is nothing in your constitution that limits you to 2 parties.
Oh I forgot, your congress just abolished the constitution.
Well it doesn't matter any way.
If you don't vote on paper, Diebold will just come out with a preordained tally anyway.
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}} Major-General Sir Isaac Brock KB (6 October 1769 October 13, 1812) was a British Major-General and administrator. Brock is best remembered as a brilliant leader and strategist for his actions while stationed in the Canadian colonies. His efforts earned him a knighthood, accolades, and the moniker The Hero of Upper Canada.

Brock was assigned to Canada in 1802, and became responsible for defending the territory from the United States during the War of 1812. While many in Canada and in Britain believed war could be averted, he began readying the army and militia for what was to come. When war broke out, the populace was prepared and quick victories at Fort Mackinac and Detroit crippled American invasion efforts.

During Sir Isaac's tenure he faced desertions and near mutinies, was injured in battle and nearly died from fever. His heroics earned him membership in the Order of the Bath, and he had the privilege of serving alongside Lord Nelson and Tecumseh. His death in the Battle of Queenston Heights was a crushing blow to British leadership.
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kudos to pollyannuh for blowing off this thread so far. i hope she continues to blow it off and support democratic practices as best as can be done in the American Constitutional Republic.

in the United States the Constitutional Republic began with the formation of the electoral college.


i believe it was in 1789, if i am wrong MAYBE someone will point it out.

cultivating a half-understanding or complete ignorance in the way federal politics work is how the rich keep getting richer and how the so called "Illuminated Bloodliners" have passed power on from generation to generation since the american continent was invaded...in the same way that South Africa and Australia were invaded...

but the idea is that to understand the difference between Constitutional Republic -- which borders on the tyranny of Monarchy -- and Representational Democracy which many people, MAYBE including pollyannuh, i don't know -- say that they want but don't understand...

...one has to go back to Plato and many centuries ago. when more people are ready to take that intellectual plunge well, perhaps the United States will be closer to a Democracy.

It's more like a DYING SECRET that the United States has never been a representational -- or actual -- democracy. it's about a blind spot -- as when people are quick to hail Thomas Jefferson as the father of the Democratic Ideal -- even though he -- as did Greeks of Plato's time - owned slaves.

slavery is anathema to the idea of democracy. It's a big challenge as many people have generations of not knowing what Democracy really is -- and yet bragging about freedom.

But Jefferson and his Comrades who owned slaves?

celebrating them as champions of freedom as americans have been fooled into is why there is such a strained and limited seeming sort of freedom in the United States now...



in addition the Nazi/Fascist mentality is present in the United States in large numbers -- as it was during the Revolutionary period -- when Native Americans and Africans were treated by the invading, colonizing Anglos as Jewry was treated by the German National Socialists during world war two.


the fact is is that it's sort of complex, and the fact that you sort of have to understand Plato and the mentality of the Government system in Plato's time to really make a change --


that's on purpose.

people have lived and died asking questions like these for Generations. and OLD GEORGE -- not the stuttering son, but the living tyrant/patriarch -- DEPENDS on that confused questioning among the many and people never really getting to the real answers...because of course, Dubya has sons and daughters -- and Prescott and Samuel were dynasts.

The Bush Goal is to create a way for their family bloodline to rule -- as monarchs protected in part by the Vox Populi's ignorance of exactly that philosophy which could save them from the wage-slavemasters -

pure representational democract.


so basically...when the topicstarter talks about democrats being voted into office after voting away our freedoms -- they are referring to democrats who are democrats in name only. Sort of like if your parents named you Emperor King Larry but you never had any real power to rule over anything.

if someone in Politics calls themself a democrat but does all their politicking to ensure and shore up the constitutional republic -- lookin towards the interests of megabusiness and making sure the federal infrastructure does NOT change to serve the interests of the bulk of society

than they are just CALLING themselves "Democrats" taking advantage of that societal bulk's sad, lamentable -- and CURABLE -- ignorance of the facts of what Constitutional Republic is. But they are Not Friends Of Democratic Goings-On - they are advocates and champions of Republic.

as in:Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. As of People's Republic of China and as in any nation with the word "Republic" in their official title -- including the absurdity of Democratic Republics, which are like "cold heat" or "anarcho-socialism."

it's a contradiction in terms. an absurdity. it doesn't happen. there is no such thing as a Democratic Republic, in other words - when people go to vote in a Democratic Republic the same old system gets shored up - and that is a infrastructure of Republic.


this seems long and drawn out. But Plato died a LONG time ago.

and toga wearing, vomitorioum - hanging - out - at, paedophile consorting with, slavegirl hair burning Plato was and remains the "father" of and primary architect of Republic.

people have tended not to understand for the many many years since the death of Plato.
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OP is correct, Democrats voted for the war along with the Repubs. I'm sick of both parties but the Democrats more so because they are a "fair weather" party--if things were going good in Iraq (which they aren't), they would be on every news outlet taking credit and sucking the oxygen out of the White House press room. Bush is really hurting the Repubs by saying he agrees with Americans in that he's not happy with the war.
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I would have responded to this thread had I seen it earlier.

Apologies to the OP, and thanks to those who are kindred spirits in wanting to change the direction of this country.

Unfortunately, it's late for me and I'm going to bed.

I will come back tomorrow and post, because I do not deliberately ignore someone when they take the time to ask a question.

Tomorrow, OP.
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Fighting fascism you just don't get it.
Everyone knows that Democrats are spineless! Your just trying to shift the focus from the fact that Republicians have historicly been the ones that protected the constitution for us all. How could they have come to this? Dem's are crazy, but Rep's are dangerous. I can live with crazy.
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OP is correct, Democrats voted for the war along with the Repubs. I'm sick of both parties but the Democrats more so because they are a "fair weather" party--if things were going good in Iraq (which they aren't), they would be on every news outlet taking credit and sucking the oxygen out of the White House press room. Bush is really hurting the Repubs by saying he agrees with Americans in that he's not happy with the war.
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Please do exercise your right to vote!
If the Republicans win the vote, who's to say they don't keep the same administration? Is that what you want?
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polly is busy talking to someone with a brain, can i take a message?

You took the words right out of my mouth, Malu!!

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As for you Op ..... ever heard of "freedom of speech" 'cause if you have, then you must realise that Polly is merely exercising that freedom! You, on the other hand, with this thread are attempting to stifle it! How hypocritical is that?!
 Quoting: Sense and Sensibility 2



Excuse me. In what way have I stifled Polly's freedom of speech? In case you missed it, EVERYONE here is free to speak.

So, you imply that I don't have a brain. Why do you say that? Is it because you have an aversion to the truth, and you would rather make an ad hominem, than address the questions that I've asked?
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What the hell is going on here?
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polly is busy talking to someone with a brain, can i take a message?

You took the words right out of my mouth, Malu!!

*************

As for you Op ..... ever heard of "freedom of speech" 'cause if you have, then you must realise that Polly is merely exercising that freedom! You, on the other hand, with this thread are attempting to stifle it! How hypocritical is that?!
 Quoting: Sense and Sensibility 2


Sorry, I also meant to ask if malu took the words right out of your mouth when he stated he would not be voting to re-elect the Democrat senator of Michigan, because of what she has done. Did he?





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