Jack,

I feel your pain!!! I was hooked on blues for 10 years - started subs in 2010 .. knew they were just as bad and planned for a quick exit. that never happened but by 2012 had tampered to 2mgs - that's when I went cold (everything, not even beer). Yes it sucked day 3-4 are the worst but once you can start sleeping again the rest is mental. -- Sub is NOT like oxy withdrawal. - BTW, from people I've spoken with stopping at .5-4mgs of sub .. withdrawal is all the same. - I have a friend who stopped on 4mg of subs but took mad amounts of loperamide (which any longtime addict knows about) - and he said it was smooth.

Today if I had it to do over again, I'd go as long as possible w/ nothing - then use kratom .. it's great shit and even if taken for months, you can quit w/ out wd's.

As for the benzos .. they are bad!! - Xanax is the worst!! especially if you've been taking it every day .. the withdrawal can cause seizures - so please be super careful .. you're best bet w/ those is to tamper, substitute if really "needed" .. and stop!

You know your body more than anyone. The mental fight is your own but just KNOW .. you can do it .. and the other side IS AMAZING!!

GOOD LUCK!!!