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aether (OP) User ID: 28780898 United Kingdom 11/27/2019 01:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That makes it easier to see how there could be opposing views, going back to you saying you see success where others see failure - or vice-versa. Differing levels of emotional satisfaction gained from the same experience. Quoting: It's A Secret I would think it would also go back to what the expectation of the experience was and the emotional value attached to the expectation. The experience itself may hold more value to one party, while the outcome is of more importance to another. It would seem that if the value lies in the experience, it would be easier to be satisfied with the outcome because there is little emotional attachment to it. Whereas if the outcome holds the emotional value and is not emotionally satisfying, the entire experience could be felt as a failure - tainted emotionally by an unsatisfactory outcome. yes Last Edited by aether on 11/27/2019 01:58 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76972080 United States 11/27/2019 02:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That makes it easier to see how there could be opposing views, going back to you saying you see success where others see failure - or vice-versa. Differing levels of emotional satisfaction gained from the same experience. Quoting: It's A Secret I would think it would also go back to what the expectation of the experience was and the emotional value attached to the expectation. The experience itself may hold more value to one party, while the outcome is of more importance to another. It would seem that if the value lies in the experience, it would be easier to be satisfied with the outcome because there is little emotional attachment to it. Whereas if the outcome holds the emotional value and is not emotionally satisfying, the entire experience could be felt as a failure - tainted emotionally by an unsatisfactory outcome. yes A few thoughts come to mind. One is that when using emotional values, measurement of success or failure will always be subjective. We use our own emotional value of a thing as a constant, but it is a variable from person to person. It also brought to mind the Four Noble Truths of Buddhism, as well as Shakespeare's "Expectation is the root of all heartache." |
aether (OP) User ID: 78205171 Spain 11/27/2019 02:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That makes it easier to see how there could be opposing views, going back to you saying you see success where others see failure - or vice-versa. Differing levels of emotional satisfaction gained from the same experience. Quoting: It's A Secret I would think it would also go back to what the expectation of the experience was and the emotional value attached to the expectation. The experience itself may hold more value to one party, while the outcome is of more importance to another. It would seem that if the value lies in the experience, it would be easier to be satisfied with the outcome because there is little emotional attachment to it. Whereas if the outcome holds the emotional value and is not emotionally satisfying, the entire experience could be felt as a failure - tainted emotionally by an unsatisfactory outcome. yes A few thoughts come to mind. One is that when using emotional values, measurement of success or failure will always be subjective. We use our own emotional value of a thing as a constant, but it is a variable from person to person. It also brought to mind the Four Noble Truths of Buddhism, as well as Shakespeare's "Expectation is the root of all heartache." yes it's new thought to me that has arisen about me said by me as it happened |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76972080 United States 11/27/2019 03:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do you think expectation and hope are the same thing? I was just thinking, if they are, living without expectation would be living without hope. Quoting: It's A Secret Hard pass. What happens when you have expectation without communication? Yes. I had some thoughts on this earlier, but it took me down a path that might not have been the best for this particular conversation, if you understand what I mean. |
aether (OP) User ID: 78205171 Spain 11/27/2019 03:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do you think expectation and hope are the same thing? I was just thinking, if they are, living without expectation would be living without hope. Quoting: It's A Secret Hard pass. It's a peculiar human quirk that we brand our more depressing perceptions as 'realistic', whilst any form of optimism is considered to be 'tempting fate' and raising our hopes in order to let us down. But hope isn't a dodgy salesman. It's a reputable force with genuine power. Quoting: today[link to www.cainer.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76972080 United States 11/27/2019 03:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do you think expectation and hope are the same thing? I was just thinking, if they are, living without expectation would be living without hope. Quoting: It's A Secret Hard pass. It's a peculiar human quirk that we brand our more depressing perceptions as 'realistic', whilst any form of optimism is considered to be 'tempting fate' and raising our hopes in order to let us down. But hope isn't a dodgy salesman. It's a reputable force with genuine power. Quoting: today[link to www.cainer.com (secure)] :) |
SyncAsFunk User ID: 78204479 United States 11/27/2019 03:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But hope isn't a dodgy salesman. It's a reputable force with genuine power. Quoting: today[link to www.cainer.com (secure)] Yes. But also a 'power' tool too often used with the end game of dominating and subjugating others. Granted - there will always be ready and willing kneelers strung out on the Hopium du jour™ by genetic default - but knowing why they are engineered to kneel takes all meaningful sport out of that game. :) Last Edited by SyncAsFunk on 11/27/2019 03:36 PM Some Will. Some won't. So....... |
aether (OP) User ID: 28780898 United Kingdom 11/27/2019 03:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But hope isn't a dodgy salesman. It's a reputable force with genuine power. Quoting: today[link to www.cainer.com (secure)] Yes. But also a 'power' tool too often used with the end game of dominating and subjugating others. Granted - there will always be ready and willing kneelers strung out on the Hopium du jour™ by genetic default - but knowing why they are engineered to kneel takes all meaningful sport out of that game. :) sounds like current nfl rebellion |
callit User ID: 74886727 United States 11/27/2019 03:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But hope isn't a dodgy salesman. It's a reputable force with genuine power. Quoting: today[link to www.cainer.com (secure)] Yes. But also a 'power' tool too often used with the end game of dominating and subjugating others. Granted - there will always be ready and willing kneelers strung out on the Hopium du jour™ by genetic default - but knowing why they are engineered to kneel takes all meaningful sport out of that game. :) |
aether (OP) User ID: 30658688 United Kingdom 11/27/2019 03:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But hope isn't a dodgy salesman. It's a reputable force with genuine power. Quoting: today[link to www.cainer.com (secure)] Yes. But also a 'power' tool too often used with the end game of dominating and subjugating others. Granted - there will always be ready and willing kneelers strung out on the Hopium du jour™ by genetic default - but knowing why they are engineered to kneel takes all meaningful sport out of that game. :) divine right of kings The divine right of kings, divine right, or God's mandate is a political and religious doctrine of royal and political legitimacy. The particular claim of "divine right" stems from a specific metaphysical framework in which the king is pre-selected prior to their birth (as in an heir); by pre-selecting the king's physical manifestation, the governed populace actively (rather than merely passively) hands the metaphysical selection of the king's soul - who will inhabit said body and thereby rule them - over to God. Quoting: today[link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)] |
aether (OP) User ID: 30658688 United Kingdom 11/27/2019 04:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | there is a method to our madness Quoting: aether One must begin with one, and that one has no particular qualities. Therefore, so long as you have an authority properly centralized it does not really matter what that authority is. In the Pope we have such an authority ready made, and it is the gravest tactical blunder to endeavour to set up an authority opposed to him. Success in doing so means war, and failure anarchy. Quoting: structureevery social structure within every culture is constructed the same way thus the visible alteration of the environment that the central unit of all structures function within is a pre requisite this has now occurred of |
callit User ID: 74886727 United States 11/27/2019 04:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | there is a method to our madness Quoting: aether One must begin with one, and that one has no particular qualities. Therefore, so long as you have an authority properly centralized it does not really matter what that authority is. In the Pope we have such an authority ready made, and it is the gravest tactical blunder to endeavour to set up an authority opposed to him. Success in doing so means war, and failure anarchy. Quoting: structureevery social structure within every culture is constructed the same way thus the visible alteration of the environment that the central unit of all structures function within is a pre requisite this has now occurred of So... In your view, it's war or anarchy? Or both? |
SyncAsFunk User ID: 78204479 United States 11/27/2019 05:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ah, the old reliable 'Chain of Being' construct. Or, in more recent parlance, 'The Carrot and the Stick'. Hope™ our way or else. Yeah that played great (for a 'select' few) over the last earth/sun age, but, alas, we're at a new event horizon. I highly doubt the current clapped out epochal grimoires will be nearly as effective this next go 'round, despite all efforts to wipe the memory banks clean once again to keep the loosh farm charging at peak efficiency. There seems to be a new energy in town - and PEOPLE are catching on :) Some Will. Some won't. So....... |
aether (OP) User ID: 30658688 United Kingdom 11/27/2019 08:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | there is a method to our madness Quoting: aether One must begin with one, and that one has no particular qualities. Therefore, so long as you have an authority properly centralized it does not really matter what that authority is. In the Pope we have such an authority ready made, and it is the gravest tactical blunder to endeavour to set up an authority opposed to him. Success in doing so means war, and failure anarchy. Quoting: structureevery social structure within every culture is constructed the same way thus the visible alteration of the environment that the central unit of all structures function within is a pre requisite this has now occurred of So... In your view, it's war or anarchy? Or both? in my view all social structure upon gaia is transient by the nature of its design within our time of environmental energy being measurable stronger than it was within previous aeons of our memory upon which all society is based upon There is no energy in matter other than that received from the environment. Quoting: tesla[link to www.institutotesla.org] our environment alters the shape of our thought visibly causing noticably different social structure globally within our near future |
aether (OP) User ID: 30658688 United Kingdom 11/27/2019 08:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ah, the old reliable 'Chain of Being' construct. Or, in more recent parlance, 'The Carrot and the Stick'. Hope™ our way or else. Yeah that played great (for a 'select' few) over the last earth/sun age, but, alas, we're at a new event horizon. I highly doubt the current clapped out epochal grimoires will be nearly as effective this next go 'round, despite all efforts to wipe the memory banks clean once again to keep the loosh farm charging at peak efficiency. There seems to be a new energy in town - and PEOPLE are catching on :) yes origin of kingship The great themes of world mythology are universal: the story of a former age of gods and wonders, whose first chapter was a “perfect” time of peace and plenty; the story of an exemplary "king of the world," the mythic first in the line of kings; descriptions of the gods as luminaries of immense size and power, wielding weapons of thunder and stone; the universal claim that the ancient world evolved by critical phases or cycles, punctuated by sweeping catastrophe; global traditions of gods and heroes ruling for a time, then departing amidst terrifying spectacles and upheavals. The transfiguration of the departed gods into "stars"; the identification of these ruling gods with planets in the first astronomies. Quoting: Where we must go to knowEven prior to the birth of the great civilizations, humans around the world drew remarkably similar pictures of things never seen in our sky. The “sun’ they carved on stone does not look the Sun in our sky. In the birthplace of astronomy we see a crescent placed on ancient images of the “sun,” and a radiant "star" placed squarely in its center. Neither our moon nor any star can be reconciled with such patterns, many of which are global. What was the cosmic mountain celebrated around the world, called a pillar of fire and light rising along the world axis? And what was the radiant city or temple of heaven, remembered as the prototype for sacred space on earth? To such collective memories must be added that of a star-goddess with long-flowing locks, a goddess revered as "the giver of life"; the transformation of this goddess into an ogress raging across the sky with wildly disheveled hair; a fiery serpent or dragon attacking the world; an ancestral warrior or hero, born from the womb of the star-goddess to free the world from chaos monsters. Now we have new (to us) knowledge we can ask questions of the Gods. This is the journey and the task, to request the Gods confirmation that our knowledge is sound/safe. |
aether (OP) User ID: 2327782 United Kingdom 11/28/2019 06:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | WOW Quoting: Resonance Rich [link to twitter.com (secure)] Also I seen something trending tonight on Twitter called BlackoutWednesday... apparently some kind of lowiq fad to go get drunk the night before Thankagiving and black out? emotional |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76972080 United States 11/28/2019 10:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do you think expectation and hope are the same thing? I was just thinking, if they are, living without expectation would be living without hope. Quoting: It's A Secret Hard pass. I think they are, in a sense, the same thing. "Hope for the best, but expect the worst." Looks to me like a sliding scale of a reaction to the same unknown - the future. |
callit User ID: 73628737 United States 11/28/2019 10:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do you think expectation and hope are the same thing? I was just thinking, if they are, living without expectation would be living without hope. Quoting: It's A Secret Hard pass. I think they are, in a sense, the same thing. "Hope for the best, but expect the worst." Looks to me like a sliding scale of a reaction to the same unknown - the future. Hope for the best and plan for the worst, but expect nothing. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76972080 United States 11/28/2019 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do you think expectation and hope are the same thing? I was just thinking, if they are, living without expectation would be living without hope. Quoting: It's A Secret Hard pass. I think they are, in a sense, the same thing. "Hope for the best, but expect the worst." Looks to me like a sliding scale of a reaction to the same unknown - the future. Hope for the best and plan for the worst, but expect nothing. I find expecting nothing impossible, because there is always something happening, so nothing can never happen. It's like 0 to me - nonexistent. Lol, reading that, that may be an aether thought. |
callit User ID: 73628737 United States 11/28/2019 10:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do you think expectation and hope are the same thing? I was just thinking, if they are, living without expectation would be living without hope. Quoting: It's A Secret Hard pass. I think they are, in a sense, the same thing. "Hope for the best, but expect the worst." Looks to me like a sliding scale of a reaction to the same unknown - the future. Hope for the best and plan for the worst, but expect nothing. I find expecting nothing impossible, because there is always something happening, so nothing can never happen. It's like 0 to me - nonexistent. Lol, reading that, that may be an aether thought. lol Whatever that means... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76972080 United States 11/28/2019 10:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: It's A Secret I think they are, in a sense, the same thing. "Hope for the best, but expect the worst." Looks to me like a sliding scale of a reaction to the same unknown - the future. Hope for the best and plan for the worst, but expect nothing. I find expecting nothing impossible, because there is always something happening, so nothing can never happen. It's like 0 to me - nonexistent. Lol, reading that, that may be an aether thought. lol Whatever that means... Something aether said that I agree with enough for it to be true to me. |
callit User ID: 73628737 United States 11/28/2019 11:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I find expecting nothing impossible, because there is always something happening, so nothing can never happen. It's like 0 to me - nonexistent. Lol, reading that, that may be an aether thought. lol Whatever that means... Something aether said that I agree with enough for it to be true to me. Good enough. It's a crazy world out there kid! Keep yer head up ;) |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77631946 United States 11/28/2019 08:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i noticed something today Quoting: aether my measurements of failure are mostly matching other peoples measurements of success In all things, or in terms of personal success? my memory causes me consciously experiencing myself successful experiencing reality meaning felt by me is as far as i have gotten with the thought aether's should your two of two be concerned? lol is your two of two of you, a satellite that circles around your center of reality? lol |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77631946 United States 11/28/2019 08:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i instantly noticed the emotional values of my matter shape that is the same shape as me before i was 3 prompting the dog god wepeawet to talk to me quickly Quoting: aether Today we look up at the stars and wonder if we’re alone in the universe. In fantasy and science fiction, we wonder what it might be like to meet other intelligent species, like us, but not us. It’s profoundly sad to think that we once did, and now, because of it, they’re gone. Quoting: today[link to theconversation.com] my attraction to being me being matter is and was caused by the visible impression upon matter that causes the shaping of gaias landscapes i like the experiences the shaping upon gaia causes the history of gaias architecture is not a history of modern man design or construction i just did its this /z\ causing my thought your's must be a very small universe. lol |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77631946 United States 11/28/2019 08:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: It's A Secret I think they are, in a sense, the same thing. "Hope for the best, but expect the worst." Looks to me like a sliding scale of a reaction to the same unknown - the future. Hope for the best and plan for the worst, but expect nothing. I find expecting nothing impossible, because there is always something happening, so nothing can never happen. It's like 0 to me - nonexistent. Lol, reading that, that may be an aether thought. lol Whatever that means... lol |