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Bush Moves Toward Martial Law

 
Redheaded Stepchild

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Yea i know. i just thought it was a bit relevent to the main topic here. 1dunno1
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No, it's a good point. What gets me is that Congress gave up! They just sat down and did nothing. Bush wanted a change in Posse Comitatus, and that didn't happen, but the new act pretty much supercedes the Posse Comitatus.

It's like we got faked out, ya know?
"Until you are willing to organize your friends and neighbors and literally shut down cities - drive at 5mph through the streets of major cities on the freeway and stop commerce, refuse to show up for work, refuse to borrow and spend more than you make, show up in Washington DC with a million of your neighbors and literally shut down The Capitol you WILL be bent over the table on a daily basis." Karl Denninger

Don't blame me; I voted for Ron Paul.


Silence is consent.
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book
"Until you are willing to organize your friends and neighbors and literally shut down cities - drive at 5mph through the streets of major cities on the freeway and stop commerce, refuse to show up for work, refuse to borrow and spend more than you make, show up in Washington DC with a million of your neighbors and literally shut down The Capitol you WILL be bent over the table on a daily basis." Karl Denninger

Don't blame me; I voted for Ron Paul.


Silence is consent.
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bump
Redheaded Stepchild nli
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Hullo!
This is a whole lot more serious than a lot of people are taking it.
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Hullo!
This is a whole lot more serious than a lot of people are taking it.
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Uh Yeah! So is HR6166 and everything else he puts his pen upon.
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They've could've easily declared martial law years ago with another faux terrorist attack, collapse of the economy, induce a natural disaster, whatever.

The time is not right.
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No, but the time will be right around the end of 2008
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Isn't it a law that our military can't police it's own people?


Yes, it is called the "Posse Comitatus Act"
and no executive order can overrule it.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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read the fine print -its going to be private contractors at first, then the Natl guard, but will our boys kill their own families?
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For those who follow covert government operations abroad and at home, the contract evoked ominous memories of Oliver North's controversial Rex-84 "readiness exercise" in 1984. This called for the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) to round up and detain 400,000 imaginary "refugees," in the context of "uncontrolled population movements" over the Mexican border into the United States. North's activities raised civil liberties concerns in both Congress and the Justice Department. The concerns persist.

"Almost certainly this is preparation for a roundup after the next 9/11 for Mid-Easterners, Muslims and possibly dissenters," says Daniel Ellsberg, a former military analyst who in 1971 released the Pentagon Papers, the U.S. military's account of its activities in Vietnam. "They've already done this on a smaller scale, with the 'special registration' detentions of immigrant men from Muslim countries, and with Guantanamo."

Plans for detention facilities or camps have a long history, going back to fears in the 1970s of a national uprising by black militants. As Alonzo Chardy reported in the Miami Herald on July 5, 1987, an executive order for continuity of government (COG) had been drafted in 1982 by FEMA head Louis Giuffrida. The order called for "suspension of the Constitution" and "declaration of martial law." The martial law portions of the plan were outlined in a memo by Giuffrida's deputy, John Brinkerhoff.

[link to towardfreedom.com]
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Oh, I see.

For the longest time I kept hearing that it was the Republicans who were instilling fear into the electorate to gain an advantage at the polls.

Turns out it's the 'rats.

Nothing new under the sun, is there? raspberry
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Are you looking for anyone in particular? It's quite obvious your intention is not to discuss and debate which is what a forum is used for...so who are you looking for? What is your true purpose?
Left wing, Right wing...We're both flying in the wrong direction.

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Fucking glad I don't live in Amerika
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yeah, but if this NWO shit is real, it'll be a matter of time before your nuked or have your nation invaded.
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Are ANY poster here at this thread able to provide proof of the OP's claims?

I've visited the three links he/she provided and found NOTHING to support the assertations made in the very first lines of this thread.

Understand: I'm a Democrat and fed up with the system of government to which we've been subjected the previous 6 years... HOWEVER: as I stated, the links provided support NOTHING of the OP's claims... indeed, the third link is not even available!

Before simple-minded [but well-intentioned] folk jump upon a haywagon they should check first to make sure there are a few bales to cushion their fall!
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go here:

prisonplanet.com
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I'm sure you are right, and thank you for your service.

Thing is,
I don't know about active military, but they sent the guard a questionnaire aking if they would fire on fellow citizens.

This was several years ago during daddy B's presidency.



What was the result of that questionnaire?
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Sorry DrP,
I lost the post

They didn't tell, but that might be why they want a.... adjustments to the Inserection Act and Posse Comitatus
Redheaded Stepchild

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Are ANY poster here at this thread able to provide proof of the OP's claims?

I've visited the three links he/she provided and found NOTHING to support the assertations made in the very first lines of this thread.

Understand: I'm a Democrat and fed up with the system of government to which we've been subjected the previous 6 years... HOWEVER: as I stated, the links provided support NOTHING of the OP's claims... indeed, the third link is not even available!

Before simple-minded [but well-intentioned] folk jump upon a haywagon they should check first to make sure there are a few bales to cushion their fall!
 Quoting: gsbltd 158851


Hi, gsbltd:
I located the article at the following website, and it includes citations (always helpful!)... [link to towardfreedom.com]

Here are the sources Morales lists--
Source:
(1) [link to leahy.senate.gov]
and
[link to leahy.senate.gov]
See also, Congressional Research Service Report for Congress, "The Use of Federal Troops for Disaster Assistance: Legal Issues," by Jennifer K. Elsea, Legislative Attorney, August 14, 2006

(2)
[link to www.govtrack.us]

(3) Journal of Counterterrorism & Homeland Security International, "Recent Contract Awards", Summer 2006, Vol.12, No.2, pg.8; See also, Peter Dale Scott, "Homeland Security Contracts for Vast New Detention Camps," New American Media, January 31, 2006.

(4) "Technology Transfer from defense: Concealed Weapons Detection", National Institute of Justice Journal, No 229, August, 1995, pp.42-43
"Until you are willing to organize your friends and neighbors and literally shut down cities - drive at 5mph through the streets of major cities on the freeway and stop commerce, refuse to show up for work, refuse to borrow and spend more than you make, show up in Washington DC with a million of your neighbors and literally shut down The Capitol you WILL be bent over the table on a daily basis." Karl Denninger

Don't blame me; I voted for Ron Paul.


Silence is consent.
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Back when Clinton was POTUS my right wing friends were absolutly sure Clinton would declare martial law, suspend the Constitution and cancel the elections to make sure he stayed in power.

Now my left wing friends are saying exactly the same thing about Bush.

Old news, been there, didn't do that, and laughed my ass off when it didn't come to pass, and I anticipate doing exactly the same thing when Bush leaves the stage.

Grow up people.
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That's because Clinton and Bush are on the same team. Clinton was the tester, Bush the builder, Hillary the despot.
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Chuck Baldwin <[email protected]> wrote:

GOP "Party Of Death," Too
By Chuck Baldwin
October 27, 2006


This column is archived at
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For the sake of those who are unfamiliar with my background: I was raised as
a Democrat. I remained a Democrat until 1980, when I registered as a
Republican. I observed a demonstrable difference in Ronald Reagan's
conservatism and felt proud to not only vote for him twice, but also, as the
Florida Moral Majority Executive Director, to actively help register tens of
thousands (not an exaggeration) of new voters throughout the state during
his 1984 reelection campaign.

I was also very involved in helping to elect Joe Scarborough to Congress
back in 1994, when he joined conservatives such as Helen Chenoweth, Bob
Barr, and Steve Largent in the House of Representatives. I remained a
Republican until 2004, when I became an Independent, choosing to affiliate
with the Constitution Party. By 2004, it had become obvious to me that the
Republican Party in Washington, D.C., had long abandoned the conservative
credentials of Ronald Reagan.

I am amazed at how many of my conservative brethren, especially my Christian
conservative brethren, continue to believe that the Republican Party is a
conservative party. It's not. Not even in the broadest definition of the
term is the GOP conservative.

I often hear Republican apologists referring to the GOP as the "family
values" party, or the "pro-life" party, or even "God's" party. I've heard
Christians say, "If you don't vote Republican, you are not saved and are
going to hell." Is it really possible for Christian people to be that
deceived? Apparently so.

Let me give readers an exercise in reality: the GOP (at the national level)
cares nothing for "family values" or even the pro-life cause. It has been
conning Christian and "family values" voters for decades. It's time
Christians awakened to this truth! Just because Ronald Reagan, Joe
Scarborough, and perhaps a few dozen other Republicans were (are)
conservative, does not mean that the GOP, as a national party, is
conservative, because it's not.

Christians will often accuse Democrats of belonging to the "party of death."
It is true that the national Democratic platform embraces a pro-choice
position. It is also true that there are numerous Democrats, especially at
the state and local levels, who are pro-life. We currently have an outspoken
pro-life Democrat running for Congress in my home district.

It is also true that the national party platform of the GOP embraces a
pro-life position, but it is also true that the Republican platform is just
so many words on paper. Can anyone remember when Republican presidential
candidate Bob Dole brazenly acknowledged that he had never read the
Republican platform and couldn't care less what it said? I do. The fact is,
the pro-life plank of the national Republican platform is wholly meaningless
and without substance! I'll prove it.

It was a Republican-dominated U.S. Supreme Court that legalized abortion on
demand in 1973 with two monumental decisions: Roe v. Wade and Doe v. Bolton.
Dear Christian friend, do you understand that? It was Republicans that
authorized the killing of over 40 million innocent, unborn babies.
Furthermore, since 1973, Republican-dominated Courts have repeatedly
reaffirmed abortion-on-demand, including the current Court.

Republicans have enjoyed a sizeable majority on the Supreme Court for more
than 30 years. The current makeup of the Court stands in favor of Republican
appointments by a margin of 7-2.

Dear Christian friend, it is the Republican Party, more than the Democrat
Party, that, by its action, legalized, augmented, and legitimized
abortion-on-demand. How can anyone say that the GOP is the "party of life"
with a straight face? It's laughable. Democrats may talk pro-abortion (and
do), but it is the Republican Party that actually gave America abortion.

In fact, that's the way it is with a lot of things: Democrats talk liberal,
but Republicans govern liberal. What's that old saying, "Your actions talk
so loud, I can't hear a word you say"? If anything describes the Republican
Party in Washington, D.C., that saying does.

Let me put it another way: there were 4,000 unborn babies aborted every day
when George W. Bush became president back in 2001. After nearly six years of
the Republican Party in complete control of the entire federal government,
including both houses of Congress, the White House, and the Supreme Court,
there are still 4,000 unborn babies being aborted every day! Between 2000
and 2006 all the GOP has given pro-lifers is rhetoric!

And please, don't bring up the partial-birth abortion ban. The only thing
that the bill does is further legitimize the remaining types of abortion
(which amount to about 99% of all abortions). It also prompts those mothers
who desire to abort their babies to do so earlier in their pregnancies. The
partial-birth abortion ban has not saved the life of one unborn child.

It's time Christian conservatives face the fact that the national Republican
Party is, along with the Democrat Party, a "party of death." Neither party
is a pro-life party.

That is not to say that there are not a few principled pro-life Republicans
in Washington, D.C. There are. However, they are a distinct minority. For
example, When Rep. Ron Paul proposed H.R. 776, The Sanctity of Life Act of
2005, a bill "to provide that human life shall be deemed to exist from
conception," there were only 5 cosponsors: Roscoe Bartlett, Ron Lewis,
Charlie Norwood, Scott Garrett, and Jeff Miller. What happened to the rest
of the so-called "pro-life" Republicans? What happened to our so-called
"pro-life" president, George W. Bush? Did we hear him say one word of
support for H.R. 776? No, we did not.

Furthermore, it is standard practice for GOP national party leaders to throw
their power and weight (not to mention money) to pro-choice Republicans
running against pro-life Republicans in primary races all over America. This
happens all the time.

Let's also not forget that it was our pseudo "pro-life" president, George W.
Bush who just recently gave his support to the abortifacient "Plan B" which
prodded the Food and Drug Administration to authorize its sale over the
counter without a prescription. Therefore, now that millions of people have
unrestricted access to "Plan B," the true number of abortions will multiply
exponentially. In other words, President George W. Bush has not only done
nothing to end abortion on demand, he has actually dramatically increased
the numbers of abortions taking place.

By the same token, if grassroots Republicans were themselves truly pro-life,
they had the opportunity to support a genuine pro-life candidate when Alan
Keyes was seeking the nomination for president. That they chose to elect the
phony conservative, George W. Bush, means that Republicans' commitment to
the life issue is shallow at best.

It is time for the American people (especially Christian conservatives) to
recognize that the two-party system in Washington, D.C., is beyond broke: it
is a joke! Pat Buchanan was absolutely right when he said that the two major
parties are "two wings of the same bird of prey." One party tends to support
Big Business; the other party tends to support Big Labor. However, both
parties support Big Government, and neither party supports the U.S.
Constitution or conservative principles.

At some point, our national Christian leaders must begin putting principle
before party politics and cry out in support of genuine conservative
constitutionalists, party label notwithstanding. There are hundreds and
thousands of principled conservatives running for elected offices throughout
the country. Some are members of my party, the Constitution Party. Some are
Libertarians. Some are Republicans. A few are Democrats. If our national
Christian leaders would stop playing politics and would begin championing
these principled independent candidates, many of them would win election. If
that happened, it would not take long for things to drastically change for
the better.

However, as long as Christian conservatives remain determined to support the
Republican Party under the pathetic "lesser of two evils" mantra, they will
continue to elect these neocons who will continue to betray our most basic
convictions.

Dear Christian friend, try something radical this November: vote for the
most principled constitutionalist you can find, no matter his or her party
affiliation, and trust God with the outcome of your vote. As far as the
abortion debate is concerned, the GOP has absolutely no right to call itself
the "party of life," because it is not.


(c) Chuck Baldwin

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It's my understanding we are already under martial law and have been for nearly a century. And what about all the executive orders. They can already do whatever they want will us.
Here is one link...there are many more.

[link to www.afrocentricnews.com]
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I'm off to bed, but I hope y'all keep the thread open.
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NEWSFLASH: America has been under martial law since 1964.
"Buy the ticket, take the ride."
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Ol Ronnie Reagan vetoed the transportation bill because it had 149 earmarks in it.
Dubya passed a transport bill that had ove 6,000 amounting to more than $50 billion dollars.
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I haven't read this thread, yet, just scanned the OP.

DEMOCRATS - LISTEN UP. Once again, I BEG YOU, PLEASE SEE HOW YOUR REPS VOTED. DON'T VOTE FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE PASSED THIS SHIT.

How they voted:

[link to www.govtrack.us]
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I haven't read this thread, yet, just scanned the OP.

DEMOCRATS - LISTEN UP. Once again, I BEG YOU, PLEASE SEE HOW YOUR REPS VOTED. DON'T VOTE FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE PASSED THIS SHIT.

How they voted:

[link to www.govtrack.us]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 147938



To add:

Jun 22, 2006: This bill passed in the Senate by Unanimous Consent. A record of each representative's position was not kept.
Sep 29, 2006: After passing both the Senate and House, a conference committee is created to work out differences between the Senate and House versions of the bill. A conference report resolving those differences passed in the House of Representatives, paving the way for enactment of the bill, by roll call vote. The totals were: 398 Ayes, 23 Nays, 12 Present/Not Voting.
View Members' Votes (roll no. 510)


THIS IS EXTREMELY DISTURBING. THE REPUBLICANS GO W/O SAYING (EXCEPT FOR RON PAUL), BUT LOOK AT ALL OF THE DEMOCRATS *AGAIN* GIVING BUSH HIS DICTATORSHIP. PLEASE DON'T VOTE FOR NAZIS, NO MATTER WHAT PARTY THEY'RE IN! IF YOU DO, THEY WILL SEE YOUR STAMP OF APPROVAL AS A MANDATE TO KEEP GOING DOWN THIS ROAD.
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omg THIS IS BAD........



REALLY BAD
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Every American adult who can legally do so, and who is willing to own, should have or get very soon(like NOW)-

1) an AR-15(civilian M-16), AK-47[these both can be bought for a few hundred bucks at any gun store, if you didnt know] or other hi-capacity rifle of your choice- .22's excluded. AK's and AR's are by far your best choices though. These arent the two top military rifles in the world for nothing.

2) a good combat-worthy handgun, like a Glock 19, 17, 22, 23, 21, 20, 21, 32; a Sig Sauer P226 or 229 in 9mm or .40; then there are HK's, XD's and several other good semi-autos also; or a 357 magnum if you want a revolver. Semi-autos are better though, as they have higher capacity and are generally lighter/slimmer. My personal #1 choice for most folks would be a Glock 19 mid-size 9mm. This is what the NYPD and many police departments use, and is also what the Iraqi police and military chose in the very dangerous country of Iraq. It is the best of all worlds and also holds the card for #1 in sales for civilian pistol sales in America today.

These are just suggestions. But every adult should own at the very least a good rifle and a good handgun, and plenty of ammo for each.

Tell your friends and family to do the same.

Teach your family how to shoot, including all children old enough to handle and fire the guns safely.
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There is obviously more here than meets the eye, i would not be surprised to find out that we are in big doo doo and the government knows about it.
How they could cover something up this big i dont know, unless there was a world wide consensus on the matter and agreed upon.
Some natural disaster or interstellar disaster about to transpire that we are unawaare of?
Makes you wonder...somethings up..
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There is obviously more here than meets the eye, i would not be surprised to find out that we are in big doo doo and the government knows about it.
How they could cover something up this big i dont know, unless there was a world wide consensus on the matter and agreed upon.
Some natural disaster or interstellar disaster about to transpire that we are unawaare of?
Makes you wonder...somethings up..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 149430


I agree the rest of the world is in on it. There is something coming and the responses and outcome have already been agreed to.

Remember a couple years ago when aussie bloke was posting about the three asteroids? During that whole debate it was discovered that the US had put to sea its entire fleet of deployable aircraft carrier groups. All of them except two that were in drydock being refueled. This level of deployment had never happened in America's history. They were stationed around Europe and Asia, with only one in the Southern Hemisphere. It was WWIII and that was when the world agreed to whatever is coming.

The firepower that was in the face of the entire world (except for Africa and South America) was so formidable, if there was any coercion or threat needed to get a deal signed or a contract understood, it was certainly available. I had the impression that the world was taken over by the Neocons and history from that point forward has been scripted and moving toward whatever will be the next big change in our world.

I believe the new borders are already drawn and the rulers are already assigned their roles. We have only to wait and see how it will be presented, what drama will be cooked up to secure our cooperation with their diabolical scheme to rule the planet with a single dictatorial regime.
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Subtitle E: Defense Against Terrorism and Related Security Matters - (Sec. 1041) Revises DOD authority to pay monetary rewards for assistance in combating terrorism to: (1) allow the subcommander of a combatant command to make such awards in certain circumstances; and (2) increase the maximum reward from $2,500 to $10,000.

(Sec. 1042) Revises federal provisions allowing the President to utilize the Armed Forces in connection with interference with federal and state law to allow the President to employ the Armed Forces and National Guard in federal service to restore public order in cases of natural disaster, epidemic or other public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or domestic violence. Requires the President to notify Congress within 14 days of the exercise of such authority. Authorizes the President, when exercising such authority, to direct the Secretary to provide supplies, services, and equipment to persons affected by the situation.

(Sec. 1043) States that confidential business information and other sensitive but unclassified homeland security information of DOD that is shared pursuant to the Homeland Security Act of 2006 with state and local personnel involved in the prevention, interdiction, or disruption of terrorist activity shall not be subject to public disclosure requirements of the Freedom of Information Act.
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Hmmm...
When he suddenly wins the election with those diebold hackmachines, and the people rise against the obvious lie, at least he will be able to keep things under his control.

Its gonna git ugly.
Wish i could get my inlaws outta there up to canada with us.





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