Breaking Burns Oregon: WAR HAS BEEN DECLARED! TWO CASULTIES - LaVoy Finicum KILLED - EIGHT ARRESTED - AMMON BUNDY/PETE SANTILLI IN CUSTODY! | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69657566 United States 01/27/2016 08:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Breaking Burns Oregon: WAR HAS BEEN DECLARED! TWO CASULTIES - LaVoy Finicum KILLED - EIGHT ARRESTED - AMMON BUNDY/PETE SANTILLI IN CUSTODY! Ammon Bundy's Last Talk with FBI (before Arrest) 1/26/16 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70435464 Recorded at the Refuge Center hours before the Road block/Arrest and the death of Lavoy Finicum. Double crossed. He actually acts as if he is taking Bundy's requests seriously and then hours later they ambush Bundy. This is so wrong!!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70857104 United States 01/27/2016 08:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Breaking Burns Oregon: WAR HAS BEEN DECLARED! TWO CASULTIES - LaVoy Finicum KILLED - EIGHT ARRESTED - AMMON BUNDY/PETE SANTILLI IN CUSTODY! [link to www.facebook.com (secure)] A couple of things bother me about his account. First is that he was by his own accounts the very first person arrested, when his jeep was surrounded by HRT (Hostage Release Teams or what we used to call "SWAT" trucks) vehicles. These days HRT Vehicles are off the shelf brand new MRV's (Mine resistant vehicles) in fact he mentions Lenco "Bearcats" in his videos. I, of course, had to google it to find out what he was talking about, that tells me two things. He is used to using cop speak to describe things and two he has intimate knowledge on the subject, or rather insider knowledge if you want. Now everyone else with him in his jeep is still arrested and hasn't been able to post a video telling us what really happened. Yeah right, tell me that doesn't cause you pause to question why he was released... Now picture this.... he is the first person arrested, pulled from his jeep, body slammed, disarmed, handcuffed, either put into a waiting HRT, or police car, or even put face down on the road.... And yet according to him, he sees LeVoy drives off in a different direction trying to escape and he is able to see everything as it happens, including how a struggle ensued and how Levoy was killed, up to and including a HEATED argument between Bundy and LeVoy inside the truck as it drove off. Time for critical analysis... There ain't no way he witnessed all the things he is saying. 1) he was in custody and unable to see what happened 2) Levoy's truck he described as a diesel, there is no way he heard any conversation over the sound of a diesel motor hauling ass out of there. 3) then there is question of his location, (according to him he was 200 yards away) are we to believe that handcuffed and secured he was allowed to watch the entire incident occur while shots were being fired? 4) his reasoning for his report? is he grandstanding, lying about what happened to make a name for himself? Is he a FBI informant or agent trying to cover up and defuse the situation by promoting a cover story to prevent other groups from joining, is he a con artist lying about the events to set himself up as the only source of info. To be sure we know that unless something happens to everyone involved, there is a very good possibility that his whole story could be blown away in hours... It is my best guess that he is a plant, trained by the FBI and that he is setting the story so that no matter what information gets released later HIS version will be the theme the media uses in all accounts of what happened. |
bluebonnet User ID: 5448856 United States 01/27/2016 08:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Breaking Burns Oregon: WAR HAS BEEN DECLARED! TWO CASULTIES - LaVoy Finicum KILLED - EIGHT ARRESTED - AMMON BUNDY/PETE SANTILLI IN CUSTODY! another one in jail (edit, reportedly surrendered himself) -- NOW: Jon Ritzheimer booked into the 4th Ave Jail late last night by the FBI via @DeputyEnriquez. More details soon. [link to twitter.com (secure)] livestream was down, now back up [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] sun s/b up in a little over an hour Last Edited by bluebonnet on 01/27/2016 08:46 AM bluebonnet |
Ozark Granny (OP) User ID: 65012393 United States 01/27/2016 08:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Breaking Burns Oregon: WAR HAS BEEN DECLARED! TWO CASULTIES - LaVoy Finicum KILLED - EIGHT ARRESTED - AMMON BUNDY/PETE SANTILLI IN CUSTODY! I am so broken hearted this morning Mountain Woman. Words cannot describe my pain. Last Edited by Ozark Granny on 01/27/2016 08:50 AM Thread: ARE THEY GOING TO CRASH THE INTERNET? Thread: They have taken over our Constitution via UCC and here is how they did it! "God sleeps in the rocks, stirs in the plants, dreams in the animals, and finally awakens in man." -Famous Vedic Quote- [link to youtu.be] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70857104 United States 01/27/2016 08:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Breaking Burns Oregon: WAR HAS BEEN DECLARED! TWO CASULTIES - LaVoy Finicum KILLED - EIGHT ARRESTED - AMMON BUNDY/PETE SANTILLI IN CUSTODY! another one in jail (edit, reportedly surrendered himself) -- Quoting: bluebonnet NOW: Jon Ritzheimer booked into the 4th Ave Jail late last night by the FBI via @DeputyEnriquez. More details soon. [link to twitter.com (secure)] livestream was down, now back up [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] sun s/b up in a little over an hour So much for Ritzheimer going out in a Blaze of Glory... If I sound Cynical, I am.... He was one of my sure bets as an FBI undercover agent. And what the Hell is up with him turning himself in in ARIZONA.... |
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The Old Timer User ID: 66661470 United States 01/27/2016 09:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Breaking Burns Oregon: WAR HAS BEEN DECLARED! TWO CASULTIES - LaVoy Finicum KILLED - EIGHT ARRESTED - AMMON BUNDY/PETE SANTILLI IN CUSTODY! Some people on this thread have no clue about the issues and/or the difference in property rights for ranchers. Quoting: Theobromine I want to say please study the subject before you comment Take note the BLM was INVENTED in the 60's to steal land Constitution says Feds can own FORTS PORTS and 5 miles around the Capitol. That's it. Please Please embed. A few details [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] It is called the United States of America for a reason. One state doesn't get to do whatever it wants alone. The Feds still have jurisdiction. posting is getting tricky....I have to type what I want to say...then copy....there isn't enough time form me to respond before I time out....any way....the 10th amendment put the states first....they give the fed any power not directly granted in the Constitution. Last Edited by The Old Timer on 01/27/2016 09:06 AM Lets go Brandon!! What doesn't kill us...makes us more interesting Either you live for something worth dying for....or you rot away and die on the installment plan quote: Mr Bill when I post something....I will remove any post I find disrespectful or offensive..... |
RedEye' User ID: 60934990 Canada 01/27/2016 09:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Breaking Burns Oregon: WAR HAS BEEN DECLARED! TWO CASULTIES - LaVoy Finicum KILLED - EIGHT ARRESTED - AMMON BUNDY/PETE SANTILLI IN CUSTODY! ... Quoting: Avatar76 Oh yea sure. You guys are never wrong. It's always that "Evil govt". How you know the militia members didn't shoot first? They probably DID shoot first! Idiots. Headline: Failed Ddos Attack Leads to Obvious, Massive Shillery I'm a citizen of Oregon, stupid. Surprise! Not everyone thinks like you militant morons who steal federal land and are trying really hard to get all our guns taken away! Fucking idiots go home! Blow another cocktail. You are no more a citizen of Oregon than I am American You are what a shill is. Not One Step Backwards |
Esoterica User ID: 55079802 United States 01/27/2016 09:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Breaking Burns Oregon: WAR HAS BEEN DECLARED! TWO CASULTIES - LaVoy Finicum KILLED - EIGHT ARRESTED - AMMON BUNDY/PETE SANTILLI IN CUSTODY! JJ MacNab ‏@jjmacnab 6m6 minutes ago Quoting: bluebonnet Militant says that the FBI has given them a final warning. [link to twitter.com (secure)] This is criminal. Anyone that can needs to go there now. If you can't, like me, let's FLOOD the gov, police and the county with phone calls and emails. HEY FEDS, WE ARE WATCHING YOU, AND WE KNOW WHAT YOU DID..... "The more you know, the crazier you look" |
Esoterica User ID: 55079802 United States 01/27/2016 09:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Breaking Burns Oregon: WAR HAS BEEN DECLARED! TWO CASULTIES - LaVoy Finicum KILLED - EIGHT ARRESTED - AMMON BUNDY/PETE SANTILLI IN CUSTODY! Go to this link for FB link to eyewitness video account: [link to twitter.com (secure)] Quoting: bluebonnet Deleted. Not surprised. The Feds are controlling this closely. "The more you know, the crazier you look" |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69778177 United States 01/27/2016 09:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Breaking Burns Oregon: WAR HAS BEEN DECLARED! TWO CASULTIES - LaVoy Finicum KILLED - EIGHT ARRESTED - AMMON BUNDY/PETE SANTILLI IN CUSTODY! They just took it in the ass and didn't fight back. They didn't know how to secure a compound. I bet the FBI walked in, said boo, and they all pissed their pants. This is over, everyone will forget about it, now move on. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69778177 United States 01/27/2016 09:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Breaking Burns Oregon: WAR HAS BEEN DECLARED! TWO CASULTIES - LaVoy Finicum KILLED - EIGHT ARRESTED - AMMON BUNDY/PETE SANTILLI IN CUSTODY! JJ MacNab ‏@jjmacnab 6m6 minutes ago Quoting: bluebonnet Militant says that the FBI has given them a final warning. [link to twitter.com (secure)] This is criminal. Anyone that can needs to go there now. If you can't, like me, let's FLOOD the gov, police and the county with phone calls and emails. HEY FEDS, WE ARE WATCHING YOU, AND WE KNOW WHAT YOU DID..... Nothing you can, or will, do about it. |
Esoterica User ID: 55079802 United States 01/27/2016 09:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Breaking Burns Oregon: WAR HAS BEEN DECLARED! TWO CASULTIES - LaVoy Finicum KILLED - EIGHT ARRESTED - AMMON BUNDY/PETE SANTILLI IN CUSTODY! Eye witness says nobody was on their knees. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71326992 [link to www.facebook.com (secure)] He was in the convoy and saw it. Another guy who was in the convoy. [link to www.facebook.com (secure)] Deleted. Guys, screenshot this stuff okay? "The more you know, the crazier you look" |
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Esoterica User ID: 55079802 United States 01/27/2016 09:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Breaking Burns Oregon: WAR HAS BEEN DECLARED! TWO CASULTIES - LaVoy Finicum KILLED - EIGHT ARRESTED - AMMON BUNDY/PETE SANTILLI IN CUSTODY! It is important for people to read this to know that the militia are not the bad guys here... Thread: IMPORTANT!!!!!!!!! 7 CRUCIAL ELEMENTS of the OREGON STANDOFF NARRATIVE THAT ARE OVERLOOKED Oh yea sure. You guys are never wrong. It's always that "Evil govt". How you know the militia members didn't shoot first? One very telling reason I believe the Feds shot first, is any eyewitness account is deleted immediately off the net. Why would that be? "The more you know, the crazier you look" |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69657566 United States 01/27/2016 09:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Breaking Burns Oregon: WAR HAS BEEN DECLARED! TWO CASULTIES - LaVoy Finicum KILLED - EIGHT ARRESTED - AMMON BUNDY/PETE SANTILLI IN CUSTODY! It is important for people to read this to know that the militia are not the bad guys here... Thread: IMPORTANT!!!!!!!!! 7 CRUCIAL ELEMENTS of the OREGON STANDOFF NARRATIVE THAT ARE OVERLOOKED Oh yea sure. You guys are never wrong. It's always that "Evil govt". How you know the militia members didn't shoot first? One very telling reason I believe the Feds shot first, is any eyewitness account is deleted immediately off the net. Why would that be? Exactly. Very telling. |
Esoterica User ID: 55079802 United States 01/27/2016 09:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Breaking Burns Oregon: WAR HAS BEEN DECLARED! TWO CASULTIES - LaVoy Finicum KILLED - EIGHT ARRESTED - AMMON BUNDY/PETE SANTILLI IN CUSTODY! Some people on this thread have no clue about the issues and/or the difference in property rights for ranchers. Quoting: Theobromine I want to say please study the subject before you comment Take note the BLM was INVENTED in the 60's to steal land Constitution says Feds can own FORTS PORTS and 5 miles around the Capitol. That's it. Please Please embed. A few details [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] It is called the United States of America for a reason. One state doesn't get to do whatever it wants alone. The Feds still have jurisdiction. With all due respect, this statement shows you have no idea what you are talking about. "The more you know, the crazier you look" |
BuTT MoNkEy User ID: 71329936 United States 01/27/2016 09:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Breaking Burns Oregon: WAR HAS BEEN DECLARED! TWO CASULTIES - LaVoy Finicum KILLED - EIGHT ARRESTED - AMMON BUNDY/PETE SANTILLI IN CUSTODY! JJ MacNab ‏@jjmacnab 6m6 minutes ago Quoting: bluebonnet Militant says that the FBI has given them a final warning. [link to twitter.com (secure)] This is criminal. Anyone that can needs to go there now. If you can't, like me, let's FLOOD the gov, police and the county with phone calls and emails. HEY FEDS, WE ARE WATCHING YOU, AND WE KNOW WHAT YOU DID..... I really think the so called oath keepers are nothing more then a aspiring political party and will do nothing. To me they seem like a union for constitutionalists, pay your dues and we will huff and puff and write strong worded statements but we will not be intervening in ongoing events. Sad times we live in. Last Edited by Offgridguy on 01/27/2016 09:30 AM I am not a real conspiracy theorist I just play one online. (and i ain't that good)(not Taylor swift bad more like Coldplay) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70857104 United States 01/27/2016 09:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Breaking Burns Oregon: WAR HAS BEEN DECLARED! TWO CASULTIES - LaVoy Finicum KILLED - EIGHT ARRESTED - AMMON BUNDY/PETE SANTILLI IN CUSTODY! [link to www.facebook.com (secure)] Quoting: Masiro A couple of things bother me about his account. First is that he was by his own accounts the very first person arrested, when his jeep was surrounded by HRT (Hostage Release Teams or what we used to call "SWAT" trucks) vehicles. These days HRT Vehicles are off the shelf brand new MRV's (Mine resistant vehicles) in fact he mentions Lenco "Bearcats" in his videos. I, of course, had to google it to find out what he was talking about, that tells me two things. He is used to using cop speak to describe things and two he has intimate knowledge on the subject, or rather insider knowledge if you want. Now everyone else with him in his jeep is still arrested and hasn't been able to post a video telling us what really happened. Yeah right, tell me that doesn't cause you pause to question why he was released... Now picture this.... he is the first person arrested, pulled from his jeep, body slammed, disarmed, handcuffed, either put into a waiting HRT, or police car, or even put face down on the road.... And yet according to him, he sees LeVoy drives off in a different direction trying to escape and he is able to see everything as it happens, including how a struggle ensued and how Levoy was killed, up to and including a HEATED argument between Bundy and LeVoy inside the truck as it drove off. Time for critical analysis... There ain't no way he witnessed all the things he is saying. 1) he was in custody and unable to see what happened 2) Levoy's truck he described as a diesel, there is no way he heard any conversation over the sound of a diesel motor hauling ass out of there. 3) then there is question of his location, (according to him he was 200 yards away) are we to believe that handcuffed and secured he was allowed to watch the entire incident occur while shots were being fired? 4) his reasoning for his report? is he grandstanding, lying about what happened to make a name for himself? Is he a FBI informant or agent trying to cover up and defuse the situation by promoting a cover story to prevent other groups from joining, is he a con artist lying about the events to set himself up as the only source of info. To be sure we know that unless something happens to everyone involved, there is a very good possibility that his whole story could be blown away in hours... It is my best guess that he is a plant, trained by the FBI and that he is setting the story so that no matter what information gets released later HIS version will be the theme the media uses in all accounts of what happened. One more thing... HE DIDN'T SEE THE SHOOTING.... EVERYTHING HE SAYS IS SECONDHAND.... AND HE JUST JOINED THE GROUP 3 WEEKS AGO... |
bluebonnet User ID: 5448856 United States 01/27/2016 09:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Breaking Burns Oregon: WAR HAS BEEN DECLARED! TWO CASULTIES - LaVoy Finicum KILLED - EIGHT ARRESTED - AMMON BUNDY/PETE SANTILLI IN CUSTODY! John Sepulvado ‏@JohnLGC 3m3 minutes ago FBI dressed like military. think Baghdad, not Burns [link to twitter.com (secure)] 3m3 minutes ago Oregon, USA John Sepulvado Retweeted Anne-Marie Dorning Fry has said a lot of things during this occupation that were rooted in the dramatic. John Sepulvado added, Anne-Marie Dorning @BostonAnnemarie You are right @JohnLGC , when the "rest of country" hears David Fry we def. hear lunatic with a gun not "damaged boy." [link to twitter.com (secure)] 5m5 minutes ago Oregon, USA John Sepulvado Retweeted Anne-Marie Dorning I said it best I could. I shoulda quoted my first editor, a Texan. "The boy ain't right." 1/2 OccupiedBurns ‏@occupied_burns 5m5 minutes ago Sun coming. Venus up. Horizon showing color. The chill before sunrise. [link to twitter.com (secure)] bluebonnet |
Ozark Granny (OP) User ID: 65012393 United States 01/27/2016 09:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Breaking Burns Oregon: WAR HAS BEEN DECLARED! TWO CASULTIES - LaVoy Finicum KILLED - EIGHT ARRESTED - AMMON BUNDY/PETE SANTILLI IN CUSTODY! I guess, thanks ... But I am really getting tired of battling government shills ... Thread: ARE THEY GOING TO CRASH THE INTERNET? Thread: They have taken over our Constitution via UCC and here is how they did it! "God sleeps in the rocks, stirs in the plants, dreams in the animals, and finally awakens in man." -Famous Vedic Quote- [link to youtu.be] |
Fry The Brain User ID: 71065108 United States 01/27/2016 09:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Breaking Burns Oregon: WAR HAS BEEN DECLARED! TWO CASULTIES - LaVoy Finicum KILLED - EIGHT ARRESTED - AMMON BUNDY/PETE SANTILLI IN CUSTODY! Seeing how the FEDS operate on their own civilian populace. Seeing the armed response of the ATF in Waco, seeing the jurastic armament of the local police in every city, state, county. Seeing the forfeit of this country to global rulers in the name of progress. . . I will not submit to tyrannical rule, I will not submit to the powers that be, I will not submit to any federal agent/agency. You want to class hard working Americans as Home Grown terrorists? Okay, fine, but you do so at your own risk. If I ever have an opportunity to lay down my life for my friends, I hope I can make that sacrifice, because Christ did it for me... Live & Learn, Crash & Burn |
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ReverendOD User ID: 11912752 United States 01/27/2016 09:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Breaking Burns Oregon: WAR HAS BEEN DECLARED! TWO CASULTIES - LaVoy Finicum KILLED - EIGHT ARRESTED - AMMON BUNDY/PETE SANTILLI IN CUSTODY! On the livestream now they are saying the convoy was told they could have free passage when they were stopped. They CLAIM LaVoy was unarmed and his weapons are at the reserve, shot 3 times int he chest. Sad part is we will never know the real truth but they did state that Fed fired the first shot and have sparked a war. Hes talking to some sort of media as i hear cameras firing off. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1484801 United States 01/27/2016 09:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Breaking Burns Oregon: WAR HAS BEEN DECLARED! TWO CASULTIES - LaVoy Finicum KILLED - EIGHT ARRESTED - AMMON BUNDY/PETE SANTILLI IN CUSTODY! Melvin Lee, who said he was traveling with the group headed north up U.S. 395, said the first vehicle — which contained militant leader Ammon Bundy and his bodyguards, Brian “Booda” Cavalier and Mark McConnell — was stopped by law enforcement offices serving an arrest warrant. A second vehicle — which contained Ryan Bundy, Ryan Payne, Shawna Cox, Finicum and an unidentified 18-year-old woman — went around their stopped comrades’ vehicle but ran into a blockade about a mile away. “There happened to be some arguments between the guys in the truck,” Lee said. “Somehow they got Ryan Payne pulled out of the truck, apparently. LaVoy had took off — he ended up hitting a snowbank, I guess, trying to get around the blockade. After he hit that snowbank, he came out of that truck and he charged at the law enforcement (officers). [link to www.rawstory.com] |
Final Dayz User ID: 71319675 Australia 01/27/2016 09:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Breaking Burns Oregon: WAR HAS BEEN DECLARED! TWO CASULTIES - LaVoy Finicum KILLED - EIGHT ARRESTED - AMMON BUNDY/PETE SANTILLI IN CUSTODY! Melvin Lee, who said he was traveling with the group headed north up U.S. 395, said the first vehicle — which contained militant leader Ammon Bundy and his bodyguards, Brian “Booda” Cavalier and Mark McConnell — was stopped by law enforcement offices serving an arrest warrant. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1484801 A second vehicle — which contained Ryan Bundy, Ryan Payne, Shawna Cox, Finicum and an unidentified 18-year-old woman — went around their stopped comrades’ vehicle but ran into a blockade about a mile away. “There happened to be some arguments between the guys in the truck,” Lee said. “Somehow they got Ryan Payne pulled out of the truck, apparently. LaVoy had took off — he ended up hitting a snowbank, I guess, trying to get around the blockade. After he hit that snowbank, he came out of that truck and he charged at the law enforcement (officers). [link to www.rawstory.com] Some real bullshit right there. |
Esoterica User ID: 55079802 United States 01/27/2016 09:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Breaking Burns Oregon: WAR HAS BEEN DECLARED! TWO CASULTIES - LaVoy Finicum KILLED - EIGHT ARRESTED - AMMON BUNDY/PETE SANTILLI IN CUSTODY! Some people on this thread have no clue about the issues and/or the difference in property rights for ranchers. Quoting: Theobromine I want to say please study the subject before you comment Take note the BLM was INVENTED in the 60's to steal land Constitution says Feds can own FORTS PORTS and 5 miles around the Capitol. That's it. Please Please embed. A few details [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] It is called the United States of America for a reason. One state doesn't get to do whatever it wants alone. The Feds still have jurisdiction. posting is getting tricky....I have to type what I want to say...then copy....there isn't enough time form me to respond before I time out....any way....the 10th amendment put the states first....they give the fed any power not directly granted in the Constitution. Me too OT, glp wouldn't load for like 15 mins for me. "The more you know, the crazier you look" |