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Pre-Trib Rapture is a Lie from the Pit of Hell !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
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Rapture is midtribulation.

Parable from bible hub.com Luke 13
The Parable of the Barren Fig Tree
6He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none. 7Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground? 8And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it: 9And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.

The tree of knowledge is cut down at 3.5 years before it could not bear fruit. It isn't suppose to for the chosen.

The tree of knowledge is the fig tree.

Judges 9:11But the fig tree said unto them, Should I forsake my sweetness, and my good fruit, and go to be promoted over the trees?

Christ in his triumphant entry into Jerusalem goes to the Temple where the most egregious offense of love of money occurs. "The love of money is the root of all evil." This would be attached to the tree of knowledge. To effectively kill a tree then kill the root first.

Then he finishes off the tree of knowledge the next day. The alpha and omega would go to the original sin and defeat it on the way to the cross.

The Barren Fig Tree
(Mark 11:12-14; Mark 11:20-26)
18Now in the morning as he returned into the city, he hungered. 19And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.
20And when the disciples saw it, they marvelled, saying, How soon is the fig tree withered away! 21Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done. 22And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.
Notice the power sentence is at the reflective verse of 21:21. It is not by accident that the darkside calls the game of chance "21".
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Great post OP.

I once was convinced in a Pre-Trib rapture. Over many years the Lord began to "unveil" Himself and therefore the Truth regarding this and many other doctrines.
So many of our brothers and sisters across the globe are experiencing untold tribulation for their stance on Jesus. Many have been (and will be) beheaded, imprisoned and tortured for their faith in Christ. Try telling them about the pre-trib rapture..they will laugh. Point is, through many tribulations we enter into the Kingdom of God. Persecution, tribulation and trials are for the perfecting of our faith and are allowed by Him. "A servant is not greater than his master".
 Quoting: Charis



Because of this "rapture cult" the Love of many will wax cold!

prophesy says two visitations clearly. One fulfilled on the Cross!

And then once more....on the last day!

Anything else is pure fantasy!
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Rapture is not fantasy. It is midtrib.
What has waxed cold is the spiritual interpretation of the bible and what Christ really fulfilled. Obviously you are one of those who has not a clue.

The beginning of the Jewish grain harvest season was one day before Passover. First fruits were then offered of barley. After Passover, there were 49 days of mourning called the counting of the Omer. At the end of this is Shavuot where Moses received the Law. The next day is the end of the grain season with the wheat harvest. BOTH TEMPLES had the rehearsal with the threshing floors (SEPARATION OF WEEDS FROM WHEAT)

Christ said, that no flesh would be saved unless the days were shortened and that they would be for the elect's sake. Key words are "FLESH SAVED".

We know from 1 Corinthians 15 that flesh and blood cannot enter the Kingdom of God. At the 7th trumpet the kingdoms of earth become the Kingdom of God. That creates a problem. Flesh is saved but it can't enter the Kingdom of God. Two separate events? YES!!!

Now read about the coming of the Son of Man in Matthew 24 with new meaning and see the fig tree is mentioned with true purpose along with saying his return is late Spring consistent with a alpha and omega theme of going back to the planting of 120 wheat seeds (must die read John) for the harvest. First fruit 120 x 1200 = 144,000 sealed by God then the multitude.

The above grain season encompassed 53 days. Christ died and was resurrected on the 3rd day. He spent 40 days on earth. He ascended into Heaven and 10 days later the Holy Spirit descended on 120 disciples in the Upper Room and the Church was started at the first Holy Pentecost. 53 DAYS again!!! Imagine that. And the Church stats on the same day as the end of the wheat harvest. The rapture will be a return to take the harvest, the Church, the bride in mid tribulation. Read 2Thessalonians2. The first part of the tribulation is against the saints and the last (the Great Tribulation) which Revelation 7 says the multitude is taken out of occurs. The reign of the antichrist is 1260 days or 42 months. At the end of the gates of hell prevailing is Armageddon and the 7th trumpet sounds. Paul says what is here alive and dead in Christ are called upon INTO THE CLOUDS with those already there which is the raptured church.


The last generation was ushered in on 14 May 1948 which on the 360 day year prophetic calendar is Holy Pentecost. The dark side (skull and bones) knows and walks against the Church. In reverse of 14 May 53 days is 22 March which is the dedication date of the Georgia guidestones 22 Mar 1980.

From the crucifixion date of Christ 03 Apr 33AD to the dedication date of the Georgia Guidestones 22 Mar 1980 is 711,117 days.
[link to www.timeanddate.com]
53 days ahead of 03 Apr is 26 May
GO from the first year of the gregorian calendar on 26 May 1 AD to the rebirth of Israel on 14 May 1948.
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AGAIN 711,117 DAYS!!! oh thank Heaven for 711 right?
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You people are EXACTLY like drug addicts.

You just can't handle real life by itself.

You have some sort of need to cling to this coping mechanism which is really just an ESCAPE. You BELIEVE out of FEAR.

Cowards, the lot of you, and anyone else who submits to this psychological tyranny.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70354471


You are right.

ALL Christ-tards are spiritually weak human beings with a low IQ.

MOST Christ-tards are pedophiles/child-abusers.

What sort of mentally-ill individual believes in magic sky-men?

PS: Op used to post under another name and was subsequently banned for abuse.


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Another ignorant Brit, lying through his tooth.

 Quoting: scottfree


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Oh you can bet I'll be using that around here.

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You are right.

ALL Christ-tards are spiritually weak human beings with a low IQ.

MOST Christ-tards are pedophiles/child-abusers.

What sort of mentally-ill individual believes in magic sky-men?

PS: Op used to post under another name and was subsequently banned for abuse.


hf
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Another ignorant Brit, lying through his tooth.
 Quoting: scottfree


Afraid you may be living a lie? That all the time and energy you've poured into this psychological construct was all for naught?

Is reality too much for you to bear?

I have just the thing for you! Just take 4 drops of my very special spirit saving snake oil 12 times a day, and when your body dies, I PROMISE you'll be rewarded with an eternal and blissful afterlife!
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ONLY 9 easy payments of $247 dollars!
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OK... thanks guys.

You've just proven my point about your ignorance.

Now go back and play some nice game in your mommas basement.
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You people are EXACTLY like drug addicts.

You just can't handle real life by itself.

You have some sort of need to cling to this coping mechanism which is really just an ESCAPE. You BELIEVE out of FEAR.

Cowards, the lot of you, and anyone else who submits to this psychological tyranny.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70354471

You are right.
ALL Christ-tards are spiritually weak human beings with a low IQ.
MOST Christ-tards are pedophiles/child-abusers.
What sort of mentally-ill individual believes in magic sky-men?
PS: Op used to post under another name and was subsequently banned for abuse.


hf
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Spoken by an obvious cretin.
 Quoting: Jeremiah 33:3


I don't believe in invisible cloud-man.

You do believe in invisible cloud-men.

Project much?

Maybe you should ask your magic sky-fairy to strike me down?

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two in a field one will be taken
Matthew 24:40
 Quoting: Phennommennonn




Try reading the corollary verse in Luke 17 Phenom.

Trust me....... you don't wanna be taken.
 Quoting: scottfree


Yep! The apostles asked where were those taken? And the Lord said where the birds of prey are gathered for the feast of the flesh of kings!!! The ones that are taken are no longer living!!!

God gathers all he loves...on the last day as He Himself Prophesied!!!?
 Quoting: saved




Morning brada!

You're exactly right. We are lead through the tribulation in the same manner the Hebrews were lead thru the Exodus. They were not removed, they were instead lead and protected by Almighty God, a column of smoke by day and a pillar of fire by night. This is why it is said that the Exodus is for an example to us in the latter days.

The rapture is a lie from the pit of hell.
 Quoting: scottfree



What you say is sound scripture. The Exodus, much like the "old testament" was a foreshadowing of a more perfect representation. After Christ death the veil was removed? We now have a more perfected relationship with Him Personally instead of the priestly representation?

There is only one way out of this fixed scenario? Those who will be delivered!

God has called all of His to be "Spiritual Preppers"?

Putting on the whole armor of God, and the Sword of His Word! And the "latter rain" a double out pouring of His Holy Spirit! To help us in the last days to withstand the wiles of the devil?

Why would he tell us to endure faithfully unto the end, if before then he would take us from the fire he wants to purify you with?

Your right Scottfree! Rapture on any other day except "The Last Day" is pure wishful thinking!!!
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Try reading the corollary verse in Luke 17 Phenom.

Trust me....... you don't wanna be taken.
 Quoting: scottfree


Yep! The apostles asked where were those taken? And the Lord said where the birds of prey are gathered for the feast of the flesh of kings!!! The ones that are taken are no longer living!!!

God gathers all he loves...on the last day as He Himself Prophesied!!!?
 Quoting: saved




Morning brada!

You're exactly right. We are lead through the tribulation in the same manner the Hebrews were lead thru the Exodus. They were not removed, they were instead lead and protected by Almighty God, a column of smoke by day and a pillar of fire by night. This is why it is said that the Exodus is for an example to us in the latter days.

The rapture is a lie from the pit of hell.
 Quoting: scottfree



What you say is sound scripture. The Exodus, much like the "old testament" was a foreshadowing of a more perfect representation. After Christ death the veil was removed? We now have a more perfected relationship with Him Personally instead of the priestly representation?

There is only one way out of this fixed scenario? Those who will be delivered!

God has called all of His to be "Spiritual Preppers"?

Putting on the whole armor of God, and the Sword of His Word! And the "latter rain" a double out pouring of His Holy Spirit! To help us in the last days to withstand the wiles of the devil?

Why would he tell us to endure faithfully unto the end, if before then he would take us from the fire he wants to purify you with?

Your right Scottfree! Rapture on any other day except "The Last Day" is pure wishful thinking!!!
 Quoting: saved


You are wrong. Of course then dressed as a military man maybe your lack of faith has called you to endure what lies ahead.

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You people are EXACTLY like drug addicts.

You just can't handle real life by itself.

You have some sort of need to cling to this coping mechanism which is really just an ESCAPE. You BELIEVE out of FEAR.

Cowards, the lot of you, and anyone else who submits to this psychological tyranny.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70354471


You are right.

ALL Christ-tards are spiritually weak human beings with a low IQ.

MOST Christ-tards are pedophiles/child-abusers.

What sort of mentally-ill individual believes in magic sky-men?

PS: Op used to post under another name and was subsequently banned for abuse.


hf
 Quoting: OP was banned 71351797



Another ignorant Brit, lying through his tooth.

 Quoting: scottfree


bigcruise

Oh you can bet I'll be using that around here.

lmao
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Hey im British! But not easily offended. But the tooth thing is poignant!!! Hilarious!!
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Sooo....Your saying the Bridegroom tells the Bride...You wait right here and get the hell beat out of you and then I'll come get ya...LOL!!!! Lord forgive their stupidity!!
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You people are EXACTLY like drug addicts.

You just can't handle real life by itself.

You have some sort of need to cling to this coping mechanism which is really just an ESCAPE. You BELIEVE out of FEAR.

Cowards, the lot of you, and anyone else who submits to this psychological tyranny.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70354471


You are right.

ALL Christ-tards are spiritually weak human beings with a low IQ.

MOST Christ-tards are pedophiles/child-abusers.

What sort of mentally-ill individual believes in magic sky-men?

PS: Op used to post under another name and was subsequently banned for abuse.


hf
 Quoting: OP was banned 71351797



Another ignorant Brit, lying through his tooth.

 Quoting: scottfree


bigcruise

Oh you can bet I'll be using that around here.

lmao
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You got it my friend.... all yours. 5a

Can't wait to see what you come up with!
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Ok ok, I'll come clean.

The truth is that I believe in and love Christ, in a sense. Deep down, I love you all, but I also think you're a bunch of morons.

The problem lies not with spiritual searching and the lessons that Jesus taught his fellow men. The problem is your total reliance and obedience to a BOOK written by MEN.

Whether by your own free will or via forced brainwashing and ubiquitous propaganda, you have LOST your critical thinking and reasoning abilities, and as a result, you no longer have free will. You have literally given it away.

Steiner was smart enough to figure it out, but not many have ears and eyes, anymore...

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Try reading the corollary verse in Luke 17 Phenom.

Trust me....... you don't wanna be taken.
 Quoting: scottfree


Yep! The apostles asked where were those taken? And the Lord said where the birds of prey are gathered for the feast of the flesh of kings!!! The ones that are taken are no longer living!!!

God gathers all he loves...on the last day as He Himself Prophesied!!!?
 Quoting: saved




Morning brada!

You're exactly right. We are lead through the tribulation in the same manner the Hebrews were lead thru the Exodus. They were not removed, they were instead lead and protected by Almighty God, a column of smoke by day and a pillar of fire by night. This is why it is said that the Exodus is for an example to us in the latter days.

The rapture is a lie from the pit of hell.
 Quoting: scottfree



What you say is sound scripture. The Exodus, much like the "old testament" was a foreshadowing of a more perfect representation. After Christ death the veil was removed? We now have a more perfected relationship with Him Personally instead of the priestly representation?

There is only one way out of this fixed scenario? Those who will be delivered!

God has called all of His to be "Spiritual Preppers"?

Putting on the whole armor of God, and the Sword of His Word! And the "latter rain" a double out pouring of His Holy Spirit! To help us in the last days to withstand the wiles of the devil?

Why would he tell us to endure faithfully unto the end, if before then he would take us from the fire he wants to purify you with?

Your right Scottfree! Rapture on any other day except "The Last Day" is pure wishful thinking!!!
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We will do all the things that HE has done..... and MORE!

WOW.... just WOW
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Yep! The apostles asked where were those taken? And the Lord said where the birds of prey are gathered for the feast of the flesh of kings!!! The ones that are taken are no longer living!!!

God gathers all he loves...on the last day as He Himself Prophesied!!!?
 Quoting: saved




Morning brada!

You're exactly right. We are lead through the tribulation in the same manner the Hebrews were lead thru the Exodus. They were not removed, they were instead lead and protected by Almighty God, a column of smoke by day and a pillar of fire by night. This is why it is said that the Exodus is for an example to us in the latter days.

The rapture is a lie from the pit of hell.
 Quoting: scottfree



What you say is sound scripture. The Exodus, much like the "old testament" was a foreshadowing of a more perfect representation. After Christ death the veil was removed? We now have a more perfected relationship with Him Personally instead of the priestly representation?

There is only one way out of this fixed scenario? Those who will be delivered!

God has called all of His to be "Spiritual Preppers"?

Putting on the whole armor of God, and the Sword of His Word! And the "latter rain" a double out pouring of His Holy Spirit! To help us in the last days to withstand the wiles of the devil?

Why would he tell us to endure faithfully unto the end, if before then he would take us from the fire he wants to purify you with?

Your right Scottfree! Rapture on any other day except "The Last Day" is pure wishful thinking!!!
 Quoting: saved


You are wrong. Of course then dressed as a military man maybe your lack of faith has called you to endure what lies ahead.
 Quoting: Jeremiah 33:3


Wrong? God is not impressed with anyone's attire, but obviously you grasp for weakness to offend instead of refuting me through His Scripture? Studying the word Daily to find yourself approved? Why does my photo trouble you? Maybe because your security is threatened and you know it?

None will be with excuse on that day!

God is crystal clear His Son comes to gather all of His unto Himself on the last day! Period! For all things must be fulfilled and then shall the end come.
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You guys are acting like a pack of wolves. Your witness is crap. Where is your verses to back up your claim? (Not talking to OP)

Step up or step off.

Is. 26

"Come, my people, enter your chambers, and shut your doors behind you; hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment, until the indignation is past. For behold, the LORD comes out of His place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity; the earth will also disclose her blood, and will no more cover her slain."

I notice OP didn't bother how the rapture is DIRECTLY RELATED to a Jewish wedding feast.

Does anyone here realize that the "Honeymoon" for a Jewish wedding last SEVEN DAYS? Followed by a wedding feast? (sound familiar?)

The whole "Darby invented the rapture" has been debunked so much, I honestly dunno why ppl still insist using it! And if the catholics INVENTED the rapture, how come THEY DON'T BELIEVE IT OR TEACH IT TODAY?

Rev. 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
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That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
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Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
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Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 2nd Thess 2:1-4

Paul says right here, that "that day" (the day of the Lord, aka the trib) would not happen until the falling away happened FIRST. I personally believe it isn't falling away though, but Departure, bc there is a definitive Greek article here "the" it means a specific event, not a general wasting away) and then the son of perdition (antichrist) would be revealed.

2nd Thess. 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

This can only be the Holy Ghost, and since He will never leave us nor forsake us, (we are deposited, sealed by the HG.) God can't deny us, bc He would be denying Himself.

Ppl think that this means the Holy Ghost will leave and ppl rightly so say "well then no one can come to Christ." The HG doesn't leave, His role merely changes. For 483 years, from King Artaxerzes, to the cutting off of Messiah, the HG could only dwell ON ppl, not inside. Once the rapture happens, the HG will resume His role, the way he did during this time, this is why the trib saints are not part of the Bride, bc the HG doesn't live within.

Those that believe Jesus would make His Bride go through the "testing of the world" after we have turned our back ON the world, have a very low opinion of Jesus as a groom. Its flippin' spousal abuse!

Lastly, the focus of the first 483 years was on ISRAEL! The last seven years will be focused on...ISRAEL! It isn't called the "time of Jacob's trouble" for nothing!
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You guys are acting like a pack of wolves. Your witness is crap. Where is your verses to back up your claim? (Not talking to OP)

Step up or step off.

Is. 26

"Come, my people, enter your chambers, and shut your doors behind you; hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment, until the indignation is past. For behold, the LORD comes out of His place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity; the earth will also disclose her blood, and will no more cover her slain."

I notice OP didn't bother how the rapture is DIRECTLY RELATED to a Jewish wedding feast.

Does anyone here realize that the "Honeymoon" for a Jewish wedding last SEVEN DAYS? Followed by a wedding feast? (sound familiar?)

The whole "Darby invented the rapture" has been debunked so much, I honestly dunno why ppl still insist using it! And if the catholics INVENTED the rapture, how come THEY DON'T BELIEVE IT OR TEACH IT TODAY?

Rev. 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
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That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
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Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
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Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 2nd Thess 2:1-4

Paul says right here, that "that day" (the day of the Lord, aka the trib) would not happen until the falling away happened FIRST. I personally believe it isn't falling away though, but Departure, bc there is a definitive Greek article here "the" it means a specific event, not a general wasting away) and then the son of perdition (antichrist) would be revealed.

2nd Thess. 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

This can only be the Holy Ghost, and since He will never leave us nor forsake us, (we are deposited, sealed by the HG.) God can't deny us, bc He would be denying Himself.

Ppl think that this means the Holy Ghost will leave and ppl rightly so say "well then no one can come to Christ." The HG doesn't leave, His role merely changes. For 483 years, from King Artaxerzes, to the cutting off of Messiah, the HG could only dwell ON ppl, not inside. Once the rapture happens, the HG will resume His role, the way he did during this time, this is why the trib saints are not part of the Bride, bc the HG doesn't live within.

Those that believe Jesus would make His Bride go through the "testing of the world" after we have turned our back ON the world, have a very low opinion of Jesus as a groom. Its flippin' spousal abuse!

Lastly, the focus of the first 483 years was on ISRAEL! The last seven years will be focused on...ISRAEL! It isn't called the "time of Jacob's trouble" for nothing!
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Ok ok, I'll come clean.

The truth is that I believe in and love Christ, in a sense. Deep down, I love you all, but I also think you're a bunch of morons.

The problem lies not with spiritual searching and the lessons that Jesus taught his fellow men. The problem is your total reliance and obedience to a BOOK written by MEN.

Whether by your own free will or via forced brainwashing and ubiquitous propaganda, you have LOST your critical thinking and reasoning abilities, and as a result, you no longer have free will. You have literally given it away.

Steiner was smart enough to figure it out, but not many have ears and eyes, anymore...

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You havent come clean at all! You believe in Christ, in a sense?

“Son of man, you dwell in the midst of a rebellious house, which has eyes to see but does not see, and ears to hear but does not hear; for they are a rebellious house.

You havent come clean it is why you stumble with Truth.
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You guys are acting like a pack of wolves. Your witness is crap. Where is your verses to back up your claim? (Not talking to OP)

Step up or step off.

Is. 26

"Come, my people, enter your chambers, and shut your doors behind you; hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment, until the indignation is past. For behold, the LORD comes out of His place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity; the earth will also disclose her blood, and will no more cover her slain."

I notice OP didn't bother how the rapture is DIRECTLY RELATED to a Jewish wedding feast.

Does anyone here realize that the "Honeymoon" for a Jewish wedding last SEVEN DAYS? Followed by a wedding feast? (sound familiar?)

The whole "Darby invented the rapture" has been debunked so much, I honestly dunno why ppl still insist using it! And if the catholics INVENTED the rapture, how come THEY DON'T BELIEVE IT OR TEACH IT TODAY?

Rev. 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
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Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 2nd Thess 2:1-4

Paul says right here, that "that day" (the day of the Lord, aka the trib) would not happen until the falling away happened FIRST. I personally believe it isn't falling away though, but Departure, bc there is a definitive Greek article here "the" it means a specific event, not a general wasting away) and then the son of perdition (antichrist) would be revealed.

2nd Thess. 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

This can only be the Holy Ghost, and since He will never leave us nor forsake us, (we are deposited, sealed by the HG.) God can't deny us, bc He would be denying Himself.

Ppl think that this means the Holy Ghost will leave and ppl rightly so say "well then no one can come to Christ." The HG doesn't leave, His role merely changes. For 483 years, from King Artaxerzes, to the cutting off of Messiah, the HG could only dwell ON ppl, not inside. Once the rapture happens, the HG will resume His role, the way he did during this time, this is why the trib saints are not part of the Bride, bc the HG doesn't live within.

Those that believe Jesus would make His Bride go through the "testing of the world" after we have turned our back ON the world, have a very low opinion of Jesus as a groom. Its flippin' spousal abuse!

Lastly, the focus of the first 483 years was on ISRAEL! The last seven years will be focused on...ISRAEL! It isn't called the "time of Jacob's trouble" for nothing!
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It's amazing how easily the diarrhea flows from the mouths of idiots...
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That's not a proper refutation.

Now whose spewing diarrhea?
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If the only book I'd ever read or cited was Harold and the Purple Crayon, I suppose I'd understand this mindset.

As it is, I can no longer un-open my eyes and bury my head in the sand, fingers in ears, screaming "lalalalalalalala i can't hear you lalalalalalala" (what every bibletard sounds like to me).
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Who populates the Millennial Kingdom when Jesus returns?

It is written, "For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words." 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18

Also, God reveals in Revelation chapter 20 that Tribulation martyrs - those who refuse the Mark of the Beast - will be resurrected and reign with Jesus 1000 years. Who will they reign over? If God takes all of the believers off the earth at the END of the Tribulation, who will He rule over? Not unbelievers. Logic and Scripture say you are wrong.

Jesus will rule over believers who survive the Tribulation and remain on earth. If they're "caught up" to meet the Lord, there would be nobody left to rule over.

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Ok ok, I'll come clean.

The truth is that I believe in and love Christ, in a sense. Deep down, I love you all, but I also think you're a bunch of morons.

The problem lies not with spiritual searching and the lessons that Jesus taught his fellow men. The problem is your total reliance and obedience to a BOOK written by MEN.

Whether by your own free will or via forced brainwashing and ubiquitous propaganda, you have LOST your critical thinking and reasoning abilities, and as a result, you no longer have free will. You have literally given it away.

Steiner was smart enough to figure it out, but not many have ears and eyes, anymore...

[link to wn.rsarchive.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70354471


You havent come clean at all! You believe in Christ, in a sense?

“Son of man, you dwell in the midst of a rebellious house, which has eyes to see but does not see, and ears to hear but does not hear; for they are a rebellious house.

You havent come clean it is why you stumble with Truth.
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Quoting the words of another man DOES NOT MAKE THEM TRUE.

The completely absent understanding of logic and reason is the reason we are where we are, and why I now take my leave.
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Sooo....Your saying the Bridegroom tells the Bride...You wait right here and get the hell beat out of you and then I'll come get ya...LOL!!!! Lord forgive their stupidity!!
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If the only book I'd ever read or cited was Harold and the Purple Crayon, I suppose I'd understand this mindset.

As it is, I can no longer un-open my eyes and bury my head in the sand, fingers in ears, screaming "lalalalalalalala i can't hear you lalalalalalala" (what every bibletard sounds like to me).
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......ever learning and never coming to the truth.

though I'm not sure someone like you is "ever learning"
J 17:15: "I pray not that Thou shouldst take them out of the world, but that Thou shouldst keep them from the evil.

Truth, beauty and virtue ... all the things that THEY hate. All the things God loves.
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1thess. 5:4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

Lot knew the day of his redemption. (Gen 19)
Noah knew the WEEK it would happen.
Elijah AND the 50 prophets of Bethel knew "the day".
1st Kings 20 I believe)

There is biblical precedent for knowing before redemption happens.
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Morning brada!

You're exactly right. We are lead through the tribulation in the same manner the Hebrews were lead thru the Exodus. They were not removed, they were instead lead and protected by Almighty God, a column of smoke by day and a pillar of fire by night. This is why it is said that the Exodus is for an example to us in the latter days.

The rapture is a lie from the pit of hell.
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What you say is sound scripture. The Exodus, much like the "old testament" was a foreshadowing of a more perfect representation. After Christ death the veil was removed? We now have a more perfected relationship with Him Personally instead of the priestly representation?

There is only one way out of this fixed scenario? Those who will be delivered!

God has called all of His to be "Spiritual Preppers"?

Putting on the whole armor of God, and the Sword of His Word! And the "latter rain" a double out pouring of His Holy Spirit! To help us in the last days to withstand the wiles of the devil?

Why would he tell us to endure faithfully unto the end, if before then he would take us from the fire he wants to purify you with?

Your right Scottfree! Rapture on any other day except "The Last Day" is pure wishful thinking!!!
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You are wrong. Of course then dressed as a military man maybe your lack of faith has called you to endure what lies ahead.
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Wrong? God is not impressed with anyone's attire, but obviously you grasp for weakness to offend instead of refuting me through His Scripture? Studying the word Daily to find yourself approved? Why does my photo trouble you? Maybe because your security is threatened and you know it?

None will be with excuse on that day!

God is crystal clear His Son comes to gather all of His unto Himself on the last day! Period! For all things must be fulfilled and then shall the end come.
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You are wrong. How can flesh be saved (for the elect's sake) but 1Corinthians 15 tell you that flesh and blood cannot enter the Kingdom of God? At the 7th trumpet the kingdoms of the earth become the Kingdom of God. If one is taken and another left what would be the purpose if the whole world is converted to the Kingdom of God? Time to divest of the camp and guns and embrace the spiritual.
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You got it backwards, its the pre-tribbers always hating on post-tribbers..... be honest stop lying to yourself.
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If the only book I'd ever read or cited was Harold and the Purple Crayon, I suppose I'd understand this mindset.

As it is, I can no longer un-open my eyes and bury my head in the sand, fingers in ears, screaming "lalalalalalalala i can't hear you lalalalalalala" (what every bibletard sounds like to me).
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......ever learning and never coming to the truth.

though I'm not sure someone like you is "ever learning"
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Right, except that what you so self-righteously claim as "the truth" is just, like, your opinion, man...
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OP says he believes the rapture will happen in Rev. 6.

Yet what about Rev. 13 which is where most pre-wrath mid-trib ppl say it will happen?

Rev. 13 & Matt 24 go hand in hand, so how do you make these viewpoints gel op?
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You guys are acting like a pack of wolves. Your witness is crap. Where is your verses to back up your claim? (Not talking to OP)

Step up or step off.

Is. 26

"Come, my people, enter your chambers, and shut your doors behind you; hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment, until the indignation is past. For behold, the LORD comes out of His place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity; the earth will also disclose her blood, and will no more cover her slain."

I notice OP didn't bother how the rapture is DIRECTLY RELATED to a Jewish wedding feast.

Does anyone here realize that the "Honeymoon" for a Jewish wedding last SEVEN DAYS? Followed by a wedding feast? (sound familiar?)

The whole "Darby invented the rapture" has been debunked so much, I honestly dunno why ppl still insist using it! And if the catholics INVENTED the rapture, how come THEY DON'T BELIEVE IT OR TEACH IT TODAY?

Rev. 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
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That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
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Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
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Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 2nd Thess 2:1-4

Paul says right here, that "that day" (the day of the Lord, aka the trib) would not happen until the falling away happened FIRST. I personally believe it isn't falling away though, but Departure, bc there is a definitive Greek article here "the" it means a specific event, not a general wasting away) and then the son of perdition (antichrist) would be revealed.

2nd Thess. 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

This can only be the Holy Ghost, and since He will never leave us nor forsake us, (we are deposited, sealed by the HG.) God can't deny us, bc He would be denying Himself.

Ppl think that this means the Holy Ghost will leave and ppl rightly so say "well then no one can come to Christ." The HG doesn't leave, His role merely changes. For 483 years, from King Artaxerzes, to the cutting off of Messiah, the HG could only dwell ON ppl, not inside. Once the rapture happens, the HG will resume His role, the way he did during this time, this is why the trib saints are not part of the Bride, bc the HG doesn't live within.

Those that believe Jesus would make His Bride go through the "testing of the world" after we have turned our back ON the world, have a very low opinion of Jesus as a groom. Its flippin' spousal abuse!

Lastly, the focus of the first 483 years was on ISRAEL! The last seven years will be focused on...ISRAEL! It isn't called the "time of Jacob's trouble" for nothing!
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Not many here realize much except that their minds are so polluted with doom thoughts that they can't grasp anything else.

Those here that think they know would be wise to study the traditions of the Jewish weddings. If they have open hearts the light should go on for them pretty quick!
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