If evolution is false, then God made us

God created everything needed for life to evolve.

It is more likely that god created evolution.

That's possible aswell , micro evolution Forsure

But We have never seen an animal change into another monkey man style so until proven .. I call BS

Seems odd that an enlightened being of pure consciousness could end up in such a sorry state as humanity finds itself in today. I don't get it.

I was raised attenting a Catholic church until my early teens - I am familiarized with the ideology for the most part...

From your Roman Catholic orientation - do you percive that 'God' is omnipresent? If Yes, this would mean that 'God' is found everywhere and in everything, yes? So there could be no where that you could point to and say that 'God' is not present... If No, then this suggests that 'God' has a finite presence, and end and a beginning, and is located in some 'places' and not others... Which would raise other questions..

The other question I would propose is what do you feel that you are made of? What is the substance of your existence? What gives rise to your consciousness/awareness/energy/soul? Can we concede that 'God' did not create you out of nothing (no substance)? So this begs the question - what are you made up of and what does your answer say about your relationship to your perceived origin?

fuck off you inbred bastard

No point arguing with a religatard they are blinded from facts.

Actually you might want to do more research. Scientists recently created something from nothing. Your understanding of biology s severely lacking as well. For example have you ever heard of what we call the lizard part of the human brain? Hard to explain on here without boring you, but just go and grab a few books and you'll soon realize how silly you sound.

That's evotardism for ya.

Based on a mechanism of 'randomness' + 'lots of time'.




Naturalistic materialism is a human concept, there's no such thing as evolution, science has proven this.

I'd rather have an evotard blaming nature for evolution, than saying, well god created evotardism.

That is not how it works.




See above.





Exactly.

Adaptation is nothing more than the usage of pre-existing information in the coded genes. Therefore, one could say, micro evolution is a fact. Although it would be more appropriate to simply calling it micro adaptation.
Since science has never shown any new information ever being added to any gene.







Which facts? Your belief in the mystical forces of nature?

Suck a dick.




Nice post.

So scientists created something and this creation by intelligent sentient beings proves what exactly?

You should go easy on the tea my friend, your lack of active braincells is showing.

OP didn't mention aliens (and where would the alien have come from).
He did mention goddidit, IOW magic.
If magic is possible almost anything is possible.

Anyhoo, the Holmes Maxim "If you eliminate all other possibilities than what remains, however improbable, must be true" has the problem that it assumes that it is possible to know what all possible explanations are.
This might not be true.
There might be possibilities we haven't imagined yet, because the fall far outside of our experience.



No, that would be a logical induction.

And fossils are hardly the only evidence for TOE.
Without fossils we'd still have figured it out eventually.

But you wouldn't know that.

Anyhoo, between goddidit and TOE TOE has the obvious advantage that it is evidence based and make the least assumptions.
Fossils and hereditary traits etc. actually exist, OP can not prove that magic exists.

Temptatively accepting the only reasonable proposition based on the available evidence until any to the contrary arises is only rational.

False. Scientists have never created life out of inanimate matter.

Lizard brains and human brains may have similarities. That does not prove that I am the millionth generation offspring of lizard.

Dude I mentioned aliens in my 4th paragraph. Learn to read.

So you accuse me of a "logical fallacy" of "ignoring possibilities" - but you can't name a single specific possibility I'm ignoring? LOL!

Available science suggests that option 1 ("TOE") is not a logical induction because it is contrary to our observations of how living organisms reproduce. Current science suggests that the odds of a living cell forming out of nothing are astronomically low - science has no explanation at all for how life came to be in the first place. So we are both resorting to "faith" - you have faith that science will one day (next decade? century? millenium?) show that inanimate matter can somehow rearrange itself into a living cell all on its own, and I have my faith (based on the science and common sense that inanimate matter turning into life all on its own is impossible) that some outside force caused it.

You can debate what that specific outside force might be, but current science suggests it isn't aliens, given the impossibility of travelling any meaningful distance through space in any reasonable amount of time.

So that does indeed leave us with the supernatural. You call it magic. I don't think magic explains anything. God explains everything. Literally. He even wrote it all down for us in the Bible.

That was seriously the worst logic I have ever seen in my life... that Therefore was like cutting a birds wings off mid flight..

Try again.

For your first question, the best answer I found is one of the comments here: [link to forums.catholic.com]

"It should also be noted that classically the creation-relation has not been understood as reflexive. Creatures bear relation to God (as created by him), but God does not bear a real relation to creatures. So God is present to creatures (ie. time, imperfection, space), but creatures are not therefore present to God. Creatures are everywhere in the presence of God, but God is not in the presence of time and imperfection himself."

This also looks like a good answer on the second:

[link to www.christendom-awake.org]

No evidence for evolution.

Your egoic state of consciousness is not qualified to discern what is fake or stupid.

If God is eternal then everything is eternal. That’s totally logical but difficult to get one’s mind around.

Intelligence is eternal however mankind has a point of being organised a beginning, and a soul can go through a process of being broken down and destroyed the intelligence however remains.

What is intelligent or has intelligence?

All things which live have intelligence, it varies in it decrees of capability, it is a type of energy in which is organised into spirit then a soul once that energy/spirit has incarnated into a physical body of matter.

There is a third option .

God came from nothing. He made man out of a clump of dirt and a woman out of a rib. Lol...how stupid must one be to believe this?

The earth is billions of years old yet you simpletons think earth is only about ten thousand years old. God made plants first, before he even created the sun the plants were growing...lol.. Give me a break.

God made all the stars, nebulas, planets....the entire universe in one day. Grow up....please. It took God one day to make man and then he had to rest. Is this honestly what you believe? Wow.

Before you crazies criticize evolution why don't you examine the ridiculous crap you believe. Evolution is a complicated college course...not that any of you simpletons could ever understand it.

And it takes millions of years, the exact correct environmental conditions and dozens of other environmental effects to cause one single evolutionary step, one change in the DNA sequence. That has been proven time and time again by science.

I may come across a tad simple with this statement but I always thought for any species to "EVOLVE" the said species evolving would need to evolve into another species. Any other changes to a species are classed as adaptation of that said species, not evolution.




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Well scientists did some selective breeding with fruit flies and plants and claim they made new species ... and that's the extent of their "proof" for evolution.

General names like dog cow sheep are just words humans created for simplicity. Easier to call sheep sheep than Ovis aries. There is only 1 species of sheep but lots of other general names contain more than 1 species. Also species is just a human made term, that does not always work so well. In nature there are just animals that can reproduce. This changes over time when populations become isolated, they can become unable to reproduce with other populations that they previously could reproduce with. That would be macroevolution, change of species. They can still look identical but their DNA has changed to be incompatible with the other populations. This happening over hundreds of millions of years = extreme diversity.

Ladies and gentlemen - the man who knows for sure what happened over hundreds of millions of years. Because science.

Why do you think species come and go in the fossil record? Instead of all species appearing in the entire fossil record? It is common sense.

[link to www.ucmp.berkeley.edu]


The Cambrian Period marks an important point in the history of life on Earth; it is the time when most of the major groups of animals first appear in the fossil record. This event is sometimes called the "Cambrian Explosion," because of the relatively short time over which this diversity of forms appears.


Nice try Nachos.

Try again, insert coin.