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Coverage of summit stuff.

Skip to end of pg1 if you don't want read through day 1.




Background:

V4 countries (Czech Rep., Poland, Slovakia, Hungary) + Macedonia and Bulgaria have met Monday to discuss sealing off Balkan route for migrants. They gave Greece and Turkey max. a month to lower influx of migrants. Austria is positive to sealing off route as Plan B for EU.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel has warned 14th February against plans for a “reserve border system” devised by the Visegrad Four. She trusts Turkey to help EU and want make a deal.

Turkey PM will not atttend this summit because yesterday's attack in Ankara. Austria has since cancelled the mini-summit (on the refugee situation in Europe & Turkey), which was due to be attended by European leaders from Belgium, France, Finland, Greece, Germany, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Slovenia and Sweden. According to EUobserver.

More and links to articles at Thread: Eastern Europe wants to seal off Balkan route | V4 group summit Monday, Merkel warns against Visegrad’s plans for a ‘reserve border system’

Netanyahu (!), Merkel in Berlin to discuss border closures and EU-Turkey pact: [link to www.jpost.com]


Big topic for this summit is Brexit.
Leaked file shows widening differences over bid to reform treaty as UK officials concede PM may fail in original demand to underpin reforms: [link to www.theguardian.com]


Who will have influence at the summit table — and who won’t
Nice and simple picture: [link to g8fip1kplyr33r3krz5b97d1.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com]
Whole article: [link to www.politico.eu]


Leaders arrivals expected late afternoon CET, followed by first session on a new settlement for the UK, working dinner scheduled at 20:00 followed by press conference. Main discussion is expected tomorrow.

At official Indicative programme there is no mention about working session on migration issue yet.


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There's just no doubt in my mind, the EU is finished, and Eastern Europe will split with the west and ally with Russia. Western Europe will erupt in chaos, civil wars and terror attacks from within by the hordes of refujihadis.
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There's just no doubt in my mind, the EU is finished, and Eastern Europe will split with the west and ally with Russia. Western Europe will erupt in chaos, civil wars and terror attacks from within by the hordes of refujihadis.
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If this will happen, then I'm quite afraid of attacks in Eastern countries too. Maybe not from refujihadists, but West never let Eastern Europe to ally with Russia. Poland [government] will never do this and they're biggest player here.

Years there are rumours about two Unions. Stronger west lead by Germany and then second one on east. Then Western Europe will have refujihadists and Eastern Europe will have big economic/politics problems and it will lead to raise "extremists" parties.

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Press conference before summit:

On UK EU reform Junker says "I’m quite confident that we will have a deal during this European Council"
[link to twitter.com (secure)]


Juncker says doesn't like trend of increased border controls or Austrian quota move; to have "frank" talks with Faymann
[link to twitter.com (secure)]

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Press conference before summit:

On UK EU reform Junker says "I’m quite confident that we will have a deal during this European Council"
[link to twitter.com (secure)]


Juncker says doesn't like trend of increased border controls or Austrian quota move; to have "frank" talks with Faymann
[link to twitter.com (secure)]
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That's all total bullshit! There is no deal without Treaty change - all the EU have to do is amend any 'deal' later. Cameron's fooling no-one and all of Britain knows it.
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Press conference before summit:

On UK EU reform Junker says "I’m quite confident that we will have a deal during this European Council"
[link to twitter.com (secure)]


Juncker says doesn't like trend of increased border controls or Austrian quota move; to have "frank" talks with Faymann
[link to twitter.com (secure)]
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That's all total bullshit! There is no deal without Treaty change - all the EU have to do is amend any 'deal' later. Cameron's fooling no-one and all of Britain knows it.
 Quoting: Tess.


What else can you expect from Junker? Only BS. I really don't like him, with all of his hugs, kisses, touchings he giving to other leaders. Just like they're his pets or something.

I can tell what he give us:

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Sorry for G00gle translate:

The European Union will close the borders for refugees from the war zones of the countries of the Middle East on March 1, we learned today from a source in Brussels close to the European Commission. As we were told, closing borders to refugees will be gradually implemented, mainly for refugees from Iraq, Afghanistan and then at the end of the process from within Syria.

"Demonstrative exercises complete the process of closing the borders is already taking place between Slovenian and Croatian, as well as between Serbia and Macedonia," the interlocutors today.


WFT??

I started separate thread on this: Thread: Belgrade newspaper: EU closes borders to refugees on March 1 entirely
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Who will have influence at the summit table — and who won’t

Nice and simple picture: [link to g8fip1kplyr33r3krz5b97d1.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com]
Whole article: [link to www.politico.eu]
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Arrivals, if someone interested:


[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]


Pres. Tusk: "This is a make or break summit, I have no doubt."
[link to twitter.com (secure)]

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Biggest enemies of Europenans?

[link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)]

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Schultz at press conference few minutes back:

- Many in the EP think 'ever closer union' is a good formulation for the future too - not just the past.

- We are not a multi-currency union.

- If other EU MS require similar changes then we would be in "treaty change mode" - and the EP would convene a convention.

- If all countries shared the refugee burden, there would be no crisis.

From [link to twitter.com (secure)]

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hey EU!

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was nice knowing ya! (not!)
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Schultz at press conference few minutes back:

- Many in the EP think 'ever closer union' is a good formulation for the future too - not just the past.

- We are not a multi-currency union.

- If other EU MS require similar changes then we would be in "treaty change mode" - and the EP would convene a convention.

- If all countries shared the refugee burden, there would be no crisis.

From [link to twitter.com (secure)]

whatever
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- If all countries shared the refugee burden, there would be no crisis.

fallacious argument
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The drama started. Hopefully the results will be good for Europe as a whole. #UKinEU #EUCO [link to pic.twitter.com]
— Dalia Grybauskaitė (@Grybauskaite_LT) February 18, 2016

European Parliament Pres Schulz tells me #EU #UK negotiations may roll into weekend before being resolved
— katya adler (@BBCkatyaadler) February 18, 2016
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The British delegation will meet the Visegrad group – Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, and Czech Republic – after tonight’s dinner, media say.
Yesterday, those four countries rejected the U.K. proposal to curtail benefits for EU migrant workers.
More on this issue: [link to www.politico.eu]

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Friday's Guardian front page: Cameron has ‘one chance to strike EU deal’ [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)]
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Friday's Telegraph front page: FTSE Chiefs' Yes to Europe [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)]
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Friday's Daily Mail: Face that says it all [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)]
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Friday's Daily Express: You can't win Prime Minister [link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)]
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No surprise on migration on summit. Nothing done, next summit will be with Turkey in few weeks. So cheap!

#Faymann: Next #EUCO will be earlier, 7.,8. or 9. of March, including Minisummit with Turkey @POLITICOEurope pic.twitter.com/V1eJcTjvSK
— vonderburchard (@vonderburchard) February 19, 2016



Last night ended with conclusions on migration but only “some progress” on the issue of U.K.-EU relations. Today, it’s all Brexit.

Leaders are headed for what was initially called an English breakfast but — as a reminder of the lack of progress — has been renamed “English lunch.”
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Reporters have quoted Greek sources saying Prime Minister Tsipras is threatening to veto the agreement on Brexit.

Tsipras wants an EU open-border policy up until March in exchange for his vote.



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“We are asking for a unanimous decision that until (an EU-Turkey summit planned for) March 6, no state will unilaterally close its borders… if not, the Greek government will not approve the conclusion text,” the source told AFP.

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Just start sending the so-called refugees back to Turkey as a measure. EU is not taken serious by radical Muslim countries and trying to bribe them with 3 billion euro taxpayer money is only enforcing the weak picture they have painted of us. Merkel talks of letting Turkey into the EU should be viewed as a big threat to every European citizen.
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Just start sending the so-called refugees back to Turkey as a measure. EU is not taken serious by radical Muslim countries and trying to bribe them with 3 billion euro taxpayer money is only enforcing the weak picture they have painted of us. Merkel talks of letting Turkey into the EU should be viewed as a big threat to every European citizen.
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I agree with that weak picture. Just wait for next summit with Turkey. Merkel will beg Turkish PM...

Then we will get even weaker picture. And Turkey, with their mad dictator Erdogan, will celebrate this.
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David Cameron has been praised by fellow Conservatives for securing a “unique” deal for Britain — before a deal has been struck.

A group of 60 Tory party members signed a letter saying that “for the first time since 1975 a British Prime Minister has returned from a summit with more powers than when they arrived”.

[link to www.politico.eu]

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A spokesperson for the European Commission told journalists that a ‘conclusion” might be reached this evening at a working dinner – which is scheduled for 8 pm Brussels time.

Meanwhile, EU leaders are leaving the Council building.
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After a marathon two-day negotiating session in Brussels, European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker and European Council chief Donald Tusk put a final text before leaders that they believe “is a very fair and balanced proposal, which should have a good chance to gain the agreement of all 28 leaders,” said the official, speaking on condition of anonymity.



#brexit deal done. simple 7yr duration for in-work, child benefit indexation from 2020, ever closer union sorted, treaty change guarantees
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The European diplomatic editor for the Financial Times, Alex Barker, has tweeted a leaked copy of the Brexit draft agreement.

Draft Brexit deal — The ever closer union carve out for Britain, added to future treaties #brexit pic.twitter.com/wJAZSdhNsM

— Alex Barker (@alexebarker) February 19, 2016

Leaked draft: child benefit curbs only apply to current claimant after 2020 pic.twitter.com/vw6T4t0LX2

— Alex Barker (@alexebarker) February 19, 2016

Leaked Brexit draft: benefits emergency brake can apply for seven years, not renewable pic.twitter.com/AperPCWHFp

— Alex Barker (@alexebarker) February 19, 2016

Leaked Brexit draft: non-euro emergency brake can be pulled by one country. Win for Cameron pic.twitter.com/P7Twyma0nx

— Alex Barker (@alexebarker) February 19, 2016

Leaked Brexit draft: The self destruct clause in summit conclusions. Doesn't kill off second referendum idea pic.twitter.com/3nFmOEZe2N

— Alex Barker (@alexebarker) February 19, 2016





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So UK fucked EU? Good for them
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So far EVERYONE say they're happy, blah blah... Theather for public of course.

Looking forward to referendum!


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Tusk: We didn't walk away from the negotiating table. We were willing to sacrifice part of our interests for the common good, to show our unity.
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What was Netanyahoo doing in Berlin discussing immigration issues with Merkel? As if I dont know. But seriously, what's the official story here?
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What was Netanyahoo doing in Berlin discussing immigration issues with Merkel? As if I dont know. But seriously, what's the official story here?
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Haaretz: Speaking in Berlin, Netanyahu says French threat to recognize Palestinian state 'ensures failure'; Merkel voices support for two-state solution.


Just one headline I found. Official story probably not interesting. Nothing about UK, migration etc.

But I'm quite sure there is no coincidence with timing of Netanyahu's visit.


/Edit: [link to www.welt.de]

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Thank god the UK will not be part of the eu superfail state.
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Tusk @eucopresident: "I love Britain and I love Brussels" @JunckerEU "i love Brussels more"
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