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Saddletramp (OP) User ID: 68373023 United States 03/10/2016 08:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You way overestimate the power of one man. Because in the end that is all you are sending to defeat them. One man alone against millions that are fighting to save the system that feeds them. It's never worked before in the modern era, why would it work now? Quoting: Saddletramp You're still replacing a Revolution with a Ballot Box, and the outcome is predictable as always... Alexander the Great was one man, and he conquered the entire known world. History is full of "just one man" who changed humanity forever. Your preemptive surrender is premature and unsupported by history. And the Joker didn't "lose". He was a nihilist. He ended as he started, into the nothing. But his unintended consequence was to strengthen the image of Batman, the hero, the single individual who would save Gotham. So there. #neenerneener Alexander the Great was not one man, his ARMY conquered the known world, and numerous kings and chiefs bought him off to prevent being conquered. Alexander the Great is not a great example of a man that put principals before money. Do you think any of these Candidates will put principals before money, because they will be offered money, a lot of fucking money, and we already know how much some Candidates love money... This is not ancient Greece, and I said modern times... For the analogy of Alexander the Great to hold true a candidate would have to lead an army against the Oligarchy, and in that case what did we need the ballot box for in the first place... Last Edited by Saddletramp on 03/10/2016 08:41 PM "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
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Truthserum User ID: 69911686 United States 03/10/2016 08:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Protest votes! Gotta love them. But are ballot boxes really the place to protest, or are they the place to try and forward your ideology? Quoting: Saddletramp I ask this genuinely, because Protest votes have historically elected the worst Leaders and Tyrants possible. And every time the USA has one of these "Protest" votes we seem to get dragged deeper into the hole. You see the problem is you go to the ballot box to use the system, to protest against the system, by making an outsider, an insider... Let me explain. Some of us probably remember 1994, huge influx of new Freshmen Congressmen all elected by Republicans to institute "Term Limits". 22 Years later we don't have Term Limits, but we still have some of those Congressmen who were elected to institute those Term Limits. You see there's a reason those Term Limits never quite got done; because those "Outsiders", are now the "Insiders" we're bitching about. Now we want to protest that exact sort of thing by doing the exact same thing we did in 1994. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. You cannot vote in a Rebellion! Because you cannot use the system to destroy the system. And an outsider is only an outsider until he's sworn in... The Ballot Box is no place to protest the system, hell it's practically a shrine to the System! The Ballot Box is where we compare our ideologies, then the people choose which Ideology is the best to take this country forward. That's why issues matter. Nobody is going to tear down a building while they're standing inside it... And don't tell me about Sampson, because he died in the end, and I haven't seen a Candidate out there yet that I think is willing to die for us, and history has shown that's the level of commitment it takes to try and take on this system from the inside. So here's to November 8, 2016. That day we will all flock to that ultimate shrine of our democratic republic, The Ballot Box, and use democracy to protest democracy... Ah yes, the one vote that would actually mean something: NONE OF THE ABOVE FACTS Don't Give a DAMN about your FEELINGS! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70392518 United States 03/10/2016 08:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If anyone watched the 2012 RNC you would have saw firsthand that they TPTB whomever they control will not allow outsiders who are true to their word from ever gaining control... They blatantly disobeyed the public interest when they changed the rules during the convention to eliminate Ron Paul from challenging Romney. There that was enough for me to conclude that there will be no change as much as people want Trump to be the benevolent leader they think he will be, The reality is if he is true to his word the RNC will force him from being the nominee but note if they allow Trump to take the nomination then he has never been on our side.. Basically TR;DR Nothing changes. |
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Saddletramp (OP) User ID: 68373023 United States 03/10/2016 08:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i'm voting for me again. Quoting: Grove Street so far since ive been 18, i've won every election i've ran in. it's good to be sovereign. You tyrant!!! "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
Term Limits User ID: 51319803 United States 03/10/2016 08:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have never voted for a Dem or a Repub. I always vote for the next choice, even if it's a Commie. At least the Commie is honest about who he/she is, right? Quoting: John Donson 70966696 By not voting for the Dem/Repub paradigm, I'm sending both parties a big Same. Although I supported Ron Paul in 2012 and got audited for it. Had a business meeting with someone who had the exact same thing happen to him. If I recall correctly, saddletramp ran into the same thing. Establishment doesn't like you coloring outside the lines and apparently they will try to ruin you for doing so. We desperately need term limits as a way to try and reel in the out of control corrupt system we have. Unfortunately it won't happen, nor will any sort of revolution because people are infinitely more distracted than the last time. We have the numbers, each year the population grows by a couple million, yet less than 1,000 people control us and set our agenda. Unfortunately there just aren't enough people who really give a shit and are willing to change the system. Organizing dissent is near impossible because the vast majority will turn on you out of fear that it might interrupt their regularly scheduled programming. Term Limits for EVERY elected and appointed office. An end to career politicians for real change. |
Saddletramp (OP) User ID: 68373023 United States 03/10/2016 08:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If anyone watched the 2012 RNC you would have saw firsthand that they TPTB whomever they control will not allow outsiders who are true to their word from ever gaining control... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70392518 They blatantly disobeyed the public interest when they changed the rules during the convention to eliminate Ron Paul from challenging Romney. There that was enough for me to conclude that there will be no change as much as people want Trump to be the benevolent leader they think he will be, The reality is if he is true to his word the RNC will force him from being the nominee but note if they allow Trump to take the nomination then he has never been on our side.. Basically TR;DR Nothing changes. On the flip side of the coin, the democrats changed theirs after 1968, then they intuited Super Delegates, that could basically win the nomination for someone who hadn't won, or even run in, a single primary. "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
Saddletramp (OP) User ID: 68373023 United States 03/10/2016 08:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have never voted for a Dem or a Repub. I always vote for the next choice, even if it's a Commie. At least the Commie is honest about who he/she is, right? Quoting: John Donson 70966696 By not voting for the Dem/Repub paradigm, I'm sending both parties a big Same. Although I supported Ron Paul in 2012 and got audited for it. Had a business meeting with someone who had the exact same thing happen to him. If I recall correctly, saddletramp ran into the same thing. Establishment doesn't like you coloring outside the lines and apparently they will try to ruin you for doing so. We desperately need term limits as a way to try and reel in the out of control corrupt system we have. Unfortunately it won't happen, nor will any sort of revolution because people are infinitely more distracted than the last time. We have the numbers, each year the population grows by a couple million, yet less than 1,000 people control us and set our agenda. Unfortunately there just aren't enough people who really give a shit and are willing to change the system. Organizing dissent is near impossible because the vast majority will turn on you out of fear that it might interrupt their regularly scheduled programming. I got Audited in 2012 after a considerable donation to Ron Paul as well, audit ordered from Cincinnati, OH, the office of Lois Lerner... "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
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Saddletramp (OP) User ID: 68373023 United States 03/10/2016 08:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | thinking you'll defeat a corrupted fraudulent system by using the same corrupted fraudulent system are like people who think they'll end war with a war. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71640509 Peace through war... "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71639286 United States 03/10/2016 08:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I understand your discontent ST. I don't agree with it. Quoting: Bodiless Do you really feel that the end of that rope has been reached? Respect for voicing your thoughts man, one way or another. I'm not saying it's time for a Revolution, I'm saying it's time to start using the ballot box for what it was intended for... Flushing your vote down the shitter? |
Saddletramp (OP) User ID: 68373023 United States 03/10/2016 09:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I understand your discontent ST. I don't agree with it. Quoting: Bodiless Do you really feel that the end of that rope has been reached? Respect for voicing your thoughts man, one way or another. I'm not saying it's time for a Revolution, I'm saying it's time to start using the ballot box for what it was intended for... Flushing your vote down the shitter? Sometimes you wonder... "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
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IlluminatedOne777 User ID: 71628711 United States 03/10/2016 09:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Donald Trump`s rise did not come from people looking for a protest vote despite what the media tries to spin it as. It is not from angry people lashing out blindly. Trump rocketed up the charts because of his stance on immigration. Especially the wall. Without his immigration plans he likely would never have caught on with the high unfavorables he had. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71415673 United States 03/10/2016 09:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Protest votes! Gotta love them. But are ballot boxes really the place to protest, or are they the place to try and forward your ideology? Quoting: Saddletramp I ask this genuinely, because Protest votes have historically elected the worst Leaders and Tyrants possible. And every time the USA has one of these "Protest" votes we seem to get dragged deeper into the hole. You see the problem is you go to the ballot box to use the system, to protest against the system, by making an outsider, an insider... Let me explain. Some of us probably remember 1994, huge influx of new Freshmen Congressmen all elected by Republicans to institute "Term Limits". 22 Years later we don't have Term Limits, but we still have some of those Congressmen who were elected to institute those Term Limits. You see there's a reason those Term Limits never quite got done; because those "Outsiders", are now the "Insiders" we're bitching about. Now we want to protest that exact sort of thing by doing the exact same thing we did in 1994. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. You cannot vote in a Rebellion! Because you cannot use the system to destroy the system. And an outsider is only an outsider until he's sworn in... The Ballot Box is no place to protest the system, hell it's practically a shrine to the System! The Ballot Box is where we compare our ideologies, then the people choose which Ideology is the best to take this country forward. That's why issues matter. Nobody is going to tear down a building while they're standing inside it... And don't tell me about Sampson, because he died in the end, and I haven't seen a Candidate out there yet that I think is willing to die for us, and history has shown that's the level of commitment it takes to try and take on this system from the inside. So here's to November 8, 2016. That day we will all flock to that ultimate shrine of our democratic republic, The Ballot Box, and use democracy to protest democracy... "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ You are a voice of reason ST. |
Saddletramp (OP) User ID: 68373023 United States 03/10/2016 09:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Donald Trump`s rise did not come from people looking for a protest vote despite what the media tries to spin it as. It is not from angry people lashing out blindly. Quoting: IlluminatedOne777 Trump rocketed up the charts because of his stance on immigration. Especially the wall. Without his immigration plans he likely would never have caught on with the high unfavorables he had. Protest candidates are always Populists (dem or rep), and all I've heard is how Trump is going to tear down the system, build a wall, kick all the Muslims out... These goals are not politically possible under the system of Government we have, but no one really cares...He's an Outsider who's telling you everything you want to hear, possible or not makes no difference. And, the more he seems to piss off the Establishment, the better he must be...That's not a protest candidate? Last Edited by Saddletramp on 03/10/2016 09:13 PM "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
loveexists User ID: 65163690 United States 03/10/2016 09:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I understand your discontent ST. I don't agree with it. Quoting: Bodiless Do you really feel that the end of that rope has been reached? Respect for voicing your thoughts man, one way or another. Discontent, well yeah in a way. Actually it's sort of like watching a slow motion train wreck on a loop, it's more like Amazed Disgust... Every 8 years now, another "Protest" vote, and about a year after that everyone figures out; hey I didn't know he was going to do THAT while he was in office. I didn't vote for THAT!!! No, actually you did vote for that, you were just so mad you didn't look at who you were voting for... Loop that train wreck footage again... The only true protest vote we've seen that had any strength was Perot in '92. Bush was never an outsider Clinton was never an outsider Bush was never an outsider Bammy not an outsider... So I'm not sure exactly what you're getting at? Woodrow Wilson was seen as an ... 'outsider' Because of the very nature OF duality, one must accept as factual duality's transient presence in order to truly comprehend its objective non-existence |
Saddletramp (OP) User ID: 68373023 United States 03/10/2016 09:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I understand your discontent ST. I don't agree with it. Quoting: Bodiless Do you really feel that the end of that rope has been reached? Respect for voicing your thoughts man, one way or another. Discontent, well yeah in a way. Actually it's sort of like watching a slow motion train wreck on a loop, it's more like Amazed Disgust... Every 8 years now, another "Protest" vote, and about a year after that everyone figures out; hey I didn't know he was going to do THAT while he was in office. I didn't vote for THAT!!! No, actually you did vote for that, you were just so mad you didn't look at who you were voting for... Loop that train wreck footage again... The only true protest vote we've seen that had any strength was Perot in '92. Bush was never an outsider Clinton was never an outsider Bush was never an outsider Bammy not an outsider... So I'm not sure exactly what you're getting at? Woodrow Wilson was seen as an ... 'outsider' One of, if not the, worst President we've ever had. History is full of terrible candidates that rode protest votes into offices they were not ready for where they did things their supporters never wanted or expected, it's also full of authoritarian tyrants who rose to power through protest votes... Last Edited by Saddletramp on 03/10/2016 09:16 PM "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 44813100 United States 03/10/2016 09:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You way overestimate the power of one man. Because in the end that is all you are sending to defeat them. One man alone against millions that are fighting to save the system that feeds them. It's never worked before in the modern era, why would it work now? Quoting: Saddletramp You're still replacing a Revolution with a Ballot Box, and the outcome is predictable as always... Alexander the Great was one man, and he conquered the entire known world. History is full of "just one man" who changed humanity forever. Your preemptive surrender is premature and unsupported by history. And the Joker didn't "lose". He was a nihilist. He ended as he started, into the nothing. But his unintended consequence was to strengthen the image of Batman, the hero, the single individual who would save Gotham. So there. #neenerneener Alexander the Great was not one man, his ARMY conquered the known world, and numerous kings and chiefs bought him off to prevent being conquered. Alexander the Great is not a great example of a man that put principals before money. Do you think any of these Candidates will put principals before money, because they will be offered money, a lot of fucking money, and we already know how much some Candidates love money... This is not ancient Greece, and I said modern times... For the analogy of Alexander the Great to hold true a candidate would have to lead an army against the Oligarchy, and in that case what did we need the ballot box for in the first place... Actually, Trump could be that one man that causes a Revolution. The establishment hates/fears him so much that they might do something over the top/drastic to stop him. Sparking the match that lights a fire and causes a Storm! |
Saddletramp (OP) User ID: 1945058 Puerto Rico 03/10/2016 09:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You way overestimate the power of one man. Because in the end that is all you are sending to defeat them. One man alone against millions that are fighting to save the system that feeds them. It's never worked before in the modern era, why would it work now? Quoting: Saddletramp You're still replacing a Revolution with a Ballot Box, and the outcome is predictable as always... Alexander the Great was one man, and he conquered the entire known world. History is full of "just one man" who changed humanity forever. Your preemptive surrender is premature and unsupported by history. And the Joker didn't "lose". He was a nihilist. He ended as he started, into the nothing. But his unintended consequence was to strengthen the image of Batman, the hero, the single individual who would save Gotham. So there. #neenerneener Alexander the Great was not one man, his ARMY conquered the known world, and numerous kings and chiefs bought him off to prevent being conquered. Alexander the Great is not a great example of a man that put principals before money. Do you think any of these Candidates will put principals before money, because they will be offered money, a lot of fucking money, and we already know how much some Candidates love money... This is not ancient Greece, and I said modern times... For the analogy of Alexander the Great to hold true a candidate would have to lead an army against the Oligarchy, and in that case what did we need the ballot box for in the first place... Actually, Trump could be that one man that causes a Revolution. The establishment hates/fears him so much that they might do something over the top/drastic to stop him. Sparking the match that lights a fire and causes a Storm! Well, we shall see how it goes...One thing is for sure, we'll know a lot more in a few weeks... "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
IlluminatedOne777 User ID: 71628711 United States 03/10/2016 09:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Donald Trump`s rise did not come from people looking for a protest vote despite what the media tries to spin it as. It is not from angry people lashing out blindly. Quoting: IlluminatedOne777 Trump rocketed up the charts because of his stance on immigration. Especially the wall. Without his immigration plans he likely would never have caught on with the high unfavorables he had. Protest candidates are always Populists (dem or rep), and all I've heard is how Trump is going to tear down the system, build a wall, kick all the Muslims out... These goals are not politically possible under the system of Government we have, but no one really cares...He's an Outsider who's telling you everything you want to hear, possible or not makes no difference. And, the more he seems to piss off the Establishment, the better he must be...That's not a protest candidate? You are trying to frame it as his main appeal is that hes upsetting the establishment. It isnt the "upset" at all thats winning people over. Its Trumps immigration policy. Its Trumps america first on trade deals. Its Trumps political dynamic where much of the political leeches have no more blood to suck. etc... So it isnt they hate him so we love him. Its we love his ideas hes putting forth so we are voting for him. And yes, those ideas are ideas that the establishment deeply resists and it does piss them off but thats a side effect of not the cause of Trumps rise. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 71640509 United States 03/10/2016 09:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I understand your discontent ST. I don't agree with it. Quoting: Bodiless Do you really feel that the end of that rope has been reached? Respect for voicing your thoughts man, one way or another. Discontent, well yeah in a way. Actually it's sort of like watching a slow motion train wreck on a loop, it's more like Amazed Disgust... Every 8 years now, another "Protest" vote, and about a year after that everyone figures out; hey I didn't know he was going to do THAT while he was in office. I didn't vote for THAT!!! No, actually you did vote for that, you were just so mad you didn't look at who you were voting for... Loop that train wreck footage again... The only true protest vote we've seen that had any strength was Perot in '92. Bush was never an outsider Clinton was never an outsider Bush was never an outsider Bammy not an outsider... So I'm not sure exactly what you're getting at? Woodrow Wilson was seen as an ... 'outsider' And Wilson was one of the biggest puppets there was. And insider Edward M. House made him do everything he wanted. |
Saddletramp (OP) User ID: 1945058 Puerto Rico 03/10/2016 09:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Donald Trump`s rise did not come from people looking for a protest vote despite what the media tries to spin it as. It is not from angry people lashing out blindly. Quoting: IlluminatedOne777 Trump rocketed up the charts because of his stance on immigration. Especially the wall. Without his immigration plans he likely would never have caught on with the high unfavorables he had. Protest candidates are always Populists (dem or rep), and all I've heard is how Trump is going to tear down the system, build a wall, kick all the Muslims out... These goals are not politically possible under the system of Government we have, but no one really cares...He's an Outsider who's telling you everything you want to hear, possible or not makes no difference. And, the more he seems to piss off the Establishment, the better he must be...That's not a protest candidate? You are trying to frame it as his main appeal is that hes upsetting the establishment. It isnt the "upset" at all thats winning people over. Its Trumps immigration policy. Its Trumps america first on trade deals. Its Trumps political dynamic where much of the political leeches have no more blood to suck. etc... So it isnt they hate him so we love him. Its we love his ideas hes putting forth so we are voting for him. And yes, those ideas are ideas that the establishment deeply resists and it does piss them off but thats a side effect of not the cause of Trumps rise. I'm sorry, it's not. He's changed many of these policies yet people don't care. He says he's "Softened" on H1B Visa's, his apologists don't care, he says there's going to be "Some Give and Take" on immigration, his apologists don't care. When told he'll have to get an authorization from Congress to build this wall (because only 700 miles is actually authorized now) he has no idea how he'll get that through, his apologists don't care. Then there are people going against their own ideologies to back the protest candidate (which is typical of protest candidates), they don't mind that he's for the Patriot Act, Torture, Mass Surveillance. They don't care that he's donated to people who are totally opposite of them politically, they don't care that's he's given money to the largest Abortion Mill in the USA, New York Planned Parenthood. They don't care that he was once for the assault weapons ban. This lack of cohesive ideology lets you know immediately this is not about ideology, this is about a Cult of Personality. This is about a protest. You'll notice of all the Trump supporters that have shown up on this thread you're the only one who's tried to argue that it's about ideology. I'm sorry, the evidence proves otherwise. "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71603614 Australia 03/10/2016 09:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I thought this being a conspiracy site that the PTB have determined already who will become POTUS as they have decided this since at least JFKs death. Your vote means absolutely nothing and all candidates are bought and paid for ten times over by the corporations. Apparently Trump is self funded .I don't believe this for one minute. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71640509 United States 03/10/2016 09:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You way overestimate the power of one man. Because in the end that is all you are sending to defeat them. One man alone against millions that are fighting to save the system that feeds them. It's never worked before in the modern era, why would it work now? Quoting: Saddletramp You're still replacing a Revolution with a Ballot Box, and the outcome is predictable as always... Alexander the Great was one man, and he conquered the entire known world. History is full of "just one man" who changed humanity forever. Your preemptive surrender is premature and unsupported by history. And the Joker didn't "lose". He was a nihilist. He ended as he started, into the nothing. But his unintended consequence was to strengthen the image of Batman, the hero, the single individual who would save Gotham. So there. #neenerneener Alexander the Great was not one man, his ARMY conquered the known world, and numerous kings and chiefs bought him off to prevent being conquered. Alexander the Great is not a great example of a man that put principals before money. Do you think any of these Candidates will put principals before money, because they will be offered money, a lot of fucking money, and we already know how much some Candidates love money... This is not ancient Greece, and I said modern times... For the analogy of Alexander the Great to hold true a candidate would have to lead an army against the Oligarchy, and in that case what did we need the ballot box for in the first place... Actually, Trump could be that one man that causes a Revolution. The establishment hates/fears him so much that they might do something over the top/drastic to stop him. Sparking the match that lights a fire and causes a Storm! you guy smiss ST's whole point. You can't vote in a revolution. You can't vote for something to tear down the system, when the process of voting is supporting the system you think you are tearing down. Even if trump is 100% legit and not yet another CFR puppet, the ELECTIONS ARE RIGGED. So it doesn't matter how legit or anti-establismnet trump might be, or how many people turn out to vote for him. The votes are meaningless, the vote count is all that matters, and the people, even the US government doesn't oversee the count. Scytl, the comapny Soros owns, is counting the votes. And there's no way to track or verify the count Scytl will release. if the elite want trump, they'll count the vote in his favor. If they want clinton or sanders they'll count the vote in their favor. Voting in a corrupt system, is pointless. All that matters is who counts the vote. |