Chemtrail HQ 2020 Discussion Thread Shill-Free&Moderated- post your sightings, safe posting zone, CT thread compilations, and no contrails

Crusader

I had no IDEA you did all this work to put together a great source of info for Chemtrails.

I want to thank you.

I have been banned repeatedly for getting testy with the shills. I assume that is the reason. Either Way, this thread should get a a LIFE LONG PIN.

Thanks Brother.

Ha, I just replied to your post on another thread regarding GLP Chemtrail shill deference.

A little ditty we put together today...chemtrails hot and heavy everywhere...the video is from 2012 in South Carolina

[link to www.wnd.com]

But..but..but..they are contrails....

Stupid shills...

[link to www.activistpost.com]

[link to www.geoengineeringwatch.org]

Article by Col. Randall Smith, Ph.D., Commander, NECN, contributing writer for geoengineeringwatch.org

To a very great extent, America is fighting several wars – some on foreign soil, one on our own. Aside from disrupting or eliminating the flow of items key to survival (clean water, nourishment, sanitary living conditions, etc.), governments (federal and state) are executing plans for complete disruption of our usual means of communication. This includes telephony in all of its forms (land-lines, cellular, VOiP) and the internet.

You are already acutely aware of the "blackout" of the major news organizations, all of which are owned and controlled by major corporations or "banksters".

cont. at link

(Note: This article encompasses DOOM on a large scale, in most facets of our lives. I was uncomfortable reading it but did learn things of which I was not aware)

May be freely reprinted, so long as the text is unaltered, all hyperlinks are left intact, and credit for the article is prominently given to geoengineeringwatch.org and the article’s author with a hyperlink back to the original story.

from link

By now, you are certainly aware of the nationwide airborne aerosol spraying program which is, and has been for years, conducted by the U.S. Air Force, the U.S. Navy and the U.S. Coast Guard. KC-135 (and perhaps other) aircraft, which were originally designed and built as "tankers" to permit in-flight refueling, have been converted to carry payloads of a wide variety of chemical and biological "payloads".

Fitted with nozzles, they have dispersed and are dispersing tons of these agents over all of the "lower 48" states, plus Alaska and Hawaii. This project is not limited to the United States or North America. It is part of a world plan. At first, many Americans thought that these were the familiar "contrails" that follow jet engines at altitude. As a B-52 and, ironically, a KC-135 electronics officer, I can tell you with absolute certainty that these are not contrails.

Contrails are created when very hot, burned jet fuel vapors combine with cooler, humid air. The interaction of the two causes a cloud-like contrail. Typically, contrails are fairly short in length, and they dissipate after only a few seconds (thought they continue to follow the aircraft during its flight) so long as ambient air is cool and humid. They do not grow in width as a function of time.

Very few Americans have not noticed what have come to be known as "chemtrails" (chemical trails) which may run in parallel lines or perpendicular patterns in our skies. To my knowledge, no portion of the United States has been spared. There is a great deal of useful and helpful information on "chemtrails"(geoengineering) on the internet. As always, be selective in what you read, and think critically.


(THEY'RE TRYING TO KILL US ALL)

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from link:


Many reasons have been given in regard to the purposes of these flights. Reasons have included such things as reduction in global warming, redirection of violent weather patterns to safer locations, an aid to military communications, a defense against enemy radar and satellite surveillance/reconnaissance, etc. Another frequently cited reason has to do with controlling the weather of other countries, particularly those in which we have troops involved in conflicts.

There were also many reasons given in the FEMA-Wal-Mart conspiracy, e.g. these stores are being closed because of multiple, simultaneous "plumbing problems"? To repair those plumbing problems, FEMA had portable guard towers strategically in the parking lots of some stores, complete with searchlights and acoustic assault speakers. Or the fact that the closings and modifications began during operation Jade Helm 15?

Despite their unmistakable presence and coverage patterns, no viable or credible reasons have been given for them. Reasons that have been given are at variance from one another and seem to skirt the facts that these chemical and biological agents are demonstrably and extremely dangerous to the health of humans, animals and plants.

The effects on animal life (fish, birds, perhaps the mysterious, drastic decline in the bee population, etc.) and agriculture have been nothing short of disastrous. Perhaps you have seen some of the photographs of thousands upon thousands of dead fish lining a coastline, or dead birds covering fields, roads, homes and yards.

To me, this is an example of the military-industrial-government complex that we have been forewarned about repeatedly for decades operating at its best and most efficient with no interruptions, interference or objections from the people that this affects most profoundly – American citizens. I believe that, regardless of one's theological beliefs (and I am certainly no Biblical scholar), Scripture asks questions that seem particularly salient now: "Do you have ears, but do not hear; do you have eyes, but do not see?"

In my field, we make a distinction between listening and looking (passive behaviors) and hearing and seeing (active behaviors, often requiring hard work). We have been warned repeatedly by several Presidents over the decades about this unholy alliance, however, for whatever reasons, we have failed to pay attention to these alerts, and we certainly failed, as citizens living in a Republic, to act on them. Now, we are seeing the consequences of our inattention and lack of involvement in our governments, and no one is more guilty than I.

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So rather than being allowed to express our wills by means of the "Initiative" or the "Referendum" as provided by the Constitution on such significant issues as the construction of over 800 FEMA camps (some equipped with recently expanded crematoria), the conversion of closed military installations into detention centers, passage of the "Patriot Act" and the "National Defense Authorization Act", the formation of an out-of-control DHS and its purchase of over two-billion rounds of "hollow point" or anti-personnel ammunition (which, contrary to what DHS told us, is not for "target practice"), construction of underground, multi-level interstate highways which run from Denver International Airport to Washington, D.C. to Maine with multiple diverging routes between these points, a high-speed underground railroad and over one-hundred underground cities complete with ample, long-term supplies of food, water, medical supplies (even operating suites), etc., we passively allowed these things to come into being.

We and our Congress were effectively by-passed or short-circuited by a President who unilaterally enacted a series of illegal "Executive Orders" (which no one questioned), a President who, in all likelihood, does not meet the criteria specified in our Constitution for someone to hold that office legally, a President who, when not self-constrained, exhibits unmistakable symptoms of megalomania.

The ability of the people to be able to vote on these kinds of issues takes on additional importance when one considers that our elected representatives in Washington are no longer there to represent us or our best interests. My personal opinion is that they are motivated principally by greed for wealth and power.

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Could somebody please show me how that post he captured showed me talking to myself? Why do you accept it as fact? Are you just trolling me?! Or are you just crazy?

Very Funny Chemtrail Shill Post

Here is an example of 'a Chemtrail shill' forgetting to reset his IP and having a ludicrous argument with himself, thinking he was logged in as his other userid.


Actual thread can be found on Thread: US Air Force Whistle Blower Blows The Whistle On CHEMTRAILS being sprayed by US govt!!! (Page 13)

Here's some light reading for those interested in patents related to the topic at hand:

0462795 – July 16, 1891 – Method Of Producing Rain-Fall
1103490 – August 6, 1913 – Rain-Maker
1225521 – September 4, 1915 – Protecting From Poisonous Gas In Warfare
1338343 – April 27, 1920 – Process And Apparatus For The Production of Intense Artificial Clouds, Fogs, or Mists
1619183 – March 1, 1927 – Process of Producing Smoke Clouds From Moving Aircraft
1631753 – June 7, 1927 – Electric Heater
1665267 – April 10, 1928 – Process of Producing Artificial Fogs
1892132 – December 27, 1932 – Atomizing Attachment For Airplane Engine Exhausts
1928963 – October 3, 1933 – Electrical System And Method
1957075 – May 1, 1934 – Airplane Spray Equipment
2097581 – November 2, 1937 – Electric Stream Generator – Referenced in 3990987
2409201 – October 15, 1946 – Smoke Producing Mixture
2476171 – July 18, 1945 – Smoke Screen Generator
2480967 – September 6, 1949 – Aerial Discharge Device
2550324 – April 24, 1951 – Process For Controlling Weather
2582678 – June 15, 1952 – Material Disseminating Apparatus For Airplanes
2591988 – April 8, 1952 – Production of TiO2 Pigments – Referenced in 3899144
2614083 – October 14, 1952 – Metal Chloride Screening Smoke Mixture
2633455 – March 31, 1953 – Smoke Generator
2688069 – August 31, 1954 – Steam Generator – Referenced in 3990987
2721495 – October 25, 1955 – Method And Apparatus For Detecting Minute Crystal Forming Particles Suspended in a Gaseous Atmosphere
2730402 – January 10, 1956 – Controllable Dispersal Device
2801322 – July 30, 1957 – Decomposition Chamber for Monopropellant Fuel – Referenced in 3990987
2881335 – April 7, 1959 – Generation of Electrical Fields
2908442 – October 13, 1959 – Method For Dispersing Natural Atmospheric Fogs And Clouds
2986360 – May 30, 1962 – Aerial Insecticide Dusting Device
2963975 – December 13, 1960 – Cloud Seeding Carbon Dioxide Bullet
3126155 – March 24, 1964 – Silver Iodide Cloud Seeding Generator
3127107 – March 31, 1964 – Generation of Ice-Nucleating Crystals
3131131 – April 28, 1964 – Electrostatic Mixing in Microbial Conversions
3174150 – March 16, 1965 – Self-Focusing Antenna System
3234357 – February 8, 1966 – Electrically Heated Smoke Producing Device
3274035 – September 20, 1966 – Metallic Composition For Production of Hydroscopic Smoke
3300721 – January 24, 1967 – Means For Communication Through a Layer of Ionized Gases
3313487 – April 11, 1967 – Cloud Seeding Apparatus
3338476 – August 29, 1967 – Heating Device For Use With Aerosol Containers
3410489 – November 12, 1968 – Automatically Adjustable Airfoil Spray System With Pump
3429507 – February 25, 1969 – Rainmaker
3432208 – November 7, 1967 – Fluidized Particle Dispenser
3441214 – April 29, 1969 – Method And Apparatus For Seeding Clouds
3445844 – May 20, 1969 – Trapped Electromagnetic Radiation Communications System
3456880 – July 22, 1969 – Method Of Producing Precipitation From The Atmosphere
3518670 June 30, 1970 – Artificial Ion Cloud
3534906 – October 20, 1970 – Control of Atmospheric Particles
3545677 – December 8, 1970 – Method of Cloud Seeding
3564253 – February 16, 1971 – System And Method For Irradiation Of Planet Surface Areas
3587966 – June 28, 1971 – Freezing Nucleation
3601312 – August 24, 1971 – Methods of Increasing The Likelihood oF Precipitation By The Artificial Introduction Of Sea Water Vapor Into The Atmosphere Winward Of An Air Lift Region
3608810 – September 28, 1971 – Methods of Treating Atmospheric Conditions
3608820– September 20, 1971 – Treatment of Atmospheric Conditions by Intermittent Dispensing of Materials Therein
3613992 – October 19, 1971 – Weather Modification Method
3630950 – December 28, 1971 – Combustible Compositions For Generating Aerosols, Particularly Suitable For Cloud Modification And Weather Control And Aerosolization Process
USRE29142 – May 22, 1973 – Combustible compositions for generating aerosols, particularly suitable for cloud modification and weather control and aerosolization process
3659785 – December 8, 1971 – Weather Modification Utilizing Microencapsulated Material
3666176 – March 3, 1972 – Solar Temperature Inversion Device
3677840 – July 18, 1972 – Pyrotechnics Comprising Oxide of Silver For Weather Modification Use
3722183 – March 27, 1973 – Device For Clearing Impurities From The Atmosphere
3769107 – October 30, 1973 – Pyrotechnic Composition For Generating Lead Based Smoke
3784099 – January 8, 1974 – Air Pollution Control Method
3785557 – January 15, 1974 – Cloud Seeding System
3795626 – March 5, 1974 – Weather Modification Process
3808595 – April 30, 1974 – Chaff Dispensing System
3813875 – June 4, 1974 – Rocket Having Barium Release System to Create Ion Clouds In The Upper Atmosphere
3835059 – September 10, 1974 – Methods of Generating Ice Nuclei Smoke Particles For Weather Modification And Apparatus Therefore
3835293 – September 10, 1974 – Electrical Heating Apparatus For Generating Super Heated Vapors
3877642 – April 15, 1975 – Freezing Nucleant
3882393 – May 6, 1975 – Communications System Utilizing Modulation of The Characteristic Polarization of The Ionosphere
3896993 – July 29, 1975 – Process For Local Modification of Fog And Clouds For Triggering Their Precipitation And For Hindering The Development of Hail Producing Clouds
3899129 – August 12, 1975 – Apparatus for generating ice nuclei smoke particles for weather modification
3899144 – August 12, 1975 – Powder contrail generation
3940059 – February 24, 1976 – Method For Fog Dispersion
3940060 – February 24, 1976 – Vortex Ring Generator
3990987 – November 9, 1976 – Smoke generator
3992628 – November 16, 1976 – Countermeasure system for laser radiation
3994437 – November 30, 1976 – Broadcast dissemination of trace quantities of biologically active chemicals
4042196 – August 16, 1977 – Method and apparatus for triggering a substantial change in earth characteristics and measuring earth changes
RE29,142 – February 22, 1977 – Combustible compositions for generating aerosols, particularly suitable for cloud modification and weather control and aerosolization process
4035726 – July 12, 1977 – Method of controlling and/or improving high-latitude and other communications or radio wave surveillance systems by partial control of radio wave et al
4096005 – June 20, 1978 – Pyrotechnic Cloud Seeding Composition
4129252 – December 12, 1978 – Method and apparatus for production of seeding materials
4141274 – February 27, 1979 – Weather modification automatic cartridge dispenser
4167008 – September 4, 1979 – Fluid bed chaff dispenser
4347284 – August 31, 1982 – White cover sheet material capable of reflecting ultraviolet rays
4362271 – December 7, 1982 – Procedure for the artificial modification of atmospheric precipitation as well as compounds with a dimethyl sulfoxide base for use in carrying out said procedure
4402480 – September 6, 1983 – Atmosphere modification satellite
4412654 – November 1, 1983 – Laminar microjet atomizer and method of aerial spraying of liquids
4415265 – November 15, 1983 – Method and apparatus for aerosol particle absorption spectroscopy
4470544 – September 11, 1984 – Method of and Means for weather modification
4475927 – October 9, 1984 – Bipolar Fog Abatement System
4600147 – July 15, 1986 – Liquid propane generator for cloud seeding apparatus
4633714 – January 6, 1987 – Aerosol particle charge and size analyzer
4643355 – February 17, 1987 – Method and apparatus for modification of climatic conditions
4653690 – March 31, 1987 – Method of producing cumulus clouds
4684063 – August 4, 1987 – Particulates generation and removal
4686605 – August 11, 1987 – HAARP Patent / EASTLUND PATENT – Method and apparatus for altering a region in the earth’s atmosphere, ionosphere, and/or magnetosphere
4704942 – November 10, 1987 – Charged Aerosol
4712155 – December 8, 1987 – Method and apparatus for creating an artificial electron cyclotron heating region of plasma
4744919 – May 17, 1988 – Method of dispersing particulate aerosol tracer
4766725 – August 30, 1988 – Method of suppressing formation of contrails and solution therefor
4829838 – May 16, 1989 – Method and apparatus for the measurement of the size of particles entrained in a gas
4836086 – June 6, 1989 – Apparatus and method for the mixing and diffusion of warm and cold air for dissolving fog
4873928 – October 17, 1989 – Nuclear-sized explosions without radiation
4948257 – August 14, 1990 – Laser optical measuring device and method for stabilizing fringe pattern spacing
1338343– August 14, 1990 – Process and Apparatus for the production of intense artificial Fog
4999637 – March 12, 1991 – Creation of artificial ionization clouds above the earth
5003186 – March 26, 1991 – Stratospheric Welsbach seeding for reduction of global warming
5005355 – April 9, 1991 – Method of suppressing formation of contrails and solution therefor
5038664 – August 13, 1991 – Method for producing a shell of relativistic particles at an altitude above the earths surface
5041760 – August 20, 1991 – Method and apparatus for generating and utilizing a compound plasma configuration
5041834 – August 20, 1991 – Artificial ionospheric mirror composed of a plasma layer which can be tilted
5056357 – October 15, 1991- Acoustic method for measuring properties of a mobile medium
5059909 – October 22, 1991 – Determination of particle size and electrical charge
5104069 – April 14, 1992 – Apparatus and method for ejecting matter from an aircraft
5110502 – May 5, 1992 – Method of suppressing formation of contrails and solution therefor
5156802 – October 20, 1992 – Inspection of fuel particles with acoustics
5174498 – December 29, 1992 – Cloud Seeding
5148173 – September 15, 1992 – Millimeter wave screening cloud and method
5242820 - September 7, 1993 – Army Mycoplasma Patent Patent
5245290 – September 14, 1993 – Device for determining the size and charge of colloidal particles by measuring electroacoustic effect
5286979 – February 15, 1994 – Process for absorbing ultraviolet radiation using dispersed melanin
5296910 – March 22, 1994 – Method and apparatus for particle analysis
5327222 – July 5, 1994 – Displacement information detecting apparatus
5357865 – October 25, 1994 – Method of cloud seeding
5360162 – November 1, 1994 – Method and composition for precipitation of atmospheric water
5383024 – January 17, 1995 – Optical wet steam monitor
5425413 – June 20, 1995 – Method to hinder the formation and to break-up overhead atmospheric inversions, enhance ground level air circulation and improve urban air quality
5434667 – July 18, 1995 – Characterization of particles by modulated dynamic light scattering
5441200 – August 15, 1995 – Tropical cyclone disruption
5486900 – January 23, 1996 – Measuring device for amount of charge of toner and image forming apparatus having the measuring device
5556029 – September 17, 1996 – Method of hydrometeor dissipation (clouds)
5628455 – May 13, 1997 – Method and apparatus for modification of supercooled fog
5631414 – May 20, 1997 – Method and device for remote diagnostics of ocean-atmosphere system state
5639441 – June 17, 1997 – Methods for fine particle formation
5762298 – June 9, 1998 – Use of artificial satellites in earth orbits adaptively to modify the effect that solar radiation would otherwise have on earth’s weather
5800481 – September 1, 1998 – Thermal excitation of sensory resonances
5912396 – June 15, 1999 – System and method for remediation of selected atmospheric conditions
5922976 – July 13, 1999 – Method of measuring aerosol particles using automated mobility-classified aerosol detector
5949001 – September 7, 1999 – Method for aerodynamic particle size analysis
5984239 – November 16, 1999 – Weather modification by artificial satellite
6025402 – February 15, 2000 – Chemical composition for effectuating a reduction of visibility obscuration, and a detoxifixation of fumes and chemical fogs in spaces of fire origin
6030506 – February 29, 2000 – Preparation of independently generated highly reactive chemical species
6034073 – March 7, 2000 – Solvent detergent emulsions having antiviral activity
6045089 – April 4, 2000 – Solar-powered airplane
6056203 – May 2, 2000 – Method and apparatus for modifying supercooled clouds
6110590 – August 29, 2000 – Synthetically spun silk nanofibers and a process for making the same
6263744 – July 24, 2001 – Automated mobility-classified-aerosol detector
6281972 – August 28, 2001 – Method and apparatus for measuring particle-size distribution
6315213 – November 13, 2001 – Method of modifying weather
6382526 – May 7, 2002 – Process and apparatus for the production of nanofibers
6408704 – June 25, 2002 – Aerodynamic particle size analysis method and apparatus
6412416 – July 2, 2002 – Propellant-based aerosol generation devices and method
6520425 – February 18, 2003 – Process and apparatus for the production of nanofibers
6539812 – April 1, 2003 – System for measuring the flow-rate of a gas by means of ultrasound
6553849 – April 29, 2003 – Electrodynamic particle size analyzer
6569393 – May 27, 2003 – Method And Device For Cleaning The Atmosphere
0056705 A1 – March 17, 2005 – Weather Modification by Royal Rainmaking Technology
6890497 – May 10, 2005 – Method For Extracting And Sequestering Carbon Dioxide
7965488 – November 9, 2007 – Methods Of Removing Aerosols From The Atmosphere
8048309 – August 28, 2008 – Seawater-Based Carbon Dioxide Disposal
8012453 – October 27, 2008 – Carbon Sequestration And Production Of Hydrogen And Hydride
7645326 – January 12, 2010 – RFID environmental manipulation
7655193 – February 2, 2010 – Apparatus For Extracting And Sequestering Carbon Dioxide
8079545 – December 20, 2011 – Ground based Manipulation and Control of Aerial Vehicle during nonflying operations
0117003 – October 5, 2012 – Geoengineering Method Of Business Using Carbon Counterbalance Credits – alternate link
8373962 – February 12, 2013 – Charged seed cloud as a method for increasing particle collisions and for scavenging airborne biological agents and other contaminants


[link to www.geoengineeringwatch.org]

This landmark GLP thread from 2012 has been edited and formatted for easy readability.
It only contains posts from Day-1 of the thread.
The regular text queries are from our own preeminent GLP members, the bold text are the responses from the Chemtrail chemicals chemist OP.

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 6323246
I spent 17 years developing various chemicals for Chemtrails - ask me almost anything.
Can't tell you the name of my employers. Nor can I tell you the exact chemical compositions of the mixtures I helped developed. I can answer almost everything else.


Does Evergreen have planes modified for this?
Quoting: knows 7647344
I can't say with 100% certainty that the chemicals I worked on ended up in Evergreen planes, but I do know for a fact that cargo airline companies like Evergreen routinely accept large sums of money to load and disperse chemtrails. Much more lucrative than just hauling cargo.

What is/are their purpose(s)?
How toxic are they?
Do they breakdown or accumulate?
Thanks
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 802683
Purpose(s): Too many to count on ten fingers. It really depends on where they are going to be used. Many are calming agents. Others induce a state of haziness. Rarely, we were asked to develop mixtures to incite anger/rash behavior. 90% of what we worked on aimed to alter emotions/mood/state of mind.
Toxicity: In almost all cases, it was made very clear to us that what we were working on should have minimal toxicity. Naturally, a small percent of the population will have allergic tendencies to a chemical compound. But in some cases we even went as far as animal testing to ensure that the chemicals we were working on were relatively non-toxic. I never worked on a project where the intended result was toxic/fatal.
Breakdown/Accumulate: Varies a lot based on the chemical structure. Some of the mixtures we developed were intended to dissipate to concentrations as low as one part per billion by the time they reached ground level. Others were specifically designed to reach ground level and last for up to a year. Even after rain/wind/snow, etc.

is gold involved?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1360829
I am pretty sure that gold never played a major role in any of our chemical mixtures. If it ever was, it was a secondary ingredient that didn't play a major role in the intended effect.

Beyond your company which I will assume is subcontracted anyway, do you have any clue who's behind the spraying?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4062871
Do you mean which airlines conduct the spraying? Or who coerces the airlines into doing so? I do know that 99% of the time, a commercial pilot is unaware that their plane may be spraying chemtrails. I realized after some time that whatever organization is "behind the scenes" of all this is very good at making sure to directly deal with as few people as possible. I never knew who was contracting my employer's services. Not once.

So it's a psy-opps in the truest sense?
Do you know how wide spread it is?
Are certain areas targeted more than others?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4062871
I do know that North America is not the only continent that uses ADCs (aerially dispersed chemicals) without the knowledge of the population. However, I also know that the chemical technology of other countries are close to a decade behind that of the United States.
I never knew where the chemicals I worked on ended up being used. Like I said before, there is a LOT of secrecy. I only did it for 17 years because the paycheck and benefits were beautiful. All I can say is that sometimes we were given the job of developing chemical mixtures expecting very specific results, which gave me the sense that they would be used for a specific area. State, county, city - I don't know. I do know that it would be very hard to target an area smaller than a city from the altitude of a commercial airliner. Although I did work on a couple projects where the intent was to develop a mixture that would not disperse very far; just drop as fast as possible without spreading out.

Barium breaks down the immune system by depleting Vit C.
Why use barium?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5114133
We did use Barium in more than one final products. However, for all of these projects, we conducted extensive testing to ensure that the chemicals would dissipate to non-toxic levels by the time they reached ground level. Baritosis was a huge concern of our contractors when developing anything that required Barium. Most of our final mixtures that used Barium were designed to reach ground level in concentrations of one part per million or less.

OP,
1)What do yo wnat to tell us?
2)Name 5 or 10 reasons for spraying us, please.
Communication, weather modification, mood swings in the population... sickness/flu symptoms...
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3675479
I don't really want to tell you anything. I've been out of the business for long enough, to the point where I feel safe revealing some of the details of my employment. That, and this glass of scotch.

Reasons for spraying...like I said, we never knew the contractors true "intent". But 9 times out of 10, it was pretty obvious because when asking us to develop chemical compounds, they have to tell us what they want them to do. To name a few: weather modification, emotion suppressants, emotion expectorants, environmental modification. Also, interesting that you should mention "sickness/flu symptoms" - although I said earlier that with 99% of our products we were specifically instructed to ensure non-toxicity, there were more than a few projects we worked on that were meant to create "symptoms", without causing any real harm to the subjects.

In your opinion what is the overall agenda driving chemtrails?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4062871
Control. Whether it's over people, the weather, the environment - it all boils down to control. It's human nature to want to be in control.

Chemtrails have a patent which involves the sun. I have read the patent.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5114133
Not sure which patent you are referring to. Our mixtures were never patented. Mainly because patents are public information. But patents can still be kept private; our mixtures were never patented for the purpose of plausible deniability and lack of a paper trail. Keep in mind that nearly everything we were contracted to do was not legal by nearly any sense of the word. I can, however, remember one project that was designed to work differently based on sunlight levels - it was a weather modification project.

The elderly, very young, and immunocompromised would suffer ill effects, including possible death.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5114133
Like I said before, a lot of care was taken to ensure non-toxicity of almost all of our mixtures. We didn't just achieve this with healthy, middle aged people in mind. As far as immuno-compromised individuals, well, that's a pretty broad term. There are hundreds if not thousands of different immuno-compromising diseases and conditions. Most of these leave the person overly susceptible to bacteria and viruses, not chemicals. But as I said before, it was inevitable that there would be a marginal number of ill effects to what we developed.

Would you be willing to tell us the years (dates)you were actively involved?
And/or how long have we been getting sprayed in secret?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4062871
I'd rather give a range than exact years - early 80s to early 2000's. Not sure when spraying started exactly, but judging from the scientific papers we based our some of our research on, it didn't take long after the dawn of modern chemistry for people to learn that chemicals can be used for nefarious purposes as well as good ones.

Why did you choose this website of all places to reveal this knowledge?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7986585
Where else would anyone believe me?

There is a patent on chemtrails for weather modification. You sound highly educated. I'm becoming interested in what you have to say.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5114133
I'd be interested to know the patent number you are referring to - it certainly wasn't filed for by my employer.

Alternations in biofunctioning can lead to the susceptibility of disease from bacteria, virus, fungal...barium reduces Vit C levels, which in turn compromises the immune system, especially in those already compromised. The levels discovered on the ground were higher than what would be considered marginal.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5114133
What levels on the ground are you referring to? If it's true, then it was either a mixture developed by another research group (the one I worked with was definitely not the only one), or something went wrong with the deployment of our mixture (i.e. it was deployed under atmospheric conditions in which we specifically advised our contractors not to use them in).


I just love how casually people interact with mass murderers.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8222648
I'm sorry, but I resent that - you clearly haven't read any of my responses. 99% of the time, non-toxicity was top priority. I can say with complete confidence that even our most dangerous mixtures never had more than a 1 in 50,000 mortality rate, assuming they were deployed as advised.

Is it true that some chemtrails help amplify the effects of haarp?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4062871
Sorry, but I really don't know anything about HAARP other than that they are believed to be actively researching weather modification. If they ever contracted our services, I never knew.

Are you still in contact with any old coworkers who are still involved? if so are there any updates or current info you would like to share?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4062871
There was an odd generation gap in the research group I worked with. I.e. by the time I left, everyone at our lab fell into two groups - 55 years and older, or less than 5-10 years out of college. I actually felt like they did this on purpose, to minimize the chance that we would keep in contact with anyone "still in the business" after retiring. Besides the mountains of non-disclosure agreements I was forced to sign. But no, I don't keep in contact with anyone still conducting research. In fact I only keep in touch with one former lab mate, who resigned two years after me.


As you already indicated, patents are in the public arena. I read an actual patent pertaining to this, but as you indicated patents are public so just Google "chemtrail weather modification patents" and you will find patent numbers. Your language is that of a PhD Chemists.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5114133
After searching for that, I did find results, but none on the uspto.gov website. If there are indeed US patents filed for weather modification chemicals, I wouldn't be surprised if they are some sort of distraction. I.e. the oldest magic trick in the book - watch this hand over here, don't worry about what the other hand is doing behind the back. If people are spending all their time trying to figure out what is going on with the publicly listed patents, then that is less people trying to find the real research.

Were these chemicals delivered through inhalation, absorption, ingestion? What was the route of delivery to achieve the desired goal?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5114133
We developed mixtures that worked via all three of the pathways you described.


Did any of your compounds ever cloak the sky?
Quoting: bozz723
I'm not sure what you mean...as in they were intended to block out the sun? If that is the case, then no.
By the way, in case some of you haven't noticed, I'm choosing not to respond to any religious trolls who are asking me how it feels to be doomed to eternal hellfire. I've come to terms with my career over the past decade. I'm not here to argue religion and the afterlife.

Was this for the military? Are you Chemist? Is it a worldwide phenomenon? What is the purpose of Chemtrails?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5114133
Clientele: See previous posts - I had no idea (still don't to this day).
Am I a chemist: Yes, I received a B.S. in Chemistry, and my PhD in biochemistry.
Is it a worldwide phenomenon: See previous post - North America is not the only continent to use aerially dispersed chemicals.
Purpose of chemtrails: See previous posts.

Write it all up (with proof) and send to all the newsdesks in the U.S. I bet somone would run it.
Quoting: Writemeaticket Red
I would worry for my safety if I were to actually do that. I don't even feel completely safe discussing it on an internet forum.

But how do you feel about what you have done? Like I said, I'm not judging, nor am I seeking a religious argument.
Quoting: Writemeaticket Red
Not great. I would feel much, much worse if non-toxicity had not been as much of a concern as it was. But even so, I've dealt with a great amount of regret since retirement. Developed a drinking problem. But I've managed to come to terms with my nearly two decades of work, and I am ready to accept whatever fate awaits me.

I’m curious as to what motivated you to discuss Chemtrails?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5114133
I guess I've been needing to get it off my chest for some time. I can't talk about it with family and friends - they think I am making some sort of "mad scientist" joke and laugh it off. None of them have ever taken me seriously when I try to explain the details of my career. I was just a research chemist as far as they are concerned.

If you write it all up and mail it to all the major newsdesks -- anonymously & from a remote location -- you could blow the lid off the subject. And possibly even save some people.
Quoting: Writemeaticket Red
The other thing is, I have absolutely zero proof other than my word. I know for a fact that our research lab is no longer in the same location as it was when I worked there. I drove by a couple years ago, and the sign is for some new company I've never heard of. I was forced to surrender my lab notebooks upon retirement. I was also forced to allow them to search my house and car upon retirement, and they were given full right to confiscate anything that could have been related to my work. People have come to the media saying they worked at Area 51, but never get real media coverage for the same reason - the only proof they have is their experiences.

2 questions:
1) you mentioned these chemicals were sometimes designed to "calm". Any of these mixtures have to do with memory loss or attention deficits? Seems like people are complaining more and more of being scatter brained and forgetful. People seem to lose focus a lot too.
2) is there a way to avoid them or detox from these chemicals?
Thanks
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6902029
There was one project where we were asked to "experiment" with memory loss compounds. I think our contractors asked us to "experiment" because they knew it was a very tricky field. We ended up making a little headway, but could not develop anything that was anything near safe for use on humans. So the project was scrapped. As far as attention deficit, there was a project we worked on that was supposed to induce temporary inability to focus. I suppose that's the same thing.
As far as a way to avoid these sorts of thing...I suppose a way of avoiding chemicals greater than 0.1 μm in size would protect you against most of what we worked on. Good luck wearing something like that and not looking like a nutjob in public (maybe Japan has the right idea?). Detox - no clue. Not my area of expertise.

Strange indeed. I've never seen anything like this phenomena. Chemtrails are around all of these phenomena.
Quoting: bozz723
Doesn't sound like anything I ever worked on. But as a scientist, I would say that the sky you see is the sky that exists. But if I've learned anything over the years, it's that even scientists can be fooled.

Did the experiment on memory loss involve the neurotransmitters? Was it chemical as in pharmaceutical in nature?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5114133
Good questions. We were indeed trying to alter the behavior of neurotransmitter receptors (G protein-coupled receptors to be specific) for that project. But we were unable to achieve the desired result without jeopardizing the safety of the subject.

I spent 17 years developing various chemicals for Chemtrails - ask me almost anything.
A 'B.S.' you say?
as in Bull Shit?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4331879
Bachelor of Science. Not like I didn't hear that joke a million times throughout undergrad.

Versed creates amnesia as does other similarly classed pharmaceuticals. Was this the nature of the research in pharmaceuticals with mind altering states?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5114133
Are you referring to the drug Midazolam? All I know is that it's a somewhat controversial drug, but looking at it's chemical structure, I can say that it shares some reactive properties with chemicals developed for projects with the intent of altering state of mind.

Please elaborate. Brain chemistry interests me.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5114133
I'll try to summarize the project without getting too specific. We were looking at a specific family of G protein-coupled receptors only found in brain tissue. The headway we made was developing an inhibitor for a specific receptor in this family. This specific receptor is involved in creation and storage of new memories. By developing a compound that bound to the receptor and blocked the binding of the naturally created compound, we achieved mediocre success in the inhibition of creation and storage of new memories. But test mortality rates were too high, and the project was abandoned. One of the more interesting ones we ever got to work on, though.
Thanks. Thats what I was wondering about with the focus. I hear many people say they can't read past a few sentences in a book before they lose interest, lose concentration or get bored.
Also, when you say "calming" effect, is that the same as "lazy" effect? People seem way unmotivated/lazy too. Lol

Btw, I wouldve listened to you talk about work if you were my family member :)
Are you still a chemist?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6902029
In some cases, yes, "calming" went hand in hand with "lazy". In others, "calming" went along with the ability to keep focusing on a task and remain motivated.
And no, I don't really practice chemistry. I made enough to retire comfortably, and the only contact I have with the field is reading the occasional major paper that is published.

G protein-coupled receptors that signal Phosphatidylinositol would actually enhance cognition, wouldn't it? Were you targeting this pathway or the cAMP?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5114133
This particular project did not deal with the phospholipid you mentioned nor the cAMP pathway. I wish I could get into more specifics with you as it's clear you also have a background in either chemistry or biology (or both), but I really wouldn't feel safe getting into the specifics of the compounds, pathways, and receptors we were working on.
Hey everyone,
Thanks for the insightful questions and comments. It's getting late, and it's time for this old man to hit the sack. If I'm feeling up to it, I may revive this thread tomorrow night - there is a lot that didn't get touched on.
Have a good night, and remember to never stop asking questions.

OP, thanks for coming here to talk.
Do you think it is likely that many of the projects you were asked to work on during the 80s-early 2000s could have by now been figured out?
What really concerns me is that the idea (which means there is a motive and agenda behind it) EXISTS and someone wanted you guys to try and figure it out. Just because the technology was not there during your time, do you think there could be a good chance that it has been developed since?
I heard a rumour/conscpiracy that an agent was dispersed in the Middle East area over the past year to basically reduce the "God" particle in us. Many say this is what explains the numerous revolts we saw happen over the past year. Do you have any opinion on this?
Is there any way to sue the Government for knowingly affecting us without a choice in the matter? Do they not fear the response from other countries that may not want these chemicals polluting the water, and eventually food that may be exported to them?
You mentioned before that there should not be a harm if they applied these chemicals in the way that you guys advised. I am scared as after hearing about families being sprayed with Corexit, and the planes spraying along the shoreline when they were supposed to be a couple miles away from the shore, that these types of Chemicals you guys produced would have been purposefully released in away that was not recommended to achieve a quicker drastic result.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6982701
Wow, that's a lot of questions. I'll answer the ones that I can.
Projects that I worked on in my time that were unsuccessful: Yes, it is quite possible that with technological advances in the last decade, some things we were unable to accomplish have since been done.
An agent to reduce the "God" particle in us: If you are referring to the possible Higgs-Boson particle, then I think what you read is probably hogswash. Higgs-Boson particles do not even exist for more than a miniscule fraction of a second. And we know so little about them that any attempt to "reduce them in us" would be a joke. Remember that the term "God particle" was given to them by some idiot, and for some reason it stuck. The Higgs-Boson particle, if it does exist, has nothing to do with God. However, I won't rule out that the rash of revolutions in the Middle East were the result of a chemical agent. Not likely, but not impossible.
Sue the government? Good luck.
Although I don't like to think about it, I don't doubt that the people using the chemicals we developed might have occasionally used them differently than we recommended. I don't like to think about it. The people making the final decisions were likely bureaucrats looking for results - not scientists.

Hey OP,
Fascinating thread. Couple of questions if you please.
Were operating perimeters given for different 'cocktails' you created, ie did they tell you the delivery system or at what height and atmosphere it had to activate in.
Secondly, what materials do you put into cocktail to make it spread and hang in the same place for hours when other clouds are scurrying past.
Thanks in anticipation
Quoting: Rickster58
We only gave recommendations as far as delivery methods. We stressed that these recommendations were very important, but the final call was never ours.
As far as your second question, this is hard for us to control. This is where recommended delivery conditions come into play. A spread hanging in the same place for hours could be due to incorrect deployment.
Okay...

Let's assume that KMnO4 were brought into line by reaction with As2O3. As2O3 + MnO4(-) +H+ +H2O yields H3AsO4 + Mn(2+) NOT BALANCED
If a .1262g sample that is 97.72% As2O3 by mass had been used in the titration, how many milliliters of the .02140M KMnO4 would have been required?
Quoting: Kinect
I'd honestly have to bring out a textbook or use Wikipedia to aid in answering that. Everyone knows that a skill not used atrophies. My first job out of college, before I went to grad school, did not involve chemistry. Two years out of undergrad, I could not have answered this without a textbook. Now, over a decade out of retirement, I could not answer this without a textbook. Not ashamed to admit it.
OK,
Now I'm really going to sleep. Saw a few questions I wanted to answer that were posted before my "final" post. Good night all.
Hey all,
I'm back. The number of replies since last night is astounding. I'll have to leave in half an hour or so to eat dinner, but I've got some responses ready to questions that were asked during my absence that I'll post over the next ten minutes or so. I'll also try to hit a few more before dinner, and some after.
Never in my 17 years did we ever test compounds on humans. It was always rats, and in some cases where those tests proved inconclusive; pigs. If we had been testing compounds on humans, I would've quit the first day. That being said, I obviously was aware that these compounds would be used on humans, hopefully as directed. But we tested and developed them using lab rats, not humans.

Do chemtrails have anything to do with the increase of suicides?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4025607
No clue. I absolutely hope not. When testing on animals such as rats, it's tough to gauge if they become suicidal. It's a decidedly human state of mind. But we did keep hormones and pathways related to suicide in mind when developing chemicals. We never did any work involving these hormones or pathways.

Do you think that perhaps there's a more secret, more subtle level of covert research that caters to even more reckless interests?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7336714
I hope not. The idea that there might be people out there contracting work from other labs with more "reckless interests" in mind gives me chills.
spent 17 years developing various chemicals for Chemtrails - ask me almost anything.

And my question is - if you were looking for "calming" were there studies that you saw that proved or disproved your work in the lab was working?
Quoting: Turtle
If there were other labs doing research on chemtrail compounds (and I'm almost sure there were/are), they weren't publishing their work. Neither did we. So that was one downside - I couldn't read papers about exciting progresses in my field. I just had to keep up with major chemistry journals. As far as chemicals related to "calming", yes, I can say that the ones we developed were proven to work on rats, and in one case, pigs.

Any DNA manipulation?
This video shows a very interesting presentation that there are large traces of human red blood cells, something engineered to withstand the harshest conditions which is connected to morgellons.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1463944
Never in a permanent sense. I can remember a project that involved temporary blocking of certain transcription factors, but I never worked on anything that sought to manipulate DNA in a permanent sense. I've seen a couple people ask about red blood cells, and whether they were ever part of mixtures? The answer is no, not as part of anything I ever worked on. Not sure why someone would want to spray blood cells; they would only be able to enter your bloodstream through an open wound, and would almost certainly be immediately attacked by the body's immune system.
Also, I've seen a few people mention Morgellons disease. I literally know nothing about it; I've only heard of it in the past few years. I'll have to read a bit about it.

OP, do you have any idea if the gel-like material that sparkled in sunlight then disappeared was a malformation of chemtrail batter, trial like error maybe?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5612356
It sounds like you are referring to a specific event? Do you have a link/pictures? Sounds interesting but I've never heard of anything like it.

Question: If you could go back in time and do it all over again would you?
Quoting: Rybo
Hell of a question. Would I do it all again... No. For a scientist, nothing feels better than being on the cutting edge of research in a particular field. And the money was amazing. But when I think of what else I could have done with my degree, whether my talent was "wasted", for lack of a better word... No - I wouldn't do it agian.

What can I do to protect myself from these chemicals?
Quoting: seasidedaisy
I think I mentioned somewhere before that a mask that traps particles 0.1μm and smaller would help. That was a typo. I meant to say nanometers rather than μm. Some of these compounds were very small, and could really only be effectively blocked by a full face respirator (half-mask air-purifying respirators will not cut it, as they leave the eyes open). If I had to guess at other methods of avoiding these chemicals, I would say avoid living anywhere near moderate or large sized cities. This is just me hypothesizing, but I don't know why someone would spend millions of dollars developing chemical compounds so they could spray them over nearly unpopulated areas.

Are chemtrails going to cease eventually?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5612356
Sorry, I don't know the answer to that. But during my career, work was very steady. We had basically zero downtime.
GLP didn't seem to like how I used the µ character for 'micro'. Weird.

Can you tell me in great detail how to extract ergotamine tartrate from caffeine pills?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8282066
Not really my line of research, but if I had to guess I would think it involves separating the two on a silica gel plate or thin layer plate, using reflectance and/or fluorescence methods looking for expected wavelengths. We didn't do a lot of stuff like this though; nearly any ingredient we wished to experiment with was provided to us in pure (or very close to) form.

Are you a chemtrail watcher now?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5612356
No. I try not to dwell on the past, or the present for that matter. Also, it's nearly impossible to discern a chemtrailing plane from a natural contrail. Not impossible though.
There are days when I look at the sky and watch it being sprayed to a muddy mess and I become... infuriated. Do you not feel this way yourself, OP? We moved out of a big city to get away from it, but they are even spraying the rural communities halfway across America. I have also seen it in Europe.

As far as the general public being completely oblivious, even when you point out and explain the chemtrails to them, do you think this is partially a result of the "calming" chemicals?
Finally, do you have any suggestions as to what we can do to put an end to this monstrosity?
Thank you.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1329586
One important thing to realize is that not every contrail you see is a chemtrail. The two are very different. There exist natural atmospheric conditions that promote natural contrail creation. It is when a plane produces a contrail without such conditions that you know something is wrong. If you really are living in a rural area, it's likely that most contrails you see are just that - contrails. But this is just speculation on my part. I don't know why any person/group would spend millions of dollars developing a compound just to dump it on an extremely sparsely populated area.
I stopped trying to point out chemtrails to the "general public" (really only ever tried to explain to my family) a long time ago. It's a losing battle - people believe what they want to believe. This might be a result of a calmative agent. No way of knowing - the human brain is amazing at ignoring something that is right in front of its eyes, even without a calmative helping out.
Suggestions on ending the monstrosity? Unless you are brave enough and capable of bringing solid proof to a media outlet, I'd say nothing. And it seems to be a widespread belief on GLP that mainstream media doesn't do jack shit. If that really is true, then the battle is all but over.

Oh no OP, sorry, I was beginning to believe you until you said this.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5612356
Do you honestly think that every contrail you see holds a nefarious purpose? Sorry, but that's just not the case. There is plenty of solid research into physics and meteorology that proves contrails can form naturally. Like I said before, it's when contrails form without the proper atmospheric conditions that you know something is wrong.

Did you ever work with any material that would interact directly with vesicles containing seratonin?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8282066
Yes. Seratonin is one of the most powerful chemicals our body produces. Obviously, we had more than one contractor interested in harnessing and sometimes abusing that power.

How were you hired? We're you recruited in grad school, undergrad school? Or later in the private sector?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6391052
After graduating with a bachelors in Chemistry, I found a job working as a lab technician in a publicly funded laboratory doing normal research. Six years later and no promotion, I had saved enough to go to grad school (with the help of loans). Ended up getting a PhD in Biochemistry. Less than a week after graduating, I was approached by a man who gave me a business card and asked me to call him if I was interested in using my degree. I was, so I called him. A year after starting, my student loans were paid off.

No, of course every contrail is not a chemtrail, but definitly a watcher can differentiate the 2 trails.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8291961
I didn't say it was impossible. This reminds me of something I've seen before on GLP though - the belief that a contrail that quickly dissipates and disappears is a natural contrail, and anything that lingers and spreads is a chemtrail. This is not true. I worked on compounds that were specially designed to disappear within minutes of deployment. I also worked on mixtures that, to achieve their desired effect, were unable to dissipate in such a short time span. Natural contrails can behave either way. So can chemtrails.

Was the goal of the chemicals you used ever to facilitate or enhance the perception of ULF/microwaves/sound or possibly visual perception in the population?
What were the goals you were asked to accomplish regarding chemical cocktails? Were they to facilitate something else in the environment?
We would like more information regarding specifics please.
Thank You.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1497040
Facilitate/enchance perception of ULF/microwaves/sound or visual perception - Facilitate, no. Impede/Impair, yes, for a couple of projects.
I've mentioned overall goals of our various research projects earlier in the thread - you can probably find them on the first page.
Sorry about the lack of real specifics, but I really shouldn't be doing this type of thing in the first place. Lack of specifics is for my own safety.
What? Not every contrail is a chemtrail. Some contrails are natural contrails facilitated by certain atmospheric conditions. Some contrails are actually chemtrails. I don't see where you find problem with this logic.

Oh, thanks for clearing this up, so sometimes we don't know what we are getting sprayed on us. Why chemtrails at night?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8291961
Lower temperatures and less people watching are a couple I can think of. Especially when a mixture would, under sunlight, appear as anything other than white/gray.
Dinner time. I'll try to answer any questions that are posted when I get back. Great questions so far tonight, it's really nice to see there is some genuine interest.
Back from dinner. I'll look back for any questions I missed.

what is the one thing that they wanted most, but you and your team were unable to accomplish?
do any of the compounds you worked on have synergistic effects when combined with prescription pills, or other additives in water/food?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1311324
As far as something a contractor wanted most but we were unable to accomplish without fatal side effects was the short term memory loss project. Made some headway, but was never safe for use. Project scrapped.

It's possible that some things we created interact with prescription/over the counter drugs. When testing compounds, we checked for side effects with most major over the counter and prescription drugs (acetaminophen, ibuprofen, etc.). But there was no possible way for us to test interactions with every drug on the market.

for example on clothing, skin after being near rivers?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3578829
I'm not really sure what you're referring to. Skin after being near rivers sounds like water - water can refract the entire spectrum of colors. If they really are nano sized, they wouldn't be showing up in a standard quality camera picture.

If this jibberish is really a formula then I think he's just seeing if OP is legitimate or not.
Quoting: Hollyann
No, it's a legit chemistry equation. Something that would have been on a test during undergrad. Unfortunately chemistry is one of those skills that atrophies when you don't keep it exercised. It's embarrassing, but being retired for over a decade I would need to consult a textbook to answer it. Basic knowledge is something you retain; specific formulas and reaction methods, not so much.

Are you sorry for the part you played in this?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8294852
Answered earlier in the thread. Yes, in retrospect, I regret what I did for a living. But I've learned to come to terms with it.

OP, refresh my memory, why are we being sprayed with these chemtrails? Is it to block Nibiru? Or just to make people more stupid?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8293540
A multitude of reasons. I answered this to some extent on the first or second page.

To determine the effects would require human subjects since biochemical properites in rats don't translate to humans. However, legally this cannot be done without approval from the FDA, although H1N1 vaccines, which violated the FDA standards as proved in Gary Null et al, v. U.S. Food and Drug Administration, et al Case 1:09-cv-01924-RBW, eventually become legal without standardized testing. Therefore, my question is this: what statistical analysis does it provide to manipulate the G protein in rat brains in determining human outcomes in short-term memory deficits and learning potentials and retention? By the way, I'm glad you are back on board.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5114133
For this project we were discussing earlier, when it became clear that the chemicals being developed were eventually fatal to nearly all the test animals, despite numerous tweaks and alterations to the compounds, the project was scrapped. It never even progressed to swine testing.

Also, not to go off topic but. . .Whats about to happen? I've been searching the net on info about 2012 since about 1995 and I am still undecided with all the disinfo out there it has me nothing but confused.
Please answer and thanks if you do.
Quoting: Hollyann
Sorry, Mayan mythology isn't really my specialty. I wouldn't want to speculate on something I know nothing about.

Used as a biochemical agent it would also make sense in areas of large populations. You indicated the goal was to manipulate certain behaviors. In your opinion, does this tie in with the NWO agenda?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5114133
Sorry, don't really know anything about the NWO or what it's agenda is.

They want you to think they are all science and no faith.
Dry politics with no spirituality but thats not the truth, They are the most religious people I know, If I gave names youd recognize them, I was invited to all the sacred sites, they are my friends.
Quoting: Apollo Illuminaughty
Hello,

I've seen a few of your posts, and I'm not really sure how they tie into the thread topic. Don't get me wrong, I love the occasional tangent in life, but I'd like to keep the discussion on topic. Thanks!

I Think NIBIRU was the key word here. . .Have you ever heard of using these for blocking out such a thing or were was it only the mind altering aspect that you worked on? . . . I know you touched on this previously and said whetever we see in the sky is basically the real thing but thought I'd ask just in case.
Quoting: Hollyann
I've only seen Nibiru mentioned on GLP before, and from what I understand, people believe it to be a planet that is hidden in our own solar system? (Sorry if this is incorrect, I'm sadly uninformed about most other conspiracy theories other than the one I was involved in). If that is the case, I suppose a LTMPA (long term memory prevention agent) could aid in getting people to forget something that is in front of their own eyes. However, something like that would have to be sprayed over the entire planet. Or at least every town with an amateur astrologist. Anyways, LTMPAs were something of a joke around our lab. We never worked on anything like one, and generally just joked with one another as to when would be asked to do so. Never were.

As far as chemicals that block out the "true sky", I did touch on this earlier, and said that I figured it to be impossible. I stand by that. We never worked on anything of the sort, and if we had been asked to, I literally would not have known where to start. As mentioned before, that would literally involve spraying the entire planet. Constantly.

I Think NIBIRU was the key word here. . .Have you ever heard of using these for blocking out such a thing or were was it only the mind altering aspect that you worked on? . . . I know you touched on this previously and said whetever we see in the sky is basically the real thing but thought I'd ask just in case.
Quoting: Hollyann
I've only seen Nibiru mentioned on GLP before, and from what I understand, people believe it to be a planet that is hidden in our own solar system? (Sorry if this is incorrect, I'm sadly uninformed about most other conspiracy theories other than the one I was involved in). If that is the case, I suppose a LTMPA (long term memory prevention agent) could aid in getting people to forget something that is in front of their own eyes. However, something like that would have to be sprayed over the entire planet. Or at least every town with an amateur astrologist. Anyways, LTMPAs were something of a joke around our lab. We never worked on anything like one, and generally just joked with one another as to when would be asked to do so. Never were.
As far as chemicals that block out the "true sky", I did touch on this earlier, and said that I figured it to be impossible. I stand by that. We never worked on anything of the sort, and if we had been asked to, I literally would not have known where to start. As mentioned before, that would literally involve spraying the entire planet. Constantly.

Its coming from the skies, direct, yes.
And the Zetas aided in Project Paperclip. Reverse engineering after we hired the German Engineers to Lockheed and Martin Marietta.
Quoting: Apollo Illuminaughty

Hello,
Would you mind starting a new thread for your discussions? I'm having trouble keeping up with what you are talking about, but I think it's gotten pretty far away from chemtrails. I'd like to keep this thread relatively uncluttered for people who actually have questions about my field of research. Thanks!

Perhaps you should spend some time looking into this since your very livleyhood depends on if they succeed or not.
Quoting: Hollyann
I'll put it on my to-do list to read up on the subject.

Are you not concerned for yourself or your own family's health and what the spraying is doing to them?
Quoting: Madame X
Was married, not anymore. No kids. I tried a few times to explain it to the rest of my immediate family, but like I said before, I'm seen as the goofy bearded 'mad scientist' of the family. It's possible the reason I made this thread is out of concern I feel for the rest of the planet.

Since you and your research team expected to be asked to prevent the storage of LTM, why do you think this was so? This has many implications, none being positive for humanity as a whole.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5114133
Why did we expect to be asked to do it at some point? It was sort of a joke...ever since working on the failed short term memory loss project, we joked around wondering when we would be asked to attempt long term memory loss. But the request never came. We never got around to speculating what the intent would be, if we were ever asked to do it.

I can give you the legal names and departments of everyone I know and youve mentioned nothing that they know as truth.
Quoting: Apollo Illuminaughty
That's wonderful. I'm glad you are willing to rat out the people you know that easily. Hell, I feel like a good ol' fashioned revival has sprung up in my living room, and the preacher is just ignoring me. Fine, keep posting in this thread. I'll just focus on reading and answering people who are looking for truth, not your psuedo-spiritually inspired jargon.
Thanks for being honest, any suggestions on how to put a stop to it.

Interesting thread, thanks for posting it, op!
Quoting: Madame X
I think I touched on this to a small extent earlier. As far as putting a stop to it, you'd have to be brave enough to provide solid proof of spraying activities (including specific chemical compounds and the research documenting their effects) to a major media outlet. And that's under the bold assumption that not all major media outlets are under governmental control. Assuming they are, I don't really know what can be done to stop it. At that point, it's up to you to avoid it, and convince your family to do the same. My recommendation would be to get as far away from population centers as possible (not just major cities - any population center).

It would only make sense scientifically to move to LTM if STM inhibition wasn’t successful. Often jokes are situated in some underlying knowledge.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5114133
Ah, I see what you mean. Yes, I'm sure that I wasn't the only one on our team who wondered why we were never asked to work on long term memory. In retrospect, I wouldn't be surprised if both were contracted out to a different lab, after our failure to achieve desirable short term memory results.

And did these contractors have the intention of blocking the seratonin from entering the synapse or eliminating the vesicles completely and what did you use to get through that blood brain barrier?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8282066
Ah sorry, missed that one from earlier. Like I said, we worked on a number of projects involving Serotonin in different manners. Some involved overloading receptors, some involved inhibiting them slightly, some involved inhibiting them completely. There is actually a whole family of Serotonin receptors, and usually we were targeting only one that is only expressed in certain areas of the brain. I can't think of any projects where we attempted to eliminate the creation of synaptic vesicles completely. As far as crossing the blood brain barrier, osmosis was generally our friend. We also did some research into developing liposomes filled with our developed chemicals. Very interesting avenue of research. But generally osmosis when possible, or endogenous transport systems when osmosis wasn't an option

This landmark GLP thread from 2012 has been edited and formatted for easy readability.
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The regular text queries are from our own preeminent GLP members, the bold text are the responses from the Chemtrail chemicals chemist OP.

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 6323246
I spent 17 years developing various chemicals for Chemtrails - ask me almost anything.
Can't tell you the name of my employers. Nor can I tell you the exact chemical compositions of the mixtures I helped developed. I can answer almost everything else.



OP, don't mind the resident Megalomaniac.
Question for you, do these chemicals have a bio accumulation? Do they go into small organisms and work the way up the food chain to us eventually or do they disappear after time?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6982701
Thanks for the support. I guess I feel a little bad that I don't know more about the common discussion topics around GLP other than chemtrails. But it does get annoying when someone hijacks your thread and starts spouting nonsense that has absolutely nothing to do with what I'm trying to discuss.
You brought up an excellent question. Yes, some of our chemicals were designed to linger in the environment. Some up to a year, irregardless of subsequent weather. And in one case, we were asked to design a compound that would accumulate and move up through the food chain, although humans were not the end target organism. I can't tell you the specific animal, but I can say that the target organisms in the food chain were not mammals.


What would be a good way to avoid inhaling or coming in contact with these chemtrails. I mean were you exposed, or how do you protect yourself.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5777459
Sorry, I think I've answered this in the thread a few times, so I'll be brief. Surefire way is a full-face respirator. Do not skimp - money buys quality. If not that, than a half-mask air-purifying respirators. But you can't conceivably wear one of these in public without getting looks. If you think heavy chemtrailing is occurring, stay indoors and elevate your indoor air pressure so that air is leaving your house rather than coming in. Even better would be moving away from population centers altogether.

That makes sense. In this business, the left hand never knows what the right hand is doing. Only those on top are aware. But you sensed it. Now the question is, what is their agenda? Obviously, you have some concerns over populated areas. Why?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5114133
Really can't speculate as to our contractor's agendas past what they asked us to do as far as the effects of the compounds. The reason I have concerns over populated areas is the amount of money. There is a LOT of money in what we did. Not just the R&D, but the production of the final result on a large scale. The sheer expenses required would make it all but ridiculous to spray on areas that aren't heavily populated.

OP, did you ever develop any products capable of irradicating such an offensive oder like the kind reeking off of this douche-bag?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8282066
I would never, NEVER want to bring harm to someone who gets phone calls from Oprah Winfrey!
When it comes to psychiatric disorders, all neurotransmitters are being manipulated in trials to obtain desired results. This has been occurring in medical research for a long time. The anti-depressant Serotonin would only achieve the desired results of mood stabilizing qualities.

This isn’t what I believe OP is discussing when he (or she) references G protein on STM inhibition. So my question still stands--for what purpose?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5114133
I'm not sure if you're asking me what the possible purpose of our short term memory research was, or if you are throwing the question out to the rest of the readers. I really have no idea; it's such a broad tool that could be used in endless ways. The fact that we never succeeded makes it harder to know a true purpose. If we had made it farther through trials, our contractors might have started asking us to make the compound perform in more specific manners.

Were the chemicals designed to target the sex of the population?
Change the sex? Lower sperm count?
What about hallucinogens? Were those used?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1497040
There was a project or two that was meant to only target a specific gender. Very weird projects, seemed like true 'mad scientist' stuff and none of us could believe we were really getting paid to do such research.
Never experimented with gender alteration, nor sperm counts. There was a project for a very, very mild hallucinogen. Not even seeing real things, just slightly modifying messages coming from the optic nerves.

I sense that your gut reaction is telling you the purpose was something sinister. Something if you actually knew, you wouldn't want to believe.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5114133
Well hell, pretty much everything we worked on was sinister on varying levels. We were never asked to develop chemicals that would make children happy and smart and cure cancer. (Sorry, I am terrible at sarcasm). But no, none of us at the lab thought we were doing anything truly good. We probably all just reconciled by believing that there wouldn't be anyone so evil in the world to use them for the purposes we feared they would.

I was tying in the research of STM inhibition with Chemtrails. Are Chemtrails only for weather modification?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5114133
Absolutely not. If I had to try to apply numbers, I would say 60% of our projects were intended to elicit a reaction in mammals (read: humans). 30% involved weather modification. The remaining 10% fell into a broad "miscellaneous" category involving target animals other than mammals, environmental effects, etc.

So Bees for $1000? Did I win?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6982701
I really hope Monsanto never contracted us. They certainly have the money. I can see why Monsanto would like to eliminate bees (natural pollenators? how dare they, when Monsanto could charge people money to do the same thing), but the project I mentioned was not intended to affect insects, although insects were a rung in the ladder of the target food chain.

Those purposes being?
Quoting: Possum
I think I touched on most of the general purposes/goals of our various research projects on the first and second page of this thread. Sorry, I'm having trouble keeping up with all the questions. If you can't find what you're looking for on the first or second page of the thread, feel free to post again and I'll try to give you a better answer.


Unfortunately, history reveals the worse of your fears. So what is your intuition telling you about being in large population areas?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5114133
My intuition tells me that large population areas are the ones receiving the heaviest dosage of these sorts of chemicals. It would just be more cost effective. I'm not saying middle-of-nowhere ruralville isn't being sprayed, but if it is, someone is paying a LOT of money for a very low level of cost-effectiveness.

Do you think the "calming agents" are the cause of chronic fatigue syndrome?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1015504
Don't know much about CFS, but from what I've read, it's quite possible.

Don't know much about CFS, but from what I've read, it's quite possible.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6323246
I meant to add that some of the symptoms are eerily similar to what we saw in trial animals.


That's what I thought...behavioral control. But why? For what agenda?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5114133
I'm sorry, but any speculations I could try to make on our contractor's agendas would be just that - weak speculations. There are so many different reasons a person or group of individuals would want to control behavior, it's literally impossible for me to try to identify a single scenario that I thought had a better chance of being true than other possible scenarios. I realize it's kind of a cop-out answer, but I'm trying not to stray too far from what I know.


Yours hands are now washed, go to sleep and don,t blame yourself u were mind fuck like the rest of us money greedy fucks, hey it is their system, we are only meat puppets for their enjoyment, have a nice day.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7457916
I'm glad you have been able to live your entire life with absolutely zero regrets. Must be nice.


You already stated this, but I'm looking for more depth in the answer to the question. Dosing large population areas only makes economic sense. But the rationale behind the chemical exposure is what I'm getting at. What was the agenda of the employers? Knowing the chemical configuration, you must have a thesis.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5114133
hypothesis...
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5114133
I'll make an attempt at a guess, but let's make sure we are on the same page - are we still talking about the failed short term memory prevention project?

This is an excellent thread thanks OP, The iridescent colors that come from the chemtrails would you have any idea on that, it looks like to me the same thing when they sprayed agent orange, thanks.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8221659
As far as iridescent colors, those are probably an unintended side effect of sunlight refracting off some interesting compounds. We did develop some mixtures that, in aerosol form, were not your typical grey/white...I always assumed these were used at night.


I'll make an attempt at a guess, but let's make sure we are on the same page - are we still talking about the failed short term memory prevention project?
That and Chemtrails...
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5114133
Chemtrails are too broad. Asking me to guess at the agenda behind chemtrails is like asking me to guess at the overlying message of all of Shakespeare's plays (bad analogy?). But as far as the short term memory project, I'll throw out a scenario.
Say there was a town. Say something bad happened to this town. Say this bad thing that happened to this town was not natural...perhaps an accident. Something that didn't happen the way it was supposed to. And this thing that happened, could maybe be passed off as a natural event...if you could just get the people of the town to believe. Spray something that impairs formation of short term memories. Convince them of your altered truth. Problem solved?

You've mentioned that your chemical cocktails would be nontoxic if delivered as indicated... what would the margin of error be if they didn't follow your directions? i.e. how easy would it have been for them to take something fairly 'safe' from you and use it in a sinister way?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1311324
There are chemicals we developed that, if used in a drastically different manner that we directed, would be fatal. I don't like saying this. But I know that my supervisory was on our side when dealing with contractors, as far as being adamant about methods of deployment. And I haven't seen any entire towns dropping dead in the news, so I feel like most contractors followed our instructions, at least to some extent.

How are you supposed to generate positive air pressure in your house without drawing air from the outside first? Will hepa filters on the intake vents work?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7495843
Not really sure...it just seemed like a good idea when I wrote it. Although if your AC unit draws outside air contains a HEPA filter, that will block a fair amount of the sort of things we developed.

How do you know? Maybe you succeeded but were made to forget. Only half joking.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7495843
Maybe we succeeded, and they used our own chemicals against our lab! Made us think we had failed...only half joking.


How long do you think the use of chemical agents on the population has been going on? Do you think big pharma has a alot to do with this?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5452313
Ahh hell I think I answered this somewhere in the first few pages. Quick summary - it didn't take long after the dawn of modern chemistry, coupled with modern flight, for people with money to realize that chemicals could be used for less than positive purposes.
As far as big pharma, I really have no idea. Never knew who any of our contractors were, just that they had deep pockets. So possibly.

Actually, Shakespeare is an excellent analogy (and I love his plays). Your scenario makes sense. Could it be used more broadly in Chemtrails?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5114133
I suppose a calmative agent could be used towards the same scenario, but not anywhere near as effectively...people would still know the truth as to what had really happened, but with certain chemicals, just not care.

From what i've researched, chemtrails are for weather modification, sky-based communication conduits, and of course affecting the life below in various ways. you probably didn't work too much on the aluminum salt based ones, which function as tiny interferometers for electromagnetic waves to either bounce off of or through.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1311324
I do think it's funny that he keeps telling us he's leaving, but keeps coming back to post. He must be really bored.
It's more than possible that the bird die-offs were results of chemical spraying. However, the most recent ones happened long after I retired, so I can only guess. But we never tested our chemicals on birds. Also, they receive higher doses, being closer to the source.
I haven't watched any Youtube videos on the subject matter, and I don't really intend to. Mainly because I don't really want to learn anything more about the past I was involved in. I know what I know about the subject matter, and have no desire to learn anymore. They say ignorance is bliss, but I am far from ignorant on the matter.

So you were not directly working for a government?
Is it possible the bankers who control the money supply also controlled your research, given that they literally can print up money for whatever they want?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7495843
I don't know. Never knew a single thing about our contractors, other than what they wanted from our lab. And that they had plenty of money to throw around. Although, given the amounts of money they were indeed throwing around, I find it hard believe that all of it was printed just for that purpose - such an act would have to have noticeably affected inflation. But I'm not an economist.

What do you personally do to protect yourself?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7495843
I wish I could say I live off the grid, but that's obviously not true - I'm clearly posting on the internet. However, I do pay a fair amount extra to get internet out here. I live in a four room cabin a fair distance from any major town. Groceries? Drive nearly 90 miles to a town of about 700 people. But part of that is just because I love the outdoors. The other part is that I can't stand the city. Hell, I don't even know if my AC unit has a HEPA filter. Apparently my vacuum cleaner does. But where I live, I'm not too worried about it.


Would air filters in the house help remove the chemicals?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1015504
Depends on the smallest size of particle they are capable of filtering. There's a huge difference between micrometers and nanometers.


The US is over $15 trillion in debt. Would the expense of your research compare to that?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7495843
No, absolutely not. I can't say for sure if our "grants" ever totaled in the billions in a given year, but certainly not trillions.

They spray hawaii and the grand canyon, out in the middle of nowhere. Maybe you're actually still in the denial stage like everyone else?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7495843
Hawaii is a population center, and an isolated one at that. A major tourist location, as well as a specific indigenous population.

The Grand Canyon is also a major tourist location. I already see one thing these two locations have in common. I would wager that my lonely neck of the woods is a major tourist location.
Northern Hemisphere?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5114133
Yes. The GLP flag icon under my "anonymous coward" number is surprisingly accurate.


Grant money is usually government--not always. Years ago, it was not this way.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5114133
That's why I put "grants" in quotations - it was almost never referred to as a grant. It was more like money that appeared with instructions for us.

I was Wondering about the cumulative effects of some of the used compounds...
Whether they had long term study, and the possible effects.
Cheers.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1273422
Well, 95% of our testing was on rats. The other 5% pigs, and only in special cases. The short life cycle of rats allowed us to infer things about long term effects of most of our compounds. As stated before, preservation of human life was always a primary concern of our lab. So we never gave the OK to any compounds that looked as though they would have long term detrimental effects on humans, based on our animal testing.

Northern US? Mountains? Farmland?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5114133
Getting a little too specific for my tastes. I am surrounded by trees. The terrain is not flat.

I was indirectly asking with weather modifications, where are safer locations from the effects of Chemtrails?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5114133
Ohhh I'm an idiot. I thought you were asking about my whereabouts. Although the two questions are pretty similar - it's not an accident that I ended up living where I do. See my above post for what is hopefully the answer to your question. Trees naturally filter chemicals and toxins from the air. Mountains impede and disrupt natural air currents. Running water is also good as a chemical sink, but don't get your drinking water from it. Use a well - the deeper the better.

What do you suppose they would have done if you had refused to let them search your house when you retired?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7495843
Refusal wasn't an option.

Think about it.
Quoting: Apollo Illuminaughty
Hey, as long as your posts are on topic, I more than encourage your input. Interesting theory about Hawaii. If they aren't actually spraying there, maybe they want us to think they are. That's all outside of what I feel comfortable speculating about though.

Do trees add a barrier of protection from Chemtrails whereby flat lands increase their effectiveness? (Side question: What is your favorite Shakespeare play?)
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5114133
Probably Julius Caesar. Yours?
I don't know where the planes take off or land from, nor who operates them. Although I would guess that they can't all be military planes. I am pretty sure that many commercial pilots are spraying without even knowing it - the less people that know, the better.
I love living in the woods. Always have, but having a job sometimes doesn't permit it. Now that I'm retired, I'm free to do what I want.
No, it is not wrong to assume I lived in a populated area when I was employed. Not a major metropolitan area, but not a small town either. Although our lab was on the very outskirts of town.
I did notice a different frame of mind after moving from the city to the woods. Not only when I made the final move...even just visiting the woods. I don't know if it's a result of a lack of wi-fi, cell towers, etc. But it's heaven on Earth. I am probably in just as good of physical shape as when I retired, but I work outdoors nearly every day now...not the case when I was employed.
The people who made it clear that refusal wasn't an option weren't a part of our lab. I have no clue who they worked for. I put in my four weeks notice. The next day, two men in suits were in our lab. Just watching us. They were there every day, before I got there in the morning and before I left at the end of the day, every day for those last four weeks of my job. Extremely observant. On my final day, they informed me that they would need all of my work possessions, and that they would need to search my house. They made it very clear that I did not want to know what would happen if I refused. I knew I had nothing to hide, so I agreed.
I have made large (anonymous) donations to various charities since retirement. Not that it even comes close to atonement for what I have done, in my eyes. I pray that they stop spraying over Hawaii. It was a beautiful and untouched paradise before man brought invasive species, followed by terrible chemicals.
Yes, it's kind of scary - we were paid for our research. If said research was, in the end, unsuccessful, all of our lab notebooks, results, evidence, remaining compounds became property of the contractor. The lab was basically wiped clean following a successful or unsuccessful project. None of the progress nor results belong to us.
By physical, do you mean real...as in tangible jets? Or by physical do you mean commercial jets. I honestly don't think it's feasible to keep every square inch of even the entire USA covered all the time, much less the entire planet. I've heard that some spy drones can stay in the air for 2-4 days at a time, but that's carrying zero payload. These chemical payloads are not weightless.
You're second question is getting a little outside my realm of things, suggesting that our contractors don't breath our air and are from "somewhere" else. Sorry. However, I wouldn't be surprised if our contractors had some method of avoiding the very chemicals they were contracting us to develop. But I do believe that they are "of this world".

Happy to hear you are staying healthy.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6982701
I hunt, fish, gather. I know this could bring me in contact with chemicals, but like I said, I don't really feel any fear of those given where I live. When I shop at the grocery store, I avoid anything with more than seven ingredients. I don't buy it if I don't recognize an ingredient, but that may just be the chemist in me.
Please, everyone, stop insulting this Apollo fellow. This will only keep bringing him back to this thread. Let's try to keep this a civil discussion.

on topic: how many people that you worked with randomly disappeared over the years?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7902399
None. Ours was a small lab - never more than 10 full time employees. Well, shit. Now that you mention it, there was a kid. Our lab didn't hire often. As in, every 25 years often. They liked to keep two batches of employees - young and old. When I started, I started along with four other kids in their late twenties/early thirties. The rest of the researchers were in their mid forties. They were our mentors. Anyways, when the group I started with was getting into our forties, they hired the next batch of young kids fresh out of grad school. One of them was a real cocky guy. Thought he knew everything about chemistry; had no interest in learning from us older fellows. Felt we had nothing to learn. From what I remember, he had a real problem with alcohol. Going out to bars, getting drunk, getting into fights, coming into work with a black eye. Anyway, he stopped coming into work one day. Supervisors said he quit. We didn't ask any questions, nor did we try to contact him. That's just how it was.
My question was why would they HEAVILY spray their TOP BRASS cities that are mostly military, professors and civilian workers
One city I have in mind ranks as the most chemtrailed city in the USA and its the most populous University, Government Employee, and Soldier population in the USA. They are not holed up but have housing residences inside and outside the city

Appreciate if you answer my question please, cause you said youd answer questions pertaining to subject,
Goodnite.
Quoting: Apollo Illuminaughty
I've stated before that I have absolutely no idea as to who my contractors were, nor their end intentions. I can only speculate, and, if you've been reading my answers, you'd know that I don't like to speculate about that which I don't know anything about.
I think it's human nature. You'd be better off asking an anthropologist. But from what I've seen, humans love to control.
That reminds me of a funny story. Contractor came to our lab - wanted us to develop a chemical that would coat the ground, be ingested by earthworms so that they would dig down and get into people's well water. We worked on this for a few weeks before one of my lab mates pointed out that earthworms never dig more than 30 feet, and therefore were completely incapable of getting into well water. We spent a few more weeks on the project to make a little more money, informed our contractor of our scientific discovery pertaining to the burrowing depth of the common earthworm, and the project was scrapped.
Sometimes the people who want the most control are also the dumbest.

If you were legit, then you'd be pushing up daisies. But since you are a disinfo piece 'o shit shill, you've got nothing to worry about.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8278017
Sure. You don't think that, with the money I made during my career, I would have taken some precautions as to my own safety? You'd have to be an idiot to think that I retired, moved, and just started twiddling my thumbs.
Hey all,
Time for me to hit the sack. I'm not going to lie, it has felt really good getting some of this off my chest. Not having been able to tell anyone for decades. Which means I might be back tomorrow night. So if you have more questions, either post them or save them for tomorrow night - I will try my best to come back. Thanks for everything.

Hey all,
Wow...never expected this many posts. Pretty amazing. I'll try to hit some questions that have been posted since last night as well as some new ones before I hit the hay tonight. Glad to see there is interest.
Also , can you target just mosquitoes , with no higher food chain effect ?
Quoting: Foresight
I don't see why not. One would just need to test said chemicals on mosquito's predators (and their predators, and so on) to ensure that they would not experience any ill effects. But that's just the food chain. Mosquitos like to bite a wide variety of organisms, which greatly increases the number of species that could come in contact with said chemical.
Were any of the chemical agents designed to produce effects that made people:
a little confused
more suggestable/programmable
more fearful
more sociopathic
more hungry
depressed
angry
stressed
paranoid
materialistic
violent

Just wondering how much chemtrails can be pinned on some of the above traits that seem to be increasing in modern society.
Quoting: TruthSeeker 2137019
We worked on multiple projects involving most of the effects you listed. The ones that don't have anything to do with projects we worked on would be "sociopathic", "materialistic", "paranoid", "hungry", and "violent". Those also seem like the five that would be hardest to elicit using chemical compounds.

Yes, I found that rather odd as well. Also if OP retired a decade ago and worked on chemtrails for 17 years , let's see, chemtrails started being sprayed in or around 1985..
Op is this correct?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8314968
No. Hell, crop dusting was routine by the end of the 1920s. Aerial application of chemicals, at least in a legal and transparent sense, has been going on for nearly a century. My guess is that it didn't take very long for powerful people to realize that such tactics could just as easily be used on humans instead of plants.

You mention something about some chemtrails being the target of gender, was that for male or female? And why?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8343782
This was one of the first projects I worked on, in my first year of employment. Our goal was to decrease male sex drive without affecting that of women. I found this odd, because at the time there were known chemicals that inhibited the male libido. Developing an aerially dispersed solution was where we came in.

OP, did you develope chemicals or mix chemicals? there is a difference.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8328599
Both. Generally, we developed a single chemical or small handful of chemicals for a certain purpose. We then had to go about preparing them to be dispersed in an aerial manner. This involved mixing with other, inert chemicals.
The project involving creating symptoms that comes to mind involved reproducing flu-like symptoms that would not persist for longer than a week.

LOL Op that one is funny...
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8343782
In a twisted way, I suppose it is.

Thanks again for both your thread, and your patience for dealing with the off-topic posters.
Quoting: nexuseditor
Interesting, I've never heard of Barium being used for the purpose of enhancing absorption through the skin. As per your question, no, we generally avoided any attempts to "amplify" or "enhance" absorption of our chemicals. This is generally a dangerous practice, and can have varying and drastically unintended consequences. Especially on the young, old, and those with certain types of immunodeficiency.


Well, so you have no idea why, was it to do with male rage or something?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8343782
No idea what our contractors were interested in accomplishing by this.

Sometimes it seems that women in populated areas are hitting their 'hot flushes' (they call them 'power surges') in their thirties instead of their forties.
Just curious.
Quoting: nexuseditor
No, never worked on anything involving menopause. My guess is these changes (if they are indeed occurring) could just as easily have a societal influence as much as an environmental one. But that's pretty far outside the realm of my specialization.

Why spray in the daylight? Secret shit is best done under the cover of darkness.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2681607
Good question. It does seem somewhat counterproductive, but I do remember one project where the compound had to be sufficiently activated by UV rays for it to have its desired effect.

"The penetration enhancers, such as propylene glycol, glycerine, dimethyl sulphoxide and ethanol (alcohol), also modify the nature of the stratum corneum membrane, even to a permanent extent."
cheers
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6323246
That makes more sense. Not sure where that paragraph is from, but it supports my previous statement - such "enhancers" can have permanent effects on the stratum corneum (cornified/outer layer of the skin). That poses way too much of a risk to use in ADC mixtures. The outer layer of skin is actually the least of your worries when using such chemicals in an attempt to enhance effects of your primary compounds. However, the "penetration enhancers" you listed are pretty tame compared to some chemicals we used in animal trials in the lab. In fact, more than one of those can be found in standard skin lotion.

One pharmacist I know says the best rule of thumb is: don't put anything on your skin on a regular basis, that you could eat or drink safely.
Quoting: nexuseditor
Continual use of most common hand lotions will actually cause the skin top stop producing its own natural oils and moisturizers. Your skin basically becomes dependent on the lotion to keep it moisturized. If you stop using it, your skin will be worse off than it was when you started. Fun little off-topic tangent.

I'm guessing that the contractors must have had some sort of access to the health records of hospitals and doctors in the areas being targeted in order to arrive at a conclusion or not?
Quoting: nexuseditor
That all happened way beyond my involvement in what we called the "chemical chain". We produced the chemical mixtures according to our contractor's desired effects, advised our contractors on how to properly use them for safest and most effective results, and then proceeded to hand everything over that was involved in the project. Notebooks, reagents, leftover waste, and in some cases, all equipment.
It's certainly possible that some chemicals we developed which had the desired effects on rats and/or pigs did not have the same desired effect on humans. I suppose our contractor would not call these cases a success. I don't know, we never got feedback on our work.

Typed in "Chemtrails at night"...yep that was it, the trail I saw. ( then chemtrials debunked ) Crazy wierd I hit all the websites...and I thought I was crazy...anything from " completly normal....nothing to see here..) to ( death and destruction & hiding planets)popped up. I personally can see changes in the contrails left behind & the patterns that do not seem normal. Is this nefarious? Is this a upper climate change? Dunno. Anyways, my question to (OP) is:
Did the contracters actually ask for an airborn chemical that could in some way ( small or smaller ) alter the way humans percieve ? To me, personally, it seem like water or food or OTC drugs would be a much more effective delivery system than spraying at 10,20,30 k feet. Again, I see strange things in the sky....just not sure what to make of them.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5050645
Perception is a tricky thing. Considering that the majority of my research took places in the 1990s, being able to alter human perception in a desired manner made finding a needle in a haystack seem like a fun way to pass the time. That being said, we were approached a few times with the request of chemicals that would alter "perception", in some sense. But these requests were always vague, never specific - this made accomplishing their goals extremely tricky.
Now I am not trying to make you feel bad or anything here - but are you NOT aware of the mid-late 90s chemtrails in parts of the USA where people were sick for weeks and months and many even died as a result of exposure to chemtrails? [And I'm talking the type of chemtrails that whole towns came out to watch in broad daylight as massive tic-tac-toe formations were in the sky and cobwebs of 'stuff' rained down upon the people resulting in massive hospitalisations etc.

Edited to add: I'm more curious about the info effects of compartmentalisation that I sense occurring here.
Quoting: nexuseditor
I've honestly never heard about any of that. I was too enveloped in my job to spend time researching chemtrails. Hell, at the time, I didn't even know that was the common term for them. In the lab we generally referred to them as ADCs. If what you describe is true, it was a result of either:
1. Our products being used in manner conflicting with our recommendations
2. Products of another lab
3. Mass hysteria/delusion

Did you accomplish their goals? What drugs were used, can you say?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8343782
In most projects like these, no. Our directions were so vague than it was nearly impossible to gauge any progress we made as really being "successful" versus "unsuccessful". And I can't really name the drugs as none of them had common names - we were really developing chemicals that had never been synthesized before, or if they had, their effects had gone unnoticed at the time. I also will not post any chemical formulas or compounds of products we developed, for obvious reasons.

OP, I have been studying Chemtrail conspiracy theory for over two years and what you have presented sounds very reasonable. . . you may or may not know the answer to the following questions, but if you don't mind take a shot. . .THANKs!!!!! I especially agree with your position on contrail/Chemtrail visibility and inability to distinguish between the two. . . .
1) what chemicals are capable of being dispersed through a jet engine without limiting thrust and corroding the engine. . . ?
2) how can you mix chemicals in fuel and at what part of the process would you do so?
3) If you designed a system to disperse aerosols how would you do it by aircraft and what substances would you use. . . ?
Quoting: George B
1. A common misconception I've noticed in chemtrail discussions is that ADCs must be dispersed through the engines of the aircraft delivering them. This would be incredibly dangerous to the aircraft. I can say this with some certainty because no chemicals we ever worked on were designed to be mixed with jet fuel. It makes sense that an aircraft would spray during conditions where it was producing natural contrails, as to cover up the released spray. My guess is that our ADCs were dispersed through nozzles in the aircraft fuselage located as close to the engine exhausts as possible, as to better cover the release up with natural contrails. However, this is just my personal speculation.
2. See above.
3. I think my speculation in the second half of my first answer probably answers this question. I would hide nozzles as close to engine exhausts as possible, in order to utilize natural contrails to cover up the released spray.

From what I gather OP is this what you were working on? [link to conspiration.ca]
Quoting: Kinect
No.
1. This looks like a patent. We never attempted to patent anything.
2. These researchers are attempting to absorb UV rays. The project I mentioned before involved a chemical that required sufficient UV exposure to activate. The purpose was not to absorb UV rays, it just was necessary to harness their energy to activate our primary compound.

OP, maybe my question wasn't so much about "altering perception" as to the delivery system. Did the contracters ask about all delivery systems or just airborn ? Or did your lab suggest the best delivery system. Again, I'm not totally convinced of sneaky wrongdoing.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5050645
I never worked on a project that did not involve airborne dispersal. However, if a project involved targeting groundwater using ADCs, than perhaps ingestion would be the end delivery system in that case.


With excellent atmospheric conditions. . . At what altitude do you suspect it would need to be released? .. .
Quoting: George B
You aren't going to find many complicated compounds that can withstand the heat found in a standard jet engine. Anything that could would not be able to achieve the complicated effects we were tasked with.
Anyhow, volume isn't the right way to look at this because some mixtures were meant to reach ground level in concentrations as low as one part per billion, others in much higher concentrations. Volume also depends on the concentration of the final mixture itself - there are always at least a handful of inactive ingredients that can sometimes comprise the bulk of the mixture. So volume needed to blanket a city of that size would vary on a great scale. As far as altitude, we developed mixtures intended to be dispersed anywhere between 5,000 and 50,000 feet.

What I was told by my Government Friends is most logical cause its the only reason they would spray over their own and why are Sun looks freaking white instead of yellow and why the leaves never fell off for Autumn.
As I said before, TOP BRASS military cities are sprayed the most. They protect their own.
No convincing you,
I believe in Aspartame though, and guess Ill have to wait for a detailed post on that , which will never come.
Thanks for what its worth..
Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINATI
I never worked on any mixtures involving Aspartame, sorry.

This landmark GLP thread from 2012 has been edited and formatted for easy readability.
It only contains posts from Day-5 of the thread.
The regular text queries are from our own preeminent GLP members, the bold text are the responses from the Chemtrail chemicals chemist OP.

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 6323246
I spent 17 years developing various chemicals for Chemtrails - ask me almost anything.
Can't tell you the name of my employers. Nor can I tell you the exact chemical compositions of the mixtures I helped developed. I can answer almost everything else.



were you bugged or followed at any time?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4591296
If I was, I honestly had no idea.

Sounds crazy until you read the recent story about methane plumes venting from the Arctic at levels not seen for millions of years.
Anyway, do you believe he was real or do you think he was a hoax?
Hope you read this and I'm looking forwrd to your response.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3186637
If there are ADCs that have been developed for combating global warming, my lab never played a role in their development.
I spent 17 years developing various chemicals for Chemtrails - ask me almost anything.

OP,
Are you back?
Then one more time, are you that confident?
btw I made a error in calculating the capacity of a KC767 refueler(used water weight instead of JetA weight) comes to 30,000 gallon capacity. So application rates of .03 gallon per acre would be adequate for your ADCs?
OP, thx for playing along...
wait, whole city of Chicago going to the ER? are you that confident of ADC effectiveness?
Quoting: uscrusader1
[This is hypothetical, of course. We were never asked to include any such markers in our final products. But for the sake of the hypothetical situation, it could either be inhaled or absorbed through skin, and you would definitely not want it to send people to the ER. Not if you want the entire city ending up in the ER.
I think I mentioned this before - 0.03 gallons is an irrelevant number, given how much the concentration of the primary compound in a final mixture can vary. But yes, for some of the more concentrated mixtures, this figure is plausible.

did you work in south america?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8426238
No. Our research laboratory was based in the United States.

is it possible your job was just a diversion? created only to muddy waters?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4591296
If my job was a diversion, it would probably be the most expensive diversion in they history of mankind. So my guess is no.

ok, so I will add what I know to the thread.
1. pheromones exist for humans, can be synthesized and work. in small doses.
2. we are very chemical and effected by chemicals around us. I have had a kid regress after vaccination and then also be cured through biomedical intervention with diet and supplements. Homeopathy works.
3. people at the top are idiots..
so given what I know for 1, 2 and 3.. this story is not completely implausible.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4591296
As much as I have tried to keep this thread on topic, I would like to throw in my two cents on homeopathy...any "results" achieved by homeopathy are a placebo effect at best. I'm not going to get into an argument about this, although I'm sure more than one person on these forums would be willing to. I'm just giving my opinion.

Do you think the "calming agents" are the cause of chronic fatigue syndrome?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1015504
Don't know much about CFS, but from what I've read, it's quite possible.
I meant to add that some of the symptoms are eerily similar to what we saw in trial animals.

(from page 11) Can you expand on this please? What symptoms would have been seen in trial animals?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6383062
General malaise, ineffective sleep cycles, orthostatic instability, mood swings, to name a few.

do chemtrails have magnetic properties?
Hpw are they affected when mouns bombard them?
Are chemtrails stable? will they break down after exposer?
Do they need to be kept at a certain temperature until released?
is flouride found in them?
are they released in the planes engine with fuel vapor, or seperate holding tanks?
Why is it that I don't see a release valve on planes? Why don't I see chemicals being loaded onto the plane at the airport?
Do you subject your chemicals to electro magnetic radiation?
How long ago where chemtrails introduced?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7916217
Magnetic properties: Not intentionally.
Stable/break down after exposure: Our projects covered pretty much the whole spectrum in this department. Some chemicals were meant to degrade within 48 hours of deployment. Others were meant to persist in the environment for up to a year.
Temperature: In some cases, yes, storage temperature and pressure were very important.
Fluoride: In the reduced anion form of fluorine (F-)? No.
Are chemtrails released in engines with fuel vapor or separate tanks: None of the projects we ever worked on were intended to be mixed with jet fuel. Everything we developed was meant for standalone deployment.
Why can't you see release valves on planes/see people loading chemicals: No clue. I never played a role in deployment methods. Anything I could offer would be pure speculation.
Did we subject our chemicals to electromagnetic radiation: No.
How long ago were chemtrails introduced: I answered this earlier. In short - crop dusting was routine by the 1930s. My guess is that it didn't take long for people with power and money to realize that the same methods could be used on people rather than plants. This is also speculation - I wasn't alive in the 1930s.

Op: Why now? Why did you decide to 'somewhat' disclose now? In 2012? I mean, with all that is happening around the world, economies collapsing, governments out of control including our own, the military industrial complex in full swing, the weaponization of space. The list goes on and on.
It's like you know something, or at the very least dread something awful is about to happen. How lucky for you that you have situated yourself in a somewhat safe place - does this mean you are planning on surviving some catastrophe? Would your speaking up a few years ago have made a difference? I believe it would have.
You say 'good luck' with going after the government - is this because of the hidden government? If enough of the populace all around the world united for this cause, then things could change, no? Or, are you disclosing now because we have passed a point of no return and it doesn't much matter for you anymore?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1337468
I chose to disclose now because I only found out about the GLP forums within the past year. Until then, I had not found any public forum that might believe what I had to say. I think you are over dramatizing things.

OP: is there some food/substance that could help us neutralize, restore balance to our body chemistry (and well being in general) after being affected by chemtrails (i know you were doing lots of different mixes)?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8428733
Not that I can think of. Try not to waste your money on so called "de-tox" kits - 99% of these are complete bullshit.

OP I have a question?
Would you say the affects of the agents you were delivering too humans would cause symptoms of illness that then could be "cured/symptoms reduced" by another agent like a (pharmaceutical)?
Also related did you ever work on projects that would cause reactions based on specific chemicals in blood?
if say for instance someone was on certain pharmacy drugs or even illegal drugs, like THC?
Quoting: Fallen
ADCs causing symptoms that could be "cured/reduced" by another agent: Very possible.
Projects causing reactions based on specific chemicals in blood: Yes. Not for anything related to illegal drugs as you suggested, though.

OP you said in the beginning of the post that these chemicals could be inhaled, absorbed, or ingested, my question is, are they only being sprayed? What I mean by that is, is it possible that some of these chemicals are being put in our food, water supply, or possibly even put into lotions and other products that people are using?
Just seems that there are so many ways to get these chemicals into our bodies.
Scary
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8435408
Every chemical mixture my laboratory worked on was meant to be deployed aerially. In some cases, however, bodies of water were the target rather than direct contact with humans.

Hi OP, you said in a earlier post that if you used moisturizer or hand lotion, your skin will become dependent on it.
How do you break such a dependency? Just stop using it? But will your skin return to normal eventually, or is it forever fucked?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8438832
Hello. I suppose this was sort of off topic when I posted it, and I only remembered this tidbit from an undergraduate biology course. But from what I understand, abstaining from further use of lotions will eventually lead to your skin producing its own natural oils. But your skin will be dry for quite some time after quitting. However, you can find some products that will not cause this effect in the first place.

Is there a 'detox' for the chemicals you are are aware of that you could advise?
Thnx.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1273422
Not that I know of, no. Most detox kits I've read about say they will purge your colon, remove THC from your adipose tissue, etc. In other words, they all target specific chemicals in specific tissues. In general, these are actually more effective than kits that promise some sort of miracle "full body detox". But as far as protecting/detoxing against the multitude of chemicals you may be exposed to...no, nothing comes to mind.

(from page 11) Can you expand on this please? What symptoms of CFS would have been seen in trial animals?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6383062
General malaise, ineffective sleep cycles, orthostatic instability, mood swings, to name a few.

so youre just trying to piss off the general public now?? ok I believe you there are less expensive ways...have your people call mine
Quoting: exiled1
These are all described symptoms of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome that we saw in test animals during trials of this project. I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.
Since you are up to this page on replies...

What did you think of your colleagues given the knowledge of what you were creating together?
Cheers.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1273422
What was initially a very awkward work environment eventually gave way to the general sense of professional camaraderie found in most offices. I probably thought no less of my co-workers than they did of me. When I first started, it was at the same time as a few others in their late twenties/early thirties. At that time, there were also a handful of people in their fifties - we looked up to them. They strode the lab like giants. As I eventually filled that role, and when a new group of twenty-somethings was hired, the role reversal felt interesting.
Sorry, I might have gone off on a tangent from your original question. I had respect for nearly all of my colleagues.

This is some bored 30 something dork dude without a date drinking enough mountain dew to dissolve a manatee while lapping up some attention.
Glad you got it man....we all deserve to get what we want...and I guess these suckers on your string are getting what they want too!
Live it up dude...chemtrails are real...but I don't believe you have anything to do with 'em!
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8332850
That's fine. You're absolutely entitled to your opinion. It's not like I've never met such skepticism when attempting to explain my career. And yes, I used to live in a city. Now I live in a cabin. I moved out here two months after retirement. Hardly see any planes now. It's nice. And I further explained my views on so-called "detox kits" in a later post. Please read it.

OP, what do you do to protect yourself from the effects of chemtrails?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8399248
I live in a remote area. That is all
Hardly a diversion.
Much can be learned from failed lab assignment results, just as with successful lab asignments.

The 'non-toxicity' sounds legit as well during the nascent development stage of a new technology. You don't want human populations running to the ER's citywide, or freaking out with psych attacks in the middle of the street during (the inevitable) trial deployments over cities.
I'd guess this OP's lab(one of many compartmentalized) was in business to help R&D the 'system' of ADC deployment for some agency(mr. big). Sure OP did projects for paying clients because corp's write this off as R&D $, they get a useful(profit to them) chemical, and maybe the 'agency' gets another ADC step forward.
In as much as the OP's lab got paid generously for it's ADC development, I often wonder what the city of Chicago is getting reimbursed for actual human trials over it's population of 10 million.
Quoting: uscrusader1

is it possible your job was just a diversion? created only to muddy waters?
If my job was a diversion, it would probably be the most expensive diversion in they history of mankind. So my guess is no.

fwiw, ADC chems are bad, biologicals are worse.
With 10,000,000 germs per gram a .03 gallon per acre dosage would result in 1 germ per cubic foot of air... from ground level to 30,000 feet!
flu anyone?
[This is hypothetical, of course. We were never asked to include any such markers in our final products. But for the sake of the hypothetical situation, it could either be inhaled or absorbed through skin, and you would definitely not want it to send people to the ER. Not if you want the entire city ending up in the ER.
I think I mentioned this before - 0.03 gallons is an irrelevant number, given how much the concentration of the primary compound in a final mixture can vary. But yes, for some of the more concentrated mixtures, this figure is plausible.

I spent 17 years developing various chemicals for Chemtrails - ask me almost anything.
OP, you may have answered before. . . .please excuse me if you have. . . In a recent GLP Poll . . . (see below) almost 54% of the voters feel that CHEMTRAILs are persistent while contrails are not. . . In Your Opinion. . . Could the addition of the class of chemicals you worked with . . .make any of the visible trails from aircraft more persistent. . . if so, would the persistence have been significant? . . .
If you have already answered the above question or something similar . . . Could I ask you. . . How would you have voted in the poll below?
POLL: CHEMTRAILs are what???
4) CHEMTRAILs are persistent trails, contrails are not persistent 53.8% (133)
2) all trails in the sky are contrails, CHEMTRAILs don't exist 17.4% (43)
3) some trails in the sky are CHEMTRAILs but most trails are contrails 14.2% (35)
5) CHEMTRAILs nor contrails need be visible, visibility is coincidental 6.9% (17)
1) all trails in the sky are CHEMTRAILs, contrails are a subset of contrails 5.7% (14)
6) CHEMTRAILs are very rare but are occasionally seen 2.0% (5)
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Non-Blank Votes: 247
Quoting: George B
I would have answered #3 and #5 - the two are not mutually exclusive. Answer #4 is a common misconception. Answer #2 is a naive denial. Answer #1 is simply not true. Answer #6 is overly optimistic.

Hello OP, and thank you for answering questions related to your career.
I have one question.
Could/would you think back through all the chemical products your lab was asked to create/test and list a simplified chart of
1. the chemical name
2. the intended effect
3. successful or not
If you feel this would identify you then please disregard the request.
And the old woman inside me can't help but offer you a last comment. Please accept it for consideration.
All humans on earth are guilty of our own ignorance. None have been fully informed.
Quoting: soulsurvivor
Sorry, but creating such a compilation and releasing it publicly would go way too far beyond the level of specificity that I feel comfortable with.

Hello,
The people or organization that funded this work seems very private and have have alot of resources. Your shop doesn't sound cheap even being one so small.
Also it is reassuring that the scientists had some ethics regarding working on project that would overtly do harmful.
The work and interactions with the customer seems so compartmentalized as well. Also seems to aid plausible dependability. Especially when it seems the work were not FDA approved and such. Did did you ever wonder about these factors? It all seems to spit on 'knowledge is power' to some level.
Were any research data and records ever available to aid future projects? I imagine aspects from past research would be helpful.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502821
There were cases where it was blatantly obvious that we were being contracted by people who had employed us in the past. Even to the point of them giving us our old lab notebooks from previous projects back, if they thought they would help with the newer project. But in most cases, we could only use retained knowledge from previous projects to help us with similar projects in the future.
No - we never heard results about any of our products. Probably related to plausible deniability. We could only speculate as to final results based on our animal trials.
Al2O3 - No.
Advice - Please see earlier in the thread. I realize this has drawn on pretty long and it might be hard to find that specific response, so I'll give you a brief answer. I'm pretty pessimistic about "getting this stopped". Writing a letter to your congressman isn't going to help. Going to the media isn't going to help unless you have solid, undeniable proof.
Goodnight all. Not sure why I came back here, even after I said I was done. But I'm not sorry that I have.
Judging by my employment experience, the people contracting our work go through great lengths to keep what they do hidden from the general public. Extreme amounts of compartmentalization, even by industry standards. I highly doubt many, if any, congressmen know. I would also speculate that only the upper echelon of the military is aware, if that.
Yes, I know for a fact that some of my co-workers felt extremely guilty. Especially over time. Even more guilty than myself.
There must be people who are aware of what they are doing that load/service these systems of aircraft. I do not know any such people, but it seems like they must exist.
Yes, I currently smoke Marijuana. I grow it myself. I have no clue as to whether it's reported medicinal properties are true, although from what I've read, raw ingestion is not the way to go. It makes me feel good and helps me forget the past.
Yes, we worked on products involving anti-depressant effects. These projects were generally easy - most of the time we would use chemicals similar if not identical to prescription medications, and merely adapt them to aerial dispersal.
That's my plan (checking back from time to time). I've jumped back and forth between abandoning this thread because of the numerous tangents that have spun off, as well as hateful posts directed at me. But there are still relevant questions being asked. So I will probably continue to lurk and answer questions that I feel are worthwhile.
On certain mixtures, temperature can play a major role. But we never designed chemicals with certain climates in mind.
Wind patterns can be used to aid dispersal. I.e. deploying a more concentrated mixture when there is a lot of wind between dispersal level and ground level will enhance dispersion but lower end point concentration. But in the end it is up to the contractor as far as when, where, and under what conditions they use our products.
I don't want to get in to the details of the details of the most dangerous compound we gave final approval on. It wasn't extremely toxic by any means, but it still bothered me that we didn't declare it a failure.
Yes, we conducted all animal trials in house. Symptoms/results varied greatly depending on the project at hand. Some results took minutes to manifest. Others, nearly the entire lifetime of the test animal.
All tests were conducted using aerosol dispersion of the mixture, as this is how it would be deployed in the field.
Fatal effects were common. If these fatal effects were too common, despite attempts to rectify these effects, the project would be declared a failure. Yes, our first route following fatal trials would be to decrease dosage and observe whether we still obtained the desired effects without the previous levels of fatality.
We never worked on anything that I would want utilized on me without my knowledge.
Do I think anyone important has seen this thread? I don't know.
Do I think people in charge monitor this site? I don't know. To some extent, I hope not.
Do I worry about my safety? Sometimes, yes. Most of the time no. My life has been an adventure. It is out of my hands to determine when it ends.
Millions/billions: The investment of our contractors, per project, was likely somewhere between eight or nine figures ($10,000,000 to $999,999,999).
Yes, it was made very clear to us from day one that "going public" would not be in our best interest. This was extremely stressful at first, but these stress levels actually decreased the longer we worked at our lab. They started to increase again as I neared retirement, but this proved to be unfounded.
Yes, I can think of a few colleagues of mine that did indeed have families that knew some details of what they did for a living, and wanted them to consider a change in career. Sorry, just realized I misread your question. But, yes, many of my colleagues worried that the mixtures they developed might end up being used on their loved ones.
Time to hit the sack. AC 459 has asked some very good questions, some which I haven't answered yet. I'll try to get to these tomorrow. Good night all

let this be a taste for others working in the chem business....
this is what will happen to you...
you will end up...addicted to alcohol and speaking to all the people you helped torment...unwillingly i might add...
a surrealist purgatory..
a prep of things to come....when you get to the other side...
karma...
Quoting: mr...bojangles

I doubt all roads involving a degree in chemistry end like mine.
Haven't checked this in a few days...anyone have anymore new or original questions? Or should we call this thing dead.

It's nice to see that there is some genuine appreciation for what I've been doing on this message board. It seems like replies have been split between people telling me I'm going to hell, people calling me a fraud, and people with genuine interest in my past.

Never had any interactions with US military. If they ever contracted the services of our lab, I never knew. Like I've said in previous posts, the entire system was extremely compartmentalized. Never had any clue who we were conducting research for.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if foreign militaries were looking into the same sort of research that we were conducting for our contractors.
No one outside of our small group of employees were ever in our lab, except for a few exceptions. Never any politicians. I'd imagine that would be quite a risk for them, especially given the number of security cameras we had in the lab.

Interesting that the guy(in the video) looking for funding this was going to use the flu as the carrier. With a minimum of 10 million virus per gram - ADC coverage/density would be at least 1 virus per cu foot of air, to 30,000 feet altitude.
Pentagon Eugenics Alter DNA to breed out Religious impulses via FunVax Vaccinations and Aerosol Spraying
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502821
OP,
Sound about right? Can you add any more details or speculation.
I'll have to watch the video first. Also, I'm not sure why you keep asking me register on this site. Do you have an ulterior motive?

This landmark GLP thread from 2012 has been edited and formatted for easy readability.
It only contains posts from Day-3 of the thread.
The regular text queries are from our own preeminent GLP members, the bold text are the responses from the Chemtrail chemicals chemist OP.



I am wanting information from you, not trying to shoot you down...
Quoting: Kinect
Please refer to the first few pages of the thread as to why I refuse to disclose any chemical compounds my lab helped to develop. I'm trying to make it as difficult as possible for someone to narrow down where I was employed, and I've probably already come too close a few times in this thread.

I didnt ask for the chemical compound, I think its the Gulf War Disease cause the flats of diet soda sat out in the sun
And if you look at the chemical compound, it seems to convert to formaldehyde
Thanks anyways,
Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINATI
It is worth pointing out that there are no aldehyde functional groups in the chemical structure of Aspartame.

Let me ask it this way . . . Could most of your mixtures be dispersed and meet minimum saturations on our hypothetical city (OKC) from one aircraft at the proper altitude. . . ? Would it take several aircraft? How often is re-dispersal needed in a hypothetical application of your mixture? . . .
Quoting: George B
I suppose that one of our slowest, widest dispersing agents, released at a very high altitude, under perfect atmospheric conditions, could disperse to an area the width of such a city. This would be more feasible if it was a mixture that only needed to reach ground level at concentrations in the level of parts per billion, or perhaps parts per million.
This is pretty speculative; I don't remember working on any project that could've achieved this.

Oh...you wanted a question...What type of Scotch are you drinking right now?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5050645
Laphroaig, single malt scotch whisky, 10 year. It's been a while since I sprung for the 18 year. Only for special occasions.

You have a point, let's get to it. What to do?
Quoting: Kinect
I've answered both of these questions in one form or another a few times throughout the thread, so I'll give you the brief answers. Feel free to look back through the thread for the unabridged versions.
How does it benefit me? It feels good, to some extent, to get this off my chest. Been living with it for a while now.
How does it benefit the rest of the world? Knowledge is power. That's my scientist credo.
What to do about it? I feel like my previous answers have been pretty bleak/pessimistic. Sorry, but in my mind, that's the case. Good luck bringing this to a mainstream media outlet. The people who contracted our services have endless amounts of power and money. My best recommendation would be to do what I've done - get as far away from population centers as possible. Live off the land as much as you can. Life is short - enjoy it.

Elaborate on what other constituents and chemical compositions, including metals besides aluminum are being found in the soil. Do you have a theory as to the cause?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5114133
There aren't many families on the periodic table that we didn't deal with during my career. I'm not up to date on what's being found in the soil, but if you can provide me with some specifics I can attempt to speculate as to the reason.
Okay all,
It's been another good night. Plenty of insightful questions. I did not think it would feel this good to get some of this off my chest while helping others. Not sure if I will be back tomorrow night, but I'll try. In the meantime, going to go cuddle with my puppy and read a good book. Good night all.

Almost sounds like fluorescein....or something glow in the dark
Thanks...
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1497040
The chemical that was designed to be utilized at night did not involve fluorescence. Rather, we were unable to make the mixture refract the right wavelengths of light so that it would appear white/gray. Instead, no matter what we tried, it had a distinct color to it. For this reason, we instructed the contractor that it would be best utilized at night.

You obviously are referring to heavy elements such as 113-118, but with the fractional of a second radioactive decay, how would they apply to effects upon perception?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5114133
Sorry, we never used any of those elements in our lab.

Also, I have had a multitude of fungi on my property this year and never had it before. Big shrooms the size of baseballs and some bigger and at least 6-7 varieties.
Is there any correlation to this with what you did?
Quoting: odinson222
Can't really say what the effects of any of our compounds might have had on fungi. I suppose it's possible that they might have stimulated growth in some species of fungi. Fungi are extremely sensitive to their environment, and especially to various compounds that other organisms aren't.

I've read articles where Project Blue Beam uses chemicals like barium to produce its holograms, etc. Do you think the chemtrails may be used for this as well? I mean if they are using barium in the mixture, and the holograms need barium, this could possible be a reson as well right? Afterall, if they are looking to "deceive" us somehow with UFO's, a false rapture, anything really, then it would make perfectly good sense to be "prepping" the skies for such events. What do you think?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1580547
Never heard of anything like that, and it sounds pretty tricky to do. We never worked on anything with the purpose of facilitating the projection of holograms. Never heard of Barium being used for something like this either.

OP,
I appreciate your posts about ADC research. Could you 'speculate' from your knowledge/experience and see if it dovetails with the technical observations of Chicago events.
I author of the 'Chemtrails over Chicagoland' series of GLP threads, an accurate chronology documentating Chicago events without the associated hype.
I am primarily interested in you confirming the altitude and dispersion distances that I've observed and whether they fit into your 'recommended' spraying parameters. The operation is the same each time. A single white KC767 type aircraft with 4 main wing nozzles spraying at +35,000ft, trails are sprayed ends to the middle roughly 8 miles apart(tho accurate to GPS lat/lon).
The KC767 series can handle approx 12,000 gallons so would it have adequate dosing capacity for (6) 50-mile long trails? Highest dosage?/minimum dosage? Do these numbers work for all your proposed ADC formulas?
Disregard the benign cloud/fog seeding event, it was the same aircraft but at a much lower altitude.
Quoting: uscrusader1
12,000 gallons at 35,000 feet covering six 50-mile trails is pushing it, depending on the initial concentration of the primary compound(s) in the mixture and the desired resultant concentration at ground level. Feasible though. Important to note, however, that the 12,000 gallons figure is for jet fuel (as the KC767 is a refueling aircraft) at a certain pressure, and is not universal depending on what you are storing and at what conditions. Not sure what you are asking when you say "highest dosage?/minimum dosage?". If I understand you correctly, that is completely dependent on the mixture as well as multiple other factors.

This is too much fun
OP what have you offered or accomplished giving to your group of believers here?
IE I saw it made you feel better but what do you think you have posted that has benefited anyone else here and how?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8033633
It probably hasn't. I don't know, many people believe knowledge is power, myself included. If they feel they have gained knowledge, they in turn feel more powerful and perhaps better equipped to fight their enemies. Of course that's just lofty rhetoric - there's not much I can say to benefit anyone here. Sharing information is all I can do, and even then most people are likely to regard it as bullshit.

came on the forum to clear your conscious--so what is it that actually concerns you about the Chemtrails?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5114133
I think that much is clear from pretty much all of my answers - they aren't being used to give children puppies and cure cancer. They are being used for purposes slightly more nefarious.

Simply put, in your research there was a wide range of dosages for ADP efficacy, minimum(it worked) to maximum(not safe for humans). So if the ADP's were diluted for deployment would the 8 mile spread@35,000 do the job. I know deployment is not your specialty so speculate.
As I am speculating as to the capacities of a modified KC767, I'm going on telescopic views of short duration.
However the end result in Chicago is near perfect dispersion and coverage.
Quoting: uscrusader1
You are correct that there is always a dosage range, the lower end being ineffective and the upper end being over-effective. However this range varied greatly depending on the specific compounds. Some ADCs, deployed as you described, would reach ground level within that desired range of effectiveness. Others wouldn't.

This I understand, but for what agenda--and yes, I process mayhem--but you must have inclinations as to its use and for what purpose; otherwise, you wouldn't be trying to indirectly warn us.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5114133
Control was the only overt agenda I could ever discern.

Let me throw out a prior hint you might have given. Can you elborate on Area 51?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5114133
I'm not sure what prior hint you are referring to, but it must've been entirely unintentional. I've never had any contact with Area 51 - wasn't even in the same state.

How does the gov get a suspicious public to go get vaccines..maybe make them feel sick?
Just sayin..
Quoting: SunDogsbd
Although this is beyond my realm of experience, it is completely possible that the project I worked on involving the production of flu-like symptoms could have been used for such a purpose.

It that the result of the research or knowledge acquired prior to the experiments?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5114133
A mix of knowledge acquired from test results of the failed project, and a smaller part of just my personal beliefs based on some understanding of the biochemistry behind human emotions.

Globally?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5114133
I don't actually know where any of the products we developed were eventually deployed.
"The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose."
Sometimes I find myself using "irregardless" to piss off people who think they are god's gift to grammar. I would have never used it while in school or when writing a scientific paper. But I don't appear to be doing either of those things.

So the agenda was to create amnesia after intense fear, but the experiment failed.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5114133
No. Our testing found that the compound we were developing was able to prevent the creation of short term memories following mild or moderate traumatic experiences, but failed to work following any trauma more intense than "moderate".

OP,
This brings to mind.
Have you ever worked on harmless ADP 'marker' system to test the success of a chemtrail 'run'. Anything some enterprising investigator could look for in an ER room data sheet?
What would your methodology be if I walked into your lab with that one? :)
Quoting: uscrusader1
I would need to know what you mean by "ADP" first.

that's like saying little radiation is o.k.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7418812
It is.

Do you feel there was an agenda to create an illusion of an epidemic to administer vaccines?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5114133
I don't know. That's beyond what I'd like to speculate on. What I can say is, if I had had children, I would've gotten them vaccinated. Even after working on that project. And even after that project I continued to get flu vaccinations. This is because I understand the research and science behind them, and accept it as true and safe. I know this statement is not going to get me a lot of love on this website. But those are just my personal beliefs.
OP.. Thanks for this. You put a lot of things in perspective for a lot of people. I feel your truth and intent. I think the illuminati are such big of band of losers and filth, they try anything to control the people. spraying with allll THAT MONEY involved seem like the ultimate fear mongering. lol they can't traduce a good amount of us, i know it makes them mad.

the questions i ask now, will lead to tons i research i may or may not do in the future. i am absolutely no chemist.
.. where the chemical compounds you worked on in anyway active or antagonistic upon the opiate receptors?
what about norepinephrine?
.. was your research started from the ground up.. if not, what chemical scientists - you most relate your work to? for example: alexander shulgin?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6216609
Opioid receptors - Yes, mainly the Mu and Nociceptin (ORL1) subtypes.
Norepinephrine (AKA Noradrenaline) - Yes. Hormones and Neurotransmitters factored into nearly all of our mammalian-targeted projects in one way or another.
Oh hell, this is tough. In science, nearly everything one does builds upon something done by someone else. Our lab was no exception. I can't think of anyone I most relate my work to, mainly because we were in a relatively new and unpublished field. I'll direct you to Carl Neuberg - one of the earliest pioneers of Biochemisty. Or perhaps Otto Loewi - the first person to discover and isolate a neurotransmitter (Acetylcholine). Anything we did was building upon work from someone who was building upon work from someone who was building upon work from one of these two figures (in a manner of speaking).

OP,
This brings to mind.
Have you ever worked on harmless ADP 'marker' system to test the success of a chemtrail 'run'. Anything some enterprising investigator could look for in an ER room data sheet?
What would your methodology be if I walked into your lab with that one? :)
Quoting: uscrusader1
I would need to know what you mean by "ADP" first.
oops, tired and no doctorate, ACP
Quoting: uscrusader1
Do you mean ADC (Aerially Dispersed Chemical)? It's not really an official acronym, more of something we used for shorthand in the lab. If that is what you are referring to, no, we never worked on anything that intended to test the success of an ADC. If you contracted our lab to develop such a thing, we would need to know what you consider a successful "chemtrail run".

Okay - what is your understanding of the role of adjuvants in vaccines?
Quoting: nexuseditor
From what I understand, adjuvants, while not necessary in most modern vaccines, are added to increase the efficiency of the vaccine. They achieve this by enhancing the natural immune response to the target antigen. This is achieved through a few different methods; one such method is ensuring that the antigen stays around long enough for the body to develop an immune response. Without adjuvants, in some cases the body would clear the antigen before the immune system fully had a chance to develop a complete immune response. Please keep in mind this pretty far from my field of study. I only put enough interest into vaccines to the point where I felt safe receiving them.

Newton: "If I have seen further it is only by standing on the shoulders of giants".
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5114133
Exactly! Newton was spot on.
Really can't say. If I was still employed, I could tell you if business was slacking off or was as busy as ever. Not that we ever weren't busy. But I really have no clue as to whether the chemtrail situation is getting worse. Luckily, I live in an area where I am lucky to even see a plane.

By decreasing Acetylcholine, you decrease environmental awareness. Again--who is trying to control the populace?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5114133
That's a pretty broad statement. Acetylcholine can be found pretty much everywhere in the human body. Simply decreasing the amount of ACh either being produced or being taken up in the human body would have a laundry list of effects.

yup, ADC.
Nothing in depth, just off the top of your head.
The methodology for a quick ADC marker... someone must have asked for one in 17 years?
A harmless marker to see the success rate of an Aerially Dispersed Chemical 'run'.
No one has ever asked for a test/result system to see if ADC's even worked?
Just for fun , speculate :)
Quoting: uscrusader1
That's what I'm saying - how do you test the success rate of an ADC? That in itself is a very complex and difficult question. You'd have to conduct testing at ground level. And such work would not have been contracted to my lab.

Tell me - what do YOU consider is a safe amount of formaldehyde to inject into a newborn baby? And why do you feel it is safe to do this over a dozen times before that child starts school?
Quoting: nexuseditor
Ugh. I knew I should have never brought up vaccines. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. You have yours, I have mine. If you don't want to get your children vaccinated against tetanus because of the presence of formaldehyde in the vaccine, that is 100% your choice. I hate the idea that our government might some day require vaccinations. I'm going to end this tangent and go back to fielding questions only pertaining to my work as a chemist. Sorry.

How detailed of request would you get, regarding the type of chemical wanted made?
how would you get your assignments?
Please go into detail.
how did you know if your chemicals worked? there had to be human trails.. did you every ingest your chemicals, by accident of on purpose?
Do any of your chemicals have potential for therapeutic or recreational use?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6216609
Here's how our laboratory worked:
One supervisor. One lead researcher. Four to eight research technicians. These were the only people that were in our lab on a daily basis. Our supervisor had a boss who would be approached by contractors, who communicated a desired outcome to be achieved via ADCs. Our supervisor would approach us with this contract. We would brainstorm questions for him to relay through his boss to the contractors. A lot of questions, usually. The answers would filter back down through the supervisor to us. At this point, we formulated more questions, but would also begin tentative research on how to obtain the desired results.
Never knew for sure if our chemicals worked. No human trials either - rats, and in rare cases pigs, only. It was usually possible to infer how successful our mixtures would be on humans based on our animal trials. Never ingested our chemicals on accident - we had very, VERY strict safety procedures in our lab. There was one mishap where a research technician came in contact with an intermediate product - luckily it was rather inert, and at a very small concentration. He was OK, but he was also fired.
I could think of a few of our final products that could have absolutely had potential for therapeutic or recreational use.

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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 6323246
I spent 17 years developing various chemicals for Chemtrails - ask me almost anything.
Can't tell you the name of my employers. Nor can I tell you the exact chemical compositions of the mixtures I helped developed. I can answer almost everything else.


I could think of a few of our final products that could have absolutely had potential for therapeutic or recreational use.

OP, Not the testing I know, the actual marker would tho, what would you use? (make believe)My agency will spray Chicago in the usual fashion and my agency will examine all ER's, clinics, hospital data reports for 'something' you tell me to look for. Some people will be more susceptible others not, but it will all be in the data from the institutions, very many of them around here. And they 'will' send the data because I will use the CDC or somesuch for the data requests. The CDC uses the ER's as their first source of data in epidemics and emergencies(per their report).
OP... Wanna play?
Quoting: uscrusader1
Do you mean some sort of marker chemical/compound that would be dispersed simultaneously with the ADC, for the purpose of looking for said marker in patients of ERs, clinics, hospitals, etc? If so, that does make sense. But it would generally be a lot less expensive to just look for elevated/abnorma levels of certain symptoms in these places of areas that had been sprayed.

yup, but I need good data for 'my boss' so coming from the ER's is best.
Sorry we have to make the people go to the ER tho, that wasn't 'your thing'.
Quoting: uscrusader1
In that case, I'd use some compound that isn't readily metabolized by the human body, and would probably be stored in adipose tissue.
If I really cared, I would present you with links to all sorts of scientific papers describing how adjuvants do exactly what I described. However, It'd be a better learning experience for you if you went out and found them for yourself. Self-sufficiency and all that.


Are these biochemical agents set to start and stop at certain times? In the late 1980's or early 1990's, in the suburbs of Chicago, a radio announcement requested people to phone in if they had certain signs and symptoms which started at a certain hour and ended at a designated time. Do you know anything about this?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5114133
The only things I can think of would be compounds that were dependent on UV rays, humidity, temperature...environmental influences like those, that tend to follow predictable patterns from night to day. We can't program a compound to start working at 3:30 AM and stop at 7:43 PM.

Did the population breathe it in or was it absorbed thru skin, would they go to the ER because of it?
Or was it combined with your 'harmless flu symptoms' ADC?
Quoting: uscrusader1
This is hypothetical, of course. We were never asked to include any such markers in our final products. But for the sake of the hypothetical situation, it could either be inhaled or absorbed through skin, and you would definitely not want it to send people to the ER. Not if you want the entire city ending up in the ER.
Listen - I should never have brought up vaccines. I know there are people who feel very strongly about this subject on these forums. Let's try to forget it and stick to the discussion topic.

Can you PLEASE expand on the recreation or therapeutic aspects regarding the chemicals?
such as, are they specifically mood enhancers which work on 5hta receptor sites? or dual receptor sites.. creating a potentiating effects?
what can be said about the neurotoxic effects of the chemicals you created?
where small amounts of neurotoxicity ever acceptable in final product to get desired effect?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6216609
Calming agents are the most obvious as far as therapeutic effects...I mean, calm people are happy people, right? (Sarcasm). We did work on a few projects involving Seratonin (5-HT) receptors, and some of these had effects that could definitely be classified as "therapeutic".
Neurotoxic effects - none. As stated before, we took great care to ensure that our mixtures left no permanent detrimental effects on the targets. Especially the nervous system.
Any sign of neurotoxicity pretty much doomed a project to failure. We conducted extensive dissections and studies of rat brains involved in testing to ensure this.

Just curious. Did you ever work on Hertz frequencies to facilitate Alpha brain waves to effect Serotonin levels?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5114133
No; sounds pretty interesting though.
I never dealt with the purchasing of chemicals. We told our supervisor what we needed, and we had it within one to two days. The containers were always unmarked except for the contents and the NFPA 704 safety diamond.
Anyways, it seems this thread has pretty much derailed into chaff discussion and name calling. Thanks for all of your insightful questions.
OP, in the 1950s and 60s the American, Canadian, and British military dispersed a simulate ( microscopic zinc cadmium sulfide (ZnCdS) ) from aircraft over large areas of their respective countries. . .this was to test behavior of biochemical weapons supposedly. . . Since TPTB know generally how the prevailing winds and other atmospherIc factors acted on the zinc cadmium sulfide . .In your opinion . . .does this mean thay don't need further testing on dispersal patterns or does each mixture require dispersal testing.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
"Operation LAC (Large Area Coverage), was a U.S. Army Chemical Corps operation which dispersed microscopic zinc cadmium sulfide (ZnCdS) particles over much of the United States. The purpose was to determine the dispersion and geographic range of biological or chemical agents." . . . A C-119 Flying Boxcar, the type of plane used to release the chemicals
Quoting: George B
It sounds like it's possible that they learned what they needed to know from that project. We never conducted dispersal testing ourselves...just exposure to rats and pigs at certain concentrations. We then advised a dispersal strategy suited to making the mixture reach ground level at optimal concentration.
OP, prior to 1997 the Secretary of Defense had the legal right to conduct biochemical warfare testing on US citizens without their knowledge and consent . . . Since this law has been repealed do you think anything has changed in the testing of questionable substances dispersed from aircraft?
Quoting: George B
Tough to say. Probably not - our work was well outside of the law. For example, lack of FDA approval

Can't tell you the name of my employers. Nor can I tell you the exact chemical compositions of the mixtures I helped developed. I can answer almost everything else.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6323246

Do these chemtrails also effect you and the elite? How do you and the elite avoid these chemicals?
Quoting: El Quisqueyano
Any response to this very pertinent question, cos this is where I get lost...how do you avoid breathing this stuff in..easy question
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6183134
I honestly don't know. This thought crossed my mind more than once during my career. My best guess was that the people contracting our work knew where these mixtures would be deployed. Easy enough for them to just not be wherever that might be.

Which neural receptors were they supposed to bind to?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8417330
Classes of chemicals - really, just about everything. Some organic, some not. Like I said earlier - there are only a handful of elements on the periodic table that we never experimented with for one purpose or another. Some were very similar to modern medicines (think stereoisomers), while others mimicked naturally occurring molecules. We had projects involved just about every class of neurotransmitter receptors you can think of.

ONE LAST QUESTION, OP:
And excuse me if you've answered it before, but weren't you concerned with the effects of whatever you were spraying on yourself and your family/friends? What kind of "calming" effects (to what purpose) were expected and do you think it's worked on you?
Quoting: mehitable
Frankly, yes. It did bother me that some of the chemicals we developed might be utilized over a town where relatives lived. However, whenever I attempted to explain my line of work to any family members, none took me seriously. All of my claims were met with a great degree of skepticism and eventually laughed off as a joke. I eventually was seen as the "kooky mad scientist" of my family.
Calming effect is pretty self descriptive - things that would normally elicit certain emotions in people no longer would. I've probably lived in a city that was sprayed before. No clue if it was with one of the calming agents we designed.

List of animal types..
mammals, birds, fishes, reptiles, amphibians,and invertebrates.
Target species.
Rule out mammals.
Rule out invertabrates as they are not the target but are in the food chain. Specifically, insects, so rule out animals whose diets are not heavy or predominately insect based, eg fish.
That leaves birds, reptiles and amphibians.
Chemical designed to last up to a year and accumulate in the food chain. Specifically designed to be dispersed by aerosol.
Target a quick predator, prolific to ensure the target is aquired as the chemical is designed to only last up to a year (1 breeding season.
Rule out amphibians and reptiles on the basis; amphibians are an indicator species. I just not feeling reptilkes where targetted
So OP, what effect occured with the birds?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 888033
I am not confirming that your Sherlock Holmes style deductions are correct, nor will I elaborate any further on this project. Sorry

making a full fledged effort? . . . That is a small scale effort before full deployment? . . .
Quoting: George B
I suppose. It depends on how much money they have at their disposal, and how concerned they are with their success levels.

This landmark GLP thread from 2012 has been edited and formatted for easy readability.
It only contains posts from Day-5 of the thread.
The regular text queries are from our own preeminent GLP members, the bold text are the responses from the Chemtrail chemicals chemist OP.

Anonymous Coward
User ID: 6323246
I spent 17 years developing various chemicals for Chemtrails - ask me almost anything.
Can't tell you the name of my employers. Nor can I tell you the exact chemical compositions of the mixtures I helped developed. I can answer almost everything else.



were you bugged or followed at any time?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4591296
If I was, I honestly had no idea.

Sounds crazy until you read the recent story about methane plumes venting from the Arctic at levels not seen for millions of years.
Anyway, do you believe he was real or do you think he was a hoax?
Hope you read this and I'm looking forwrd to your response.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3186637
If there are ADCs that have been developed for combating global warming, my lab never played a role in their development.
I spent 17 years developing various chemicals for Chemtrails - ask me almost anything.

OP,
Are you back?
Then one more time, are you that confident?
btw I made a error in calculating the capacity of a KC767 refueler(used water weight instead of JetA weight) comes to 30,000 gallon capacity. So application rates of .03 gallon per acre would be adequate for your ADCs?
OP, thx for playing along...
wait, whole city of Chicago going to the ER? are you that confident of ADC effectiveness?
Quoting: uscrusader1
[This is hypothetical, of course. We were never asked to include any such markers in our final products. But for the sake of the hypothetical situation, it could either be inhaled or absorbed through skin, and you would definitely not want it to send people to the ER. Not if you want the entire city ending up in the ER.
I think I mentioned this before - 0.03 gallons is an irrelevant number, given how much the concentration of the primary compound in a final mixture can vary. But yes, for some of the more concentrated mixtures, this figure is plausible.

did you work in south america?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8426238
No. Our research laboratory was based in the United States.

is it possible your job was just a diversion? created only to muddy waters?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4591296
If my job was a diversion, it would probably be the most expensive diversion in they history of mankind. So my guess is no.

ok, so I will add what I know to the thread.
1. pheromones exist for humans, can be synthesized and work. in small doses.
2. we are very chemical and effected by chemicals around us. I have had a kid regress after vaccination and then also be cured through biomedical intervention with diet and supplements. Homeopathy works.
3. people at the top are idiots..
so given what I know for 1, 2 and 3.. this story is not completely implausible.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4591296
As much as I have tried to keep this thread on topic, I would like to throw in my two cents on homeopathy...any "results" achieved by homeopathy are a placebo effect at best. I'm not going to get into an argument about this, although I'm sure more than one person on these forums would be willing to. I'm just giving my opinion.

Do you think the "calming agents" are the cause of chronic fatigue syndrome?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1015504
Don't know much about CFS, but from what I've read, it's quite possible.
I meant to add that some of the symptoms are eerily similar to what we saw in trial animals.

(from page 11) Can you expand on this please? What symptoms would have been seen in trial animals?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6383062
General malaise, ineffective sleep cycles, orthostatic instability, mood swings, to name a few.

do chemtrails have magnetic properties?
Hpw are they affected when mouns bombard them?
Are chemtrails stable? will they break down after exposer?
Do they need to be kept at a certain temperature until released?
is flouride found in them?
are they released in the planes engine with fuel vapor, or seperate holding tanks?
Why is it that I don't see a release valve on planes? Why don't I see chemicals being loaded onto the plane at the airport?
Do you subject your chemicals to electro magnetic radiation?
How long ago where chemtrails introduced?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7916217
Magnetic properties: Not intentionally.
Stable/break down after exposure: Our projects covered pretty much the whole spectrum in this department. Some chemicals were meant to degrade within 48 hours of deployment. Others were meant to persist in the environment for up to a year.
Temperature: In some cases, yes, storage temperature and pressure were very important.
Fluoride: In the reduced anion form of fluorine (F-)? No.
Are chemtrails released in engines with fuel vapor or separate tanks: None of the projects we ever worked on were intended to be mixed with jet fuel. Everything we developed was meant for standalone deployment.
Why can't you see release valves on planes/see people loading chemicals: No clue. I never played a role in deployment methods. Anything I could offer would be pure speculation.
Did we subject our chemicals to electromagnetic radiation: No.
How long ago were chemtrails introduced: I answered this earlier. In short - crop dusting was routine by the 1930s. My guess is that it didn't take long for people with power and money to realize that the same methods could be used on people rather than plants. This is also speculation - I wasn't alive in the 1930s.

Op: Why now? Why did you decide to 'somewhat' disclose now? In 2012? I mean, with all that is happening around the world, economies collapsing, governments out of control including our own, the military industrial complex in full swing, the weaponization of space. The list goes on and on.
It's like you know something, or at the very least dread something awful is about to happen. How lucky for you that you have situated yourself in a somewhat safe place - does this mean you are planning on surviving some catastrophe? Would your speaking up a few years ago have made a difference? I believe it would have.
You say 'good luck' with going after the government - is this because of the hidden government? If enough of the populace all around the world united for this cause, then things could change, no? Or, are you disclosing now because we have passed a point of no return and it doesn't much matter for you anymore?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1337468
I chose to disclose now because I only found out about the GLP forums within the past year. Until then, I had not found any public forum that might believe what I had to say. I think you are over dramatizing things.

OP: is there some food/substance that could help us neutralize, restore balance to our body chemistry (and well being in general) after being affected by chemtrails (i know you were doing lots of different mixes)?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8428733
Not that I can think of. Try not to waste your money on so called "de-tox" kits - 99% of these are complete bullshit.

OP I have a question?
Would you say the affects of the agents you were delivering too humans would cause symptoms of illness that then could be "cured/symptoms reduced" by another agent like a (pharmaceutical)?
Also related did you ever work on projects that would cause reactions based on specific chemicals in blood?
if say for instance someone was on certain pharmacy drugs or even illegal drugs, like THC?
Quoting: Fallen
ADCs causing symptoms that could be "cured/reduced" by another agent: Very possible.
Projects causing reactions based on specific chemicals in blood: Yes. Not for anything related to illegal drugs as you suggested, though.

OP you said in the beginning of the post that these chemicals could be inhaled, absorbed, or ingested, my question is, are they only being sprayed? What I mean by that is, is it possible that some of these chemicals are being put in our food, water supply, or possibly even put into lotions and other products that people are using?
Just seems that there are so many ways to get these chemicals into our bodies.
Scary
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8435408
Every chemical mixture my laboratory worked on was meant to be deployed aerially. In some cases, however, bodies of water were the target rather than direct contact with humans.

Hi OP, you said in a earlier post that if you used moisturizer or hand lotion, your skin will become dependent on it.
How do you break such a dependency? Just stop using it? But will your skin return to normal eventually, or is it forever fucked?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8438832
Hello. I suppose this was sort of off topic when I posted it, and I only remembered this tidbit from an undergraduate biology course. But from what I understand, abstaining from further use of lotions will eventually lead to your skin producing its own natural oils. But your skin will be dry for quite some time after quitting. However, you can find some products that will not cause this effect in the first place.

Is there a 'detox' for the chemicals you are are aware of that you could advise?
Thnx.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1273422
Not that I know of, no. Most detox kits I've read about say they will purge your colon, remove THC from your adipose tissue, etc. In other words, they all target specific chemicals in specific tissues. In general, these are actually more effective than kits that promise some sort of miracle "full body detox". But as far as protecting/detoxing against the multitude of chemicals you may be exposed to...no, nothing comes to mind.

(from page 11) Can you expand on this please? What symptoms of CFS would have been seen in trial animals?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6383062
General malaise, ineffective sleep cycles, orthostatic instability, mood swings, to name a few.

so youre just trying to piss off the general public now?? ok I believe you there are less expensive ways...have your people call mine
Quoting: exiled1
These are all described symptoms of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome that we saw in test animals during trials of this project. I'm not sure I understand what you're saying.
Since you are up to this page on replies...

What did you think of your colleagues given the knowledge of what you were creating together?
Cheers.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1273422
What was initially a very awkward work environment eventually gave way to the general sense of professional camaraderie found in most offices. I probably thought no less of my co-workers than they did of me. When I first started, it was at the same time as a few others in their late twenties/early thirties. At that time, there were also a handful of people in their fifties - we looked up to them. They strode the lab like giants. As I eventually filled that role, and when a new group of twenty-somethings was hired, the role reversal felt interesting.
Sorry, I might have gone off on a tangent from your original question. I had respect for nearly all of my colleagues.

This is some bored 30 something dork dude without a date drinking enough mountain dew to dissolve a manatee while lapping up some attention.
Glad you got it man....we all deserve to get what we want...and I guess these suckers on your string are getting what they want too!
Live it up dude...chemtrails are real...but I don't believe you have anything to do with 'em!
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8332850
That's fine. You're absolutely entitled to your opinion. It's not like I've never met such skepticism when attempting to explain my career. And yes, I used to live in a city. Now I live in a cabin. I moved out here two months after retirement. Hardly see any planes now. It's nice. And I further explained my views on so-called "detox kits" in a later post. Please read it.

OP, what do you do to protect yourself from the effects of chemtrails?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8399248
I live in a remote area. That is all
Hardly a diversion.
Much can be learned from failed lab assignment results, just as with successful lab asignments.

The 'non-toxicity' sounds legit as well during the nascent development stage of a new technology. You don't want human populations running to the ER's citywide, or freaking out with psych attacks in the middle of the street during (the inevitable) trial deployments over cities.
I'd guess this OP's lab(one of many compartmentalized) was in business to help R&D the 'system' of ADC deployment for some agency(mr. big). Sure OP did projects for paying clients because corp's write this off as R&D $, they get a useful(profit to them) chemical, and maybe the 'agency' gets another ADC step forward.
In as much as the OP's lab got paid generously for it's ADC development, I often wonder what the city of Chicago is getting reimbursed for actual human trials over it's population of 10 million.
Quoting: uscrusader1

is it possible your job was just a diversion? created only to muddy waters?
If my job was a diversion, it would probably be the most expensive diversion in they history of mankind. So my guess is no.

fwiw, ADC chems are bad, biologicals are worse.
With 10,000,000 germs per gram a .03 gallon per acre dosage would result in 1 germ per cubic foot of air... from ground level to 30,000 feet!
flu anyone?
[This is hypothetical, of course. We were never asked to include any such markers in our final products. But for the sake of the hypothetical situation, it could either be inhaled or absorbed through skin, and you would definitely not want it to send people to the ER. Not if you want the entire city ending up in the ER.
I think I mentioned this before - 0.03 gallons is an irrelevant number, given how much the concentration of the primary compound in a final mixture can vary. But yes, for some of the more concentrated mixtures, this figure is plausible.

I spent 17 years developing various chemicals for Chemtrails - ask me almost anything.
OP, you may have answered before. . . .please excuse me if you have. . . In a recent GLP Poll . . . (see below) almost 54% of the voters feel that CHEMTRAILs are persistent while contrails are not. . . In Your Opinion. . . Could the addition of the class of chemicals you worked with . . .make any of the visible trails from aircraft more persistent. . . if so, would the persistence have been significant? . . .
If you have already answered the above question or something similar . . . Could I ask you. . . How would you have voted in the poll below?
POLL: CHEMTRAILs are what???
4) CHEMTRAILs are persistent trails, contrails are not persistent 53.8% (133)
2) all trails in the sky are contrails, CHEMTRAILs don't exist 17.4% (43)
3) some trails in the sky are CHEMTRAILs but most trails are contrails 14.2% (35)
5) CHEMTRAILs nor contrails need be visible, visibility is coincidental 6.9% (17)
1) all trails in the sky are CHEMTRAILs, contrails are a subset of contrails 5.7% (14)
6) CHEMTRAILs are very rare but are occasionally seen 2.0% (5)
Blank (View Results) (58)
Non-Blank Votes: 247
Quoting: George B
I would have answered #3 and #5 - the two are not mutually exclusive. Answer #4 is a common misconception. Answer #2 is a naive denial. Answer #1 is simply not true. Answer #6 is overly optimistic.

Hello OP, and thank you for answering questions related to your career.
I have one question.
Could/would you think back through all the chemical products your lab was asked to create/test and list a simplified chart of
1. the chemical name
2. the intended effect
3. successful or not
If you feel this would identify you then please disregard the request.
And the old woman inside me can't help but offer you a last comment. Please accept it for consideration.
All humans on earth are guilty of our own ignorance. None have been fully informed.
Quoting: soulsurvivor
Sorry, but creating such a compilation and releasing it publicly would go way too far beyond the level of specificity that I feel comfortable with.

Hello,
The people or organization that funded this work seems very private and have have alot of resources. Your shop doesn't sound cheap even being one so small.
Also it is reassuring that the scientists had some ethics regarding working on project that would overtly do harmful.
The work and interactions with the customer seems so compartmentalized as well. Also seems to aid plausible dependability. Especially when it seems the work were not FDA approved and such. Did did you ever wonder about these factors? It all seems to spit on 'knowledge is power' to some level.
Were any research data and records ever available to aid future projects? I imagine aspects from past research would be helpful.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502821
There were cases where it was blatantly obvious that we were being contracted by people who had employed us in the past. Even to the point of them giving us our old lab notebooks from previous projects back, if they thought they would help with the newer project. But in most cases, we could only use retained knowledge from previous projects to help us with similar projects in the future.
No - we never heard results about any of our products. Probably related to plausible deniability. We could only speculate as to final results based on our animal trials.
Al2O3 - No.
Advice - Please see earlier in the thread. I realize this has drawn on pretty long and it might be hard to find that specific response, so I'll give you a brief answer. I'm pretty pessimistic about "getting this stopped". Writing a letter to your congressman isn't going to help. Going to the media isn't going to help unless you have solid, undeniable proof.
Goodnight all. Not sure why I came back here, even after I said I was done. But I'm not sorry that I have.
Judging by my employment experience, the people contracting our work go through great lengths to keep what they do hidden from the general public. Extreme amounts of compartmentalization, even by industry standards. I highly doubt many, if any, congressmen know. I would also speculate that only the upper echelon of the military is aware, if that.
Yes, I know for a fact that some of my co-workers felt extremely guilty. Especially over time. Even more guilty than myself.
There must be people who are aware of what they are doing that load/service these systems of aircraft. I do not know any such people, but it seems like they must exist.
Yes, I currently smoke Marijuana. I grow it myself. I have no clue as to whether it's reported medicinal properties are true, although from what I've read, raw ingestion is not the way to go. It makes me feel good and helps me forget the past.
Yes, we worked on products involving anti-depressant effects. These projects were generally easy - most of the time we would use chemicals similar if not identical to prescription medications, and merely adapt them to aerial dispersal.
That's my plan (checking back from time to time). I've jumped back and forth between abandoning this thread because of the numerous tangents that have spun off, as well as hateful posts directed at me. But there are still relevant questions being asked. So I will probably continue to lurk and answer questions that I feel are worthwhile.
On certain mixtures, temperature can play a major role. But we never designed chemicals with certain climates in mind.
Wind patterns can be used to aid dispersal. I.e. deploying a more concentrated mixture when there is a lot of wind between dispersal level and ground level will enhance dispersion but lower end point concentration. But in the end it is up to the contractor as far as when, where, and under what conditions they use our products.
I don't want to get in to the details of the details of the most dangerous compound we gave final approval on. It wasn't extremely toxic by any means, but it still bothered me that we didn't declare it a failure.
Yes, we conducted all animal trials in house. Symptoms/results varied greatly depending on the project at hand. Some results took minutes to manifest. Others, nearly the entire lifetime of the test animal.
All tests were conducted using aerosol dispersion of the mixture, as this is how it would be deployed in the field.
Fatal effects were common. If these fatal effects were too common, despite attempts to rectify these effects, the project would be declared a failure. Yes, our first route following fatal trials would be to decrease dosage and observe whether we still obtained the desired effects without the previous levels of fatality.
We never worked on anything that I would want utilized on me without my knowledge.
Do I think anyone important has seen this thread? I don't know.
Do I think people in charge monitor this site? I don't know. To some extent, I hope not.
Do I worry about my safety? Sometimes, yes. Most of the time no. My life has been an adventure. It is out of my hands to determine when it ends.
Millions/billions: The investment of our contractors, per project, was likely somewhere between eight or nine figures ($10,000,000 to $999,999,999).
Yes, it was made very clear to us from day one that "going public" would not be in our best interest. This was extremely stressful at first, but these stress levels actually decreased the longer we worked at our lab. They started to increase again as I neared retirement, but this proved to be unfounded.
Yes, I can think of a few colleagues of mine that did indeed have families that knew some details of what they did for a living, and wanted them to consider a change in career. Sorry, just realized I misread your question. But, yes, many of my colleagues worried that the mixtures they developed might end up being used on their loved ones.
Time to hit the sack. AC 459 has asked some very good questions, some which I haven't answered yet. I'll try to get to these tomorrow. Good night all

let this be a taste for others working in the chem business....
this is what will happen to you...
you will end up...addicted to alcohol and speaking to all the people you helped torment...unwillingly i might add...
a surrealist purgatory..
a prep of things to come....when you get to the other side...
karma...
Quoting: mr...bojangles

I doubt all roads involving a degree in chemistry end like mine.
Haven't checked this in a few days...anyone have anymore new or original questions? Or should we call this thing dead.

It's nice to see that there is some genuine appreciation for what I've been doing on this message board. It seems like replies have been split between people telling me I'm going to hell, people calling me a fraud, and people with genuine interest in my past.

Never had any interactions with US military. If they ever contracted the services of our lab, I never knew. Like I've said in previous posts, the entire system was extremely compartmentalized. Never had any clue who we were conducting research for.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if foreign militaries were looking into the same sort of research that we were conducting for our contractors.
No one outside of our small group of employees were ever in our lab, except for a few exceptions. Never any politicians. I'd imagine that would be quite a risk for them, especially given the number of security cameras we had in the lab.

Interesting that the guy(in the video) looking for funding this was going to use the flu as the carrier. With a minimum of 10 million virus per gram - ADC coverage/density would be at least 1 virus per cu foot of air, to 30,000 feet altitude.
Pentagon Eugenics Alter DNA to breed out Religious impulses via FunVax Vaccinations and Aerosol Spraying
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 502821
OP,
Sound about right? Can you add any more details or speculation.
I'll have to watch the video first. Also, I'm not sure why you keep asking me register on this site. Do you have an ulterior motive?

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