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Proof the VA does not give a fuck about vets

 
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387,000 died waiting for care out of 800,000
22-30 suicide a day
100 accidental deaths a day ... my guess

Now please find out the VAMC mortality rates while you're at it. They are hidden even from the CDC. I researched it myself.
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There isn't anything the vets can do to rectify this problem. The government has made it nearly impossible to sue for malpractices damages. I've been in the system for a number of years and things went downhill after Obama was elected.

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I am filing a tort, that is only only way to get paid for damages done.
Finding an attorney is near impossible.
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Many people are on the fence about supporting vets.
While many of the vets are well meaning citizens and deserve all the help they can get the military doesn't care to filter the bad vets from the good vets.
Without filtering them as heros or despicable people and separating the cream from the curd too many people are beginning to just not care about the group as a whole.

This all began shortly after Vietnam.
The problem? I'll explain.

You see when anyone during their military service commits a sex offense against another soldier or even a foreign child or person the military handles it internally, secretly keeping the facts from American civilians.

While people froth at the mouth over a civilian Sex offender or Pedo they will never find out which vets are good wholesome people and which vets are offenders.

The vet that just got a free new house, the vet that lives right next door to you or maybe even under your roof might be a sex offender and you will never know about it until it is too late.

Too many people are awake now to the facts and until the "good vets" also join in to out the offenders records and demand them to become public (like listed on your local pedophile/offender web sites to mother's can protect their children... Too many people now look down on all vets as a whole.

Everyone should write their congressman and demand the bed vets be filtered out and posted as offenders so the good vets can be helped and praised as they deserve.
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Apparently you know a Pedo Vet. That sucks
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The VA actively tries to kill vets.
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yes!
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REVOLUTION
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as if anymore was ever needed.

but yeah...

less than fifty..just the start and finish, but the meat of the story is at the link. No fury at this...just a pissed off resignation that the endless battle is truly against the bullshit red tape and utter indifference of bureaucracy.

The Department of Veterans Affairs is suspending the head of the Veterans Benefits Administration for allowing two lower-ranking officials to manipulate the agency's hiring system for their own gain.

Deputy VA Secretary Sloan Gibson says acting VBA chief Danny Pummill will be suspended without pay for 15 days for his role in a relocation scam that has roiled the agency for months.

Pummill failed to exercise proper oversight as Kimberly Graves and Diana Rubens forced lower-ranking managers to accept job transfers and then stepped into the vacant positions themselves, keeping their senior-level pay while reducing their responsibilities, Gibson said Tuesday.

Pummill is one of VA's five highest-ranking officials and leads VBA's employees across 56 regional offices nationwide that provide compensation and pension benefits, life insurance, home loans and other services to millions of veterans.



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Accountability at the VA "is almost non-existent," Miller said. "One thing is clear: this dysfunctional status quo will never change until we eliminate arcane civil service rules that put the job security of VA bureaucrats ahead of the veterans they are charged with serving."

[link to www.wtol.com]
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And how can it be changed? petitions? getting reps involved?
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This is beyond politics at this point, and I don't know if there is a political solution.

In 1932, WWI veterans and their families went to DC and camped out on the lawn..

in the end, the Army was brought out against them to force them to leave and some were killed.

for many years, the military and veterans administration has been using people as involunatary human guinea pigs and chalking it up to 'national security'.

In reality, it's about corporations and 'trade secrets' and patents and copyrights more than anything else, and that is just pathetic.

the pharmaeceutical companies shouldn't be what dictates what drugs a veteran takes but they are. that and budget and policy considerations.

since when did policy matter more to a doctor than the health of the patient?

it seems like since they started getting those checks from the govt to do VA work. and no, it doesn't matter if the check is a large one or small one, not to doctors trying to pay off medical loans and some that can no longer qualify for malpractice insurance because they have so many black marks against them.

the va system is a CESSPOOL.
 Quoting: jesskeira Kadwalladeyr


Agreed....my wife (26 yr disabled vet) has had a huge problem...3 yrs after retirement and we are still waiting for appointments....to be that jacked up, you have to do it on purpose...it's way beyond incompetence
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as if anymore was ever needed.

but yeah...

less than fifty..just the start and finish, but the meat of the story is at the link. No fury at this...just a pissed off resignation that the endless battle is truly against the bullshit red tape and utter indifference of bureaucracy.

The Department of Veterans Affairs is suspending the head of the Veterans Benefits Administration for allowing two lower-ranking officials to manipulate the agency's hiring system for their own gain.

Deputy VA Secretary Sloan Gibson says acting VBA chief Danny Pummill will be suspended without pay for 15 days for his role in a relocation scam that has roiled the agency for months.

Pummill failed to exercise proper oversight as Kimberly Graves and Diana Rubens forced lower-ranking managers to accept job transfers and then stepped into the vacant positions themselves, keeping their senior-level pay while reducing their responsibilities, Gibson said Tuesday.

Pummill is one of VA's five highest-ranking officials and leads VBA's employees across 56 regional offices nationwide that provide compensation and pension benefits, life insurance, home loans and other services to millions of veterans.



and..

Accountability at the VA "is almost non-existent," Miller said. "One thing is clear: this dysfunctional status quo will never change until we eliminate arcane civil service rules that put the job security of VA bureaucrats ahead of the veterans they are charged with serving."

[link to www.wtol.com]
 Quoting: jesskeira Kadwalladeyr


Alot of you know I'm a service connected disabled vet. Absolutely nothing I read about the VA surprises me anymore.

Trump's willingness to tear the mother fucker down and start from scratch is his primary appeal for me. The rest of his positions are just icing on the cake.

Fuck the VA and fuck the rest of the political zoo that refuses to talk about this issue.
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This is beyond politics at this point, and I don't know if there is a political solution.

In 1932, WWI veterans and their families went to DC and camped out on the lawn..

in the end, the Army was brought out against them to force them to leave and some were killed.

for many years, the military and veterans administration has been using people as involunatary human guinea pigs and chalking it up to 'national security'.

In reality, it's about corporations and 'trade secrets' and patents and copyrights more than anything else, and that is just pathetic.

the pharmaeceutical companies shouldn't be what dictates what drugs a veteran takes but they are. that and budget and policy considerations.

since when did policy matter more to a doctor than the health of the patient?

it seems like since they started getting those checks from the govt to do VA work. and no, it doesn't matter if the check is a large one or small one, not to doctors trying to pay off medical loans and some that can no longer qualify for malpractice insurance because they have so many black marks against them.

the va system is a CESSPOOL.
 Quoting: jesskeira Kadwalladeyr


wow - didn't know that

some book/books I may find more about this in?
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This is beyond politics at this point, and I don't know if there is a political solution.

In 1932, WWI veterans and their families went to DC and camped out on the lawn..

in the end, the Army was brought out against them to force them to leave and some were killed.

for many years, the military and veterans administration has been using people as involunatary human guinea pigs and chalking it up to 'national security'.

In reality, it's about corporations and 'trade secrets' and patents and copyrights more than anything else, and that is just pathetic.

the pharmaeceutical companies shouldn't be what dictates what drugs a veteran takes but they are. that and budget and policy considerations.

since when did policy matter more to a doctor than the health of the patient?

it seems like since they started getting those checks from the govt to do VA work. and no, it doesn't matter if the check is a large one or small one, not to doctors trying to pay off medical loans and some that can no longer qualify for malpractice insurance because they have so many black marks against them.

the va system is a CESSPOOL.

VETERANS MARCH ON WASHINGTON, DC 1932


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 Quoting: jesskeira Kadwalladeyr


Well said.

cheers

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It doesn't matter any way. You get my point. I see your struggle. Jessica wants us to listen. We listen. But that accomplishes nothing. Absolutely nothing.
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oh bullshit.

if one veteran feels listened to, maybe that one veteran will be less prone to want to go and jump of a bridge today.

I think that's fuckig worth it for that reason alone.
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You missed my point, I listen, to everyone. With empathy. I was speaking along the lines of creating real change in the bigger issue
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so am I, in a way.

if instead of 22 to 26 veterans a day commiting suicide if they all marched en masse to dc or camped out on the lawns at va medical centers and protesting until there was concrete and visible change..

but it also takes individuals who want to be involved enough on a personal level to stop one suicidal vet, too.

micro/macro and all that.
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Most vets need someone to actively police their care. Doggedly getting appointments, reading what the meds do and finding out interactions, questioning everything and playing their game to win.

The majority of vets won't do this for themselves.
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This is beyond politics at this point, and I don't know if there is a political solution.

In 1932, WWI veterans and their families went to DC and camped out on the lawn..

in the end, the Army was brought out against them to force them to leave and some were killed.

for many years, the military and veterans administration has been using people as involunatary human guinea pigs and chalking it up to 'national security'.

In reality, it's about corporations and 'trade secrets' and patents and copyrights more than anything else, and that is just pathetic.

the pharmaeceutical companies shouldn't be what dictates what drugs a veteran takes but they are. that and budget and policy considerations.

since when did policy matter more to a doctor than the health of the patient?

it seems like since they started getting those checks from the govt to do VA work. and no, it doesn't matter if the check is a large one or small one, not to doctors trying to pay off medical loans and some that can no longer qualify for malpractice insurance because they have so many black marks against them.

the va system is a CESSPOOL.
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wow - didn't know that

some book/books I may find more about this in?
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here you go. I think something like this, if done right, could possibly be effective today, but only if it is bipartisan and goes beyond politics as usual. And maybe with hopefully a better and more peaceful and positive resolution.

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Most vets need someone to actively police their care. Doggedly getting appointments, reading what the meds do and finding out interactions, questioning everything and playing their game to win.

The majority of vets won't do this for themselves.
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or simply can't.
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[link to www.freerepublic.com]

according to this, a VA worker was arrested for armed robbery, convicted and then fired and reinstated by the union.

The grounds for reinstatement? another VA employee was a sex offender but was hired anyway.

from the article


When veterans at the Puerto Rico VA hospital come to the social work department seeking counseling and guidance, the secretary greeting them, Elizabeth Rivera Rivera, will be wearing a GPS monitor ankle bracelet, a condition of her probation.

break

Employees said the union demanded her job back and pointed out that Tito Santiago Martinez, the management-side labor relations specialist in Puerto Rico, who is in charge of dealing with the union and employee discipline, is a convicted sex offender. Martinez reportedly disclosed his conviction to the hospital and VA hired him anyway, reasoning that “there’s no children in [the hospital], so they figure I could not harm anyone here.”

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Been using the VA since '96 and have never had a problem.
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Been using the VA since '96 and have never had a problem.
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and neither have I, but there is more to it than your personal situation.
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Yeah, Im pretty verbal when it comes to the VA.
They turning more and more crappy everyday...
I dont care how much cheaper it is for you. I would use them ONLY if you absolutely have to.

A regional rep told me "be careful what you say. They will kill you" Thats true for the whole medical field.
The next Bubble that needs popping....medical...then the Fed.
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Been using the VA since '96 and have never had a problem.
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and neither have I, but there is more to it than your personal situation.
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Yeah there are a lot of variables there. My VA experiences have varied from region to region, and until very recently I've had no complaints ... Personally I will be using Veteran's Choice from here on out, even though the red tape and hoops are just as daunting as the ineptitude one finds at the actual VA hospitals.

Best of luck to all of you ... and thank you for your service ixe and sacrifices!
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My dad was 100% disabled, agent orange exposed Vietnam vet. He was dropped from the transplant list 2 weeks before surgery because he tested positive for pot.
He died 8 weeks later

Fuck-em, fuck-em all

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Tell me about it, my dad served in WW2 and is trying to get a benefit at the moment......well still waiting a YEAR later. They want them to die first, they will both turn 91 this summer.
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I'm 91 myself...i gave up....God blessed me with good health...but when I did try to use the VA in the 50's....well it was God awful then
I thank them for their service
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It's the civil service that weighs down the VA...

...you just can't fire the deadbeats and they demoralized the 'normal and motivated pros' the first come on board.
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Maybe the Chairman of the Senate Arms Services Committee (SASC), Senator John McCain, will explain to the world how all that happened.

The Committee on Armed Services (sometimes abbreviated SASC for Senate Armed Services Committee) is a committee of the United States Senate empowered with legislative oversight of the nation’s military, including the Department of Defense, military research and development, nuclear energy (as pertaining to national security), benefits for members of the military, the Selective Service System, and other matters related to defense policy.

As the lead person responsible for legislative oversight of military policy (writing the laws that govern military activity), McCain’s also responsible for how veterans are cared for (military personnel benefits includes the VA), etc. The buck stops with John McCain and his SASC on so many things.

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They poison the drinking water at va hospitals to that make even more sick and die. There was an article on it yesterday on shtfplan that someone had an independant lab test the waster they give vets at a hospital in conneticut and it had all kinds of shit in it . :(
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[link to www.freerepublic.com]

according to this, a VA worker was arrested for armed robbery, convicted and then fired and reinstated by the union.

The grounds for reinstatement? another VA employee was a sex offender but was hired anyway.

from the article


When veterans at the Puerto Rico VA hospital come to the social work department seeking counseling and guidance, the secretary greeting them, Elizabeth Rivera Rivera, will be wearing a GPS monitor ankle bracelet, a condition of her probation.

break

Employees said the union demanded her job back and pointed out that Tito Santiago Martinez, the management-side labor relations specialist in Puerto Rico, who is in charge of dealing with the union and employee discipline, is a convicted sex offender. Martinez reportedly disclosed his conviction to the hospital and VA hired him anyway, reasoning that “there’s no children in [the hospital], so they figure I could not harm anyone here.”
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no, but women are veterans too. That's okay, our EEO officer when I was in was a rapist. It's par for the course.

there is absolutely zero acountability. that is what needs to change.
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i want to know why the VA drug tests the janitors but not the supervisors of the janitors?

check out USAJOBS sometime the requirements for these minimum wage type jobs at the VA are pretty funny


the VA is pretty corrupt and inept LOL
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The VA actively tries to kill vets.
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yes!
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This.
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They poison the drinking water at va hospitals to that make even more sick and die. There was an article on it yesterday on shtfplan that someone had an independant lab test the waster they give vets at a hospital in conneticut and it had all kinds of shit in it . :(
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Even if the poisoning is not deliberate, there is so much negiglence in basic maintenance that it is criminal and has cost lives.

just do a search online of the many cases of legionnaires outbreaks at various va facilities across the country.

the problem is people are more worried about covering their ass and protecting their jobs and filling out the right forms in the right way on the computer screen than actually giving a shit about the human being they are supposed to be caring for.

and it shows.
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Ridiculous. Needs a complete overhaul
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and the "overhaul" needs an overhaul!

Bottom line is the Choice program is broken," Sen. Jon Tester, D-Mont., said this month. "We need to fix it and we need to fix it as soon as possible."

Democrats and Republicans are pushing through reforms to the program, which many now admit was hastily passed back in 2014. The law mandated a complicated new health system but gave the VA just 90 days to create it.

The VA turned to outside health care administrators for help, which VA Secretary Bob McDonald says was a primary flaw.

"In my opinion, that was the big mistake with the original Choice act," McDonald told a Senate hearing this month. "We just outsourced customer service to the third-party providers. We would literally just give the veteran a number to call. And that's just not right."


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take a number. boy does that sound familiar. or don't call us, we'll call you. or 'hold please'. It's all the same runaround in the end.

more of the article:

Congress and the VA now agree the system is so confusing that vets, doctors and even the VA itself can't use it well.

Small ran into another problem typical of the program: One of the clinics he had an appointment for stopped accepting Choice patients because the VA has been so slow to reimburse providers.

Choice tried sending him to a clinic that didn't offer the right therapy, and to another that was so far away that he might have just have easily driven 50 miles to the VA in Baltimore.

Wait times — the problem the VA was trying to fix — have actually increased under Choice, though the VA says that's because so many vets are using it.


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