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Message Subject Who are the Older and Younger Sons in the Parable of the Prodigal Son?
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BTW, the first Israel was the man Jacob Isaac Abraham.. who get another name, an alias, an a.k.a. and that name was Israel. So the name would be like Jacob Israel Isaac Abraham, descendant of Eber (Hebrew), descendant of Shem, descendant of Noah, descendant of Adam.

The 1st Israel then is Jacob.

By the blessing of Jacob (a.k.a. Israel) he confers his name, Israel, upon Ephraim. This is a 2nd Israel.

And then there is that of the sons of Jacob (a.ka. Israel) that become called the sons of Israel.

And then in the Exodus we see the descendants of the same twelve sons of Israel (a.k.a., Jacob) being termed or called the Children of Israel (or Descendants of Israel).

Then going into the Land of Canaan we have much later descendants of Israel (a.k.a. Jacob) and these later form what is known as the Kingdom of Israel under Saul, David, and Solomon. These too are called simply, Israel, many times.

One of the challenges is to discern when the term, Israel, is speaking of Ephraim Joseph Jacob Isaac Abraham. Or whether it is speaking of the later divided kingdom that gets called then, The Kingdom of Israel (in contrast to the Kingdom of Judah). It tasks much diligent to discern and parse out just which meaning of that term, Israel, is referring to.

FWIW the phrase, "the Land of Israel" (in contrast to the phrase "the Land of Canaan") is under in the Scriptures themselves but 31 time in total 31 verses (explicitly so).

I will grant that the Plymouth Colony and the Jamestown Colony were both founded by those that professed to be Christians. But 1620 (in the case of Plymouth, e.g.,) is 156 years before the 1776 "American Revolution". Much had changed in the land that would become the 13 colonies and the first 13 United States.

I observe that there is something like the doctrine of British Israelism in this discussion when people start talking about "America" or the United States of America as being either "of the tribe of Manasseh" or "Jacob". It smells like the so called Jacobians of England that instigated the French Revolutionary War. This same doctrine purports that English is of the Tribe of Ephraim and thereby holds the Birth Right to the Land of Canaan... as Land Lords, but not Kings (throne of David of the Tribe of Judah, as Judah was having the Scepter of ruling over the People of Israel rather than being the ruler of the Lands.

There are many different meanings of that term "Israel" in the both the New and Old Testaments... and it is all to easy to confuse them.
 
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