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Veteran beat up by cops after calling VA suicide hotline for help

 
JessKira Kadwalladyr  (OP)

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sometimes it's just knowing that nothing that was done ever really made a difference..

and many vets just feel that everyone wants them to shut up and go away and not talk about or show their pain.


it's how I feel.

except since I'm female, it's worse cus it's then labeled "self pity".

only male vets that were 'combat decorated' seem to deserve even that much. to be as messed up as they are.

maybe his family just thought he needed 'tough love'..or 'professional help' or to 'take his meds'???

who knows. Maybe they made the mistake he did. The mistake I made. The mistake of trusting the promises they were made and trusting the system itself.

and the system is fucking evil to the core, I will say that.

but the people defending it or relying on it..

they are the problem too. because they don't see that by stepping back and allowing it to continue they are part of it too.

me, I'm just getting sick of it all, but won't do anything that would get me NEAR a VA or a cop.

there are other ways.
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that's just it in a nutshell. There are no resources except law enforcement. THAT IS IT.

It used to be there were places to have veterans go like nursing homes, and not just for old people. But to rest or to convalesce from 'shell shock'.

today we just harm them and kill them. or abandon them.

there ARE no resources. if there ever were.

drugging and tasing and beating..

he's lucky he's not a woman, or would have run the risk of being raped too.

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sometimes it's just knowing that nothing that was done ever really made a difference..

and many vets just feel that everyone wants them to shut up and go away and not talk about or show their pain.


it's how I feel.

except since I'm female, it's worse cus it's then labeled "self pity".

only male vets that were 'combat decorated' seem to deserve even that much. to be as messed up as they are.

maybe his family just thought he needed 'tough love'..or 'professional help' or to 'take his meds'???

who knows. Maybe they made the mistake he did. The mistake I made. The mistake of trusting the promises they were made and trusting the system itself.

and the system is fucking evil to the core, I will say that.

but the people defending it or relying on it..

they are the problem too. because they don't see that by stepping back and allowing it to continue they are part of it too.

me, I'm just getting sick of it all, but won't do anything that would get me NEAR a VA or a cop.

there are other ways.
 Quoting: JessKira Kadwalladyr

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JessKira Kadwalladyr  (OP)

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04/11/2016 08:43 PM
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too many veterans are murdered. it just goes by the name of suicide.

too many veterans have 'friends' that really don't give a flying fuck how suicidal they are..if they don't want to hear it..another veteran dies.

another statistic.
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too many veterans are murdered. it just goes by the name of suicide.

too many veterans have 'friends' that really don't give a flying fuck how suicidal they are..if they don't want to hear it..another veteran dies.

another statistic.
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not just veterans
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Whiskey Tango Foxtrot

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This may piss people off but I dint hate what they did. If it was one of my buddies I guess I would rather see him roughed up and alive other than dead. I have friends that felt suicide was the only option and it hurts me. If that was one of my guys I would go try to restrain him myself. This vet was bad off enough fir the VA to be called for a home visit so we really dint know if others were in danger also. The cops did this because that's what cops do. Once upon a time they only hired cops with enough intelligence and common sense to talk a man down. Now a large portion of cops are stupid. That is truth. They are not smart at all. And they have been out into the position of dealing with life for other people. Stupid people always implode under pressure.

However there is also a side of me that believes if this man was not a danger to others, and truly beyond help, then he has earned the right to end his life if he wants to. We all had a pact that we wouldn't let each other come home as a burden to our loved ones. That is part of the life he chose and he earned the right to see it through. It seems the VA may be at fault here because I would assume that falls under medical and is hippa protected. I must be wrong.
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Certain things, they should stay the way they are. You ought to be able to stick them in one of those big glass cases and just leave them alone.
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Try to get your dog to attack a cop, that's going to happen.
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yeah, I have a dog that is docile and sweet and friendly..but the breed makes her judged at times.
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Pit owner = idiot owner of a vicious dog.
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wouldnt it be cool if they sent hookers to cheer up the depressed
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Dude, this would seriously solve a lot of problems; companionship. Natural oxytocin. Just a nice woman to even pretend to care or listen would make ALL the difference in the world. I used to joke that it was too bad the doc couldn't perscribe me a girlfriend. But alas like all good things, some satanic asshole had to make the fundamentals of life illegal. World's oldest profession got us all this far, and now we ban it. Madness.
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wouldnt it be cool if they sent hookers to cheer up the depressed
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Dude, this would seriously solve a lot of problems; companionship. Natural oxytocin. Just a nice woman to even pretend to care or listen would make ALL the difference in the world. I used to joke that it was too bad the doc couldn't perscribe me a girlfriend. But alas like all good things, some satanic asshole had to make the fundamentals of life illegal. World's oldest profession got us all this far, and now we ban it. Madness.
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How does that work for female soldiers that were raped?
JessKira Kadwalladyr  (OP)

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Re: Veteran beat up by cops after calling VA suicide hotline for help
This may piss people off but I dint hate what they did. If it was one of my buddies I guess I would rather see him roughed up and alive other than dead. I have friends that felt suicide was the only option and it hurts me. If that was one of my guys I would go try to restrain him myself. This vet was bad off enough fir the VA to be called for a home visit so we really dint know if others were in danger also. The cops did this because that's what cops do. Once upon a time they only hired cops with enough intelligence and common sense to talk a man down. Now a large portion of cops are stupid. That is truth. They are not smart at all. And they have been out into the position of dealing with life for other people. Stupid people always implode under pressure.

However there is also a side of me that believes if this man was not a danger to others, and truly beyond help, then he has earned the right to end his life if he wants to. We all had a pact that we wouldn't let each other come home as a burden to our loved ones. That is part of the life he chose and he earned the right to see it through. It seems the VA may be at fault here because I would assume that falls under medical and is hippa protected. I must be wrong.
 Quoting: Whiskey Tango Foxtrot


you, sir, are no 'ranger buddy' of anyone thinking the way you do.

I weep for those under your command, if you ever had any.

you are wrong indeed.
JessKira Kadwalladyr  (OP)

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Re: Veteran beat up by cops after calling VA suicide hotline for help
they either put you on hold..or beat you up and drug you.
that is the 'help'. that is the best 'professional' help the Veterans Administration has to offer.

'take yer meds'. It nearly killed him.

less than fifty.

His family called the VA crisis hotline and asked for a crisis team to come to their home, but instead they got the cops, even though they specifically asked to leave them out of it.

The police told Kyle he was being detained after he tried to have his dog attack them and slammed the door in their face.

According to the complaint, Cardenas initially struggled with the officers before retreating to his room. It went on to say: “The police charged into this bedroom … and attempted to restrain Kyle again. During the melee, the officers Tased Kyle at least seven times, sprayed OC spray directly into Kyle’s face, struck Kyle multiple times with their batons, punched Kyle in the face with closed fists, kicked and kneed Kyle in the thighs and legs, and ordered one of the K-9 unit dogs to attack and bite Kyle.”

The fight triggered an episode, apparently, and Kyle was rushed to the hospital.

There, he was reportedly given an anti-psychotic drug commonly used to sedate ‘agitated patients.’ At one point he stopped breathing and turned blue. Cardenas was revived and put into a medically induced coma for four days, local media reported.


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 Quoting: JessKira Kadwalladyr


I would love to get in a closed room with any cocksucking motherfucker who would say HE is having a 'pity party' and needs to learn to look within and love himself or any of that other godamn horseshit that means NOTHING WHEN YOU ARE IN PAIN AND NEED SUPPORT.

I would do everything in my power to dish out some pain, howver I could.

BECAUSE NO ONE DESERVES THAT SHIT EVER.

to be fucked with and put upon by men acting like a pack of wild dogs piling on a hurting and soul wounded human being.

but it happens all the time.

all the fucking time. People see a weakness and start drooling and go with jackbooted thug brutality in for the kill.

hell, sometimes it doesn't even take blows..sometimes it can be just being convinced by evil fucks that for whatever reason, you 'deserve' to die.

24 vets a day.

and it would be so much less if people just took the time to listen and give a shit. But what people seem to care about most is being right and high and mighty more than helping anyone.

and another vet just committed suicide. don't know the name..but it just happened.

please don't blame him or her.
some people get tired of waiting and take matters into their own hands. ESPECIALLY IF PERSUADED TO DO SO BY AN EVIL SYSTEM.

in every way possible.

I tell you one thing I WILL NEVER DO.

I WILL NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER BLAME A SUICIDAL PERSON FOR BEING SUICIDAL EVER.

or make them feel worse if I know they are.
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I received a message from you OP, but I don't recall posting here. How did you find me and what can I do? I can't send messages and was surprised I could receive them.
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I've replied in one of your recent threads...
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It's not about the cop, it's about the VA who called the cops on him for being sick and needing help. The police aren't trained to deal with that situation and should never have been called to begin with.
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I've replied in one of your recent threads...
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I can no longer post or log in. I have I gues been banned for being depressed and talking about it.

Everyting goes here on glp. except a real living breathing veteran who wants someone to talk to right now right here.

got it.
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I received a message from you OP, but I don't recall posting here. How did you find me and what can I do? I can't send messages and was surprised I could receive them.
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I have reachd out for help so much I was banned. That is what happened.
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Re: Veteran beat up by cops after calling VA suicide hotline for help
if you are a suicidal veteran and reading this..
know that I hope and pray you get the help I never do.

and more kindness from souls here than brutality.

I don't deserve their kindness because I am too damaged to be given it I guess.

I have begged forgiveness until blue in the face.

but don't get it from anyone.

and am sick of trying.
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Re: Veteran beat up by cops after calling VA suicide hotline for help
I hope ANY other veteran gets treated better than me.

no one deserves this. I DON'T EITHER.

but at lesat it's me being tortured by it instead of someone else who doesn't deserve it I guess.

maybe being put on hold is better..then I can tell myself it's not personal.

this pain is as personal as it gets.

because it's ME PERSONALLY CALLING OUT FOR HELP AND GETTING REJECTED.
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too many veterans are murdered. it just goes by the name of suicide.

too many veterans have 'friends' that really don't give a flying fuck how suicidal they are..if they don't want to hear it..another veteran dies.

another statistic.
 Quoting: JessKira Kadwalladyr


not just veterans
 Quoting: Fry The Brain


I agree with you both.

Life experience has conclusively shown me that suicide never happens in a vacuum.

Suicide is always a product of a murderous, callous society.
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Re: Veteran beat up by cops after calling VA suicide hotline for help
I hope ANY other veteran gets treated better than me.

no one deserves this. I DON'T EITHER.

but at lesat it's me being tortured by it instead of someone else who doesn't deserve it I guess.

maybe being put on hold is better..then I can tell myself it's not personal.

this pain is as personal as it gets.

because it's ME PERSONALLY CALLING OUT FOR HELP AND GETTING REJECTED.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61094829


May God and the universe bless you sir.

Please try and hang on to the reality that none of this treatment is personally directed at you. It really isn't. It certainly feels like it, but it isn't.

This is what happens to just about everyone who suffers traumatic stress injuries.

Please remember that you are most definitely not alone. It definitely feels like it in the moment. But you are not alone not ever. There are millions of people who suffer in exactly the same way, through exactly the same dynamics...
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Re: Veteran beat up by cops after calling VA suicide hotline for help
too many veterans are murdered. it just goes by the name of suicide.

too many veterans have 'friends' that really don't give a flying fuck how suicidal they are..if they don't want to hear it..another veteran dies.

another statistic.
 Quoting: JessKira Kadwalladyr


not just veterans
 Quoting: Fry The Brain


I agree with you both.

Life experience has conclusively shown me that suicide never happens in a vacuum.

Suicide is always a product of a murderous, callous society.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52195379


yeah.

and when people can see your face and know who you are.

and still laugh at you and don't care i fyou are in pain and want you to go away?

it hurts even more.





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