Breaking! 7 family members killed inside Ohio home, shooter still active – report

I also find Bobby very believable - however the press maybe under instruction not to print certain information she has - for example - we do not know to what extent the men were beaten as Bobby stated in the 911 or what led her to say that - aside from the obvious blood - or was it only because of the blood.


We don't know if there was pooled blood where the bodies were found - of Chris and Gary - so we don't know how soon after being shot they may have been moved - was it quickly because they heard someone else there - possibly Chris escaping?

What gets me is why Gary and Chris didn't have guns on them and the reason i say that is because of Dana's fb post - Lord protect us tonight of all nights - something like that; this implies that a problem was coming from some known entity.

shut up with this gender bs all moms are perfect my ass.

I may be wrong with the millionaire postcode thing not sure - but all i can see there is what is maybe a sewage or waste water management place - a very small one.
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Whatever it is, wonder if that's where they got rid of the weapons?

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she went into what 2 crime scenes is the problem here she could of waited 5 to 15 minnuts for the police to show.

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Whatever it is, wonder if that's where they got rid of the weapons?




There are so many potential motives - i think to find which one is the reason - what is needed is the facts of the crimes - which we do not have.


Is it right that there are now 2 Gilley babies in protective custody?

Charlie Gilley was the father of Hannah Rhoden's baby girl Kylie and Hannah Gilley had her own 6 month old with her.


There don't appear to be strong connections between these families. Not that there need be.

If it s family you go in - someone might be alive or in need; you go in - you take the children. To be honest, even though i know it's wrong - I wouldn't be able to leave family face down dead like that either - i would probably mess up or break down trying not to. I would turn the bodies over; I don't even want to talk about it - or imagine any more. Poor brave Bobby and no one close left for her to console her.



I feel James left when he heard the baby cry at Dana's cos the baby crying meant the adults were dead - and that therefore his own life also was potentially in danger - moreso than the baby's life - no matter how unethical that might make him appear.

The terror is unimaginable - the Manley's home was passed by between these events.

Did she walk thru the house after the murders when she said she did or did she go in for another reason previous to when she said she did. You're correct, she would have been brave to the point of stupid if she did it the first time she came upon the scene, but if she already had seen the place, then it makes sense she just went right in the second time. Or maybe someone told her what to expect so she went right in.

Clearly she should have been thinking about crime scene contamination and not the fact a 3 year old was wandering around (shame on him for walking all over the crime scene!) and a baby was sitting in a pool of his own parents' blood. Silly old Bobby Jo making unwise decisions like that.


Moran.

Interesting indeed! Even more interesting is Brandon Rhoden posted this on his FB.

Exactly. How could she know upon opening a door to a scene in her words of blood all over the place that someone was not there still?
Unless she knew there wasn't.
Unless she wanted to give an excuse for why her shoe prints would be found there in the blood.
And why would she try to give the 911 operater a cause of death? To say they were "beat the hell out of". Did she think she was being clever to pretend she had no idea they'd been shot? Open windows a ruse? To make it seem like this was done by an outsider/stranger who gained access this way versus using the key and door?

I am not convinced that BJM is a completely innocent party.
Did she personally kill anyone? Did she facilitate someone else? It seemed very odd for her to reveal today that she arrived with two other people.
That was unexpected.

Clearly, there are many inconsistencies to her stories.
I see no reason to take her version of this account as pure Gospel.
In fact, it seemed a high-handed and manipulative interview she gave.
And not particularly helpful to her cause when she throws in not knowing if she'll see them all in heaven or hell!

Did she not have an attorney to advise her against such an interview at this juncture? Was she paid for it?
Who instigated it, the media or her?
I'd be curious to know.

Oh my! I've been keeping up with this thread as much as I can (and thank you for everything you've put into it, btw) but I hadn't seen that bit. That makes me feel more strongly that it was a personal thing, by someone they knew well.

The truth of this lies in the order of death; who was killed first - which house was entered first. Only the police know that.


I believe Chris survived until maybe last - young Chris. I believe he didn't call police because of the marijuana on the properties - as he is young - and also he was in danger - on the run - but in his vehicle - which was being sought by the killer perhaps.

I don't think this was drug cartel or LE.

Whoever organises this stuff from on high has their own purpose and how they use and manipulate a killer is another.

I don't think all the deaths were necessarily the original plan.


I feel this is possibly the work of an angry young man - with possible accomplice or accomplices.

This angry young man went to house to house chasing Chris.

Bobby was surprised Chris senior's door was not open; if Chris ran in there - then he could have been chased in there - the men shot - the door locked - Chris escapes.

Hannah Gilley's foetal position could have been sleeping or fear - cowering - certainly for Frankie to have received a blow he was awake - they may have been told to get into bed if they were not already.

An angry young man might leave through windows - maybe he had a trail bike.

Someone known to the family could knock and say - is Chris there? Bang - Kenneth gets it - the strewn money could have been Kenneth's own money - and something seen on a film or heard of by someone psyching themselves to kill.

Possibly an angry young man who has been dumped - intervened in love - where there has been an interloper perhaps - and as such then maybe Hannah Gilley was viewed by them also in that light.




When this broke people thought it was young Chris on Left Fork; the story would have spread from Bobby that young Chris was not in his mother's trailer - so the rumour spread it must be young Chris on left Fork.

We do not know where young Chris was found in fact.


The whole thing can only be calculated by times of deaths as to how someone plotting certain things at home in their bedroom perhaps had already considered cameras mobile phones etc - and how they had the time to remove these things.


Although it may seem like a group assaulted all the homes almost simultaneously - this is not necessarily the case; they are very close and in the night people don't call each other or visit - so there is time without immediate cause for alarm.



If this started at Dana's and Chris ran to his dad's - the men get shot Chris gets out the window - the killer goes to Frankie's - is Chris here - no - kills them as they have seen him - goes to Left Fork to see if Chris is there - kills Kenneth. Goes back to clear up cameras etc at Chris seniors'.


People were in jail the next night for break-ins tools of break-ins - but they could have said they just found them and actually been clean of blood - if the accomplice did not go inside with the killer - maybe...


This person would have had to go clean up get changed before going home and acting like they were home all night.

Any apparent upset would appear normal - to anyone in town that was upset in fact.


Maybe even a father and son.


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Yes we do becouse I believe anyone who is stupid enough to walk around a crime scene should be arrested on conspiracy and obstruction of justice charges.

Yes. It wasn't those exact words - but the words are somewhere on this thread.

I am not sure how long Hannah Rhoden had been home from hospital, but if there was planning and calculation involved then was this the pivotal deciding factor from which all other events followed?

Had there been threats over the baby???

Is that why Jake came home?



In Wonderland - "stolen cars" refer to people stolen from relationships - like for example - crashed cars refers to an illicit liaison; so technically Charlie Gilley had Hannah stolen away from him and Frankie was stolen by Hannah Gilley.




That is with regards to media messaging and Wonderland parallels.

Too much room for error in this scenario. With so few details, it really implies the perps had prior knowledge of each crime scene. They went through a lot of measures to cover their tracks. I'd be questioning Brandon about the grow operation going on.. He would know if they had dealers working for them. Need to look there.

Your bolded words are what keeps rolling around my head. It almost seems like the perpetrators waited until Hannah was back so they could take out the whole family of Chris Sr & Dana. I think her murder bothers me the most, because she was feeding her baby (or at least sleeping with the baby). Truly a nauseating thought.

I think that Charlie Gilley's mother is Andrea Shoemaker Carver... and she re-married in 2012 to a man called Harry - think they had another child - so then that would make him an interloper perhaps in the eyes of a young man - and the young man's dad also perhaps.


Charlie has the baby's ultrasound for his main cover pic and pics of him and Hannah Rhoden from when they were together.


On May the second Andrea says:


Andrea Shoemaker-Carver We was celebrating Hannah's life..
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which of course - you would - but i can't help feel there must have been anger and resentment prior to the events owing to the situation with Charlie ousted as it were.

Hannah Rhoden was stolen away by Cory Holdren.



Also - someone on here said that Charlie's dad is a crime scene clean-up guy; I don't know if that is true or not or if someone was just saying it.


I am not laying blame - or accusing - just seeing if alternate scenarios fit what we know.

Ah - I see - that would refer to her daughter and Charlie's sister Hannah.


You would think that being as Charlie still has the baby's ultrasound as his cover and pics of Hannah Rhoden on his fb that the sentiment might have included both Hannahs.

Maybe Hannah Rhoden - was best forgotten to them - in their perception of things and indeed the resentment remains even after death.


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But I shouldn't go supposing.

I'm bugged by some other words earlier in this thread....

The fb post by DR to her other sister that lives close by (Weisel). After posting status about getting home late from work, she posted to her sis asking "what's your car doing over there at this hour?", or to that effect. Possibly the car was at one of the crime scenes, but I haven't gone back in this thread. The time of that post was also given.

If the facts of this case ever come out, we may see the importance of this.

I thought it was said C. Holdren was the crime scene cleaner?

The silver Tiberon was not driven away, it was sitting at the concrete sidewalk with a jack under the passenger front. Visible in one of the aerial pics with the jack handle sticking out.

I find it troubling for other reasons.
It almost seems like a hoaky B movie line.
Who would take to facebook to air their real concerns about safety. I've read other stuff on fb also that made me just shake my head in disbelief. It's like leaving a breadcrumb
script so that people believe or behave in a certain way when investigating this.
That's not the right way to say it. Then they are removing the all the trailers off the properties.
So they are what?, dismantling the sets?

That's how this comes off almost.
No one can ever say or know for sure what, if anything, really happened there.
I just get odd misgivings about the whole thing.

There's an offnote of none of this being what it is portrayed as being, if that makes sense.

The Weisel woman is a sister-in-law as in Chris and Kenneth's sister.

Very interesting aside of another very suspiciously placed "clue" in this case.

Yes it is interesting.
Especially in light of Doug, (Kenneth's brother?), posting the Kentucky version of this same legislation being passed or up for consideration.

I do feel that this is what is at the heart of the whole case.
Preps for the Drug War ending and the Profiteering beginning.
And who is being aligned to sit in what catbird seat and where.

Sorry yeah it was Corey's dad or person named Holdren is the crime scene clean up dude.

OK so Gilley no longer has that person on his friends - unless i am confused - and it was a friend of Gilley's... but the person not only has Randy on their friends but also Missy Bevers.


The suggestion would be - a Home Front citizen's morality type police force.

I have followed this from day one. Researched everything I can. I love a good mystery.. Here's what I believe...


I believe Dana, and the two teenagers, one with a 4 day old we're the first house hit.. Killer went there looking for one particular Roden. He was not there, but hated this family so bad, he killed the three there.. The killer then went down the road to Dana's e-husbands trailer, and also there was the cousin.. Whoever killer was looking for, not there.. He kills those two guys once again, because of the rage of hate that's been boiling in him for this famimly..

Killer then goes to ex-husbannds sons trailer where him, his fiance, and 2 kids live...Once again looking for one particular Rosen..Nope, he was not there. So he kills the guy, and his fiance, but leaves the children alive.. This is where he may have gotten the info to where is main target was..

So, about 30 miles away he finds his man..Kenneth Rosen..This was the main target I believe.. The money thrower on his body is the clue.. I also believe Kenneth was the one with 9 holes in him..Don't know for sure, but I bet he is..

Now follow me here.. I believe it is only One killer. I believe killer knew this family, and these particular Rodens well..Their habits, their manors, and that they may not think much about seeing this killer coming over so late in the night, especially just asking where Kenneth was..

I believe the killer is not connected to a drug cartel. I believe the killer was Not a Rosen.. However, the killer may be a cousin, family friend (longtime friend).. Or, someone from a long time ago had a falling out with them, but had since made up with them, but carried deep resentment from it, and planned this for a year or more.

Not cops, not connected to the weed, that I believe they had just recently started growing..

My Notes::.
When they announce an arrest,it will be someone like I described..Its possible a Gilley, or a Stone will be the name..On the 911 tape, the way Stone describes Kenneth.. Quote " uh yes, he has a gunhot wound"..Come on, 99% of us would have said " It looks like he's been shot"..For a little one redneck, country boy to use such a correct, technical term, strikes me has odd..Also on the call he said " all this stuff on the news"..Umm hello, Stuff.. ??..
THAT stuff is your family murdered?..Very odd..Very..

Well anyways that's my thoughts, my 2 cents..Hard case, especially with no for sure info, or autopsy reports..But geeshh I love a good mystery..If you have anything to correct me on, or add, or agree, or do not, please don't hold back.. Reply..

So instead of calling 411 or going to spokeo to find the mark's address, the killer just kills everyone who isn't the mark? That is called a shooting spree, and those seem much different.

BJM's latest interview confuses me.

In the original 911 call you can hear at least one child in the background, and her telling someone 'back in there' or something similar.

In the last interview, she clearly states that AFTER calling 911, she went over to F&H trailer...where she made her discoveries, then retrieves the children.

There have been a number of interviews which contradict each other from a number of first-hand parties, especially DS recently adding that L, who is said to be the L who is KR's son, was with him when KR was found. That was the first time he was brought into this.

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One more thing. I have been following the various topix threads throughout, which consistently speculated that BJM's refusal to speak to the press seemed suspicious.

Considering that there was one poster who began 'stalking' her relentlessly from afar, going so far as to create many new threads titled with her full name, besides posting on FB pages of both deceased and family members, I can see why she came out of the shadows in an attempt to clear her name.

But now we hear that she had a male friend and his wife with her, unnamed, and she never mentions her father being there, just her brother J, which contradicts her dad's statements.

And, she says she's not sure if this male party went into one of the scenes. Who were the people with her?

Maybe it's all just trauma-related on everyone's part, but the more we hear, the less clear the picture becomes.

Like the reports that C Jr was missing, then found as the eight victim "at the intersection of Left Fork & OH 772". It was also reported that 'the 16 year-old was found near Jackson'...wherever that is, or, means.

Speculation/chatter immediately after was maybe he had been invovled, then was shot by the very people he was with. The entire reporting may very well have been in err, leading to such speculation, but no retraction and corrections were ever made to those reports.

We've not heard anything specific about what was discovered in DR's trailer...unlike the other three scenes. It seems logical for the Sheriff's office at least issued a statement that is clear enough to put an end to some of the speculations, but I suppose the mysteries yet uncovered warrants them delaying any disclosure.

Hopefully all of these discrepancies will help piece together this terrible event, and bring some degree of closure to remaining family members and the community...but, I fear that finding and naming the guilty parties may make things worse for everyone.

The moving of those crime scenes is really intriguing, though.