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Hippies WHY LIBERALS ARE FASCISTS?

 
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WHY LIBERALS ARE FASCISTS
Written by Dr. Jack Wheeler
Thursday, 31 August 2006

Doesn't it seem odd that the kids who started the 60s anti-establishment protest riots on college campuses with the Free Speech Movement (Berkeley, 1964) are the college professors or politicians today who most vehemently suppress free speech among their students or constituents in the name of political correctness?

How can this be? How can worshipping at the shrines of Diversity, Tolerance, and Multiculturalism result in trials and expulsions for students, or jail for citizens, who express ideas with which the worshippers are not in agreement?

The answer is the intimate connection between Subjectivism and Fascism.

The core metaphysical assertion of liberals is that there are no absolute truths, factually or morally. What's true for you may not be true for me, it's all a matter of perspective, who are you to say what is right or wrong, true or false.

Truth is a matter of subjective opinion, it is relative to the values of different people. This belief, which lies at the very center of the liberal view of the world, is known as Subjectivism or Relativism.

It's opposite, Objectivism, the assertion that there are in fact absolute truths, both moral and factual about the nature of reality regardless of anyone's opinion or desires, horrifies liberals. They think such an assertion leads straight to tyranny and fascism.

Benito Mussolini (1883-1945), the founder of Fascism as a political movement (after the Latin fasces, the bundle of rods used by Rome to symbolize strength through unity) vehemently disagreed.

In his 1921 essay Diuturna (The Lasting, that which endures), Mussolini made it clear that moral relativism was his rationale for Fascism:

If relativism signifies contempt for fixed categories and those who claim to be the bearers of objective immortal truth, then there is nothing more relativistic than Fascist attitudes and activity. From the fact that all ideologies are of equal value, we Fascists conclude that we have the right to create our own ideology and to enforce it with all the energy of which we are capable.

Liberals follow Mussolini's conclusion to the letter. Preaching tolerance, they have no tolerance for anyone's opinions but their own. Anyone they disagree with they call �racist' or �sexist' or �homophobic' or some other denigration.

Liberal intolerance, of course, goes way beyond mere disagreement and name-calling. They want to criminalize the beliefs and actions of those with whom they disagree.

They succeeded this week in California. On Tuesday (August 29), Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger signed a law (SB 1441 sponsored by a lesbian actress turned state senator, Sheila Kuehl) specifically requiring "any program or activity that...receives any financial assistance from the state" to support transsexuality, bisexuality, and homosexuality or lose state funding.

The Democrat-run California Legislature is passing an entire raft of such fascist laws. Assembly Speaker Fabian Nu�ez made it bluntly clear: "Our purpose is to outlaw traditional perspectives on marriage and family in the state school system."

He and his fellow Democrats have the Orwellian nerve to call their legislative fascism "tolerance education."

Liberal "tolerance" is forcing people at the point of a gun to believe and act as liberals demand. You don't get more fascist than that.

California's Attorney General, Bill Lockyer, is, however, trying. He is actually trying to criminalize disagreement on "global warming."

In his lawsuit against such prominent scientists as MIT Professor of Meteorology Richard Lindzen and Harvard astrophysicist Sallie Baliunas, Lockyer accuses them of being "climate skeptics," who are playing "a major role in spreading disinformation about global warming."

Until recently, Lockyer was positioning himself to run for California governor, challenging Schwarzenegger. They could have had a debate as to which one is more fascist than the other. (No one should be shocked by Schwarzenegger, by the way. He married a Kennedy!)

The only way to combat liberal lunacy like that on exhibit in California is to attack it at its source: liberal subjectivism leading directly to fascism.

It will do no good for liberals to bleat about religious absolutists, be they Christian or Moslem, who believe they have a right to force people into behaving as they want because that's what the Bible or the Koran says.

That's a red herring. Don't let liberals switch the issue. The issue here is the fundamental contradiction in their world-view, not anyone else's. Liberals cannot argue for relativism in morality and claim there are no moral truths, then claim their moral values magically have more validity than anyone else's.

When you argue there are no objective moral truths, the only way to settle a moral disagreement is at the point of a gun. Mussolini understood this, and he had the intellectual honesty to admit it.

Liberals understand it too, but they don't want to admit it, least of all to themselves. It still makes them fascists, nonetheless.

Demonstrating how and why liberals are fascists is their Achilles' Heel. Name-calling is a liberal specialty, and they are fond of calling their opponents "fascists." But using reason and logic to expose how they are demonstrably in fact fascists can be effective.

Combat liberalism by publicly exposing it as fascism. California would be a good place to start.
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so true.

fascists on either end suck catdance
Liberalism is a mental disorder.
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Delusional.
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"Doesn't it seem odd that the kids who started the 60s anti-establishment protest riots on college campuses with the Free Speech Movement (Berkeley, 1964) are the college professors or politicians today who most vehemently suppress free speech among their students or constituents in the name of political correctness?"

Or would seem odd if it were the case. The article does not show any evidence of this.
And the parallel with Mussolini is ironic. Was he a young hippie too?
Global Warming is probably going to have the effect of a World War on our world. So having Rush Limbaugh mislead people against the scientific community has had the effect of helping us lose a war. It is a very special case.
And even so, I do not support criminializing dissent about it. I can almost see why they want to do it, though.
Limbaugh and his friends were just lying anyway.
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12/13/2006 11:30 AM
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Funny...I was under the impression that the conservatives were the ones who signed the Patriot Act, attacked Iraq for reasons that are beyond the comprehension of my puny brain, continue to refuse to ratify the Kyoto protocol and stop global warming, cordon protesters off into free speech zones, blend church and state, manipulate the media, grab suspects without a warrant and torture them until they talk and generally make fascist a-holes of themselves...

My brain must be so small for me to have ever thought that, especially when Clinton did far, far worse things like get blowjobs from his secretary and smoke pot.
Rarrgh!
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And as for your argument, why yes, us liberals are totally fascist about equality for the whole country. You see, there was once this document that said "all men are created equal..." Have you heard of it? Why we're so fascist we want to educate everybody about tolerance and alternate points of view so everybody will shut the fuck up about how their way is the only way. The nerve of those liberals!

In fact, if you had asked Adolf Hitler, I bet you wouldn't have gotten a speech on tolerance for others. I bet you would have been told that the Nazis had the best of all possible ways, and there was no room for argument...wait! Would that make him...not a liberal? Hmmm....no! Its just liberal mind control! There is nothing wrong with my belief that conservatism is best! All people should think like me!

Seriously, your position is indefensible. The Muslim extremists do this too. They think their values system is so superior that it justifies flying a few planes into buildings in order to scare us all into conforming to their ideas.

You ARE allowed to continue to think that your way is best. It would be rather hypocritical of me to say that one must think like me after I just finished bashing you. However, if you put yourself out there you should be prepared to be exposed to modes of thought that are not your own and to have your views critically examined as you just criticized mine in the original post.
Rarrgh!
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12/13/2006 11:54 AM
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Given the opportunity, the oppressed will become the oppressors...
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12/13/2006 11:56 AM
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Don't get lost in Liberal and Conservative Debates,

The Big Picture is we are all getting played into
polarizing are own special viewpoints into attacking
each other over Bush did this and Clinton did that.

while...we are losing are rights and quality of life
not due to Republicans or Democrats but those forces
behind the media's daily propaganda TV/News reports.

Global Elite World Control Mother Fuckers...
involved in groups such as the Bilderbergers, Council on
Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission members and the
secret societies that contain Republicans and Democrats.

We piss off and fight each other because we have been
played off against each because of our disposition to
adopt belief systems sponsored by this secret society
global groups to entrap us in conflict and fragmentation
of society.

militia
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Nonsense. The original fascists were explicitly and
even violently anti-liberal; it was an important part
of their creed. See:
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Important background is here:

[link to www.spiritone.com]

What Fascism Is & Isn't

No other word causes so much misunderstanding, confusion, and heated debate in politics than fascism. The term has been applied to many individuals such as McCarthy, Hoover, and others. It is frequently used to describe government policies and government themselves, often incorrectly. What then is fascism exactly? Webster's Dictionary defines it as: "A government system marked by a centralized dictatorship, stringent socioeconomic controls and belligerent nationalism." But the author takes exception with that definition. At best, the definition is vague and abstract. Nor does the definition seem capable of taking into all forms of fascism.

There is a resurgent, widespread attempt by the far right to label fascism as a form of socialism. Fredrick von Hayek was the first to attempt labeling the Nazis as socialists in his book The Road to Serfdom published in 1944.70 The hard right quickly adopted it, as it allowed the hard right to escape the charges that they had much in common with the Nazis.2 Such endeavors are not only silly, but dishonest as well and represent an attempt by the far right to distance themselves for their earlier support of Hitler.

Hayek's book is based on two erroneous assumptions from the very beginning. He first assumes that fascism and communism are one and the same, as they are both totalitarian systems. This makes about as much sense as calling a maple tree a pine tree because both are trees. His second erroneous assumption lays in his belief that only socialism or liberalism leads to totalitarian systems. In fact, all political systems can lead to totalitarian systems and all political systems are inherently unstable, as is any system created by man.

From there, Hayek takes severe liberties with history. For instance, he goes on to claim that by deliberate policy the United States by allowed the growth of cartels and syndicates after 1878.71 Indeed this date and time period is significant, but not for a move towards socialism or liberalism. Rather, it's the opposite a move towards fascism and corporate rule. Even a reader with a rudimentary knowledge of American history would recognize this time frame as the beginning of the robber baron era and laissez faire economics, precisely the type of economic policy Hayek holds in utmost esteem.

Hayek offers little proof to support his conclusions; in fact the book is devoid of any proof or even examples to support his findings. The book degenerates into an argument based upon unsubstantiated assertion. He argues against the nation state and proposes a supernational authority or world federation made up of the financial elite. In essence, Hayek proposes a world made up of sovereign corporations accountable to no one. Not only did Hayek take severe liberties with American history, he ignored the very nature of fascism in Germany and Italy.

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Liberalism is a left of centre phenomenon while fascism is far right of centre. POlitically they can never meet.





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