Documentary - Requiem for the American Dream (Noam Chomsky) | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 67252060 United States 05/14/2016 10:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The American dream is a fallacy, a work of fiction, something very few will ever have out of pure luck or maybe a little hard work. Quoting: Phoenix² It's false, it's fake, it's bullshit your masters tell you so you will sleep better at night and keep you a slave for them, for they, so they can eat lobster and fish eggs every night. It's not real, the American dream is died, it died a long time ago. Someone did the math and came up with $160,000 per year wage as the magic number that would get you to the bottom rung of of the ladder to the "American Dream" we were taught was attainable for everyone. |
AbsolveUsAll User ID: 8744722 United States 05/14/2016 11:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72070153 democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy he uses all the BS words used by NWO mouth pieces Did you even watch the damn documentary or are you just espouting the same rhetoric as all the other clones; "democracy!", "commie!", "liberal!", "shill!"? He's explaining how the "masters of mankind"; the progenerators of our modern society, operate under the false guise of democracy. He further breaks down and details down how the U.S. has not even been a democracy since the inception of the Constitution. And how is he a communist here - he's not even denouncing Capitalism; he is showing evidence of how the U.S. is not operating as a true capitalistic system, but rather a privatized corporation. But I guess since he's not pro-capitalist, he MUST be a commie! Great logic.. I'm afraid some of you likely use the same logic in regards to religion as well. Anyone not a god-fearing christian, MUST be *gasp* of SATAN. I'm fairly certain that at this point, most of you don't even read/research or watch any source material. It's easier just to spout your makeshift belief foundation, which you've formed a result to the reaction of those trigger words! "libs, commie, hippie, marxist, leftie, etc". There's more to the world than LEFT vs. RIGHT and two-party political paradigms.. sheesh. You can find all you need The message is in the silence Whisper words to calm your mind Reach inside |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 67252060 United States 05/14/2016 11:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72070153 democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy he uses all the BS words used by NWO mouth pieces Did you even watch the damn documentary or are you just espouting the same rhetoric as all the other clones; "democracy!", "commie!", "liberal!", "shill!"? He's explaining how the "masters of mankind"; the progenerators of our modern society, operate under the false guise of democracy. He further breaks down and details down how the U.S. has not even been a democracy since the inception of the Constitution. And how is he a communist here - he's not even denouncing Capitalism; he is showing evidence of how the U.S. is not operating as a true capitalistic system, but rather a privatized corporation. But I guess since he's not pro-capitalist, he MUST be a commie! Great logic.. I'm afraid some of you likely use the same logic in regards to religion as well. Anyone not a god-fearing christian, MUST be *gasp* of SATAN. I'm fairly certain that at this point, most of you don't even read/research or watch any source material. It's easier just to spout your makeshift belief foundation, which you've formed a result to the reaction of those trigger words! "libs, commie, hippie, marxist, leftie, etc". There's more to the world than LEFT vs. RIGHT and two-party political paradigms.. sheesh. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 72070153 United States 05/14/2016 11:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72070153 democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy he uses all the BS words used by NWO mouth pieces Did you even watch the damn documentary or are you just espouting the same rhetoric as all the other clones; "democracy!", "commie!", "liberal!", "shill!"? He's explaining how the "masters of mankind"; the progenerators of our modern society, operate under the false guise of democracy. He further breaks down and details down how the U.S. has not even been a democracy since the inception of the Constitution. And how is he a communist here - he's not even denouncing Capitalism; he is showing evidence of how the U.S. is not operating as a true capitalistic system, but rather a privatized corporation. But I guess since he's not pro-capitalist, he MUST be a commie! Great logic.. I'm afraid some of you likely use the same logic in regards to religion as well. Anyone not a god-fearing christian, MUST be *gasp* of SATAN. I'm fairly certain that at this point, most of you don't even read/research or watch any source material. It's easier just to spout your makeshift belief foundation, which you've formed a result to the reaction of those trigger words! "libs, commie, hippie, marxist, leftie, etc". There's more to the world than LEFT vs. RIGHT and two-party political paradigms.. sheesh. duh. we all know that shit already. he got no solution fool. and he tells only 1/2 the story. I never said he was a commie, I said he was a NWO shill. and i'll debate you anytime on any point. step up punk. I'll wipe the floor with you. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 72159965 United States 05/14/2016 12:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72070153 democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy he uses all the BS words used by NWO mouth pieces Did you even watch the damn documentary or are you just espouting the same rhetoric as all the other clones; "democracy!", "commie!", "liberal!", "shill!"? He's explaining how the "masters of mankind"; the progenerators of our modern society, operate under the false guise of democracy. He further breaks down and details down how the U.S. has not even been a democracy since the inception of the Constitution. And how is he a communist here - he's not even denouncing Capitalism; he is showing evidence of how the U.S. is not operating as a true capitalistic system, but rather a privatized corporation. But I guess since he's not pro-capitalist, he MUST be a commie! Great logic.. I'm afraid some of you likely use the same logic in regards to religion as well. Anyone not a god-fearing christian, MUST be *gasp* of SATAN. I'm fairly certain that at this point, most of you don't even read/research or watch any source material. It's easier just to spout your makeshift belief foundation, which you've formed a result to the reaction of those trigger words! "libs, commie, hippie, marxist, leftie, etc". There's more to the world than LEFT vs. RIGHT and two-party political paradigms.. sheesh. GLP attracts idiots and you cannot reason with idiots and tards. I appreciate your attempt though, it is spot on. |
Aeonpi User ID: 69391854 United States 05/14/2016 12:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Have you watched it? If he was really a communist, he would not make a documentary addresssing how bad communism is. I think someone fucked your brain up, but you can fix things, watch the video. OK, I watched the first two minutes. He says it's unjust for people to be "super-rich". "Inequality" he says. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72181797 Unpin this commie shit. YOU Must be Protecting your Commie ways.. For if you were really in the world the rest of us live in you would see with you blind eyes exactly how much damage the SUPER RICH have done and how bad that is for the rest of us due to the Crime it breeds on anyone LESS RICH. YET your little brain gets stuck on the big political words and can not risk being WRONG.. its ok we understand your just a scared little man trying to be a the BIG SHOW. :FairUSE: Walk the Line with Gentle Heart and your Mind will surely act in-kind. ~AeonPi Change your life. [link to www.pilotbeacon.me (secure)] The Potency of the Human Soul is defined first by the Laws of Creation, and second, by the awareness that these Laws assure Cosmic Stability and Spiritual Poise. ~~~ The Primus Code ~ WingMakers Sow a thought and reap and Act Sow an Act and Reap a Habit Sow a Habit and reap a Character Sow a Character and Reap a Destiny Sow your Seeds Now for the Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday and all is well. Thread: The Kings Secret... Do you know? (Page 5) A Writing Project [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
AbsolveUsAll User ID: 8744722 United States 05/14/2016 12:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | duh. we all know that shit already. he got no solution fool. and he tells only 1/2 the story. I never said he was a commie, I said he was a NWO shill. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72070153 and i'll debate you anytime on any point. step up punk. I'll wipe the floor with you. You don't have the capacity or maturity for civilized, intellectual discussion.. much less, "debate". I mean... "step up punk, I'll wipe the floor with you"(?) I mean, really!? I'm not going to return belittling threats, as you've so eloquently initiated.. I'll do you one better - I'll agree with you. I agree that he really does not present a solution to his (our) dilemma. But that's okay. All challenges come in stages and levels and at least we're at the point where we are exposing, laying out and and detailing the problem. It's called, "formulating strategy". And please let your fellow Millennials know that it's not up to Noam Chomsky or any other singular person to solve this cluster fuck. It's up to US. And judging by your attitude and candor, I'm tempted to resign our future posterity as "lost without a without a fucking clue", beyond reproach. You can find all you need The message is in the silence Whisper words to calm your mind Reach inside |
AbsolveUsAll User ID: 8744722 United States 05/14/2016 12:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72070153 democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy democracy he uses all the BS words used by NWO mouth pieces Did you even watch the damn documentary or are you just espouting the same rhetoric as all the other clones; "democracy!", "commie!", "liberal!", "shill!"? He's explaining how the "masters of mankind"; the progenerators of our modern society, operate under the false guise of democracy. He further breaks down and details down how the U.S. has not even been a democracy since the inception of the Constitution. And how is he a communist here - he's not even denouncing Capitalism; he is showing evidence of how the U.S. is not operating as a true capitalistic system, but rather a privatized corporation. But I guess since he's not pro-capitalist, he MUST be a commie! Great logic.. I'm afraid some of you likely use the same logic in regards to religion as well. Anyone not a god-fearing christian, MUST be *gasp* of SATAN. I'm fairly certain that at this point, most of you don't even read/research or watch any source material. It's easier just to spout your makeshift belief foundation, which you've formed a result to the reaction of those trigger words! "libs, commie, hippie, marxist, leftie, etc". There's more to the world than LEFT vs. RIGHT and two-party political paradigms.. sheesh. GLP attracts idiots and you cannot reason with idiots and tards. I appreciate your attempt though, it is spot on. Thanks, I appreciate the kind words and shared perspective. It's needed in these times of near utter jaded cynicism and apathy. Cheers:) You can find all you need The message is in the silence Whisper words to calm your mind Reach inside |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 67879993 United States 05/14/2016 12:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | THANK YOU THANK YOU OP!! It's posts like yours that make me still visit the cess pool that is GLP. Every once and a while someone will post a link to a great doc or book on here, but in order to find those gems you have to sift through a tsunami of hate and bullshit and stupid ignorant dipshits. GLP which is supposedly a conspiracy site and should love people like Chomsky for exposing the conspiracies of those in power, is actually a right wing msm christian american male site where right wing christian american males come to sing in their choir of hatred and intolerance for anything that isn't right wing msm christian american male. Even the mods of the site push right wing msm christian american male talking points and shit all over anyone who doesn't tow that line. All the people who call chomsky a commie or talk shit about him, have never read a page of any of his books. They most likely have never read any books to begin with. Chomsky is one of the most brilliant living thinkers and has exposed the conspiracies of those behind the american government who have done horrible things in the name of america. Which you think the users of a conspiracy site would celebrate... but instead you see all this hate towards him, which proves my point that glp is not at all a conspiracy site as it disguises itself as. |
Aeonpi User ID: 69391854 United States 05/14/2016 12:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | chomsly is one of the people who screwed up this country. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69093322 Now he's during the requiem/ Too funny. Nations only work when they are as monoculture as possible. There are already too many variables among one's own kind. We are finished. Interesting.. You say nations only work as a monoculture.... mon·o·cul·ture ˈmänəˌkəlCHər/Submit noun the cultivation of a single crop in a given area. [link to www.buzzle.com] [link to www.cam.ac.uk] Truly.. you think all those walled up communities have made nations work.. or have they securitized in order to look like they are working? How many actually KNOW their Neighbors.. or afraid to reach out, because of X? It does not work... It breeds distrust which leads to cultural memes and breakdown on a mental and emotional/psychological level. I have seen it in my 40+ years .. surely others have as well. [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] I believe it was Coke... who said .. It take but 2 to form a Nation. :FairUSE: Walk the Line with Gentle Heart and your Mind will surely act in-kind. ~AeonPi Change your life. [link to www.pilotbeacon.me (secure)] The Potency of the Human Soul is defined first by the Laws of Creation, and second, by the awareness that these Laws assure Cosmic Stability and Spiritual Poise. ~~~ The Primus Code ~ WingMakers Sow a thought and reap and Act Sow an Act and Reap a Habit Sow a Habit and reap a Character Sow a Character and Reap a Destiny Sow your Seeds Now for the Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday and all is well. Thread: The Kings Secret... Do you know? (Page 5) A Writing Project [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 67879993 United States 05/14/2016 12:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The fact that some many people on GLP hate Chomsky proves how great Chomsky is. GLP= land of the subservient lemming who proudly define themselves by bullshit ideologies like Left vs Right, capitalist vs communist. The land of those who are easily manipulated and divided and conquered because they willingly and happily do as they are told and join and subscribe to a group think mentality and refuse to listen to anything outside of the group think mentality they stupidly associate themselves with. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72070153 United States 05/14/2016 01:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The fact that some many people on GLP hate Chomsky proves how great Chomsky is. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67879993 GLP= land of the subservient lemming who proudly define themselves by bullshit ideologies like Left vs Right, capitalist vs communist. The land of those who are easily manipulated and divided and conquered because they willingly and happily do as they are told and join and subscribe to a group think mentality and refuse to listen to anything outside of the group think mentality they stupidly associate themselves with. Chomsky is a 911 truth denier. and he's your hero? get some morals and standards. I and other demand better. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72211075 United States 05/14/2016 01:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The fact that some many people on GLP hate Chomsky proves how great Chomsky is. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67879993 GLP= land of the subservient lemming who proudly define themselves by bullshit ideologies like Left vs Right, capitalist vs communist. The land of those who are easily manipulated and divided and conquered because they willingly and happily do as they are told and join and subscribe to a group think mentality and refuse to listen to anything outside of the group think mentality they stupidly associate themselves with. Chomsky is a 911 truth denier. and he's your hero? get some morals and standards. I and other demand better. I'll admit it's unfortunate his stance on 9/11 but that doesn't discredit every other conspiracy he has exposed. Morals and standards.... chomsky has exposed countless horrific acts governments have committed, he's exposed how governments control the media he most likely has to distance himself from 9/11 because if he openly admits it was an inside job, he'll quickly be labeled a kook and then the rest of his life's work will be labeled as nonsense and easily brushed aside. |
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The Comedian :D User ID: 71694676 United States 05/14/2016 03:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | YOU Must be Protecting your Commie ways.. For if you were really in the world the rest of us live in you would see with you blind eyes exactly how much damage the SUPER RICH have done and how bad that is for the rest of us due to the Crime it breeds on anyone LESS RICH. YET your little brain gets stuck on the big political words and can not risk being WRONG.. its ok we understand your just a scared little man trying to be a the BIG SHOW. Quoting: Aeonpi You: Saint Comedian, Patron Saint of Bringing the Butthurt to Dipshits ‘There are some assholes in the world that just need to be shot.’ - General Mattis, USMC, Secretary of Defense [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] "Subterfuge and social pressure are the wheel and fire of the 21st century" - Some asshole Legal Disclaimer: All comments are intended as humor and/or fiction and not advice, and not to be confused with any event or person, living or dead. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72210736 Australia 05/14/2016 03:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | THANK YOU THANK YOU OP!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67879993 It's posts like yours that make me still visit the cess pool that is GLP. Every once and a while someone will post a link to a great doc or book on here, but in order to find those gems you have to sift through a tsunami of hate and bullshit and stupid ignorant dipshits. GLP which is supposedly a conspiracy site and should love people like Chomsky for exposing the conspiracies of those in power, is actually a right wing msm christian american male site where right wing christian american males come to sing in their choir of hatred and intolerance for anything that isn't right wing msm christian american male. Even the mods of the site push right wing msm christian american male talking points and shit all over anyone who doesn't tow that line. All the people who call chomsky a commie or talk shit about him, have never read a page of any of his books. They most likely have never read any books to begin with. Chomsky is one of the most brilliant living thinkers and has exposed the conspiracies of those behind the american government who have done horrible things in the name of america. Which you think the users of a conspiracy site would celebrate... but instead you see all this hate towards him, which proves my point that glp is not at all a conspiracy site as it disguises itself as. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72070153 United States 05/14/2016 04:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The fact that some many people on GLP hate Chomsky proves how great Chomsky is. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67879993 GLP= land of the subservient lemming who proudly define themselves by bullshit ideologies like Left vs Right, capitalist vs communist. The land of those who are easily manipulated and divided and conquered because they willingly and happily do as they are told and join and subscribe to a group think mentality and refuse to listen to anything outside of the group think mentality they stupidly associate themselves with. Chomsky is a 911 truth denier. and he's your hero? get some morals and standards. I and other demand better. I'll admit it's unfortunate his stance on 9/11 but that doesn't discredit every other conspiracy he has exposed. Morals and standards.... chomsky has exposed countless horrific acts governments have committed, he's exposed how governments control the media he most likely has to distance himself from 9/11 because if he openly admits it was an inside job, he'll quickly be labeled a kook and then the rest of his life's work will be labeled as nonsense and easily brushed aside. I did not say everything he says is a lie. he is a 1/2 truther. understand? we are all being genocided. he needs to step up or shut up. he is condoning it with his words and actions. he is thus a traitor. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 69093322 United States 05/14/2016 05:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | THANK YOU THANK YOU OP!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67879993 It's posts like yours that make me still visit the cess pool that is GLP. Every once and a while someone will post a link to a great doc or book on here, but in order to find those gems you have to sift through a tsunami of hate and bullshit and stupid ignorant dipshits. GLP which is supposedly a conspiracy site and should love people like Chomsky for exposing the conspiracies of those in power, is actually a right wing msm christian american male site where right wing christian american males come to sing in their choir of hatred and intolerance for anything that isn't right wing msm christian american male. Even the mods of the site push right wing msm christian american male talking points and shit all over anyone who doesn't tow that line. All the people who call chomsky a commie or talk shit about him, have never read a page of any of his books. They most likely have never read any books to begin with. Chomsky is one of the most brilliant living thinkers and has exposed the conspiracies of those behind the american government who have done horrible things in the name of america. Which you think the users of a conspiracy site would celebrate... but instead you see all this hate towards him, which proves my point that glp is not at all a conspiracy site as it disguises itself as. Are you related to him? It's celebratory nonsense like this that wrecked ct. And you guys are the ones who wrecked it. |
The Comedian :D User ID: 44090935 United States 05/14/2016 10:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Have you watched it? If he was really a communist, he would not make a documentary addresssing how bad communism is. I think someone fucked your brain up, but you can fix things, watch the video. OK, I watched the first two minutes. He says it's unjust for people to be "super-rich". "Inequality" he says. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72181797 Unpin this commie shit. YOU Must be Protecting your Commie ways.. For if you were really in the world the rest of us live in you would see with you blind eyes exactly how much damage the SUPER RICH have done and how bad that is for the rest of us due to the Crime it breeds on anyone LESS RICH. YET your little brain gets stuck on the big political words and can not risk being WRONG.. its ok we understand your just a scared little man trying to be a the BIG SHOW. You're very stupid in a lot of areas. Have you considered starting to learn to read? Saint Comedian, Patron Saint of Bringing the Butthurt to Dipshits ‘There are some assholes in the world that just need to be shot.’ - General Mattis, USMC, Secretary of Defense [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] "Subterfuge and social pressure are the wheel and fire of the 21st century" - Some asshole Legal Disclaimer: All comments are intended as humor and/or fiction and not advice, and not to be confused with any event or person, living or dead. |
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FlashBuzzkill User ID: 68754170 United States 05/15/2016 09:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Funny how he never mentions the Clintons or the Kennedys or the Federal Reserve. How central banks have shaped our history from the beginning is key. I agree fundamentally with everything he says but he leaves out a lot - like how to stop communism and socialism while having real democracy. Gen. John B Gordon and Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest were the finest citizen-soldiers birthed in America. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69720550 United States 05/15/2016 05:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | DO YOU PEOPLE HAVE ANY FREAKING CLUE JUST HOW POWERFUL THIS NOAM CHOMSKY IS?!!! HE IS A JEWISH SATANIST, A VERY PROLIFIC AUTHOR, AN EXTREMELY INTELLIGENT MAN WHO ACTUALLY STARTED THE NEOCON MOVEMENT!!! HE IS THE HEAD NEOCON!!! HE SEEMINGLY CONTROLS THE GOVERNMENT, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY THE PENTAGON WITH HIS PINKY FINGER, AND HAS BEEN VERY INSTRUMENTAL IN GETTING THE WW3 BALL ROLLING DOWN THE ROAD. THIS MAN IS VERY DANGEROUS, AND VERY OLD TOO, AND HAS NOT BEEN DEALT WITH, HE AND ALL OF THE OTHER CRIMINAL JEWISH NEOCONS, A VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THE SECRET GOVERNMENT, AS OTHERWISE KNOWN AS THE MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX. Just a little tidbit of transparency on our Federal Government "democracy" |
Engonoceras User ID: 72199046 United States 05/19/2016 08:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In that video he just says the same old Liberal stuff you'd expect which is basically Trump is gonna blow up and poison the World. Yeah, as if the creeps in power (mostly Leftists) aren't already doing that. They also said Reagan was gonna blow up the World and instead Reagan got the Soviets to sign a treaty that actually reduced nukes. Last Edited by TexasPaleo on 05/19/2016 08:16 PM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 72504818 United States 07/25/2016 09:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In that video he just says the same old Liberal stuff you'd expect which is basically Trump is gonna blow up and poison the World. Quoting: Engonoceras Yeah, as if the creeps in power (mostly Leftists) aren't already doing that. They also said Reagan was gonna blow up the World and instead Reagan got the Soviets to sign a treaty that actually reduced nukes. Actually there is no politics to it. More about the ebb and flow of democracy and how financial forces strive to democratize the populace. He pretty much shits on both sides as they are both criminal. |